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>>688737
Novice. I have had this gerber for quite sometime, manufactured survival knife with flint and a sharpening tool attached to the sheath. It feels very sturdy and is a little heavy but other than that what do you think of it as a starter?
>>692627
>gerber
Gerber is trash, and serrations are more trash. Sorry.
>It is not bad per se, but for the money you could have a really good knife.
>>692641
>Gerber is not trash.
but it is anon it is pure shit.
at least for the price range if it was china cheap it would be quiet ok.
Recently bought the carbon steel bush knife from varusteleka. I like big knives, pretty happy with it so far
>>692643
It's not shit.
You fell for the Bear Grills meme. It's very decent for the price. They have some very good designs and they're still widely used.
>>692643
that's just an epic meme
Thinking if picking up a guardian 3 for an edc knife
Light enough
Follows all state rules on knives
I can even get one with a g10 handle that matches my favorite shirt
Any reason not to? Other then the lofyy price?
>>692608
Fuck yeah back in business, good to see you op
>>692641
not all gerbers are trash, new ones are and the BG line definitely is
serrations aren't trash though, that's the meme
>>692697
>serrations aren't trash though,
have fun whittling or doing light chores with serrations
>they are useless, unless you have to cut a lot of cordage on a daily basis.
There is already a knife general thread on /k/. Except they aren't 12 and spell it correctly.
>in before stupid 70's movie nobody has seen
>>692735
Oh yeah, so there is. Look what I found there. It's obviously of a higher caliber than this one. I mean, just look what I found there!
>>692627
I'm sorry for your purchase.
>>692727
>have fun whittling or doing light chores with serrations
That's how I know you dont know shit about knife use and you're just a youtube sperg.
>>692740
that's the most amazing knife collection i have ever seen in my entire life
>>692740
Cringe/10
>>692740
>>692740
The chinese are coming.
>>692751
Thanks fo the ad hominem.
>serrations are useless, thats why find em only on tacticool shit
>>692770
> 4.6MB
Pls stahp
>>692608
>>692794
Probably pine.
>>692643
The made in portland gerbers are actually quite good for the cost. The brand just isnt consistent, but you cant' successfully generalize about their knives.
>>692833
>made in portland gerbers
they don't exist anymore tho at least to my knowledge
>>692833
they are SHIT SHIT SHIT
you can get schrades for less which are BETTER THAN YOUR PIECE OF SHIT GERBERS
schrade, becker, ontario, many many better options in the price range
fuck gerber, and fuck you
>>692957
relax guy
embrace the gerber
>>692608
I just got a one of these.
http://www.rakuten.com/prod/victorinox-54875-swiss-army-knife/210906324.html?listingId=267081570&sclid=pla_google_AdoramaCamera&adid=29963&rmatt=tsid:1012713%7ccid:235954249%7cagid:13933641889%7ctid:pla-98310673729%7ccrid:60879540769%7cnw:g%7crnd:17364919972528919553%7cdvc:m%7cadp:1o4&gclid=Cj0KEQiAuqC2BRDVxMSnpa-mhZoBEiQAFta8weoLqeTC2XMzTU4x_uE8i0QzK53zrrjMNx6gPoh8cIIaAsgS8P8HAQ
It was on clearance. After tax, I paid 32.50. Sticker said $60.
I gave it a chance and it feels really good in my hand. It seems sturdy enough for a multitool...
Planning on EDC with it because I lost my old gas station folder on a job site.
I have a bigger full tang workhorse close by most of the time.
Anybody else with an opinion on it?
I am optimistic.
Pic related
>>692608
I bought a used Ontario SP1 for $28.
Did I do good?
>>693122
do you like it? if yes, then yes. if no, then no
>>693129
I like it, and have had good history with Ontario Knives. Just wondering if it is a good /out/ knife.
>>693122
Tip shape bad for skinning. Blade lenght a bit too long for convenient use. What is that blade shape even designed for?
>>693138
while i dislike the whole tactical knife fad, that design is for soldiers to be multifunctional. i wouldnt say the tip is terrible for skinning, but point being the design is a knife for combat, bushcraft, and etc rolled into 1. inspired by the bowie i would imagine
>>693138
its basically the modern iteration of a bayonet
>>693142
Tip shape is extremely bad for skinning, because it points upwards. It makes it really hard to use when drawing the line. Otherwise it looks robust, but design isn't really functional for normal use.
yuropoor here,
whats the point of such a knife? its literally called hoodlum
i've camped my entire life but never posted on /out/ before pls b gentle
>>693186
It has no point at all desu. Welcome to /out/ m8
Weather is kinda shit today, but still made for a pleasant hike innawoods. Greetings from yurp.
>>693200
Crap. Sorry for the sideways picture. Posting from my phone.
>>693200
New knife, polish fag?
>>693200
what's the brand/model of that knife?
>>693144
Trailing point knives are used for skinning a lot though
>>693186
if they removed that notch it wouldn't be all that bad. that notch is what fucks up the blade and the heat treat and makes them hoodlums break.
>>693186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdby3NvyAYQ
basically, but they most often than not break when batoned.
if the notch is worth it so you can score bone and wood and lift cattle off the fire, is the real question.
>>693253
Look up jx2 jessmuk. Besides two preorder runs they did last year, this literally hit retailers like two weeks ago.
