I live in central London and can't be bothered to jump through the hoops to get a gun; It's easy enough to prepare for a disaster situation but what could I really expect besides packed roads?
>>700653
Rape gangs
>>700654
>>700654
They're already here, we are in a disaster situation right now.
>>700656
>Lieutenant Yar's holiday trip to Cologne had been a searing disappointment
In nuclear scenario:
>You're fucked.
Breakdown of civil order:
>Police forces protect essential government buildings and select offices/apartment buildings along the isle of the dogs.
>Rapists, looters, etc etc
Armed invasion:
>Paratroopers dropping onto your buildings.
>Bombing runs.
If you're in London when a disaster strikes you're largely fucked. If you survive the initial outburst of violence then getting out will be difficult.
>>700653
Honestly? Don't even bother, living in a mega city like London you're already dead/fucked if some SHTF happens. There's no way around it.
Your best chance is to bug in, and pray for help to arrive.
>>700689
>bug in
That was the plan, always have enough food in the house, Crowbar, Dumpster key, Knife, and if shit really gets bad try and peddle out of there with a lot of camping shit attached to the bike
>>700653
Well, since you prefaced your post with weapons,
I understand that your options for self defense tools are sort of limited.
What about joining an histrorical reinactment group to get good with some low-tech / high impact weaponry?
Once you have the basics down, a screwdriver and framing hammer are...interesting...to have available.
>>700653
Mate you're in a disaster situation, you live in London.
>>700718
>Dumpster key
Are you a yank living in London? What the fuck is a dumpster key?
>>700740
I'd assume a front loader key/dustbin key would cause more confusion seeing as most American terms are know here, Dumpster is also used when referring to big bins with lids on you can lock.
>>700747
So you'll hide in a bin if there's a nuclear attack?
>>700718
Join Metropolitan Counter Terrorism Group and acquire sweet tactical gear first.
>>700750
Population of almost 9,000,000 in 1,572 km2
Food will be an issue and wood pigeons aren't something you see every day
>>700760
Dude, if food will be an issue, do you really think people will be throwing it away?
Your best bet is to just stockpile regular food you normally eat, preferably stuff with a longish shelf-life that can be eaten cold. Chili is a good example. And not big no. 10 cans, either. You won't necessarily have fridge to store leftovers.
As far as self-defense goes, camouflage is your safest bet. If shit really does hit the fan, keeping food and supplies well-hidden, and having a place to hide yourselves would be imperative. Think Anne Frank / underground railroad false walls shit if you really feel that this is a concern.
>>700774
Worst case scenario. It cost nothing, weighs nothing and is useful
>>700782
I'm not saying you shouldn't have one, just not to rely on it. Its like a fishing pole. Invaluable when applicable, worthless otherwise.
bump for interest
In a megacity like london your best bet would be to find a structurally strong building with very little to no windows on the ground floor, and reinforce the shit out of it. Think strong metal doors that you can chain shut from the inside.
As long as you are well stocked, and nobody drives a truck through the wall or burns the building down you should be fine for a little while.
A high walled property would also fit the criteria. Bonus points if your secure location has a place you can place raised beds for farming vegetables. A rooftop could work. Collecting rainwater would also be a priority.
When the population thins out after a few weeks, you can start hunting for resources. Chances are thag supermarkets will be low or not existant for food, so you will need to go door to door hunting for food in pantries, or at shipping distribution centers. This is risky and easier with more people.
Scoping out veterinarian clinics and pet stores for meds can be a good idea. Pet food is also supposed to be rated for humans in case of emergency. So bon Appétit.
If you can find police or military weaponry you are king, if not then find bows or make your own.
I feel like I should go into specifics though. What do you need the most help in knowledgewise?
If you really think something might happen and care to do something about it you would move very far away from London long before anything happens.
>>701575
10/10 would scavenge for food with
>>701575
>What do you need the most help in knowledge wise?
Anything you think an idiot wouldn't think of
There's isn't much really I can think of doing except for find/join a party, Scavenge, and try not to die, Maybe make it to Greenwich and hold out in the tunnels
>>700654
>>700653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzPbNvIzMf0
>>700653
Pretty much this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots
Probably bashed and have your shit stolen if you're carrying around a backpack. With big cities you're probably better off hunkering down. Just keep some MREs, water containers and a camping stove in your closet. Maybe a genny if you want to be fancy.
>>701975
I didn't think it was all that bad, Fairly contained to a few areas and a few small groups that went off to do damage elsewhere
>>701975
This happening in America would have ended with a few hundred dead, and I don't think that's a bad thing.
>>702119
or maybe like 55?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
>>701607
Your best bet would be to join a group that looks like they could hold their own then. Having a few friends or family to link up with in a shtf scenario would be easiest. Joining another group may be easy enough in the first week, but after a few weeks people will have shit their doors and will not take in outsiders.
I guarantee there will be some kind of group in the tunnels to keep away from the chaos up top, but they may be very defensive of their location.
You will have an easier time joining a group if you have skills that are useful in a happening scenario. Just scavenging will be what everyone is doing. Scavenging in itself is not a skill that will make you special. Yoh will need to be GOOD ar whaf you do. Good at getting in, good at getting out, and good at picking targets and knowing what to look for.
What separates you from every other door kicking scumbag on the streets? Medical training will be invaluable, construction skills and knowing how to fix things will also be very useful.
