Let's say I've decided to turn into some sort of hermit, and let's assume I'm very serious about it.
How can I live alone innawoods for the rest of my life?
What starting equipment will I need?
What forrest would be good to go?
I'm thinking about some sort of woodlands.
How will I deal with the law? Can I be arrested for wanting to live isolated from the rest of the world?
What will happen if I, say, 25 years later, decide to come back?
How will I be able to ensure my basic needs, such as a relatively fulfilling diet, water, shelter, etc?
Tell me everything I need to know, and give me advice.
Thank you, /out/.
It's impossible and you couldn't hack it psychologically.
/thread.
>>765694
What is it impossible about it?
And you're assuming I can't hack with it psychologically, but I think you're wrong, so I'll ask you to operate under the assumption that I can do it.
Thank you, again.
>>765702
It'd be easier to learn how to live with people, you'll be happier too.
How can I live alone innawoods for the rest of my life?
illegally
What starting equipment will I need?
.22 rifle with 5000 rounds, fishing gear with lots of extra lines and hooks, 2 good axes, a few good knives, clothes for 30 degrees colder than it will ever get, a way to farm and a way to get clean water, like 100 pounds of rice and a fuck ton of spices
What forrest would be good to go?
South is nice, west is also nice but south and alaska are basically the only places where the /law/ doesnt give a fuck what you do
I'm thinking about some sort of woodlands.
Good idea.
How will I deal with the law? Can I be arrested for wanting to live isolated from the rest of the world?
Yes, you can be arrested. You are a hobo.
What will happen if I, say, 25 years later, decide to come back?
You'll commit suicide
How will I be able to ensure my basic needs, such as a relatively fulfilling diet, water, shelter, etc?
That is up to how hard to think and how hard you try
>>765706
I appreciate your support, but if I wanted emotional help I'd have posted it on /adv/, not on /out/. I've been thinking about this everyday for 3 years and already read a lot on the subject. If you genuinely care, would you be so kind as to answer the questions in my OP?
>>765717
If you are serious about it start by making a checklist of what you think you need and why, then comeback with it and we will discuss it.
>>765686
you would need to build this up. first just spend a month out there in the summer then in the fall then in the winter. one month is survivable with what you can pack.
then try a year but have a plan to return to civilization if it doesn't work out.
then you need to work on sustainability.
but first of all you probably gonna need to buy your land.
but even people that spend half a year in the wilderness must return to civilization for supplies from time to time.
>>765717
If you'd read alot about it, you wouldn't be asking 4chan.
What do you think the answer to your questions are?
>>765801
Hi.
It seems there is some misunderstanding.
I apologize.
What I mean by reading is the story of other hermits, biographies, the philosophy behind the idea, this kind of thing.
Not in terms of what I can do in pratical terms.
>What do you think the answer to your questions are?
Does that matter? I'm not completely sure, that's partially why I'm asking them.
>>765805
But you are basically asking us to the the math for you. Imagine a day in the woods. What you need to be comfortable and in what quantities. You'll need shelter, water, calories, etc. Once you find out what you need you focus in finding the equipement that will help you obtain those things.
Are you dedicated to not returning to society at all? If you are open to making trips for supplies this is much more plausible (though it is possible either way).
One consideration is healthcare. There is none unless you are willing to return should you need it. You can learn to cope with some injuries and illnesses but others will mean death without medical attention. Also should you become injured/ill you may be unable to provide for yourself (hunting food, collecting firewood etc.) so this could lead to death indirectly though this may be preventable with adequate preparation.
Shelter - just build a shelter capable of sustaining you though all weather conditions in your environment.
Food - you can survive by hunting, fishing and gathering but farming some sort of carbohydrate would make things much easier.
Water - you would have to live near a fresh water source (river/stream or lake).
The biggest problem with this idea is that it is illegal in most places. Ideally you would buy the land if you have the money, else you would have to go somewhere that people either won't care or won't notice.
