Is the Smith and Wesson 500 the ultimate bear defense gun for hikers? After all, it is the most powerful handgun in the world, and who wants do carry a rifle just to go hiking?
>>643541
I rather carry a rifle. More rounds, that quick reload, that stopping power depending on what you got.
That hanged gun would be what I take to go take a dump.
Plus have you ever fired a S&W500? Not the easiest to do a follow up shot. Recoil can wreck some one ppl.
No thanks. Rather carry a rifle for my main. Handgun for back up.
Really depends on if you are protecting against black bear, or brown.
I brought my S&W .45 M&P for black bear territory. I think that would be sufficient. I pack +p rounds.
For grizzly I'd say a .357 or .44 mag is sufficient. The 500 is too big and heavy to be practical.
Rifles looks sexy as fuck next to/strapped to backpacks in the outdoors
Theoretical question here. How large a role do you think muzzle flash and noice play?
>>643542
>I rather carry a rifle. More rounds, that quick reload, that stopping power depending on what you got.
Most rifles in bear-stopping calibers don't have more than 5 rounds.
>Plus have you ever fired a S&W500? Not the easiest to do a follow up shot. Recoil can wreck some one ppl.
The recoil is actually not that bad. The revolver comes with a built in compensator.
You carry a rifle. You WEAR a handgun. That's the advantage of a handgun. I would carry a rifle when hunting, but when hiking, a pistol on the hip is much more convenient.
>>643545
>For grizzly I'd say a .357 or .44 mag is sufficient.
How sure are you? Sure enough to bet your life on it, because you literally are.
>The 500 is too big and heavy to be practical.
It's only five pounds. That's maybe a pound or two more than an alternative handgun. If that's too heavy, you need a more comfortable holster. Remember that a gun is supposed to be comforting, not comfortable.
>>643548
It takes to long to sling off your back and mount on your shoulder. Remember that a few seconds could cost you your life.
>>643550
They may scare the bear, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. If I'm shooting at a bear, I want that bullet to blow him to high heaven.
>>643552
.308 has worked perfect for my bear hunting trips, also taken down full grown moose and full grown elk. 30 round magazine included....yeah, rather take my rifle.
Plus that is the best thing about ARs. They come in so many dif calibers. So again, rather take my rifle.
I'm also i'm an Alaskan fag. As far back as I can recall (32 yrs old), my family and I have filled the freezer using those type of guns. So your opinion doesn't matter to me. So fuck off fag.
>>643552
you only need 300 ft.lbs with a well placed shot to cleanly kill a bear with a bow anon.. that's pretty much a hot loaded heavy .22lr of course arrows are a bit different because razor blades and shit vs blunt object.
>>643558
I never said there was anything wrong with .308. I hunt with it myself, but we are talking about hiking, not hunting. Do you really want to carry a rifle while hiking when you could just hang a pistol on your hip and forget about it? That way you can have two hands free.
>>643561
>facing unexpected charging brown bear
>having the time and nerve to aim a killshot with a .22
>mfw
Get a Glock 20 and use Buffalo Bore 220 grain hardcast. 15 +1 rounds of total devistation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A6depatruljen_Sirius
Among the equipment used by the Sirius Sledge Patrol is the M1917 Enfield bolt-action rifle chambered in .30-06 Springfield, known in Danish service as the Gevær M/53 (17), and the Glock 20 pistol chambered in 10mm Auto.
The reason for changing their sidearm is their previous Pistol M/49 sidearms chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum proved insufficient against the polar bears encountered.
>>643541
This is what you need.
>>643572
>30 carbine
>less than half a foot ton of muzzle energy.
It's what you need to win a Darwin Award.
>>643571
10mm is great, gave me a boner upon firing it.
>>643574
It may not be a SW 500 or a .480 redhawk, but its a 357 rapid fire slingshot that only weights .5lb more. But honestly if your hiking rather than hunting, your going to prob encounter a bear within rock throwing distance and stopping one with whatever you choose to you carry will come down to how you react.
>>643541
bear spray or pic related. Short enough when its slung its not noticeable.
>>643584
But can you unsling it fast enough?
Here's an interesting study about the effectiveness of different weapons and ammunition against bears
http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf
I'll stick with my brain and bear mace thank you.