Its best to fill your head with knowlege of how things will have to be done if we cant go to the store or doctors offices. Humans will need to be inventors again.
Make yourself useful and people will want you with them, and you can help people rebuild after a collapse.
If you are innable to learn things or something then you could always try to trade your way into a group and risk the chance of getting beaten and robbed for your things.
>>702131
Nah, nowadays it would have been much worse.
>>702073
Mostly black areas, Lewisham got fucked because it's chocked with nigs, Eltham which is just up the road wasn't even touched because it has a heavy EDL presence and they patrolled the area and kept the nigs out.
>>702445
inb4 someone mentions the picture was of Croydon.
>>702445
>edl
>better than niggers
I would only chose one desu
>>700747
Pleb.
Depends on the disaster.
You won't survive nuclear attacks or carpet bombing.
But for a situation like a pandemic, riot, then barricade all entrances, nail plywood to your windows, put sandbags near your doors.
Crossbows and Air rifles and Bows are good, and an arrow sticking out of someone would scare a paki easily.
You can get a .22 rifle if you have a "miniature rifle shooting range", so those would be pretty good.
Buy a flak jacket or motorbike protective gear, and a military or motorbike helmet.
Bicycles with motors are great; you can get past blocked roads and you can go fast if you need to.
If you're in a city you're fucked, but if you can't move to a rural area then hunker down and hope for the best. Look at what people did in the siege of sarajevo.
Expect armed Gangs, mostly armed with melee weapons, a few pistols but that would be all. If you need to move and get supplies, do it at night and hide in the shadows.
>>703365
>Air rifles
>this is a thing for shtf in UK
what are you going to do with it? Hunt mice and squirrels? You can't protect yourself neither your family with it, you're better making a pipe shotgun
>>703410
>implying you could just stock shells in the UK without triggering a whole Christmas tree of terror alerts.
Head south east out into dartford/essex for rural terrain, maybe end up near graves end depending on river crossings.
From my experience there's not actually an insane amount of weapons around the urban area, its all gang related so a gang share a gun, There is however a rediculous amount of three inch blades and ninja weapons that people have, bread knives and rounders bats. The general public even those with firearms acces would be pretty well under equipped, against invaders/zombies/armed response.
>>703425
You're right I guess but in that case I would pick a melee weapon instead.
>>703429
>Head south east out into dartford/essex for rural terrain
No, you don't do that. In a city like London, after things going south you barricade inside and wait for thing getting better or to a big part of the people starting to die.
Fewer people = fewer threats
Runing away in the middle of the happening you're asking for getting your ass kick by Jamal, Tyrone, Memeth and their dark skinned friends.
I'd love to know the average age of the anons in this thread..
>>700653
Read "last light" by Alex scarcrow
>>700653
>google pipe shotgun
you are know now armed
>>700653
When I lived in London I bought a gun off a pikey, no paperwork hoop jumping required.
What happens in besieged Syrian cities ? Are marauding gangs an occidental thing? Why are whites such godless savages?
>>703658
>What happens in besieged Syrian cities
rape
hunger
murder
>Are marauding gangs an occidental thing?
no
>Why are whites such godless savages?
Are you a sheltered yuppi from the suburbs with white guilt? Take a look at what happens in africa and see how nigger handle themselves, they rape and kill entire villages, they don't even spare kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQksa-KSV4Y
>narrow streets
>tons and tons of people
No amount of prepping can save you if you fall into a situation like this.
>>700653
It will be significantly harder, but possible. Get a crossbow, not ideal but better than what the vast majority of the population will have. Take up a martial art, a real one and not a meme one. Stockpile food, water, medical supplies, tools, weapons and other supplies.
Get training like first aid and basic outdoor skills.
The biggest piece of advice I can give is to sit tight. If something goes wrong, everyone will go apeshit and get very angry at the first thing they see that they can direct their lack of preparation on. It's a very strange form of jealousy.
A hero dies in a blaze of glory, a smart man lives while in the shadows.
>>700653
Watch Blackout, we all watched it together in /brit/ when it aired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczTcpSJQCs
It will be that but with considerably more chaos and violence.
>>700667
They've been there since forever. You inbreds are just made that big Arab dicks are raping your Sisters now.
>>700654
The UK is already filled with rape gangs that coincidentally share a certain religion of peace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Sex_Gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
That is what they are like with the rule of law. If shit hits the fan and there are no guns, you want to do your best roadrunner impression.
While we are on this topic, i live in a place i would consider safe, no large city or anything but outisde our town is our cottage and i would feel better knowing i had a supply of food there, its on an island so i cant dig a hole to keep it in, is there any other way to store food above ground that keeps it fresh? of course it would be canned food that lasts but still
>>710463
>its on an island so i cant dig a hole to keep it in
>buy pic related
>dig hole
>put pic related inside hole
>put supplies inside pic related
>problem solved
>>700653
Enjoy ; )
>>700654
>>700656
>>700677
>>700718
You sound like you're describing a Dark Souls new character inventory.
Living in London is a mixed blessing if S ever HTF. On the one hand you've got plentiful access to emergency services, communications, and underground stations to shelter in. On the other hand, if things ever got sinister and the government decided they wanted London locked down, you'd be fucked. Cctv cameras every hundred feet and a ready-made enclosed perimeter in the form of the M25. Plus if a Trident ever got fired, you have the cold comfort of knowing your backside is on ground zero.
