Let the shitstorm begins!!
>>774956
Yes. The bears are doing just fine, and sport hunting is millenia-old and has aesthetic and cultural value. If you don't want to rail your mistress on a bear rug in front of the fireplace, you're a gay.
>>774961
What if I have sex with my big beefy boyfriend on a regular rug and we get a little rough to where he leaves a little skin behind on the rug, does that turn it into a bear skin rug?
There is literally nothing wrong with hunting
>>774970
What are you getting at desu?
>>774963
No, that's just a little bit of manly comradeship on a regular rug.
>>774972
I think he's suggesting that objection to sustainable sport hunting is the result of overgrown and out of context social values and virtue signalling, the sort of thing Diogenes mocked in other philosophers of his day.
>>774956
them fucking grizzlies is man-killers brah. I love nature and preserving most of it when its doesn't stop mankind reasonable progress. But that is one animal that wouldn't bother me one bit if they were hunted into extinction.
Seriously. Fuck those things.
>>774956
Agree with what?
>>775174
I feel the same way about man eating sharks.
Where I live there's been so many sightings and attacks in the last couple of years. Whites and bulls are just ferocious predators.
>but muh animal rights
They sure as hell don't respect a person's right to life when they tear them apart.
>>775204
You know what to do...
I would love to go scuba diving with a speargun and hit some lionfish. I think there may even be a bounty on them here.
i agree in only two or three cases
- if the animal is a direct threat to yourself or others
- if you are going to eat the whole animal not just a cut of meat
-survival (similar to previous reason)
killing in any of these cases i have no problem with at all
>>775209
>- if the animal is a direct threat to yourself or others
well, that is going to apply to any grizzly you happen to meet in Alaska 99% of the time.
probly say the same for swimming with sharks.
dolphins are cool, protect them. sharks can go to hell with the brown bears
>>774956
Not mad at hunters but the shit eating grin this fat fuck has is ruskin me jammies
>>775226
For you
I have nothing against hunting, & have killed more than five black bears in the six years that me & me uncle having been going up to northern Ontario. But using a bear as a personal plaything for your own ego is nothing short of embarassing. Have some bloody compassion for the animals that feed you, and wipe the smug, Genesis 1:26 inspired leer off of your face.
>>775392
abbey a twat
>>775174
"Reasonable progress" is a humanist narrative that is rendering the world uninhabitable for human existence, & is the main cause of the ongoing mass extinction. Encroachment into the last remaining territories is the main cause of violent encounters with bears, which seems to be a result of all of that "reasonable progress" that civilized humsns have been building since the factories started running a few centuries ago.
>>774956
no hunters should only use a knife.
they should catch the kill with bare hands wrestle it down and expertly kill it with the knife.
anything else is faggotry.
>>775617
or you know catch and release, that is an option too.
>>774956
Nice burr
>>775204
Does that mean you support capital punishment as well?
>>775645
The two aren't comparable as a human life is worth much more than a shark's life.
If you eat meat, do you support the wholesale breeding and slaughter of people for consumption?
>>775648
You said your reasoning was that they don't respect human life, hence you need not respect theirs. Not only does that mean you're expecting a wild animal to have morals, you're expecting them to have better morals than yourself. You also did not answer my question.
Maybe if y'all weren't swimming in shark water people wouldn't get attacked, anyway.
>>775649
That wasn't my reasoning. I didn't disclose my reasoning. That was a reply to the hypothetical 'muh animal rights' bullshit you commonly hear.
My reasoning for killing (or not caring about the destruction of) specifically dangerous man eating sharks (assuming there's no other more efficient method for protecting humans) is a selfish one. I think human life is more valuable than shark life and sharks in some areas directly threaten human life. I don't expect a wild animal to have morals.
People have been using and enjoying the oceans for thousands and thousands of years. It's not literal shark water. Attacks in comparison to total usage are still very uncommon.
>>774956
He obviously didn't have a choice. Fucking bear was stealing his pack.