>>693286
Oh, it's a jessmuk :) neat.
Will I look like a weeb carrying an higonokami?
>>693323
I'd say more like a hipster. Higonokamis aren't very popular to carry around.
>>693275
I would get one if it let me lift cattle off the fire
>>693331
I can deal with that.
But I'm not sure if using this for the lanyard would be going too far.
>>693343
That's the impression I don't want to give because I despise anime, manga and weebs.
>>693323
>>693338
>>693353
go for it, post pics please
>>693084
I have the same model, pic related. Overall I'd say it's an 8/10, 9/10 for the price. Locking blade is a plus, but I would prefer if they offered it with the blade in a better steel than the standard Inox SAK uses. The saw is amazing and very useful. It doesn't lock but I haven't found that to be a problem. The can opener is also surprisingly good, and the locking large flathead is nice as well. The toothpick I usually use for cleaning out any pocket lint that gets in it. Also the awl and philips head have a bit of play when open and can snag you if you don't apply pressure evenly. I usually carry this every day with a benchmade. This I find I actually use more.
In other thread related news I have an Opinel #8 on the way, which I figured I'd give a try for $12.00. How do people like theirs, in general it seems reviews are pretty positive.
>>693372
Keanu as Spike
I want this to fucking happen
>>693186
It's one of the most retarded knives in recent history.
It has a shit notch that makes the knife break
It's laser cut and mass produced despite having a semi-custom price
Handle has a shit-tier finger choil and a shit-tier bump on the back
It's endorsed by Ron Hood as if it was his own knife, despite the man using Busse knives himself.
The point of such a knife is that some autist or outist buys it.
>>693421
>despite the man using Busse knives himself.
sauce on that?
>>693422
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seAevIIfUxY
Battle Mistress and some other busse I can't name.
He knew what was up.
>>693422
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-JEctyHOs
Does anybody have any first hand experience with Cosmo Knives?
This guy is able to make knives with a S90V core laminated with STAINLESS Damascus. Insane steel tech but for the $600 - $900 price tag i'd like to hear from somebody who has handled one.
>>693446
Not worth it at all.
Just judging for the shape and the blade / handle ratio.
I'd waste 600$-900$ on something else, like for example doing cool shit outdoors.
>>693421
yeah for the price i would rather buy a busse.
but i wouldn't buy a busse in general cause fuck that i can have like 20-30 decent knives from ones price.
>>693452
Dont be a goyim and buy second hand.
High and very high quality brands are optimal for buying second hand.
I'd even dare say that you can confidently buy second hand high quality knives used and even heavily used, especially Busses.
I know they all go up in price but it's well worth it if you spend some time looking for sweet deals.
I spent 275 on a Basic 11 and I dont regret it at all.
>>693446
that's pretty fuckin cool. i'll never have that much cash to blow on a knife though.
>>693456
my most expensive knife i ever bought is like $20.
paying hundreds of dollars on a piece of steel is just plain insane.
if a cheap knife eventually breaks (most likely never will but whatever) it's no big loss just buy an other one.
>>693465
i disagree. No one says you can't buy a good knife without spending hundreds, but that mentality of "not buying good knives on purpose" is just wrong, and sounds an awful lot like compensating for not being able to afford a good one.
There's a saying, "a poor man can't afford to buy cheap stuff".
And you're paying for more than just a piece of steel. You can make that argument that with two identical knives, one of which is a limited edition 1 of 20 with glow-in-the-dark coating and carbon fiber scales.
But when you compare a 15 dollar mora (which cuts stuff), and something like a skookum bush tool (also scandi grind, similar size blade, etc), which uses a higher end steel (a2, o1, or 3v), full tang, better handle profile, etc - there's a big difference.
It's not $180 difference (which is the difference in price, as a skookum costs approx $200), but that's called diminishing returns - you pay a lot more, for a small increase in performance, but if you can spend that extra cash to get the knife that'sperfect for you, there's no reason you shouldn't.
>>693482
it's all about priorities in your life anon.
if my life depended on a knife to be perfect i would spend a thousand dollars it would be pocket change.
but even a shitty knife beat not having one a million times and a very good knife is at best twice as good as the worst one that can be still considered with a sane mind.
for me simply not worth it to go above the $10-20 level. having a similarly cheap backup blade will solve all of your "what if it breaks on you" worries. well if it breaks i will have an other one.
moras are fine.
>>693447
To be fair though I would probably get the 6" version pictured here but in the Damascus.
It's going to get hard use but the price is more justified by the art and the steel than what may or may not be somebody's favorite blade shape. Hell I might even order it with a Wharncliffe/seax blade shape.
>>693482
>It's not $180 difference (which is the difference in price, as a skookum costs approx $200), but that's called diminishing returns - you pay a lot more, for a small increase in performance, but if you can spend that extra cash to get the knife that'sperfect for you, there's no reason you shouldn't.
Maybe there's no reason for you, but for me it is.
If I'm paying 200 bucks for literally anything I expect it to be worth the price tag, same if it was 5 or 10000 bucks.
>>693084
A great knife that will serve you well.
>>693489
For that price you can get a PERFECT knife made to your specs that is custom-made.
If the knife is not perfect it's not worth it, and that knife has a retarded guard.