I'm not a paranoid man but I'll be happier when I'm out of here, living a suburban life with a back-garden bunker/shelter and a basic set of survival gear. Preferably a shotgun too if I can buy a bit of land to justify owning it.
>>701596
>
what movie is that
>>711561
British parade, not a movie.
>>700653
The London riots cranked up to 11. Most city dwellers are ignorant and live in a bubble of a naive belief that the shops will always have their shelves stocked and their taps will always provide drinking water. Any sort of self reliance means you are a tip foil hat wearing weirdo that should be on a government watchlist.
So take the London riots and expand that to all 8 million citizens and instead of fighting for a free TV, they are fighting for their childrens next sip of water.
All hell will break loose on a scale you can't even imagine.
>>711670
This guy gets it. Op get some supplies with long shelf life, a sturdy door and bug in, that's it.
>all those niggers tho
London will be a complete nightmare. Even before the water runs out. When that happens the city will be positively death incarnate. Get out as soon as anything happens. If you wanna survive something habbeninz you need a different location on the country and a plan. If you dont have that you need to have a supply of water stocked. People forget about water. Even here on /out/ in this thread not too many mentions of this essential for our life. Take it as a telling example of how clueless modern man is about survival. Any megacity will be pandemonium. You cannot imagine. There will be difficulties you havent even ever considered, like having to live only with the feeling of constant boredom and constant terror. Most will want to die in a world lile that. And they will.
>>712015
>and they will
>implying you will not
>>712015
Nobody but you is taking water for granted or leaving it off their list of essentials.
>>700653
Get a kayak.
nodnol 871 selim
>>700718
Bugging in is never a Plan A. It is Plan D and is basically saying "im fucked, I either die right now or hide and hope I dont die tomorrow"
Getting outside a 200 miles circle of a population center should always 100% be your first 3 plans. You should have multiple ways of getting out of the city from several different locations inside the city
Population centers are death
Try and get a walkie-talkie/radio for your friends/family. In times of mass panic the phone lines go down because everyone is trying to contact/meet up with their loved ones.
If you didn't stock up for food prior to the habbening you're fucked, any shop selling essentials will be like black friday in the USA x 10000
Don't go down any main motorways/roads it will be packed with people either trying to go to Heathrow or generally towards the channel.
Taking any 4 wheel vehicle will pretty much end in tears, better to ride dirt bike since it can cut through traffic and go over rough terrain, only problem is the fuel and amount of luggage/passenger it can carry but that option can guarantee safer than car. If you are riding/driving ALWAYS do multiple safety checks before turning as it is likely people will be more concerned escorting their loved ones to safety than going over a red light.
If you plan on escaping by boat you would either have to own your own boat and have it locked up somewhere safe (even then it's likely someone will break in and steal it), there could possibly be military/police checkpoints ( >>710576 ) at large ports so it is better to go somewhere more discreet and less well known.
The main thing is to GTFO of London. Anyone who thinks its ok to stay is a fucking idiot that thinks that how people behave in TWD is accurate. >>702398 >>703429 >>707701 is a very naive view on how things would turn out. Only doctors would be valuable. But then again, anyone can claim they are a doctor just to get their foot in the door to safety. I guarantee if you try and get friendly with a gang you will be shot/stabbed. They didn't want to be your friend before the habbening why would they want to be after? Getting a crossbow is also useless.
>>703365
cant be arsed to point out all the flaws in this post
>>701575
I can guarantee almost any building that looks stable would be claimed and if by miracle you arrive at one good luck keeping people out of it. Also reinforcing doors/windows/walls takes a ton of manpower and resources, its like you think it ill just be laying around there
>If you can find police or military weaponry you are king, if not then find bows or make your own
Jesus this isn't america with weapon laying around left and right. You'd be lucky to find a taser.
>>710576
Staying in London would not be a blessing. It will be the ultimate chimpout. All emergency services will be busy and underground station is a death trap
tl;dr:
pretty much read >>712097
> dirtbike>car
>gtfo asap or youre fucked
>Best places to travel to are villages in the middle of bumfuck nowhere or coastal villages that are self sufficient and 30 years behind to the point that if SHTF they wouldn't even know because the only place that has internet connection is the local library. (also shotguns)
>>707753
>for the record, that radiator water is backup water. It has not gone near anyone yet, and when it does, it will be fully purified.
Kek. I love this guy. He is like /out/ prepper personified.
>>712493
>calls others naive
>paints an almost comical expectation of what will happen
sure is NEET in here
>>712807
Depends on what scenario the anon is talking about. Kiev looks completely different to what it looks like now before the riots.
move to pic related
>>700653
Since nogunz I hope you have at least started to lift, run and taken up some sort of martial art.
>>712807
What's your take on what would happen, say during an nationwide electrical blackout from emp or solar winds or the like? Power is out and will stay out for... who knows?
>>710514
Most disturbing film I've ever seen.
>>700653
why do you need a gun for your irrational fear of an apocalypse. Just get a bow, or make a cross bow or get a sword or something original
>>700653
You'll be able to live on Pakistani semen, OP.
>>713399
Watching it now, kinda slow start but speeding on now
>>712493
>Calls my write up based on what actually happened during Katrina and the London riots as well as basic prepper advice everyone here should follow by default naive
Wew lad, you sound like the result of a union between siblings.
>>713872
>I am a level 80 prepper, I have survived many a survival situation in my head
*tips fedora*
>>713886
I see /out/ has a shitposter problem too.