>>774956
agree with what?
hunting? hunting of bear? adult bear?
well, uhh, yea
>>775231
Shake that bear
>>775661
>sharks are man killers
Statistics show you are more likely to be killed by a north american pavement ape (in the USA at least). Do you wish to exterminate them as well?
>#SharkLivesMatter
>>775204
oh the "shark are very dangeous" meme... look at all the thousands of people being killed by sharks...
I love how you idiots position yourself on the same level of conciousness and intelligence as a fucking rainworm if it comes to killing things. If rainworms fuck up your garden you should definitely fuck up rainworms because if they dont respect your property then you should not repect theirs mate
>>775224
ya exactly. but i mean if its just chilling and you are a safe distance (in a boat for sharks or on the other side of a diver with bear) than ya don't need to worry.
oh and nothing worse than people who say save that sharks but they never swim in the ocean
>>775661
You value the life of non-related humans more highly than that of other animals? Why?
Global overpopulation presents a bigger risk to you and your offspring than any shark ever will.
>>775747
this is a valid point. we need to depopulate the human race as well. can we send half the population to mars or something? or just eject them into space on a one-way trip to anywhere?
>>775710
>Do you wish to exterminate NA pavement Apes
You actually feel it's necessary to ask this?
>>775174
>>775204
You two are retarded. The whole point of wild places is that we have somewhere that is the territory of things other than humans. Killing off sharks and bears is the end of those wild places, both from an ecosystem perspective and an aesthetic one.
>>775209
Seems like a pretty arbitrary line, desu. If the bear's hide is much more desirable than the meat, then why is it wrong to take the hide and leave meat so long as the harvest is sustainable and within the bounds of "fair chase"?
>>775392
>>775226
What are you two even getting at? It upsets you that someone who just had a very high-adrenaline stalk and came out of it okay is grinning? Are you actual monks?
>>774956
Yeah just don't eat bear sausage it's riddled with parasites
>>775795
>Killing off sharks and bears is the end of those wild places,
no its the end of mankillers living in those places.
the pace remains and is still wild.
just minus the most likely thing that will kill a human in those places.
you have no legitimate argument. just opinions and 'muh feels'
>>775795
>that we have somewhere that is the territory of things other than humans.
Outer space, the rest of the entire universe, so far as we know, is the territory of things other than humans.
The earth is our home. We dont need man-killers roaming free inside our own home.
>>774956
Op I see nothing wrong with this. Assuming it was all used. Bear meat isn't amazing but its pretty good when its made into jerky, pemmican, and stuff alike. I've shot bears while out on the trapline always got hate for it because there "endangered" which they aren't where I live. (black and grizzly are doing fine)
>>774979
Diogenes would mock people who hunt for sport and trophies the most.
>>775881
Protip: Diogenes mocked literally everyone. The reasons for and nature of his mockery were what was worth noting.
>>775896
He didn't mock everyone, just most of them because barely any of them lived up to his standards.
But he mocked those who cared about such vanities the most.
>>775907
T B H I think you're projecting a bit when you ascribe vanity to anyone who hunts for sport. It's not that simple for most people.
>>775974
Striving for anything beyond bare necessities is vanity to the lad Diogenes. I'm not projecting, just explaining the point of view the Cynics had.
>>775204
can we get an open season on people who text and drive?
I don't want sharks or even man eating sharks exterminated. I was exaggerating when I said I wouldn't care if they were completely exterminated (but indifference is different to actively wanting something). I don't want an indiscriminate cull or drum lines but the greeny idea which is so prevalent where I live that you're just not allowed to touch them ever is ludicrous. I'm not going to write an essay on shark activity and the best methods for protecting humans but I'll say that sometimes some particular sharks need to be killed to remove a serious threat.
>>775710
If you surf anywhere on the north coast of NSW where I live or somewhere like Reunion Island, it's statistically a whole lot more common. The shark attack statistics are also based on the likelihood of attack on a 'swimmer' aka just standing knee to chest deep and it's much higher for a surfer.
