Preparing for societies end, waiting for shit to hit the fan. How would one go about starting a new life in the wilderness? Live in Vegas btw
>>711247
>How would one go about starting a new life in the wilderness?
I wouldn't. I'd die.
>Live in USA
>worried about SHTF
Even with a Nazi like Trump as president, you will be fine. Let me know when you're in Africa or the Middle East.
>>>/x/
I used to play with prepper ideas, now as of today I depend on big pharma for daily medication that keeps me alive...
Have fun without me guys...
>>711247
With little to no people around and no governmental oversight, and a lifetime supply of hunting gear liberated from the ruins of what was once cabelas, hunting would be pretty easy compared to today.
With a temporary setback with tons of people and government maintaining power, I've got enough canned food and garden veggies (and neighborhood squirrels) that I probably wouldn't go anywhere.
![anxiety[2].gif](https://i.imgur.com/MUxbjtL.gif "anxiety[2].gif")
>>711284
>a lifetime supply of hunting gear liberated from the ruins of what was once cabelas
unf
OP here, if you guys had to go out and live in the wilderness how would you go about doing it?
>>711247
>>711310
Play the game The Long Dark and survive for 6 months in-game. If you can do that, you at least have part of the mentality you'd need to go it alone in the wilderness. If you can't do that then you need to seriously rethink your plan.
Step 1: build up as many social contacts in your local area as possible
Step 2: train and prep with them, have plans for where you will be going and what you'll be doing, if you decide it best to leave the area
Ste 3: in the area(s) you choose to be in, vacation in those spots a few times a year to familiarize yourself with them. do this with as many people in your group as possible
Never go it alone. Humans are not meant to go it alone. We are meant to face challenges with other people. It is this function of society that allows us to achieve great things and thrive even during times of extreme hardship. The instant you start distancing yourself from others is the instant your life will slide down hill.
If you still think of going it alone, I also suggest seeing a professional therapist. This will help you make sure your urges to go it alone are not stemming from something in your current life that is a problem. If they are, you need to address that first. This is very important.
>>711310
You want a breakdown of day to day life or what our individual shtf fantasy plan is?
Here's the latter, because I'm in the mood to greentext.
>The sickness seems to have effected nearly everyone. The only survivors I've seen so far are looting from abandoned and occupied homes alike. I stay hidden, lest they try to take what little I've been able to scrounge together.
>My only hope, I fear, is to make it to the lake some 300 miles away. There's no trails there; a three day hike through thick brush and deadly pitfalls is my only hope to elude the predatory raiders of this post-apocalyptic life.
>Months of walking along the highways has provided me with gasoline to use as fuel for my alcohol stove, the only respite from the raiders who are attracted to the sight and smell of campfires, committing heinous acts against those who tend them.
>The promise of limitless trout and a warm cave in my private sanctuary drives me forward, allowing me to suffer through the hard times of little more than cat-tails and squirrel I can find along the way.
>My journey behind me, I settle into my new home, hunting, fishing and foraging the land to store food for the long upcoming winter.
>Spring having arrived just as the last of my stores run dry, I clear a plot to plant the seeds I've saved to guarantee a reliable source of calories for the remainder of my stay.
>Six years has passed, now. I hear a plane, it seems that society has begun rebuilding, but I like my home here. I think I'll stay.
>>711328
The Long Dark would be the perfect survival sim if they just made the wolves not hyper-aggressive
Made them attack you in packs only if they were starving or something
So many of my games just end in bullshit wolf attacks
>>711256
>>711354
just play as pilgrim.... i do, wolves and bears just attack you if you're really harrassing them.... but i've managed to die even in that mode by blizzard, starvation or food poisioning
>>711406
>play as pilgrim
No thanks, I'd prefer to have a difficult experience, not be showered in resources
>>711354
>>711406
>>711408
Okay, so I don't do video games, but I've been hearing about this a lot and it does seem interesting. Wouldn't it be possible to just tune down the variable that determines the aggressiveness or frequency of the wolves? I mean, there's just a single line of code with a number, right? Change the number.
>>711335
>implying it's a sickness and not radiation that kills the earth and all the animals you want to eat
>>711422
>I don't do video games
The main aspect of the game is logistics. Learning how to think far far ahead to plan what you will be doing instead of merely surviving in the moment. You can really screw up and end up starving too death or freezing too death simply because you didn't plan well enough. That level of mentality is something you have to take to a massive scale IRL. If you can't do it in a game, you may as well stay home.