I can't even imagine how pathetic your life is to spend your days on the outdoors board of a Japanese cartoon website simply throwing out insults and ruining threads.
You must be very popular with women and have lots of friends.
>>713889
*[tipping intensifies]*
>>713889
Why so sensible? You're not to do well in the shtf with that mentality
>>700653
Have you ever seen Zulu? Your home is Rorke's Drift.
>>713889
You're a retard that has stupid fantasies about the apocalypse. Making plans and prepping won't do shit. For a full blown SHTF situation it will be every man for himself save people that are very close to them and it will not be the faggot with the most gear that survives but the most physically and mentally fit person. If you are /fit/ to the point where you can easily adapt to a chaotic situation quickly then your chances of survival are much higher than mr gear queer
>>702073
Yes, the riots were contained to areas which the dindus thought would contain important supplies for their families like wide screen TVs.
In a breakdown of society this will be expanded from everything like getting revenge on that banker who refused you that loan to actual supplies like food and medicine.
And it won't just be criminals doing it, it will be the entire 8,000,000 population of the city.
Don't forget that the rioters were opportunists and knew that eventually the police would take back control. Now remove any and all consequences and up the motivation to feeding their kids with the entire population in a frenzy.
My bet is that the shard will be torched because the bankers the bonuses.
>Be me
>Live in London
>SHTF
>Smugly load up the shotgun and supplies in my 4x4 and prepare to drive to bug out location.
>Suddenly catch an air rifle pellet in the face
>Oh God it hurts so bad
>Crossbow arrow now sticking out of leg
>Oh God
>Climb inside 4x4
>Air rifle pellets and crossbow arrows raining down on vehicle
>I can't see anymore
>buried forever in a pile of soft lead and carbon fibre
I would tell you to run, but that is what everyone would do and in a city of that size, everything would be gridlock and without any civil servants or public transport to actually make mass transit possible.
Bug in for at least 6 months, don't do anything to draw any attention to you like starting a fire or even throwing your bottled piss out of the window as all of that might on the off chance get you spotted. Especially if you are in a highrise and you have spent the last 6 months doing just that and think you are in the clear until some scavenger spots a horse size mound of shit on the ground floor beneath your window.
>>703164
Those dragon dildo guys are getting bold.
>>703365
Speaking of weapons, I wonder if a happening situation would jump start firearm production. Anyone with the right tools and knowledge can throw together a firearm.
I wonder if there are enough of both still around in Britain to do it once Big Brother is taken out of the picture.
Best chance of survival is to grab a bob, a cycle and a knife and get out quick. Ideally to a secure location.
Bugging in will only make it worse when your building gets targeted by the grand warlord of Fulham.
Any weapon like a shotgun/crossbow will make you an instant priority target.
>>717377
Where to get water for six months then
>>703410
Zip guns require shotgun ammunition though, where is he going to get that from?
An air gun should be a part of anyones equipment because yes, he should be using it to gather small game like birds and rabbits.
You wouldn't waste your real ammunition on them, well maybe a .22 if you are in America would make sense, but what he said for his situation is sound.
Thoughts on this lads?
http://www.merlinarchery.co.uk/compact-folding-survival-bow.html
I wonder how many people will try and inhabit in the old war rooms.
Join a reserve Infantry unit. If you are seriously fit and have the time, look into one of the UKSF reserve forces.
You will earn some money, learn a lot (combat first aid, absorbing, CRBN, map reading etc etc), build a network of actually useful men and be familiar with lots of different pieces of equipment. And if it really does go to end of the world you'll be one of the few people with a select fire weapon and the ability to use it.
>>712078
That idea is just backwards.
>>714924
Why are you repeating what I posted and then calling me wrong? You must be one hell of an inbred moron.
>>707753
That was a pretty cool show. Just watched it. Ta anon.
>>717448
The supermarket, why even ask?
>>717548
Remember anon, the only way to kill a tramp is a tin of beans to the head.
This may save your life some day.
>>717451
Agreed, effective defense weapons they may not be but essential for SHTF if you plan on living and hunting undetected. 10,000 shots for 5kg, easy to maintain. What's not to like?
>>703365
If people are trying to break in, nails won't hold the plywood. Use screws.
>>700653
Buy night-vision gear, so that you can travel at night without being seen. Wear Navy Blue instead of Black, as to blend into your background and not to make a silhouette. the first things you should acquire when you leave the city are water and shelter. Your body will tell you that you're hungry, but make sure to get the other two things first. That will allow you to survive long enough to find food. I'd recommend getting myself a pistol, too. Not for hunting, but self defense. I know you'll have to do it illegally...
>>700653
Where are you going to go if you manage to get out of the city? Go camp in some sheep field? You live on a flat island, you're pretty much fucked.
>>717957
>uk
> trying to buy an illegal pistol
You're gonna get in troubles m8. Unless you know the right people there's no way to you buy a gun without getting caught.
>>713426
Yeah, and you'll look real cute holding them while I shoot you.
>>717959
The reward may outweigh the risk. Another option would be making your own. You can even 3-d print guns at this point in time, though they won't last as long as manufactured guns.
>>717963
>The reward may outweigh the risk.
Tbh with you I can't see how. No eminent happening is on the way, the biggest threat are kebabs blowing shit up and not much that you can do against that. If you really want a gun go the legit way and acquire a shotgun for hunting or some sports license.