>>775747
>You value the life of non-related humans more highly than that of other animals? Why?
I could prosecute this argument in a few ways but for me personally it's about utility. Humans are more intelligent and are capable of richer experiences than other animals. We have a higher capacity to learn and create, to be introspective, etc. A human life has the potential to be deeper, more complex, better than other animals.
>Global overpopulation presents a bigger risk to you and your offspring than any shark ever will.
I was bumped and then chased out of the water by a great white not too long ago. I'd say that was a pretty direct threat.
I'd agree that overpopulation is a problem but I don't think humans being violently ripped apart by single-minded predators is the solution.
>>774970
There's always a cynic in every crowd
>>775392
>what's wrong for the rest of you is not wrong for me
>smiling while someone takes a picture makes those people less holy than me
Go fuck yourself
>>775617
>people aren't allowed to use our superior intellect and toolmaking skills
Fine-as long as the animals likewise can't use their superior size, strength, speed, senses, thicker hides, claws, fangs, poisons, or body mass to THEIR advantage then it's a deal.
What? That's not allowed?
Go fuck yourself too.
>>775747
>muh overpopulation meme
No it doesn't.
We currently have the capacity to feed 12,000,000,000 people using our current technology, farmland and farming practices. For those of you keeping score, that's almost twice the current world population. So no, we've got food to burn, and in America at least, we actually ARE burning it-in the form of the ethanol in our fuel tanks.
>>775796
But what if it's a really big bear and he's standing over you demanding you eat his sausage
>>776268
Tell him you're not a slut and he has to at least buy you a couple drinks first.
>>776162
>it's much higher for a surfe
you should never look like a turtle at sea
that helps
>>776237
>[citation needed]
>>774956
Absolutely not. Why would I like seeing an ugly drunk old man getting pleasure from shooting a being 10x more beautiful and powerful then himself. I would pay a lot of money to see this man ripped to pieces by an adult brown bear.
>>776544
But it's all Gucci if I'm young, lithe and sober. Makes sense.
>>775617
A guy did just that a few years ago. I believe it was in Maine. He was walking some little dog like a Jack Russel or Pomeranian. Black bear attacked dog on trail. Old bastard took out a pocket knife and killed the bear. That dude could do gay porn gangbangs as the catcher for the rest of his life and not get his man card talen
>>776544
funny because some people would pay a lot of money to see the opposite: adult brown bear get killed by a man.
>>776237
>Fine-as long as the animals likewise can't use their superior size, strength, speed, senses, thicker hides, claws, fangs, poisons, or body mass to THEIR advantage then it's a deal.
but anon animals are inferior to people. we hunted them long before guns and bows and faggy shit like that. at least give them a tiny little chance.
>>776537
Oops, it's only 10,000,000 people, and that number isn't disputed.
http://www.academia.edu/5617517/We_Already_Grow_Enough_Food_for_10_Billion_People_and_Still_Cant_End_Hunger_JSA_Editorial
>>777305
I see you've never been hunting.
Let me assure you, the animals have a very good chance.
Conditions are almost never like you see on the hunting shows, and there are plenty of times when the hunter doesn't emerge victorious from the encounter.
>>777305
States keep track of the success rates of hunters who get permits to hunt things like elk and brown bear. It's an objective fact that the animals have a chance.
>>777423
>>777585
i still think there shuould be more skill luck and balls of steel involved in the hunters part.
anyone who can't do it just stay home.
some people can do it and they are ok in my book can hunt all they want.
people can run down and grapple down most herbivores except for some of the largest but even there young specimens are doable.
people can catch snakes and crocodile types barehanded even some fish can be done if you are good.
sure when it's about professional hunters controlling the population guns are okay in my book if it's done in a humane and efficient way and only to the necessary extent. best would be of course if large predators would retake this role.