If it has no lifetime warranty against any kind of abuse dont even think about it. Seriously.
>>693084
how is the opening and general ergos?
my main issue with every victorinox i ever touched i hated how they open.
>>692608
I take 3 things in the woods. My Kershaw beater, a bolt action shotgun for pigs and a .22 for rabbits
>>693510
is the .22 a rifle or pistol?
Sorry if that's a silly question, just trying to picture seeing you in the woods.
>>693503
It will not open fast or with a flick, but I can open mine smoothly with one hand. Closing takes getting used to because the liner lock is reversed from the kind found on most knives.
>>693491
no one says it isn't worth the price tag. Great ergonomics, and quality are worth those 200+ bucks for me. That's why you can get people to pay extra monies for the exact same knife, but with fancy wooden scales instead of plain old micarta.
Otherwise - show me which part of the knife is "price". Is it part of the handle, or part of the blade?
A better knife is a better knife. If you take price out of the equation, the difference is clear.
Just ask yourself - if you could choose between a mora, and something like a busse, and you were getting the knife for free, would you have any reason to go for the mora?
And back to the retarded spelling of knife..
>>693518
so basically you can adapt your tools to your perceived needs instead of adapting to the tools you have at hand...
i have no such problems, you give me any knife even a shitty bear grylls knife for free i will take it over anything i would pay money for. and when it breaks or chips or whatever i will either work around it and still use it to stuff or get an other one.
>Just ask yourself - if you could choose between a mora, and something like a busse, and you were getting the knife for free, would you have any reason to go for the mora?
well only reason would be weight and bulk, the busse is sexy as hell and i would do choose it, but carry it instead of a mora when i don't explicitly need a knife? i don't know.
>>693497
I wasn't asking about that knife in particular I was talking about his skill and metallurgical abilities. Because he IS a custom knife maker and these are examples of some of his typical styles he ships to showrooms and brings to trade shows.
He has a lifetime warranty and Lifetime free maintenance including sharpening.
That's why I asked for anybody with experience having this knife in hand or using it, Because I didn't want somebody rating a knife shitty/10 based on a single profile pic of the knife.
I have enough experience with outdoor knives that I don't need somebody telling me their personal biases to try to sway my decision when I have already owned and used almost every knife style out there.
Notes on edge brittleness are more useful than 'retarded guard'
>>693525
yeah, i probably should have chosen two knives that were more alike (like mora and skookum), but the point still stands.
If I can choose what knife I will have with me, I choose to have a better one, instead of a shittier one.
Hey - if you need to get shit done, you can use the tracker for whatever, and it will work, but you can also use something lighter, with a much better handle, and you will get stuff done as well, most likely with less effort.
>>693518
>Just ask yourself - if you could choose between a mora, and something like a busse, and you were getting the knife for free, would you have any reason to go for the mora?
DESU I might go for the mora, depending on the task, versus some of the big fat busse knives that get posted here repeatedly.
>>693537
see the post above. Kinda reflected on that when I hit the post button.
>>693540
i'm so confused right now :)
here's a knife i found that makes me bleed out the nose when looking at it
Looking for suggestions for a cheap EDC folding knife.
After doing some research, is there any reason to pick low tier Spyderco stuff like ambitious or tenacious over some chink stuff like Ganzo?
My current #1 contender is the Ontario Rat 1.
>>693536
>most likely with less effort.
that's the thing the difference in effort is negligible with proper technique.
i like big knives i really do but i don't find it rational to carry them or give money for them (especially if you won't have a need for them) unless you have just way too much money.
a $10 mora and a $10 hatchet can do more than your $300 big knife and that is a fact (it will also weight the same). if i was expecting a fight i might reconsider if i want to carry a huge blade on my hip or not tho just in case.
the falseness of the survival knife ethos is the "one blade/tool" thing. why would you only have one blade/tool if you go out? doesn't make sense to me.
i would rather have 3 cheap blades than one expensive for several reasons aside from the obvious that you can lose one easily enough.
>>693554
rat1 is pretty solid. If you can get to ~65 bucks, i'd strongly recommend the delica4. Otherwise, I think there's a new byrd out in cts bd1 steel for 45 bucks (it's called the raven 2).
>>693554
Ontario rat1 is your best bet,
consistency is the reason to go for spyderco, kershaw, ontario instead of ganzo. You might get a good ganzo, you might get a shitty ganzo with blade play and a broken lock. But you know you will get a good spyderco.
Take a look at the spyderco byrd cara cara, tenacious, and Kershaw thermite depending on your style
>>693489
that knife looks insanely sharp
>>693554
A lot of people will probably recommend the Rat. For lower cost spydercos, I like spyderco delica for daily pocket carry, but it's around twice the price of the RAT, and not everyone would agree with me. It's a lockback, which has some pros and cons.
Most ganzo knives I get are fine but they can occasionally be rough around the edges on some models. They tend to run a little thick and heavy, which I don't love for edc. Also it's a chinese copy company so no warranty, if you even care, and whatever additional issues might go along with that.
>>693556
>the falseness of the survival knife ethos is the "one blade/tool" thing. why would you only have one blade/tool if you go out? doesn't make sense to me.
that's how the TBT was invented.
But that's another story.
Personally, I don't count price among the features of a knife, for the reasons listed above.