Asking what would happen 25 years from now is probably pointless as there are so many political factors to consider that could be influenced by countless factors. If you pulled it off legally for 25 years you could return to society but the psychological considerations are significant. Assuming you have minimal contact with society, you would be very out of touch with modern technology and much of the social and societal progress would be difficult, perhaps impossible, to fully deal with.
Do you have family/friends that would be opposed to this? If someone is truly opposed to what you are doing and you are not doing it legally, they can single-handedly stop you quite easily. You can cut all ties before leaving, keep details of where you are going secret and cover your tracks when you leave to prevent this from happening.
Thankfully "the rest of your life" is not going to be terribly long.
>>765805
First of all, this >>765871
Humans didn't live very long before modern medicine. And especially before societies with a decent balanced diets.
Assuming you do gather up your supplies and go for it, it's going to be hard to do it without any human interaction. There are some supplies you are going to need from civilization. The innawoods men on the Discovery Channel and shit, they are pretty self-sufficient when it comes to food and even clothing, but they will still sell furs or something so they can buy the occaisional tool. Otherwise you can break into garages and houses once every couple months like that one fugutive who lived in the woods forever.
>>765686
nobody throughout history lived alone for the rest of their lives. monks were hermits for 10 years but not for forever. stop being an idiot
>>765879
Humans lived in their late sixties, which is the natural age for people to die (past that is when you get alzheimers and start fucking up)
Humans in pre industrial eras such as medieval Europe, basically everywhere apart from a few places ate more balanced diets than modern people do. They were healthier.
>>766070
You're just talking out of your ass, romanticizing the past.
Before modern medicine people lived shit lives and died from trivial infections, something people like you take for granted now.
Their diets were shit and they were starving most of the time, unless they were a member of middle class/higher class, which was not a very common thing.
You sound like a hippie faggot and your shit's all retarded.
>>766071
http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf
>>766072
Yes, let's dump it all because a filthy commie that's spending his life in prison as a consequence of his dumb actions said so.
>>766083
>commie
he despised communists and socialists, you'd know that if you read it
Read it and you'll realise high technology is bad
>>766089
Anarchists = commies
He's a commie that hated himself, nothing more.
>>766091
commies in practice are absolutely totalitarian they believe in centralized everything and 100% state redistribution.
anarchists are just shit out of their mind in greater structures than a family it doesn't work hell it doesn't even work in a family.
>>766091
He was a tribalist.
He didn't like anarchist, commies, or any leftist groups. Read his manifesto, idiot
>>766095
I know, but the two are very closely related.
Every anarchist is very bound to commie ideals, and they are more likely to bend toward goods distribution than free market economics and minarchism, same as every anarchist they have very little regard for freedom. They would silence the opposition because they are overly emotional tantrum throwing babies.
>>766096
Yeah, a tribalist sold out by his own "tribe" for a million dollar reward, still reeks of failure.
>>766102
Because Anarcho Capitalism isnt a thing.
Go fuck yourself you retarded /pol/ poster, if your mind is so narrow that you cant even differ Anarchism from Communism you should go back to your containment board
>>766102
Anarchism is not very bound to Communism, the reason you see red and black flags is, that during the second world war and the period of fascism, many anarchists and communists saw fascism as their common enemy (Siege of Madird etc.). The Antifa originated in that coalition.
>>766128
that chart is kinda fucked up. Like National-Anarchism and Green Zionism and having Classical Liberalism and Libertarianism incredibly far apart but Ultraliberalism goes with libertarianism.