The longest I've survived has been 1 month. Then I quite and will restart when the game is fully finished and has an appreciable amount of mods for it.
Yes, it is possible to do as you say if you mod the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECHnqMklU1A
>>711431
Well in that case, I'm fucked anyway, so why worry about it? On the other hand, I'd probably survive a plague due to a combination of being socially avoidant and eating healthier than I probably need to.
>>711434
I'll check it out. It actually does seem like the kind of game I'd enjoy playing. Thanks.
>>711441
FYI, only 1 wolf isn't easily avoidable. The rest only get you if you do something stupid.
>>711443
I just watched the trailer. I doubt it'll run on my computer (an old XP POS with lubuntu). Still, looks like fun.
>>711419
i guess it gets different once the story mode is available, i bet the owner of "trappers homestead" is a hostile npc
>>711261
Fuckin this. I will be bed-ridden inside a couple months without meds and dead thereafter.
>>711638
AIDS
>>711354
I'd like the lone dark a lot more if it was more intuitive. And if you could build structures.
I haven't played it in ages, have they added more than just crying yourself to sleep in a former building?
>>711819
I mean there's hunting, tanning, cooking, crafting, firestarting, scavenging, all that stuff
They haven't added custom structures yet but I honestly like that, it makes shelter feel more important and cozy
There are a bunch of new maps though
>>711830
Anything less cold? I like a good innawoods simulator but the first map with the ice lake was hard as balls.
Also how do you hunt? Can you actually use weapons now?
>>711834
Rifle with very limited rounds, handcrafted bow and arrows, trapping rabbits with snares
And no, they're all cold
>>711377
not bait its truth i grew up in a third world country... Americans are the most over privileged cry baby's there is.
>>711247
You might need to wait for a long time. Even then, contingency plans for a collapse could accelerate recovery. It would be in survivors best interest to begin forming societies and repairing/rebuilding infrastructure as soon as possible. Societies merging with other societies to form larger societies. So "roughing it in the wasteland" may be unnecessary or brief.
>>711328
Spoken like a true extravert.
>>711885
Even introverts realize and benefit from the numerous advantages of working in groups.
Daily reminder that the best survival game is NEO Scavenger and possibly also UnReal World.
>>711887
Heh yeah, I aint denyin it. But they need other people to carry salt and ropes and ammo and pots and tools, not for angsty psychological reasons. Of course teamwork is more efficient. But a good outdoorsman will make it alone.
>>711638
I had my thyroid removed and require daily hormones.
My plan is to either somehow buy a lifetime supply of it or learn how to synthesize it myself, both are astronomically unrealistic.
Its scary being married to a system you can so easily see toppling, but its the reality of billions of people...
>>711247
pic related
>>711887
As group size increases, the needs of the group increase as well, and not everyone is going to bring the same skills to the table, which means I'd probably have to teach them how to even pull their own weight. The last thing I want is a fifty year old accountant who complains when he has to bend over to tie his shoes just because his daughter is a nurse, medical care is not my strongest skill and keeping him around is a deal-breaker for her. Basically, I'm saying people are entitled fucks, and you'd have to setup the equivalent of Medicare and welfare, which will heavily burden everyone else in the group. Fuck that, I'm fine on my own.
>>711247
>Buy a casino
>build life support pod in basement
>Develop robot army
>have robots redevelop Vegas after the bombs hit
>profit
Fuck trying to survive in the wilderness. It's full of deathclaws and cazadors.
>>712180
You have all that shit sorted out right now, years before anything bad happens.
>>711885
I'm actually am introvert. I fucking hate being around lots of people. More than 5 people and I get flaky and stressed.
>>711896
I thought this thread was about SHTF? Meaning you are better off in a group than alone. Meaning all the wilderness that no one does anything in right now will be crawled over like a kicked anthill with 1,000s of people. If you don't have your shit together and enough people to deter or even defend a single attack from another group of people, you're screwed, probably literally. Loners don't get respect, but if you are with a group, any other group will think twice about doing something nefarious.