>>643584
This. .45-70 with bonded ammo in a lever gun.
only other dedicated bear gun is a shotgun with brenneke slugs
>>643541
>bear defense gun
>not using bear spray
it's like you actually want to die
>>643572
.30 Carbine couldn't even take out Japs in the Pacific theater. I've heard stories from Iwo vets about shooting Japs three-four time center-mass and they would keep coming towards them in a full sword charge.
>>643603
idiot
Has anyone here ever actually shot a bear?
>>643614
i don't think anyone here has ever been approached by a bear, let alone been charged at by one.
>>643580
>.357
Buddy, you might be retarded.
>>643614
What's a bear?
>>643541
>implying you need to shoot the bear
just shoot one of your friends in the knee
>>643591
>>643584
45-70 is definitely a good choice. so would a 12 gauge.
however, if safety is #1, i would argue that a .308 high capacity modern carbine would be the best choice. easier to handle, no fuss, plenty of ammunition. how many shots can you land with that 45 if a bear is coming from 100m? 3? 4?
bottom line: if i didn't give a fuck about style, then i'd be carrying a full power carbine. easier to carry, faster ready, plenty of ammo allows for warning shots + reduces nerves. idk about you, but i feel like i would be more accurate if i didn't have to worry that i only had 4 shots. just have to aim at centre mass and keep a controllable rate of fire.
>>643541
>Smith and Wesson 500
.44 Rem Mag is good enough for lower 48 blackies.
> the bears too
>>643660
>how many shots can you land with that 45 if a bear is coming from 100m?
You shoot a bear (out of season) at 100m and the DNR is hauling your ass to jail.
>>643541
Yes - if we are talking handguns only. I would rather have a 12 gauge with a long magazine tube of rifled slugs in brown bear country though.
>>643668
Comp works well, no muzzle rise detected.
>>643603
you can load pepper into revolvers it's like the best of both world
>first shot blank maybe it's scared away
>second shot pepper
>third shot pepper
>fourth shot lead
>fifth shot lead
>sixth shot lead
if you miss a bear 3 times you are ready for dinner.
>>643541
I would prefer this. Shorter barrel and lighter, so easier to chest carry. Also, 6 round capacity.
>>643933
If you're looking for greater versatility, consider a .460 XVR. Fires .460, 454 casull, and 45 LCs. Pic related is the performance center model, but an 8" barrel would be perfectly serviceable.
>>643940
> mfw slinging your hand gun scope down and muzzle up
I like my .44 Super Redhawk. But I still shoot it on a borrow.
>>643942
Yes, that's why the 14" barrel wouldn't be ideal for carrying. Like I said, the 8" and hell, even the 5", barrel would be more serviceable.
>>643942
*would still shoot it
My Ruger is a 7.5" bbl, pretty long. If I went 14", I'd just do aT/C Encore or Contender. Not bear defensive, but would do a 4" Redhawk in .460 crossdraw, so yeah.
Even my Eagle would not be ideal, though pic related day I had 1 (one) f2f due to a limp wrist. It would give great follow ups and is very controllable.
I still prefer muh wheelies!
>>643552
.357 and .44 mag can take down grizzlys. That's not an opinion it's a fact.
>>643933
> absolutely disgusting
>>643987
As is your opinion
>>643987
Preferred to the SR when a Redhawk would do at the length, but I like simple.
But the Mountain Gun is only available in .357?
5" .44 Rem Mag, Dan Wesson fixed bbl, pic related.
>>643541
>Is the Smith and Wesson 500 the ultimate bear defense gun for hikers?
no, it is not. It is too big and powerful for most of them. It is really not a very practical gun. There is also not reall an "ultimate" bear defense gun because everyone's needs, skills, and values are different. I carry a glock 30 because I like having 11 rounds of .45 in a small package, and I can hit a target at 100m with it (I shoot this gun a LOT) and I feel like the chances of me encountering a bear is unlikely. Most people need more gun because they are going to miss more than I will, and they probably can't reload as fast as I can. Most people also probably need more situational awareness.
>>643542
>>643558
rifles are nice, but I think OP doesnt want to walk at the low ready all day. I think a semiautomatic .308 is a great response to bears, but I have had to haul a battle rifle around before and that shit is heavy as hell. You can get almost the same bear defense out of a lever gun for a lot less weight and look a lot less awkward. (unless you are attacked by a group of bears intent on gang-rape, then you need the battle rifle)
The most important aspect of a gun is your ability to use it. If you can't draw and hit a charging bear before it gets to you then all the power in the world isn't going to help. That being said, don't bring a 9mm to a grizzly fight.