Simply put - price is an abstract figure when it comes to things like blade length, grind, steel, etc. - it just doesn't compute, for the simple fact that you could end up paying $400 for a mora (if you're stupid enough), or you could get a $400 knife for free (because the maker likes you) - price tag is not a physical part of the knife.
And I don't consider spending money on a high quality knife "having way too much of it". I just don't follow that mentality of "you should never buy expensive knives, because you can buy cheap ones".
No one *needs* a ferrari to get around.
No one *needs* to jump out of a working airplane.
No one *needs* a 10-grand camera to take vacation photos.
But people do it anyway, and they're not wrong.
>>692740
Do you have "Damaged" tatooed on your forehead?
>>693572
That one is made with CPM S35VN. Not as hard as CPM S90V but still takes and holds an edge at least 2x better/longer than 440, AUS-8 or 8Cr13MoV.
I'm not really knife savvy, so what's a decent knife that i could get in the uk for under £40?
>>693583
a bit more info please? what do you need the knife for?
>>693503
It feels good in my hand.
And I second everything that the other reply says.
>>693590
just general bushcraft and camping, I also like to fish but I have a knife for that already.
>>693514
It's a rifle. Pistols are pretty useless out here
>>693599
then you might want to check out Ahti. Can't remember if they fit under 40 quid, but some of them might. Also helle, but they can be more expensive.
>>693559
>>693571
>>693573
Thanks for the input.
I have no problem with lockback, I actually like it, but I'd like to spend no more than 30€. I'm also buying from EU so shipping raise the Spyderco prices.
I've seen some hard use reviews of ganzo knives, specially g704 but honestly I don't give a fuck if the knife can handle piercing stainless steel or batoning since I'm not going to do that, and I prefer the 4 way clip position, lanyard hole and satin blade on the RAT.
>>693574
>No one *needs* a ferrari to get around.
you do realize that usually people who do that have more money than i will ever see in my life as pocket change right?
people don't buy ferraris, richfags do. richfags can buy all the $400 knives for all i care. i bet they will be good knives.
>No one *needs* a 10-grand camera to take vacation photos.
i don't know the price ranges of cameras but most people i know use their phones. that is the equivalent of grabbing a kitchen knife or an edc folder and go outdoors.
Picked up this PM2 last week, loving it so far. I'm using it as an EDC knife at work, and a second blade when /out/
>>693616
So where is the conversation at this point approximately?
It's OK to spend your own money on a knife as you see fit? It's OK for other people to spend their own money on a knife as they see fit?
>>693638
no lanyard?
>>693643
i'm just saying if you are a richfag buy busse if not i wouldn't but whatever, it does tick me off a bit when people fling shit about "hurr durrr don't buy a shit knife under $300!" because i find that approach to be retarded in general. i know murrifags can buy these knives cheaper for me the price would be +60% and also know their average wage is about 4 times more, but that would mean they should buy knives at $60 tops for outdoors use but that's just my opinion.
see it this way, the custom knife making requires about $5-$90 worth of steel (depending on size) and about 8 hours of work (including handle). that means on average a custom knife should be around $150 if us made and $50 if locally made here.
so for me to pay $480 for a "custom" or more like handmade knife instead of $50 is just insanity. and paying $50 instead of a $10 mora is again borderline insane since they can do roughly the same for me. even if i prefer the looks of the more expensive one even if i can use it for more stuff instead of an axe even if it's better for fighting these things are not typical use of a knife.
>>693682
>"hurr durrr don't buy a shit knife under $300!"
I completely agree, it irks me too.
I'm just hoping we could maybe come to a point someday where "hurr durrr don't buy a shit knife under $300!" and "hurr durrr don't buy a shit knife over $20!" are things we say less to people who we don't know.
But,if you really to get into the price discussion, that's cool. I don't mean to be telling you to shut up at all. Carry on. :)
>>693682
it rustles my jimmies as well when I see those "if your knife is not X expensive, it is shit", but it's not that different from "hurr durr, my 20 dollar junk is just as good as your 200 dollar premium".
You pay 200 dollars, you don't get 10x the quality of a 20 dollar knife, but you do get better steel, better fit and finish, better ergonomics, better aesthetics (not really relevant to performance).
Typically, a handmade, semi-custom will run you anywhere between 130, and 200 bucks, which is par for the course.
Paying more gets you exclusivity - short runs by famous knifemakers, extra attention to detail, and exotic materials. Prime example of this is damascus - at this point in time, damascus is entirely superfluous, but it's expensive, and damascus knives fetch high prices.
I certainly won't agree that it's "insanity" to buy a better knife if you can afford it.
Going by that logic, no one has any buisness owning a smartphone, since a nokia 3310 also does the job. Granted, that's a rather extreme example, but you get my point.
>>693609
Also is this legit?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-shipping-Ontario-Rat-Model-1-AUS-8-Steel-G10-Handle-Folding-tactical-Knife/291676244493?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Da40104cade384f81aa5e7536b3f4e406%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D361307032171
I've seen them going for 50€ in my country.
>>693700
>Going by that logic, no one has any buisness owning a smartphone
bad example, i think it's more like nobody that needs a smart phone should buy an ipad for $949.99 or even more when you can buy a decent android phone for $100-150.
but even that does not come close to the discrepancy in usable knives made of good enough steel machined in third world wages compared to premium steel and handmade in the us.