All these isms are making my head hurt
>>766091
>im 13 and dis is politics :D
>>>/trash/
>>766135
meant to say what are National-Anarchism and Green Zionism meant to be. I don't see how Zionism is related with Environmentalism, and the rejection of nationalism seems to be a pretty core concept of anarchist thought
>>766135
Its hard to put all those ideas which share ideals and ideas on a graph anyway. I wanted to show how there a a few more politcal movements than anarchists, commies and capitalists
>>766139
No anarchism rejects the general concept of a leadership by an elite. It doesnt say you cant implement that while still rejecting other nations or ethnicities
>>766143
true, it really is hard to quantify belief systems. There are far too many variables to for it to be practical on a 2 dimensional scale, and anything more complex is almost incomprehensible and definitely not overly useful for quick explanations
>>766145
But how would nationalism exist without the presence of a nation?
Racist anarchists could definitely exist but I find it hard to believe it being part of their political ideology if they already consider themselves anarchists.
>>766070
>Humans lived in their late 60s
>ate more balanced diets
Topkek. Are you talking about the Egyptian royal familes or something?
>>766150
*nation-state
>>766150
I can't understand how this should be able to be archieved, but maybe ask troy southgate or read a text by him. He was big in the nineties.
>>766102
You realise the rest of the kaczynski family didn't have the same beliefs that he did, right? you are one stupid motherfucker
>>766151
>american education
People in the past, rural people (not romancucks or greekcucks) ate extremely good, balanced, and healthy diets. Look at medieval people's teeth and they are incredibly clean, their bones are strong and they were incredibly fit.
And they lived until their mid to late 60's. you are supposed to live that age, any later and you start getting problems that fuck you up.
learn some history pepsifag
>>766338
Not sure where you get your facts from. Those LARPers must have some crazy romanticized views on the past.
And while some people did live to a decent age back before being crammed into cities with the plague, so many died as children from totally preventable diseases that the life expectancy was still ~30 years.
>look at the people who lived to 70 years old in the 16th century!
>they were so healthy!
They better have been as healthy as Jack MoFuckin LaLanne to make it to that age back then.
>Christopher Thomas Knight
Granted, he was caught and wasn't super into the /out/doors for someone deciding to live as a hermit, but interesting
>>766512
Can you blame him? The people in those DnD manuals look like supermodels!
>>765694
going insane from isolation doesn't happen if you have enough work on your hands, just look people like joshua slocum, he spent like 2 years all alone on his boat with some exceptions from resupplying visits to small islands, and he did fine just because he had something to do
protip: buy the land you'll be living on, so no one will push you off. i don't know how taxes work if you supply your own food and stuff and have no income but you might wanna look into that.
>>765686
Op, although most of us anons tend to come off as a bit gruff in this anon world, they do have a point.
The good stuff so far. >>765865 raises the most salient point: it really depends on whether you are showing up somewhere once a month, once a year, etc. It would make your life MUCH easier because you could restock.
The other good idea to show up here is that you should try it for a month or season at a time to get the basic idea.
>>766089
>believing the words of a domestic terrorist
>believing the words of a man who was illegally administered clinical doses of LSD in CIA mind control experiments (this is documented)
>>766094
Thanks for the reading material bro
>>765686
There was a guy in Maine that did it for 20+ years. He managed that by stealing what he needed. Probably your best plan, if you're the type to ask for advice here..
Listen here OP your plan is retarded and here's why. It's illegal, unsustainable and far too risky to your health.
What you really want to do is homestead. Legal, sustainable, low risk, comfy, rewarding and fun. You will be able to limit human interaction substantially should you decide to remain insane.
>>765694
Yeah what he said. Cause honestly bro, to do what you wanna do requires connecting with your lower-self and becoming a primal person, think John the Baptist who wore a camel skin and ate locusts. You're gonna have to get used to the idea of hunting and/or trapping your own game, along with prepping and cooking said game. Do that well, coupled with a rudimentary knowledge of edible plants and basic survival skills, and an extreme kind of psycho-chuunibyou-hardiness, like real Rambo shit crazy, you could MAYBE pull it off. Maybe.
This thread is like the Holy Grail of /out/. Go full Chris Mccnadless bro, but dont die a stupid death like him. I think Chris was too booky to really make it inna woods
>>765686
If you were smart enough to pull this off, you would have read tons of shit preventing you from posting this.