>>643541
>who wants do carry a rifle just to go hiking?
If I'm hunting I have a rifle anyway.
If I'm not hunting I don't carry a gun at all. Pointless extra weight. Don't act like a retard and you have nothing to fear from bears.
Do you people honestly think you need a gun to go hiking... I just camped alone in a lean to in a huge national forest overnight and did not need a weapon to protect against bears
>>644381
Need? No.
Prefer under certain circumstances? Maybe.
I took my .45 on the long trail in vermont because I had encountered black bear there before. I admit I've only been close to one, but it was not a fun experience coming upon an animal that I knew could possibly kill me while I had no defense whatsoever.
I didn't need the gun on that hike, but I don't regret taking it. You never know.
>>643870
Or maybe you should load them all with lead in case you actually need to use your gun?
Jesus fuck how retarded can you get
>>643996
Do you even have a point, sjw?
I'd only bring a really short barrel as an emergency firearm anyway, but if you're using it as protection in a small plane just bring the rifle or a long barrel.
Shooting .50 out of a 3" barrel is no picnic.
>>644392
just get some bear spray you sperglord.
>>643614
on /out/? not likely. but you'll get expert advice from people who watched videos of a bear being shot.
>>644453
Oh, now you're just being an animal hugger, hippy dippy motherfucker!
If it's not human and trying to eat your Cheetoes, fucking kill it!
>>643655
ha! honestly if just fire your weapon, you'll probably scare it off. who walks into a bear's house a shoots it? asshole move there. carry bear spray, and a weapon just in case. do everything you can to avoid killing the animal, it's just being an animal.
>>644457
eat shit on your way back to /b/ faggot
>>644457
>If it's not human and trying to eat your Cheetoes
Fat body detected. who the fuck eats cheetos? disgusting shit made from cheetah dick. do everyone a favor, never go /out/
>>644458
> just being an animal
And I have God's Holy Right to shoot it in the dick! (Or vagooieness, as the case may be!)
>>644461
there is no god. it's just you and the bear. you have no rights. those are imagined things. i hope you get eaten alive while your boyfriend watches
>>644463
Well, this post just showes how stupid and biased you are.
"Cheetoes" is a metaphore and bears are just another oytdated meme for an obsolete vision of what the World will be when Man in God's Image has full authority over nature and the planet as God intends us to have!
You are living in the past, my anon friend and bears are stupid and will die.
>>644463
> no God
You have lost your connection, that's all. I will pray for you to align yourself with God and your eternal destiny.
Your eternal soul is far more important than bears!
>>644466
>Bible Thumping
>on /out/
Head over to /x/, they love you idiots over there.
>>644470
Wow! You are truely lost if you don't put God first in all things!
Do you think bears have "rights", lol?
> inb4 bear arms
SNORK!
Praise God in Jesus' name!
>>644444
quints confirm tripfags useless sacks of shit
>>644444
underrated post and quints
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>>644453
Who has that video of that annoying cunt spraying a black bear w/ pepper spray then it destroys all her stuff?
>>644463
Give me 1 good reason not to kill a bear that's stepping to me that's not
>that's at dick move!
>>643585
You can pull a rifle off your pack with incredible speed with one of these things.
https://store.kifaru.net/mobile/universal-gun-bearers-p197.aspx
You just pull a small strap next to your chest and the gun is basically in your hands.
>>643575
>>643580
Dont work worth shit
>>643580
Omg, .30carb bear gun?
> nope
Confirmed no ballistician.
>>643552
A .44 will kill a charging grizzly just as well as a .500 will, with half the recoil, making follow up shots easier.
It's also cheaper and more common.
>>644917
This. If you bring a .44 mag into the woods you are safe as fuck from whatever you could possibly come across. Bears, skinwalkers, geocachers - all fall before the .44 magnum.
>>644003
I tried to tell you all...
>>644922
Or...
Still in .44 rem mag, of course. Others need not apply.
>>644458
>bears house
>humans arent animals and have no place in nature
The circle is complete.