>>693705
At a glance the price looks fine, it's $25 USD on US amazon at the moment. I looked over the image and checked the blade text and counted the screws.
Does something in particular look sketchy?
>>693726
following up, I see it's from China and 82 votes total isn't great for a seller... I'd spend a couple extra dollars for a better seller
>>693700
i would love to get into knife making myself.
mostly i don't have the time and also afraid i wouldn't be able to sell them.
i was thinking about making an apprenticeship for a local knifemaker in my free time to learn exactly what i would need and what are the techniques and costs involved.
maybe in my next life. my job pays too well to quit even tho it bores me to death now.
What's up with this Mora company and are they any good?
>>693743
They make good scandi grind tool knifes for little money. It's the knife people use as a prybar, improvised screwdriver, hacking at things and such. When it's completely trashed you get a new one or keep using it anyway.
>>693743
they are getting memier by the day
>bushcraft mora
>full tang mora
what's next tactical combat mora?
>>693784
We've had some tactical moras from them. They're regular moras with a black finish in a molle sheath :D
>>693788
please tell me they didn't had serrations!
>>693791
lol, fortunately no
found the image, $38USD amazon
>>693713
define "good enough". I can get 5cr15mov hair-popping sharp, but things like excellent heat treat, wear resistance and toughness are much more elusive.
I've seen high end knives take the kind of punishment that would snap a mora in half, and I'm not buying your argument that "you can just replace a mora and still pay less than what I paid for my more expensive knife" - I'd rather have one that doesn't break.
No - you don't need a 200 dollar knife "or you're screwed", a 50-60 dollar one will do. But in the end, the only thing that really matters, is the quality of the knife, not how much you actually paid for it.
As for the high prices - a number of factors contributes here. High end steel is more expensive, but also more difficult to work with, etc.
And I'm not even talking about "collectible" stuff like exotic wood handles, etc.
Now, to be clear - I don't have a problem with you saying you don't want a high end knife, because a mora does everything you need. I have a problem with people saying that no one needs high end knives, because cheap knives exist.
Using my ferrari example, that's like saying no one needs a new toyota avensis, because you can just buy an old VW golf and drive around just fine.
I'm new to knives, the only one I have is some multi-tool knife with a very dull blade with my name engraved on it (gift from my girlfriend).
Can someone here recommend a good wood-carving knife? Also, how do you generally keep knives sharp?
>>693575
Not his collection, that was the whole joke. At least try to read what the guy said next time.
>>692608
I can't believe that we're on knifefag containment zone thread #13 now
>>693896
yeah, the last one seemed to go extremely fast too
>Daily reminder that spending more than $50 on a knife means you're gay, autistic or both.
Btw, knife thread fags are retarded.
>>693901
GG crying myself to sleep tonight, sapien buddy
Condor Discord machete.
It brings me great joy to have and use it.
>>693866
Get a Mora and a 220/600 grit stone, when it gets dull just sharpen it on the 600 side by keeping it angled on the edge.
>>693519
Jeez... this is a forum about a hobby. Or, a group of related hobbies. But the point is, people are here to have fun. Why not just accept that things get a little silly on 4chan? I mean, have you seen /f/, or /s4s/?
>>693645
Not now, but I'll probably throw an orange one on to make it easier to find
>>693519
This
>>693809
>I'd rather have one that doesn't break.
there is no such thing if a steel is hardened it will break period.
>>693729
Yeah, that was my biggest worry, the other chinese seller I can find has them for 24$ and has lots of votes.
>>693446
>core laminated with STAINLESS Damascus
Like a large portion of Jap kitchen knives?
I'm looking for a nice thick knife to process firewood,
I'm trying to figure out if I would better off with a small hatchet for my budget (less than 200€).
I was thinking either something like the bushcraft knife from ray mears (lol fuck that price) or a small kukri.
Pic related, I mainly use the opinels 12 and 10 for food, and the leatherman for the file and pliers.
The other knife I never use.
>>694194
i think go with the axe, but it depends on your wilderness. an axe is highly functional if you already have a knife
a bushcraft knife should be able to process firewood yes, but that should never be a primary consideration or intended usage.
>>693809
$50-60 is a decent knife price range
if you use it every day i agree you should consider getting one.
i don't use my knives every day in fact not even go out once every month. that is why cheap knives are fine for me and that is why i would never get a busse unless i win the lottery then why not.
>>694194
i think the "survival knife" should be a backup
you need a hatchet or a machete depending on your environment and a bushcraft knife that is not a chopper by any means. the chopper knife (like an esee 4-6, bk2, ...) can do both jobs to some extent so you lose either tool you can still do some stuff.
>>694181
eventually, everything will break. But a properly made knife will take a lot more abuse without breaking.
case in point:
https://youtu.be/RCQR6xymR2g?t=789
How much can there actually be said about knifes?
>>693901
jelly poorfag detected
what do you guys think of this?
CPM-3V steel
i kinda like it seems like good ergos no pointless bullshit like finger grooves and serrations a tad too big, but looks sexy
>>694249
not a big fan of saber grinds, but this looks good. Handle looks comfortable. It is a bit big, i'd probably prefer something in the 4.5-5 inch range though.
>>694249
I dont like the grind, the choil and how wide the blade is compared to the handle.