>>711247
Well, it is hard to say exactly what to do, because knows what a happening will bring, but here are a few general scenarios that people float around
>last man on earth
Kill yourself early, there are very few people who could go a lifetime without seeing another person, and you are not one of them
>total economic failure
Hope to god you are valuable enough in a barter society to not starve. The only servers part will be the initial looting
>zombies
Kill yourself for believing Hollywood bullshit
>civil war
Pick a side and die like a man
>nuclear war
We are all fucked, but if you live through the exchange, the government has a shit ton of stuff in place for just this scenario.
>Yellowstone goes
Dust mask on, and prepare to starve
The problem with preppers is they prepare for extremely specific event that won't happen
Try reading the book "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy.
It really changed how I viewed surviving "SHTF." Sure, you can learn skills, stock up on supplies, and even begin to homestead. But in the end, surviving something like this is just luck.
You can try to prevent yourself from dying, but it's about being at the right place at the right time.
I'm not a big hippie who believes in fate or any of that shit, but when it's time for you to go, it's time to go.
>inb4 "so you're just going to submit to dying, anon?"
>inb4 "you're not even going to try, anon?"
>>711247
Well it all depends on the scenario.
At this very moment I could walk into the mountains and arguably make it through any experience that last a month. More long-term situations would require me moving into ideally hostile environmental areas where most people would avoid.
Honestly with some of my goats I'd be able to live well.
I'm so far out in the country I only just saw madmax fury road three days ago.
But I thought "hey how could I make it through a nuclear war?"
My neighbor has dozens of hives, honey doesn't expire ever so long as its properly stored, certainly getting a hundred gallons to be stored wouldn't be too much trouble. We have mountains with wine caves that store much more volume of wine and many are owned by absentee wine people.
I know how to make humanure utilizing various worm and maggot species that could be feed to particular animals I would then eat like fish and fish analogues that could live in absolute darkness and have a firm grasp of mushroom cultivation.
My only issue would be finding an enzyme that is accessible, regenerative and efficient in converting fungus starches into bioavaliable simple carbohydrates.
After I can find that enzyme the only remaining question is keeping the moisture of a given place and I'd arguably be safe and secure for atleast a decade.
I don't like talking to preppers and survivalists though, usually they're weird people who plan around these scenarios to prove to themselves and others that they are alphas or like real leaders, most dot have a firm grasp on anything beyond like making a survival garden/storing five hundred pounds of rice/shoot gun/muh golden horde and usually they aren't too keen on educating and working with others.
Idk kinda weird if you ask me, at the end of the day all your plans could be dashed of a minute thing you never even dreamed of and all your work would go down the drain.
>>712790
Hit it right on the head anon. I love "prepping" because I learn a bunch of cool skills and get a couple new toys, but the fact of the matter is in a happening situation, I live to close to Chicago, and would most likely die in nuclear hellfire, be over run by people fleeing to the country (because it's so much better here, and you can grow food overnight), or have relatively no change since big cities will be relatively stable during certain happenings.
I love to think it is going to be like stalker, and I can just run and gun, looting everything I need and walking off gunshot wound by spamming f1, but that's not real life. In a happening I will either die right off or be OK, but in a tight spot. It's all luck and at the end of the day no amount of preparation will increase your luck.
>>711247
I wouldn't worry about it. Just the elements alone like the cold would kill most city folk, especially somewhere like Vegas. Sure it's easy to go out camping or hunting when you got a nice warm car or house to retreat to. Shit's a little different with no utilities like running water, sewage removal, electricity, etc.
>>712384
>You have all that (teams and organization) sorted out now.
That's not really possible. You don't know what the event will be, and therefore, who you'll have available to choose from. If 99% of the population gets wiped out due to a plague while you're off in the woods, all that's left is you, some hippies and a ton of enoing hipsters with biolites. Anyone who knows a damn thing about survival isn't going to want to babysit a bunch of retards just to fulfill a leadership fantasy.
I'm not saying that you're always better off alone by any means, just that you don't need other people as much as you're suggesting, not so long as you have a diverse skillset.
I can hunt, trap, skin and tan. I can forage, grow and process my own plant food. I can sew and even knit, if I feel so inclined. As far as security goes, I doubt I'd even be spotted alone, but a large group talking all night by a smoking fire to keep themselves awake while they're on guard duty would draw in raiders like flies to shit.
>>711247
If such a scenario ever comes to pass you're better off killing yourself.
I'd expect millions of people ravaging natural areas to feed their starving families, indiscriminately hunting species into extinction, and killing each other in order to avoid competition.