>>644381
>huge national forest overnight
It really depends on the state though.
>>644453
>mfw you get raped by a bear that gives no fucks.
You libtards deserve it for your stupid pacifist ideas.
>>644453
Bear spray barely works, can actually pissed the bear off and make it going into a frenzy
Confirmed for never going out... or least learning about out....stupid faggot.
>>645042
>anon believes in using the right tool for the job
>call anon a libtard
lol back to /pol/ with you
>>644453
> bear spray is scientifically formulated and proven as aphrodisiac
10/10 true, use extreme care!
>>643609
>couldn't even take out Japs
That should become the new standard for measuring the power of a gun.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91e_1407141260
Fucking godless marauding bears.
>>645069
And why not! Japs went down harder than Jerry's did.
My .44 rem mag is a 44/100 on the Jap-o-meter.
The .30 car is only a 30/100 on the Jap-o-meter!
>>645072
That was a bluff charge
>>645058
Bear spray is pacifist shit.
You want the right tool, use a gun.
Its YOUR LIFE.
You really should get off /out/, and maybe try a more suitable board like /lit/ instead.
>>645184
I'd say use both, off hand has bear spray, and strong hand has a.44 mag.
>>643589
>I'll stick with my brain and bear mace thank you
Just stay in your car m8
>>645184
>You want the right tool, use a gun.
Yeah if you can hit the relatively tiny kill zone of a charging bear while you're all pumped up on adrenaline, then sure. Them bullets are expensive so I hope you're rich enough to afford constant the training.
>>644444
Ohhh
Less worry than skinwalkers.
>>644465
The world in man's image will lead to man's demise. Diversity is the law of life, not biological totalization realized under religious pretenses. Hell, even St. Francis would likely look at you with scorn.
>>643541
I carried a S&W .44 Mag, 6" barrel but only 33 oz. (Scandium Alloy)
I loaded 4 240 gr hollow points in the first 4, and 2 420 gr +p+ rounds in the last. I don't know if the gun could fire the +p+ rounds (meant for a heavier 8lb Ruger) but I hoped I'd never have to get that far to have to fire them.
Really comfortable to wear, under 3 lb loaded. Downside is it kicked like a fucking horse, but shooting .44 specials for fun was nice.
Bush Alaska BTW, Lake and Pen burrough.
>>643668
That's why you should always fire a big gun your first time with only one round.
Or not be a woman
>>643589
This should be mandatory reading for every fucking damn bear thread.
How you got mace as a conclusion is beyond me since it wasn't tested.
>>646725
> drinking the coolaid this hard
Propaganda and lies you retard, that's just what they want you to think fool!
>>646717
Women are terrible at everything
>>643563
look up Bella Twin. little girl that killed a world record grizzly that charged her and a friend with a single shot from a .22.
based on personal experience with bears you avoid 99% of problems by using a bear bell so as not to startle them, put your food up and away from your camp, and be mindful of where you go in spring and especially fall. the problem with guns in an attack is if you don't kill the fucking thing, now it's pissed and can still see and probably is still in good shape to attack. With bear spray you basically overwhelm its senses through the weakest point: mucous membranes. I saw some kids who were harassing a homeless man once and he pepper sprayed them. All 3 couldn't do shit after that at all. I had to stop one from falling off a subway platform. The bears I regularly see are grizzly and I'd estimate about 2m thick in girth on the average. good luck penetrating that to a vital organ. In the end if you can shoot an accurate shot that's the main thing. My view is people in this thread are just jacking themselves to sleep with calibers here. Even I deal with bears 4-5 times a year and they are so much of a non issue in the first place. I've had more issues from gopher holes.
>>643614
Yeah I've shot beer cans before
>>643621
>i don't think anyone here has ever been approached by a bear, let alone been charged at by one.
Wrong. Many people here, including myself, have been approached by a bear or seen a bear in the woods. Being charged by one is a different story.
>>643678
>You shoot a bear (out of season) at 100m and the DNR is hauling your ass to jail.
1) They wouldn't know the range you shot it.
2) It doesn't matter. As long as the bear was a threat to your life, then you get off the hook.
>>646847
>I saw some kids who were harassing a homeless man once and he pepper sprayed them. All 3 couldn't do shit after that at all.
Fuck those little shits. That really pisses me off. I hope you cracked them upside the head.