I'll wait until they make a gso6
>>694231
I'd love to buy one of those. But truthfully, that just looks like overpriced junk.
>>692608
sexier than any knife in the world desu senpaitachi
>>694253
>Handle looks comfortable
this handle is made for girly hands.
>>694274
more like human hands. I've seen some bad handles, and some really horrible ones.
Right now, i'm a huge fan of the broomstick handle (when done right), and the jx2 handle (which I believe is based on the mora bushcraft black).
>>694283
grow larger hands. plus: how will you use with gloves? (implying you arent from sunshine state)
>>694273
Can't wait to see your bankai bro.
>>694257
>gso6
looks good but i'm really not a fan of finger groves
a sharp spine is way too useful to fuck it up with things like that. shorter the blade the more harm it does.
>>694231
>paying that much for cheap ass 1095 steel
>>694194
A knife is not for processing wood.
Buy an intermediate axe (between a hatchet and a felling axe) and a saw (such as a silky or bahco saw)
Woodlore (what you call Ray Mears style) knives are okay but they're overbuilt and basically less functional puukkos.
>>694231
do you use your gear or just take pictures of it?
I might get bashed for this, but what do you think about chink knives?
I mean cheap shit from alliexpress, do you have any experience with them? I'm not going to do anything intensive, just cooking food and cutting random shit when camping and I want something dirty cheap so I don't feel sorry when either me or one of my friends lose it while being drunk.
>>694670
then just get a mora, or an opinel. Both are like 10-15 dollars, and are considered the benchmark for dirt-cheap, reliable knives.
>>692740
Mall Ninja as fuck.
Have a M16-14ZLEK
To lazy to find my phone and take a picture so google.img.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000BSWEBO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1456177965&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=ka-bar+mule+folder
Bought this knife about 6 months ago as my first. I like that I can open it one-handed, it's sturdy and has a belt clip. My only qualm is that it fills quickly.
If I can sharpen it, any reason I shouldn't use it as an EDC?
Otherwise, I'm thinking of the knife linked here: >>693084
Any tips?
>>694707
>it fills quickly.
What does that mean? typo for Dulls quickly?
It's larger/thicker than what I'd personally like to carry for EDC, but if you like the knife then go for it.
>EDC tips
Check the laws wherever you're going to be.
>>692660
i got one about two weeks back, I'm enjoying it as knives go, probably the best knife I have. I haven't given it any extensive abuse so far so can't speak for the durability, though I have only heard good things.
I got mine in M390 which is a pretty good steel, I think you can get it in CPM-S30V too. I have no regrets for the knife so far
>>693793
I still don't get the fuss. I have the SS companion and I love the thing but an extra $20 for a black coating and sheath? Really? Such a waste. You can buy the companion and a fire starter for half of what you paid for that.
Convex grind free hand sharpening newbie here. What grit should I go down to for a microchip? I've sharpened my knife back up to paper slicing sharp after a heavy weekends use but it's got a couple of teeny dings on the edge. Is 1000 grit about right?
>Knife porn because
Also, /out/ opinion on BRK&T?
>>694194
gorgeous knife.. What is it?
>>693272
>>693275
>>693421
What do you guys think of the Punk?
>>694819
Not bad, look at the compadre too
>>694787
If they are big then start with something more coarse, 1000 is alright if they are small enough but you don't want to have to spend too much time it, if they don't effect performance I would suggest leaving them so you don't shorten the knifes life
Bark river isn't bad but sometimes they over grind thier knives, they seem to fix any problems though
>>694756
What do you use now?
The lansky kits and other guided sharpeners are pretty foolproof and they aren't too expensive
>>694900
I just ordered the lansky. I haven't used anything before; I've only ever owned one knife.
>>692975
>puukko.jpg
<kuvassa full tang -veitsi
>>694383
>less functional
eh?
>>695140
By lowering the bevel of the grind,and using thick stock steel. It results in a sturdier knife but less efficient cutting geometry.
If you really want a knife designed for wood working I suggest you look at more traditional scandi knives that evolved from use in the boreal forest regions of the north.
>>693700
>I certainly won't agree that it's "insanity" to buy a better knife if you can afford it.
afford is a relative term, i could buy a car no loans just grab my savings waltz into a car dealership and roll out with a brand new car of popular type with extras and shit.
does that mean i have hundreds of dollars to blow on a steel blade? nah. that would be insane.
>>694809
I honestly don't know.
Tried to research a bit but I can't even find the maker, the only clue I have is the buck head.
Probably late 40s-mid 50s, either german or north italian.
Looks like carbon steel but it fells like stainless at the touch,
I really don't know much about it so I can't tell.
It has a fucke up bevel, probably has never seen anything more than a bastard file,
the edge has a slight curve but it's most likely due to wear rather than design.
>>693084
A great knife m8
John Hudson approved m8
>>694819
Less retarded but hideous.
That knife does nothing better than others and is honestly nothing special.
>>695187
>megriffon-copy-2.jpg
>megriffon
>Meg Griffon
>Meg Griffin
Shut up Meg.
Just ordered a Lansky 4-rod turn box for 25 bucks.
I hope it works as good as I've heard.