>>713314
Are you trying to thin the competition preemptively?
Chances are, nothing will happen. Those in control live to maintain power. They wouldn't allow all their subjects to die, so they put protections and buffers in place. That is, until there's enough robots capable of replacing their workers, which is probably why they developed that GMO corn that causes third generation sterility. We'll probably have enough tech in sixty years or so that they can start thinning the population.
>>711247
My SHTF plan is to gather some buddies and farm. I already have a small parcel of land where I grow vegetables every year, and I'm on the list to get a second one in the same area. I plan to plant some Zinfandel and Pinot Noir. I've got about three years of experience making wine from grapes, I'll keep my little vineyard going through the shitfest and continue to make wine if time allows. When some level of normalcy returns, I plan to be one of the only wine producers left and trade it for anything I want, since after the first few years unspoiled wine will be rare as fuck. In the longer term I would want to establish a walled village and basically reproduce pic related in the post-apocalypse.
>>713091
>That's not really possible.
>makes up bullshit scenarios to make his point of view correct
>thinks the rest of the world is hippies and retards
Yup, you're gonna get hunted, captured, ass raped, tortured, and murdered in a way that will amuse others.
>>711247
In the wilderness?
In the Earths prime time it could sustain maybe 4 million people by hunting and gathering. This was when all the prime areas now covered by farms and cities were still lush wilderness.
If human society manages to end so catastrophically that only 4 million survive it would be a relatively small chance a 4chan poster that visits /out/ would be among them.
Building communities and farming is where it's at bruh.
>>713384
Given that disease transmission increases exponentially in relation to population density, I wouldn't really consider a plague to be "bullshit" as you put it. Every new birth brings us closer to that possibility.
I didn't say the rest of the world is hippies and retards, I said that IF a PLAGUE hit WHILE YOU WERE IN THE WOODS, all that would be left would be other people who weren't exposed, for example people also in the woods such as hippies and camping hipsters.
>Being told I'm a loser by someone with the reading comprehension of a developmentally disabled infant.
Top props if that was bait, though. Otherwise, I pity you parents... and God forbid, children.
>>713403
No one called you a loser. However, your basic logic is terrible for any survival situation.
>>713405
Peculiar, I seem to do just fine for weeks at a time with what I can carry in a small backpack. And what per se makes you a definitive expert on /out/ matters?
>>711638
Ulcerative Colitis. It sounds benign like just a case of the shits but my lifespan without meds is drastically reduced. If I don't have a "flare up," then I can be fine for a few years, but stress makes it flare up so obviously I would be stressed out in the end of the world and flare the fuck up.
So without meds and with a flare up I would blow bloody diarrhea out of my ass so fast I wouldn't last a month before just collapsing from basically my ass starving my body to death and possibly enemia from all the blood loss from my anus.
Even supposing I survive through that, my chances of developing colon cancer without meds I think go up to like 30 times or something like that my doctor said.
It's enough to want to fight, but I don't think I would live to see the birth of a new world of there ever was one.
>>713380
I'll be the first guy who eats your grapes without asking.
>>713314
that's my dream anon
that's my dream
>>713340
unless robots and automation make most of humanity worthless sack of shits meanwhile the genetic selection of rich and poor created a separate species one with overwhelming advantage in resources and intelligence the other is fed with bullcrap from child and various chemicals in food and water to make dumber by 20 30 iq points or more, not that they had much genetic potential to begin with mind you...
i wonder if the masses or starving nigger are really necessary in the future.
>>713631
Transplant intestines and colon are one of, if not the cheapest organ.
Of course, in a shtf scenario you'd then need anti-rejection meds or your white cells would kill it. Stupid white cells.
>>714305
I'm pretty sure technology has already made people worthless pieces of shit. Just look at all the kids on their cellphones all day... or all the anons on 4Chan.
>>711247
>Preparing for societies end, waiting for shit to hit the fan.
If you don’t already have rural property (and are already out there, as the roads will be jammed) you’re best best in the event of the SHTF is to hunker down and bunker up in your house, where all your food, clothes, guns, tools etc. is and where you have four walls and a roof over your head.
Because once you run off inna woods with you SKS, odds are you’ll be dead within a fortnight from exposure, lack of water/food or get shot by a panicky homeowner.