A nice semi auto hangun with lots of ammo would be nice, but that's only available for the Americanbros, even if you manage to buy a gun from the closest thief on your city will probably be a shitty ass revolver from the WW2 era that has criminal history attached to it.
Good luck getting robbed or killed by the seller and fucked in the prison when cops catch you.
>>717978
I was assuming this was a hypothetical situation... Revolvers are actually more reliable and in my personal opinion easier to shoot. A gun is going to be a good deterrent against thieves and such, too. Perhaps a fake gun could be useful.
If you are going to flee, cars, trains, all of them may as well be concrete blocks.
Invest in a good mountain bike and harness to attach your gear to and start building your endurance right now.
Something small like happened today is Brussels is enough to see how fucked up big city are if anything happens.
>>717999
>revolvers are more reliable
/k/ would like to have a word with you
>>719291
This is true, OP should examine the Brussels incident.
Brussels had three detonations while a total breakdown scenario would be total breakdown.
Brussels has a population of 1.2 million vs Londons nearly 9 million.
So look at all of the recent events and scale them up.
Also I think that raises an interesting question, how would terrorist organisations that we know exist, we know are organised and know are armed, take advantage of a breakdown situation? Would they just attempt to spread chaos by throwing shootings or bombing to the mix or would they work like an army and claim territory from others?
>>719821
I don't think they'd do any of that. Their missions are so high risk that they barely get away with the bombs they do manage to set off before they get shot. Organising like you suggest would take way too much effort and would vastly increase their chances of getting found out.
Plus the effectiveness of their actions is that it's an "anywhere, anytime" type of proposition. All they have to do is set off the tinder and the fire burns itself.
>>700653
Expect everything.
The people will already go ape when the stores are empty. People here aren't used to this kind of suffering. Most people never think about the possibility of a collapse, they feel that they live reality until it hits them.
Former criminals and outcasts will be leaders, simply because they are antisocial and daring.
Rape, murder or looting, it will happen instantly. Men will organize in gangs and will fight other gangs. Women will lose their status as fellow humans and will become a commodity.
The former criminals will keep by themself and will recruit new members.
The most secured and guarded places will be overrun first.
Key is to be as uninteresting as possible.
Religion will be a big factor. Muslims will unite, but as always they will also fight each other.
Most people will die though.
London needs~ 15.000 tons of food per day, if the infra structure collapses, people will die like flies. Also: You're on an "island" and in times of WW2 you're agricultural sector was only able to feed 30% of the population, you do the math. The absence of naval supply will throw you back into the stoneage in no time.
I wonder how quickly all of the old public shelters could be reactivated in the build up to some major event.
For that matter, do the government buildings like Whitehall, Parliament or even Buckingham palace even have their own bomb shelters or does their grade listed status prevent that sort of major building work?
>how would terrorist organisations that we know exist, we know are organised and know are armed, take advantage of a breakdown situation?
They would suffer like the rest of the population, they would also lack the supplies, their only advantage is being armed, and yes I have to admit that is an hell of a big advantage. Still it's not enough to thrive in the happening. Lots of armament will end up in the streets when military and command structures fall.
>>719874
>London needs~ 15.000 tons of food per day, if the infra structure collapses, people will die like flies.
Cannibalism would be a big thing then.
For me the most important thing is to survive during the beginning of the happening, being it financial collapse, pandemia, whatever. If you find yourself without liabilities (ill, kids, hurt) and far enough from the big population centers after population starts dropping, you can expect to have nice % to survive and overcome the whole event.
The lone survivor fantasy may be only that, a fantasy, but for me it's the right way to go. Communities will be ruthless and hell to live in since you'll to put yourself at risk in favor of others.
>>717384
I think firearm production would be huge and the people building firearms and making bullets would be extremely valuable. I suspect there would be many trading hubs and safe places where people could go and have a drink, trade, etc outside of that it's just anarchy. Firearm and weapon production would be huge, defensive buildings such as naval defenses, castles and towers would be used again after a proper worldwide collapse.
>>717458
Aren't they only 20 pound draw weight? A takedown recurve would be a lot more useful than that.
>>719874
This is what will happen.
>>720037
I personally don't think cannibalism will happen, most people even if starving wouldn't eat someone else.
Also, communities are vital. If you have a strong community that is well armed, knows how to use their arms and knows how to be self sufficient, you will survive the SHTF. you have to make sure it's a community of people who trust each other with their lives.
>>720041
>Aren't they only 20 pound draw weight?
Max is 60
>>720049
Alright mate. That's enough for a deer, and an unarmoured person.
see if a takedown recurve of the same draw weight is cheaper, and get that.
>>719874
I think the empty shop shelves are always the most important images we get out of third world countries and emergency zones.
People live in this weird dream where the shops will always have food on the shelves and reality hits them hard when shit hits the fan.
In the UK? Considering France got bombed last year and now Brussels is under siege, I'd say you could expect an attack and widespread panic. Get yourself a good machete, kukri, or hatchet as a self defence weapon while in the city and get innawoods as soon as possible. I don't think you really need a gun, you'd probably be better off with a bow because reusable ammunition and no sound, plus UK is a bitch about their guns.
>>720121
The police and special forces have been told to expect 10 simultaneous attacks:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-braced-10-simultaneous-isis-7600115
>>720098
what is it, like one day of interruption and those shelves are empty? it's amazing how little we think of it. i don't prep, i don't think about prepping. i know my place in the world and it's not to survive cataclysm. but we live on a knife's edge of one, two, three things going wrong and society just ends.