>>777640
biggest pros would be if people did this is hunters would not go after the best biggest and most beautiful specimens as trophies. they would go after the weak the ill the old like predators the ones that are easier to catch less risky more doable.
i think the current trophy hunter culture is just plain sick. they are proud for killing the best specimens in their prime. fuck natural selection right?
>>777640
I don't really see why this is somehow superior to using ranged weapons. The kind of hunt you're describing is a very ugly affair, and most hunters today prefer to give their quarry a rapid, even instantaneous death. We haven't relied on killing things with our hands in several millenia.
Do you get upset about spiders setting webs and ask why they don't chase their prey down like their ancient ancestors?
>>777643
>i think the current trophy hunter culture is just plain sick. they are proud for killing the best specimens in their prime. fuck natural selection right?
People have been bragging about getting the big boy since the beginning of recorded history. It's one of the things that makes humans unique, the way impressive game serves something of a function for us that it doesn't for wolves. It's a tad pretentious to say we need to hunt with the priorities of an entirely different species, especially given that trophy hunting is normally managed with an eye towards promoting breeding by the specimens with the genetics to get big. There's a reason we shoot cowhorn spikes and track the age of game taken.
>>774956
I don't care for sport hunting bears, but that's because I like bears as an animal out in the wild and don't see the utility in killing it just for a trophy or a skin,I mean OP pic makes me kind of sad but not enraged or hateful of hunting as an activity.
sport hunting deer and other herd animals is fine though, you can use nearly all the animal for something useful and there's fucking millions of them out there, same with nuisance vermin like foxes.
I think you should have the right to shoot a bear if it tries to attack you, and that any laws that punish self defense predator shooting are the height of retardation. Also I will say this, with the various bans on hunting large predators they are starting to lose the fear of humans and come fuck with people more and more often.
>>777700
Not anti-hunting here, but I don't think hunting promotes fear of humans to a significant extent. I think they get used to us where they see us a lot, and treat us with more respect where we're a less common sight and not associated with anything they want to loot.
You want to encounter brown bears on a salmon stream in the middle of nowhere, not up on the Kenai where they see fifty people a day and eat trash.
It may be a little different with pack animals, but I doubt bear get many opportunities to witness other bears getting shot.
>>777685
>We haven't relied on killing things with our hands in several millenia.
we don't really need to kill to survive things ever since tho. unless we purposefully put ourselves in a position where it's required.
>Do you get upset about spiders setting webs and ask why they don't chase their prey down like their ancient ancestors?
no of course not as i wouldn't get upset a human trapping if it's for survival. hell you can use a machine-gun for all i care if you are in a situation where you would die without the game meat.
i dislike hunting done as sport where there is no real sport in it and fat homos feeling good about themselves for sitting on their asses pulling a trigger on an animal lured to plain sight with bait.
i would love to try endurance and primitive hunting. going up against a boar with a long knife. it's sadly illegal here tho. unless you shoot from your little treestand fortress with your nightvision scoped hunting rifle all clad in camo and sprayed with scent killer it's pretty much illegal.
i imagine the success rate with my kind of hunting would be so low that most animal would get a good cardio out of it no harm done. couple of fags would get killed and we would see some manly action where a guy actually get it done.
>>777719
This really sounds like it has more to do with some stereotype you've cooked up that you want to spite than anything else.
I hunt and grew up hunting. Killing an animal is ok IF you are going to eat it, and/or you are culling the herd (deer especially get over populated around here). Sport hunting imo is kind of a dick thing but as long as the animal isn't an endangered species then its not really a problem.
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>>775392
based northern ontarians
dream comfort memory to spare
I want to do a diy archery elk hunt in Colorado is the worst way. Just get miles away from everyone, and hunt and fish for my food.
>>778813
Aren't Colorado archery license in most units pretty much over the counter? The main issue with getting that far from the roads is recovering the carcass since it takes 4 or 5 trips and it's warm in the archery season.