TLDR: Learn stuff, read books, lurk more
>>768554
John the Baptist?
try referencing better
>>768627
Ok smartass how about the guy who was lost at sea for 7 months and survived by drinking sea turtle blood? What I'm saying is eating bugs, wearing a camel skin, and drinking blood, is exactly the kind of crazy animal shit you have to do to live in the woods successfully, atleast in the most unorthodox fashion, or natural fashion if you look at it right
>>768662
So you want to be a caveman? Just walk your bare ass naked into the woods. If you have the will power to stay in the woods, you'll have passed the first step.
Then, every single day, you'll have the same opportunity. Today, do I live or die? Do I have the skills to keep me alive?
Even cavemen had plenty of skills. Probably the best /out/ skills ever. But one of them was not shitposting about it here...
Thread is full of idiots who don't think clearly.
living out the rest of your life innawoods means you die in there too, there is no fine line when you are going to die.
>>768858
Ok ok I see ur point. But didn't we evolve to live on this planet using our bodies and a very basic assortment of tools? I mean if you wanna call it being a cave man ur not far off, but still we grew up on this planet so it's possible to live on a few simple modern tools and good preparation, assuming the environment has enough food, shelter, and water for you. That's how native Americans did it for hundreds of generations. So what you only live to 40, doesn't sound like OP wants to live that long anyway
>>768662
blood is about 1% salt lot's of protein too
if you keep drink that shit you gonna get severely dehydrated and ruin your kidneys real fast.
>>766512
The majority of people lived to around 60. Look at tribes today that live similarly and everyone gets pretty old.
>children dying at a young age
It's necessary for population control t b h. Sounds edgy but if they all survived then it would be overpopulated as fuck.
And I'm not sure the point that "all kids died at a young age" is true. I've never seen evidence for it, and books and shows and documentaries that I've seen about tribes, although living in different climates, still rely on agriculture and hunting and gathering. They don't have 10 children, and the children they have don't die. Subsaharan africa is an exception because of colonialism.
>>766660
>because he's a domestic terrorist it means nothing he says is correct
kek
The experiments were one of the reasons he hated the modern world. Ted writes that even as a child he was fascianted with native american culture and primitive people's, so the LSD experiments didn't make him "go batshit crazy innawoods".
>>765686
>How can I live alone innawoods for the rest of my life?
depends on how long do you want "the rest of your life" to last.
While we are sort of on topic.
What is the lowest most basic or savage state a human can live in? Could a human get by without man made shelter and fire? Sleeping under the stars or some grass, eating raw meat and drinking from a stream that sort of stuff.
What is the absolute minimum? A long sharp spear and a stone cutting implement?
Living completely alone may make you develop an anxiety disorder, in time. Then if you feel sick, how are you going to take care of yourself? You might get in such a state, you won't be able to hunt or get your food.
>>770241
You would need fire, otherwise, you would die of diseases, both regular, because your temperature would drop if you got sick and also raw meat can contain parasites and other nasty bits. Before the invention of replicable fire human mortality rate and life expectancy was that of animals. Sure, it would solve the overpopulation problem, but if you're planning to go out and live on raw meat, well, the statistics wouldn't be in favour of a single person or a smaller commune of individuals.
Plus eating raw meat is very inefficient, you would spend more energy digesting it than if you produced fire and cooked it, so you would be marauding the landscape all of your time.
So, to answer your question: Yes, you can go without fire.
>>765686
I think you should get a dog. It will help you hunt and will be your only friend. Yes that's another mouth to feed but its worth it.
>>770286
What is the rate of parasites in raw meat anyways? Didn't humans eat raw meat for a very long time?
>>770229
Didn't people used to have at least 5-6 children and have 2-3 of them die in infancy?
Hell you could even check royal families online and there was always the kid that died in infancy. Should have been even worse for any lower classes.