>>720151
1 like = 1 pray for UK fags
For once I'm glad to be in America.
>>720155
Sounds about right. Dubs confirm. I suffer from a chronic headache that I've had for 1.5 year now, so if anything I'm a survivor. I'm not gonna go over the top prepping, but I am gonna throw some MRE's, water, a tent, a med kit, duct tape, and an axe into a backpack just in case.
>>720158
anon, i don't think chronic headaches make you a survivor. quite the opposite in fact. you better be ubermensch come hell or high water.
>>720161
>come hell or high water
a bit too literal desu i realize
i meant when chaos and loss of control happens
>>720161
>>720164
Surviving a year and a half of unending, pounding pain inside your head that cannot be cured without either killing myself or going ballistic kinda makes me a survivor. Coming to the sad realizations that it can't be fixed no matter what doctor I go to, test I have, medicine I take, cuz I've tried all of them... And continuing to maintain concious, rational thought? Well it's gotta count for something. And I'm sure if I can handle it for this long, I can handle getting myself to a safe situation with 3 years of Tae Kwon Do under my red belt and my collection of knives. That's why I'm trying to learn all I can about survival during my downtown so I know what to do when shit happens.
>>720173
>downtown
Fuck auto replace. I meant down time. Jesus Siri why you gotta hate me?
>>720173
>>720174
Okay so maybe I exaggerated a bit, I'm not a legit survivor guy but I've proved to myself that I'm resilient and not going down without a fight. I'm not /fit/ and I'm not an /out/doorsman but I don't plan on giving up when shit hits the fan, I want to be at least partially prepared to make it easier to get innawoods when I need to. That's why I'm on here.
>>719874
As part of a cold war study into nuclear war and the inevitable collapse of infrastructure it was determined that the island of Great Britain can support a population of 2,000,000 fed by subsistence farming, the current population is close to 64,000,000.
The breakdown was determined to cause more deaths than the nuclear exchange.
That study is where the guys who made Threads got most of their information.
Does /out/ have any way to identify members during a breakdown situation? I know /pol/ does, so any special thing here other than that bear at the picnic table?
>>720274
What reason do you have to trust anyone from /out/ in person?
>>720041
I'm not sure what to call the town I set up in the nearby castle, either Novac or Barter Town.
>>720155
I worked in a Tesco as a shelf stacker briefly and let me tell you now, there is not some cellar or store room filled with things ready to put on the shelves. What you see is what we have in stock.
There is a walk in fridge that will have a few cages of dairy or meat, stuff that gets sold very quickly.
The way it worked was that the tills recorded everything sold and alerted the packing centre of what was running low. We would get at least two lorries full of what needed to be put on the shelves every 8 hour shift and this was the night shift I was working where there would be much less demand.
Basically any disruption of mere hours and we are utterly fucked. Throw panic buying in the mix and the shelves would be empty almost instantly.
Better brush up on your Ray Mears. Dog food is fit for human consumption in the UK, both wet and dry. When the siren goes off the first thing you should do is fill up your bath so you have 300 litres of drinking water. To make water drinkable use 2 drops of non-scented bleach per litre, double that if it is cloudy or boil for at least 10 minutes.
Get the SAS survival guide and books on foraging and see what is growing in your local area, what the locals would just walk past.
>>720545
I don't but I know they would probably be more useful at least than some nobody who sits at a desk all day.
You shouldn't ever trust anybody if shit hits the fan because given the right circumstances your best friend will smash your skull in for a can of Coke.
>>720555
True that. Trips confirm.
Does anyone know how much juice those solar panels you see on roof tops can generate?
To cover the expense they must be useful in lowering power cost therefore they must generate something you can use.
Can they run a radio? A TV? A PC? A freezer?
>>703658
Yes just look at all those whites who were rioting in London and Ferguson.
>>721038
Go back to /pol/ with all of your racism. There is no proof that it was the persons of colour doing all of the rioting in London.
What was the name of that programme shown on sky 1 years ago where that SAS guy Chris Ryan went through a different scenario in each episode? One was a nationwide EMP blackout, another was a pandemic etc and the episode would show you what shit would go down and what you should do to minimise the danger.
I remember the advertisement for it had him walking down a street saying that danger lurks everywhere and at any moment you could be kil... then he gets run over by a car before he can finish the sentence.
>>705286
That was pretty tame, people throwing trash at cops in riot gear...LMAO.
>>710496
You'd be better served taking the Kydex and making body armor out of it. In a land without guns you'd be a god.
>>720056
A kid in my town had a friend shoot him with a broad head because he wanted to see if his PASGT would stop it, it didn't. So I think you would be okay with anyone wearing soft armor.
>>721632
anecdotal
>>721641
Yeah but it's pretty well know a broad head with some ass behind it will go through kevlar.
>>721643
Bodkin Tips for the win.
The original armor piercing round.
>>721662
>you and your lads will never put down a smug knight with longbows
>>721632
So did he die or just suffer damage brain?
>>720554
So how do I keep clean?
>>722656
That depends entirely on your circumstances and what resources you have available to you.
If you have little water I wouldn't waste it bathing, just the basics like after handling raw meat and after taking a shit.
You can buy waterless soaps designed for camping, but you obviously wouldn't dedicate the sort of space you would need to have 1 year+ of them and would be better off using that space for drinking water/food/medical supplies etc.