Do you eat bear?
There are only 3 reasons to shoot anything:
Self-defence
Food
Management culling.
That theory covers everything from global warfare to bugspray, so unless bear numbers are out of control, or are attacking, does anyone eat bearmeat?
>>778822
Yea they're over the counter. I would probably get a nice backpack to pack out the elk.
>>778834
Yea people eat bear meat. Gotta get all the fat off it and cook it good because of tricanosis. Same shit as pork
>>776237
intellect is also prevalent in combat, tools or not
>>778840
Yeah, good luck with that. Even assuming that you bone out everything you're still looking at ~150lb. of meat for a bull elk and that's not including the hide, the head or the rack. If you want to do a DIY elk hunt then do it with help or do a plains hunt that will let you drive up to your elk with your truck.
Also people that keep wild trout are considered worse than Hitler and even taking stockers is frowned upon.
there is literally nothing wrong with this if the hunt is sustainable, get fucked PETA fags
>>778834
>It's okay to want the meat but if you like any other part of an animal you are very bad >:(
Also yes, people do eat bear.
>>775619
>or you know catch and release, that is an option too.
>be me
>hunting in the woods
>see a bear
>"catch the bullet, bear friend!"
>bear catches bullet
>yay!
>go up and touch the bear
>say inane things to it
>time to release
>"I release you, bear friend!"
>bear friend not moving
>must be tired from interaction
>leave him to nap it off
Catch and release is a great way to meet a lot of different animals.
>>774956
This is unbearable
>>778850
> worse than Hitler.
Why
>>778917
Mountain streams and ponds aren't very large or exceptionally productive. Keeping trout generally isn't sustainable there.
>>778920
Any other fish to reap?
>>778917
Because wild fish in high-altitude areas are both a superior fishing experience across the board and very rare in most places just by virtue of where they live.
>>778922
Char, mackinaw, splake, kokanee, whitefish, pike and grayling. Only Char and Grayling are readily found in streams, though, and none of these fish are widely stocked.
>>778970
>Because wild fish in high-altitude areas are both a superior fishing experience across the board and very rare in most places just by virtue of where they live.
Yes, get your hedonistic fix; this is what matters for a 20 yo girl.
>>778973
>t. Mexinigger who catches trout on bait
>>778970
I take it you live in Colorado? If so, where? Western slope?
>>778973
>hurr you're a hedonist
>wants to make unsustainable harvests
>>778975
Down by the Spanish Peaks.
>>778978
Nice, I wanna move over by grand junction. Wisconifag here.
>>778980
Fuck off, we're full.
>>778983
I'm cumin
>>778983
Full of that sweat, sweat federal land.
>>778850
>Implying I wouldn't just take the best cuts of meat
When I hunt on my property I'm perfectly content with shooting geese or turkeys and just filleting out the breasts, I do something similar with deer and I just turn that shit into ground venison.
>>779016
Against the law in Colorado. Not taking at least the four quarters and backstrap of any large game you harvest is a felony.
>>779126
I don't honestly care what the law is. What is Fish & Game going to hide on my property waiting for me to take a goose out of season?
>>779137
They're allowed to do that in pretty much every state, so yeah, if they hear rumors or shots out of season they can make it their business. We send the wardens after poachers all the time.
>>779137
If they have a reason to, then yeah - and don't think that people who even vaguely suspect what you're up to won't narc on you, because they will.
I don't know what dixie shithole you're planning on crawling out of, but around here people only turn in poachers because hanging them or dragging them behind a truck is frowned upon and the state gives you money and/or tags for tips that pay out.
>>775896
Diogenes: the first hipster
>>779475
>he thinks 500 acres is a lot
I'm surprised they've got internet in whatever inbred trash corner of Maine you're at.
>>779564
it's a lot for me
i will never see a single acre of my own land
>>775207
Do you ever add anything of value away from the fishing general?