>>695310
I use mine for all my pocket knives. Recommended tho it'd be nice to have a third or fourth choice of angles
>>694819
it's shit
the whole hood line is overpriced boolshit plus it's branded to shit
i'm not paying 150+ for a leaf spring knife with a big retarded BUCK KNIVES RON HOOD DESIGN SUPER FUCKING CARBON STEEL stamp on the blade
they look like a fuckin branded shot show demo piece
>>695147
I have a Scandi ground knife, I generally use my full flat knives though, I prefer them for use and maintenance. As to the functionality of Pukko style handles, I'm not a fan, I can see why they would be useful with gloves but where I live I barely wear a jumper in winter and much prefer a few other handle designs.
I agree with you 100% on the axe/saw though, where I live we don't really have many softwoods, nearly all Acacia and Eucalypt and working them without an axe or saw is a PITA.
>>695318
I'll probably be fine with 20 and 25 degrees, gonna use it only with my folding knives.
Opinel, SAK and incoming RAT 1.
>>693412
Too old and his martial arts moves are pure shit, more wooden than a practice dummy
>>693372
he has the look but he is notoriously shit to work with, and is greedy as fuck, he lost out on a 3 million dollar payout on the last Expendables movie because he demanded 4 million dollars for four days filming instead of taking the 3 million offered, that is why Harrison Ford got the part in the last movie and not Bruce Willis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rq4Xromog
>>694229
Dude, just watch these assholes go.
>>695365
The more obtuse the angle the more material behind the edge, hence a stronger edge. Generally speaking hard use blades don't require a fine razor edge, a machete for example, are better off with an obtuse angle.
>>695327
replied to you earlier. The knives I use on it are a carbon opinel, O1 sodbuster, a SAK, and a 12C27 stainless folder. I sharpen all three at 20 degrees. I wouldn't want to sharpen any tough steels (any of the crucible steels for example) with it tho, equally it's not ideal for reprofiling after dings or folds on the edge.
My alternate system is incremental sandpaper, ranging from 400 to 2000, plus a green and black 'ed strop. I use that for my convex and scandi edges.
what do you sc/out/s thinks of john neeman tools more specifically their puukko? I personally think it's garbage since the grind looks more like a flat grind rather than a traditional scandi
>>695365
Basically, the smaller the angle, the sharper you can get the blade. However, you will be trading durability for that fine edge.
So if the knife will be used for cook prep only, get a nice thin angle.
If your going to be chopping mainly with the knife, keep the angle thick.
If it'll be doing everything, pick an angle between.
>>695370
Seems pretty logic, thanks for the reply.
I've been using sandpaper for my opinel, and I'm pretty sure I've been working with an angle higher than 20 because the blade has a bevel that wasn't there originally. Is not razor sharp, but sharp enough for what I use it for and I noticed the blade lasts longer sharp.
>>695372
convex grinds are the most structurally sound along the edge. scandi edges arent the standard, they are an (popular) option
>>695373
the worst is tho is a low angle that is not sharpened, it will cut like a dull axe and get damaged like a razor blade.
>>695310
Pro tip; sharpen with the coarse stones in the low angle then finish off the edge with a few strokes on the fine stones at the higher angle to create a micro bevel
Then when your knife needs to be honed just give touch up the microbevel, after you've done that a few times the edge will have thickened enough that you'll need to reset the bevel with the coarse stones at the lower angle again
>>695377
>>695409
Yeah I recommend a micro-bevel, too, especially on scandi ground knives - if you leave only the primary bevel the edge is VERY delicate.
Other general sharpening tips are,
Sharpen before use, not after
Better to maintain an edge then dull it to fuck and then try and bring it back.
Don't underestimate a strop for finishing your edge, for me it's the difference between a paper shaving edge and a hair shaving edge.
>>695321
So then what would be a better knife to pick around that price? I was thinking of either Esee, Ontario, or Fallkniven. But honestly I know nothing about them.
>>695451
Look at the buck compadre knife, its pretty close to the hood punk but much cheaper
And get a cheap mora
>>695454
Yes but once your knife is sharp you only need to go back to the fine
If it gets too dull or if it has light damage then go with the medium to save time
>>695454
>>695459
Yeah thats right. The medium one will be the one you use to do the bulk of your sharpening. I gauge my sharpness by paper slicing. On the medium stones I can typically get a blade to shave paper but 'with resistance'. Once you're at that point transition to the fine (ballpark grit 2400?) to get it up to razor sharp. At this point it'll cut the paper with minimal resistance. Finish with a couple of passes on a strop but not necessary.
>>695456
Wellll I already own the Punk. Was just wondering why people viewed it as bad really. And was considering another knife down the line.
>>695459
>>695467
Now I'll play the waiting game for the Lansky and RAT1 to get delivered.
>On the medium stones I can typically get a blade to shave paper but 'with resistance'
I know what you mean, that's the point I managed to get the Opinel with a shitty sandpaper.
One of my SAK is almost razor sharp, the other one will need more work because it can't push cut paper at all.
>>695471
Its not a bad knife, it will give you a lifetime of use
If in were you I wouldn't by another fixed blade that falls into the same general category as the punk, just use that as your go to
>>692740
So this is a knife only approved by you thread? No wonder you can't spell knife.
>>692740
I'm not a knives expert but everything in that picture looks like absolute shit.
Guys, wanting to get another knife. Recommendations would be welcome.