I doubt that there would be many lakes in the city that you could filter and boil and even if there were the type of happening might rule out using it i.e. if there was a nuclear detonation or dirty bomb the water would be riddled with fallout and no amount of filtering and boiling can remove that.
So unless you have stockpiled it, you will obviously need to "liberate" some by scavenging, which might get you caught and raped/enslaved/killed/rubs the lotion on its skin. Just remember to fill the bath and any available containers when shit hits to supplement your existing stockpile. The back of your toilet contains drinkable water too.
You will just have to make do and drinking is infinately more important than bathing, but then you can get into the infection issues and in a world without easily available anti-biotics and doctors something minor to us could be fatal.
It's a shitty situation.
>>722726
>I doubt that there would be many lakes in the city that you could filter and boil and even if there were the type of happening might rule out using it i.e. if there was a nuclear detonation or dirty bomb the water would be riddled with fallout and no amount of filtering and boiling can remove that.
distillation would do it, though that requires fuel to work on any sort of scale
>>722726
>if there was a nuclear detonation or dirty bomb
this will not happen. ever.
>>722818
It's funny that you say that because islamic state has smuggled all sorts of nasty things into Europe.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/67232630/
As you can see from that allarmingly large amount of sources, the European Parliament has confirmed that islamic state have smuggled CRBN material into Europe.
This invasion of Europe is one of the biggest threats in the modern age.
>>722844
>/pol/
Anon pls. And isis is shrinking instead of getting bigger. Assad's troops are even pushing them further back, and this without western aid.
>This invasion of Europe is one of the biggest threats in the modern age
Now this is just retarded (your point, not you). Terrorist attacks are indeed a real threat but Europe being invaded by some goatfuckers is just ridiculous. Not even if turkey would join them they could do it.
Anything involving nuclear of any kind is just spreading fear like they did with Best Korea all over again.
Now, I'm not saying that people should not be prepared against some adverse event, they should, but keep it reasonable.
>>722856
I knew the first reaction would be
>/pol/
But refute the sources, like I said, one of the reports is from the European parliament itself, what more of a source do you need?
islamic state in the Middle East is shrinking but they have had an unimaginable number of agents sneak in with the rest of the human plague allowed to march into our home unfiltered.
I mean the Brussell bombing which probably sparked OP to make this thread was done by two members of islamic state who snook into Europe pretending to be refugees.
This is not tinfoil hat territory, this is concrete fact.
islamic state has agents in europe and they have some form of CRBN capacity, doubtful it is nuclear but a dirty bomb is well within the realm of possibility, not that any other of those lovely letters aren't equally terrifying.
>>722866
Well first desu with you I only read the first link that redirected to Guardian's page, and again, I'm with you that terror attacks are indeed a problem that should be take very serious, not denying that.
As for the rest, no they'll not conquer Europe. Fuck man, if we Europeans go full berserk, we would purge the whole IS out of earth in less than a year, and take the mudslim communities Europe with them.
from today
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510689/Battle-Palmyra-rages-ISIS-Assad-s-Syrian-army-new-drone-footage-shows-bloodstains-terrorists-executed-victims.html
>Bashar al-Assad's forces marched into Palmyra yesterday after ten months
two members of islamic state who snook into Europe pretending to be refugees
Even with all kebabs entering Europe with rapefugee status (which is absolutely criminal and Merkel should be accounted for it) the only thing they can do are isolated attacks, they can't overrun EU armies.
>two members of islamic state who snook into Europe pretending to be refugees
Now this is jus a lie, they were born in Belgium.
>I mean the Brussell bombing which probably sparked OP to make this thread
thread was already up before the attacks.
>tl;dr since my english is a bit shit to understand my point
I agree with you and Europe should btfo those fuckers but I fail to see them as a real threat to Europe's future.
>tfw I live in a small city away from major population centers in a country that had 0 terror attacks in its history.
>>722880
When I said invasion I was talking about the rapefugees as they are an army by any other name.
As I keep saying, the European Parliament has confirmed CRBN capacity has been snook into Europe with islamic state aligned rapefugees.
If you just want to shitpost and insult then fuck off elsewhere.
>>722900
>shitpost and insult
What? where did I insulted you or shitposted? That was uncalled, man.
>>719370
B-b-but the black guy in "The Wire" said revolvers don't jam!!!!
>>722927
>where did I insulted you or shitposted?
>tl;dr since my english is a bit shit to understand my point
Which was in greentext along with the quotes from my post.
>>722954
you tell em man, what they really need is some Deagle brand Deagles.
>>722958
And where in hell that is an insulte? I was just saying that english is not my native language and that my grammar is kinda hard to understand sometimes.
>>722970
Yet you did that in green text which was what you did to quote the rest, meaning you said the one you quoted had terrible English and can't get their point across.
>>722973
whatever m8
>>712097
>200 miles circle of a population center
yeah , but the guy is in England ; for example the furthest you can get from the Coast is 70miles.
And [sticking-with that 70number[ I haven't looked at a Map but I imagine the lowest density area is North-West Scotland - and apart from some horrible wind-swept islands I imagine there is nowhere up there that is more than 70 miles from a Town.
>>723061
This is not a drill!
I hope you have learnt something valuable OP.
>>723068
http://maps.gisforthought.com/scotland_population/
You will be safe in London, muslims wouldn't bomb their own.