>>779586
Oh, misread that. Away from the fishing generals? No, not really.
I appreciate that you find some of the fishing stuff useful though.
Just blind them with a laser.
>>775188
>posted 4 day 19 hours ago
>still not reply
Fuck you, OP.
>>779628
KEK
>>775859
Firstly, killing of the top predators of ecosystems could very well be the end of them as we know them at least. Secondly, by killing off the things that make the wilderness dangerous you're taking away a big part of what actually makes it "wild".
>>777640
>when it's about professional hunters controlling the population guns are okay in my book if it's done in a humane and efficient way and only to the necessary extent. best would be of course if large predators would retake this role.
But that's what it's almost ALWAYS about, even in most states' general hunting seasons. Simply put, most of the natural predators that fed on those cute, cuddly animals have been extirpated, mostly because they ALSO tended to feed on other things we didn't want them to eat. Like cows, sheep, dogs and so on.
They may not say it this way, but most states rely on hunters to keep their deer and bear numbers at levels that the ecosystem can support. It hasn't been working as well as we want because the number of hunters is declining, but that is still the general idea. And what's more, all of this is not only self-funding, it's profitable too. It is the hunters-not the environmentalists-whose money pays for the salaries of game wardens and funds the conservation programs.
>>775209
Humans have been hunting animals for hundreds of thousands of years. Nothing gets more natural. This is how nature works. Also, not sure if you know, but if SHTF you can't eat a full deer on your own before the meat goes bad.
>>779797
this. anyone who's studied ecology should understand how disruptive this is. apex predators are the best indication of a healthy ecosystem.
without predators, prey animals multiply out of control until their habitat can't sustain them. that's why you get deer invading suburban neighborhoods.
>>774956
bears have no natural predators they eat other bears young and that and hunting is the only reason that there aren't bears fucking everywhere.
If we stop hunting bears they are going to eat all the deer and elk and shit and then we can't hunt those.
>>781852
Alabama even put it in their constitution that any future efforts to lower the population of a species would include sport hunters unless there's a pressing reason not to. It's really just one of those dumb posturing things our legislature does from time to time to prove they've got us hicks in mind, but it's better than the way it is in the national parks where it's no hunting allowed until they need to do some huge expensive cull that involves helicopters and traps and what have you.
>>781947
over a long enough time period that would become a problem since hunters try to take the biggest and the best animals leaving the weak runts to reproduce.
not that it matters though, hunting will probably be outlawed in the next 50 years and Alabama may be too. So no harm done.
>>781954
>over a long enough time period that would become a problem since hunters try to take the biggest and the best animals leaving the weak runts to reproduce.
Not if you only give them tags for females or males under a certain size.
>not that it matters though, hunting will probably be outlawed in the next 50 years and Alabama may be too. So no harm done.
Dream on, kike.
>>781959
>only give them tags for females or males under a certain size.
yeah, hunters'll love that.
>Dream on, kike
I'm the future of your country.
we both know it.
>>781962
>yeah, hunters'll love that.
According to harvest and tag purchase numbers, they do.
>I'm the future of your country.
Ironic /pol/ posting aside, no. No state has made any meaningful move to restrict hunting for any reason other than conservation or public safety. The majority of people still eat meat and understand where it comes from, even if they choose not to participate. The anti-hunting movement has only ever gained purchase politically by exploiting class resentment in places like the UK and Botswana, but that doesn't apply to the US because everyone knows poor fucks hunt at least as much as rich guys here. Any nationwide ban on hunting in the next 50 years would be the result of some sort of Childhoods End alien invasion.
>>779219
Wow, friend. The people from your neck of the woods sound very tough and not to be trifled with. ;^D
>>781970
I think you underestimate the antigun sentiment growing on the left, or the leftist sentiment growing on the nation.
but I'm fine with leaving it be.
I hope you're right but I'm probably not going to live another 50 years to find out.
>>781911
yeah because that is what happened before humans came around right?
retard.