On my to-do-but-probably-never-get-around-to-it list to to have 5/8” plywood panels pre-cut to fit all the windows in my house, so that in the event of a disaster, I can quickly mount them by screwing them into the vinyl window frames.
>>712592
>The problem with preppers is they prepare for extremely specific event that won't happen
No they don't, the ones with more then a bug-out bag prepare for the worst that can happen, which pretty much covers everything less than the worst.
>>711419
Stalker is best. It forces you to constantly be aware of your surroundings and respect nature by treating every encounter with an animal as a worst case scenario.
I'm kind of mad that the new Cloverfield movie made people who prepare for disasters into rapists and creeps
Coming from a non-prepper
>>711335
you should write more, that was damn enjoyable anon
>>711896
I think you have introvert confused with brooding autist and extrovert mixed up with ego tripping Chad stereotypes. Introverts just need some time to themselves or they get stressed, while extrovers need some socializing now and then or they start to freak out too.
>>714509
Is this game really worth spending a week and half's food money on? I mean, I could afford it, but im a stingy jew when it comes to buying things i don't really need.
>>715826
It's a single player game. Wait a year for the price to go down. The experience isn't going to be any different then.
>>711247
Cannibalism.
Because within the first month post shtf every deer in the forests will be shot and killed, after that every farm would be raided and animals killed.
After that only small game would be the only meat left and they aren't enough to sustain a grown man (rabbit starvation).
Only viable meat source left would be people.
After about the first week of going hungry people would turn very primal and violent, All the hippie commune fantasies you have will fall apart as the greenies bellies start to rumble and the only thing on anyone's mind is food.
>>715878
Terrible advice, the game is in early access currently and they announced 4 months ago on their website that the full release is coming this Spring and that the price will go up and that it will have additional content: http://hinterlandgames.com/the-long-dark-story-mode-teaser/
>>713401
>In the Earths prime time it could sustain maybe 4 million people by hunting and gathering.
I don't believe you. Got any sauce for that particular statement, or are you just making shit up to look cool on the internet?
>>711247
if it was early on end-of-the world I'd go to my pet store and let everything free, otherwise they'd all be trapped and die anyway
maybe try to train a couple of the puppies/dogs for hunting
dump those poor fish in jars on the selves in a lake and let them actually swim for once
>>716909
to be honoest whos gonna go to a pet store post end of the world, it'd make a good base
>>716909
>dump those poor fish in jars on the selves in a lake and let them actually swim for once
Until they die because you didn't bother letting them acclimate slowly to the change in water temperature. You monster.
>>716919
fill a bathtub with room temp water and let them hang out there and acclimate them that way as a halfway point til you move them to a lake/pond
>>716941
no dude they're already in jars in the pet store
>>713401
What is: the Americas before European rediscovery?
>>711247
>Live in Vegas btw
Well the first thing to do is get out of Vegas. There's not enough food/water for self-sustainability in a post-collapse desert city so people WILL fight for resources.
So head north or east as soon as possible to get out of the region.
>>711335
The sickness seems to have effected nearly everyone. The only survivors I've seen so far are looting from abandoned and occupied homes alike. I stay hidden, lest they try to take what little I've been able to scrounge together.
>Gets spotted throwing a poo out of the window and gets looted/killed.
My only hope, I fear, is to make it to the lake some 300 miles away. There's no trails there; a three day hike through thick brush and deadly pitfalls is my only hope to elude the predatory raiders of this post-apocalyptic life.
>Runs out of cheetos and mountain dew on day 2. Dies.
Months of walking along the highways has provided me with gasoline to use as fuel for my alcohol stove, the only respite from the raiders who are attracted to the sight and smell of campfires, committing heinous acts against those who tend them.
>Static from chaffing thighs creates spark igniting gasoline reserves. Dies.
The promise of limitless trout and a warm cave in my private sanctuary drives me forward, allowing me to suffer through the hard times of little more than cat-tails and squirrel I can find along the way.
>targeted by bandits after drawing attention by mag dumping .45acp at squirrels in desperation.
My journey behind me, I settle into my new home, hunting, fishing and foraging the land to store food for the long upcoming winter.
>Realise farming/foraging/fishing is hard and cannot access the data on them stored on hard drive. Starve.
>Spring having arrived just as the last of my stores run dry, I clear a plot to plant the seeds I've saved to guarantee a reliable source of calories for the remainder of my stay.
>Winter arrives just as plants begin to bear food. Starves.