>>723707
Yeah, look at all middle east. ;_;
>>723707
>muslims wouldn't bomb their own
nigga you dumb, that's all muzzies do is bomb each other
>>700752
Why does the guy on the left have so many legs?
>>723945
Decoy legs, the terrorists won't know which ones to shoot which buys him time to drop kick them all in the balls.
It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.
>>724412
Now is this supposed to be a representation of the food items or the actual one years supply? It seems way too little for the latter.
>>703592
I bought this book based on your recommendation annon. Yet to read it though.
>>726774
The other poster was Alex Scarcrow. He is counting his Shekels, laughing.
>>724671
It's probably enough to keep you alive for a year, not necessarily full. Don't count on getting the full 2000k or whatever a day in a situation like this. People are going to have to learn how to ration food, or die. This is why the obese countries wont last too long.
>>700653
You can illegally buy a handgun pretty easily in London
>>727195
I'd like to add they make you buy magazines seperate; unloaded.
They may or may not have ammo to sell you.
>>727195
And how do you know that?
>>727207
I don't sell guns you meme
>>727195
Yeah but it's going to be some hunk of shit re-de-activated pistol or a pellet gun converted to firing a real .22. You would probably fire off one or two rounds before it breaks apart. We have all seen those photos of the collections police have stolen from citizens, most of them are really hack DIY projects.
Better than nothing? Yes. Something reliable I would feel comfortable in putting my families safety on? Not on your life.
>>727214
Don't you, don't you, anon? C'mon don't lie to us.
>>721101
kek
>>710514
>>713399
>>713528
Thread reminder to watch Threads.
https://vimeo.com/18781528
>>726859
Bought it second hand, ex library book. So no shekels.
>>727262
Everyone should always watch Threads anyway, it's an important film.
>>709200
I hate the internet. Too much information is at my fingertips. I'm glad I live in an area where crime rates are next to nothing at all. I guess that's the upside of living in B.F.E. in a town that's one of the whitest white bread places on Earth.
>>727398
Don't let it lull you into a false sense of security, where you live is great, for now.
Once they have grown bored of picking off the scraps from our bones they will move on to greener pastures until they have consumed it all.
>>700653
whereabouts you at my man
I wonder if the cuisine the citizens eat will impart flavour on their meat when we resort to cannibalism.
Will Indians taste like curry, Jamaicans taste like jerk seasoning and Orientals taste like dog?
Politicians always say multculturalism benefits the food.
>>727398
Iceland?
>>727734
Iceland is filled with mums only and there are no girls on the internet.
Does anyone have any experience with hydroponic or aquaponic systems? Are they really the be all and end all in self sufficiency?
>>729383
>We will never get a real film adaptation of war of the worlds
America was invented too early, or film was invented too late.
>>724671
Olive oil 900kcal per 100ml. 2 sips and you're done for the day
>>700653
Most likely scenario is the 2010 riots on a larger scale. Your best bet is: Stay inside, lock your doors, don't live above a shop, and don't live in a majority black area. Sorry Blackbongs, but you know it's true - I didn't see footage of Musbongs and Jewbongs looting shops, and the few Whitebongs who joined in were mostly total chavscum who speak like Tim Westwood.
>>703654
*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*
>>730187
He's probably full of it, but I wouldn't discount the idea so quickly.
What is it the Met say they gather every year, hundreds of black market guns?
Only way to get guns is though the dark web m8. Utter waste of money in the UK, cost a ridiculous amount, for the gun and ammo and you will ever use it...
If you want a gun and be able to use it do it the legit way, its not hard unless you're a total peasant. Also move out of the London...
>>730795
>though the dark web
>dark web
lol
>>730795
>Only way to get guns is though the dark web m8.
You don't actually believe this, do you? Strict gun laws didn't make the streets safer, nor did they lessen circulation of illegal firearms. It's a ruse and you fell for it.
> Utter waste of money in the UK, cost a ridiculous amount
Well, if you choose to trust Met officials as your source of information, that could be considered a valid argument; however, Britain is still de facto awash with - and will probably always be awash with - illegal firearms. Where there's a will, there's a way. Scrap together a few thousand pounds, get in contact with shady people and get yourself a gun. Not being an autistic, asocial, anxious sperglord helps.
>and you will never use it...
There is no possible way to know whether or not one will be in need of a firearm at some point of one's life. Praying for the best and not preparing for the worst is darwinism at work. Enjoy dying as an unarmed pleb.
>>730877
I'm not even that guy but just by your post I can see that you're the stereotypical amerifat gun lover that everyone despises. Guess what most of the world has no guns and they're doing fine.
B-but muh dindus, muh terrorists, muh cereal killers, muh governmint, muh illegal guns in every city kek go back to >>>/k/ with your bullshit that no one gives a fuck.
Are there edible fish in the Thames or is it a toxic cesspit that can't sustain life?
>>730182
The thought of being in London, surrounded by Redguards full of fuck whitey and fuck the man fever, during a city wide riot, with arson directed at business, without being able to defend myself is terrifying. I feel for the Londoners like I do the white South Africans.
Every night I kiss my guns in gratitude.
>>730795
>its not hard unless you're a total peasant
Kill yourself.
>>730882
This is terrible bait. I thought this board was above shitposting.
>>700653
A nuke landing on your head.
Flooding because the flood defenses fail.
Mass exoduses, followed by mass starvation as the food stops being trucked in.
Buy an inflatable boat, it's going to be the only way out of the city come an apocalypse.