Requirements:
- Convex grind
- 4 to 6'' blade
- Carbon or tool steel (no super steels)
- Reasonable cost as it'll be a user.
EU fag btw
>>695487
Not only are they shit but they look like drawer queens too..
>>695485
>I might take you up on that and get a Mora. Any reason to get a 5.8 inch over a 4.1 inch?
It's longer so if you want the knife to go deeper when stabbing someone you may want the 5.8in
>>695485
The only thing I can think of is maybe for filleting larger fish or maybe making steaks from large cits of meat but the scandi grind isn't the best for that, I bet the punks flat grind would do just as well.
It will also span more area if you baton it but it won't actually increase its ability much, the shorter blade is going to be more handy in general for things like carving and field dressing game, small or large
>>695519
Sounds like you need a second knife, son.
>>694266
>overpriced junk
thats Bark River
>>695519
Stainless is good, less care and up keep if you leave it in a pack somewhere and if you use it on food carbon will stain with acidic food like fruit. Carbon steel can also impart a metallic taste to foods, a stainless Mora is a good choice all around
Guys, when sharpening free hand I can never get the last 1cm (tip of blade) sharp. What the hell am I doing wrong? I'm v conscious about not lifting my elbow as I go round the belly
>>695539
You should be lifting your elbow to follow the belly to the tip, in the end it feels like you are almost going to dig the point into the stone, but don't do that
>>695545
Really? I usually guide the edge via sight (no gap between edge and paper) and sound (different tone when you're on the edge to the shoulder)
Always thought if you lift the elbow you'll end up flattening the apex.
Possible I'm just hitting the shoulder and not the apex at the tip? Will have to sharpie the edge and sharpen with more of an elbow lift
>>695579
Try this, sharpie one side and place the point of the blade close to you on the stone as if you had just finished making a pass, now strop the blade away from you from the point to the heel, paying attention to the sound and feel, then check it.
I suspect the marker will still be on the tip, if it is increase the angle and try it again, once you get the feel switch back to typical sharpening strokes
>>692957
I've got some gerber multitools.
One that I've abused the living hell out of and it's still going strong.
Another that I had 3 of and so far broken 2.
I agree with the other guy's statement.
All of them were free, so they REALLY got abused. I used the serrated saw to cut notches in a piece of solid copper, stomped on the handles to cut through thick wire, etc.
my /out/ edged combo.
I bought he SCHF9 as a big starter knife (50euros i think). Did I get memed?
>>695689
They are good knives but it will do best when paired with a Mora/sak/opinel for the fine work
>>695595
What are the brands/models of those?
>>695689
not at all, it's a great value and a great bigger knife. i have had one for 5 years.
>>695695
Hatchet: H&B Forge
Knife: AA Forge
>>695710
>h&b forge
holy shit it's not balls to the wall expensive
>>695712
That, 100% made in USA, and they are the best people to deal with.
>>695718
i'm sold. gonna order me a knife and an axe.
I'm building a couple knives out of some O1, and I'm hesitant to put on a final sanding + heat treating before I get some input on them
One on the left is a scandi grind, right is convex. I got some Walnut for the handles, what should I do for the tip on the left? There's some sharpie where I drew a possible clip but I find it looks kinda unbalanced.
Did I make a mess of expensive metal /out/
>>695756
do a full flat grind onthe top one bottom one idk
>>695756
Try less curve to the clip, either make it straight or gently slope it to a drop point
>>695762
the main problem is that I bought 1/4" stock, this shit is ridiculously heavy and even if I could get a damn near decent edge I don't think I'd ever really bring them out... A drop point would work, just means a lot of grinding
>>695769
Make it very gentle, a subtle drop point
>>695769
Or, grind the tip just a little lower and put a swedge on it, that will help give it a finer point
>>695774
That's... actually a really good idea, thanks anon!
>>695756
i like em
>>694270
Fuck yeah old hickory. The need to stop fucking around and make a cheap ass bush craft knife that isn't some shit I reprofiled with a grinder
>>695775
Post the pics when you finish
I've never really needed a knife better than a Victorinox on trips, but I picked this up from a blacksmith one day. It's still yet to find any real use or purpose.
Anyone try a Browning Committed?
Looks like a decent outdoors user knife
Serrated bit for ropes, and a decent sized blade (length and width) for most other uses.
>>695859
Looks like it would be lovely for skinning. How thick is it
>>695377
I meant traditional for the puukko as they were traditionaly made with a high scandi/saber grind.
I agree the convex being the best allround but i preffer a scandi just because i find it nicer for carving etc
>>695488
Probably not gonna find a convex ground knife with carbon steel since most companies that do convex grinds will also use a super steel because the grind is expensive
>>695921
Don't buy serrated unless you have the kit to sharpen it.
Semi-serrated knives are junk, IMO. Either you want a plain edge (and a sharp plain edge will cut rope etc fine..) OR you want a serrations for tough work in which case you'd want the whole edge serrated.
>>695932
Well I have a BRK with A2 tool steel and a convex grind at the moment. I just don't want another BRK.
>>695932
>convex
>expensive
wat nigga? it's the easiest of all.
all you got to do is push the blade into a sanding belt or use sandpaper on some elastic bed.
even doing a nice even skandi grind is harder than convex.
