My fiance wants a multitool for Christmas and I want some second opinions on what to buy. I've had a leatherman in the past (old models) and have heard good things about the new wave. Opinions?
>>642715
Wave is good if they won't miss having an awl. It's also a great MT to use if they're into rebuilding/customization since so many parts from other leatherman tools fit into the frame.
Another good option is the surge. It's heavier and larger, but it has a few different tools, better scissors and the knives are longer. It comes with a blade exchanger that uses t-shank saw blades; comes in handy if you need a metal saw.
Overall, for unmodified, I like the surge better, but it is 4oz a heavier. I never found it to be an issue with belt carry but it's a deal breaker for some. But after all the changes I've made to the wave, it's the only one I carry now.
>>642739
Seconded. I have a surge and love it, a wave would do just as well but i do appreciate the extra heftyness and blade length of the surge
>>642715
For edc? What are her hobbies/out activities? Get her a wingman or something
>>642715
I recall reading somewhere that a lot of the newer Leathermans are only assembled in the states, but the pieces are manufactured in China just FYI.
Still have my old Wave I got in like 03-04 and it's still in great shape.
>>642715
I have a wave and it's great. Had a Skeletool before that which I lost, that was really nice too. I think I prefer my Swisstool though. It just seems nicer over all. Got given a little SOG multitool too earlier this year and it's nice but it's definitely the bottom of the barrel with those others I mentioned. Never touched a Gerber.
Does she have any specific hobbies worth considering when you look at a tool?
>>642755
His fiance is a guy you gay faggot hater
>>642715
Charge Tti
>>642715
surge is the only answer all the other leatherman are lacking in comparison or simply gimmicky crap.
Leatherman, Victorinox and Gerber all make great multi-tools but if you want something with a bit of "pop" to it go for SwissCard. The SwissCards ( http://www.swissarmy.com/us/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/SwissCards/c/SAK_SwissCard ) come in black, blue and red and come with:
>nail file
>screwdriver 2 mm
>toothpick
>tweezers
>pressurized ballpoint pen
>pin, stainless steel
>emergency blade (letter opener)
>scissors
And all of it is about the size of a credit card and available for about $40 U.S. They also have a "Lite" version ( that is smaller but has a light, ) comes in black/red and features...
>emergency blade (letter opener)
>scissors
>magnifying glass
>screwdriver 3 mm
>screwdriver 5 mm
>Phillips screwdriver 1 / 2
>Phillips screwdriver 00 / 0
>tweezers
>pressurized ballpoint pen
>pin, stainless steel
>LED light
It costs about $10 U.S. more, has a three more tools ( including the earlier-mentioned light ) and both SwissCard variants are transparent ( regardless of color ) while also weighing less than an ounce. The "Emergency Blade" on both are about an inch-and-a-half long and their low prices mean they are excelent "beaters" ( something meant for every day use and/or abuse ) and easily replaced when parts ( or just a part or entire kit is ) lost and/or worn out.
>>642800
Oh, Just something to add to my statement earlier: I'm not saying SwissCards are the best multi-tool; I'm saying they make nice gifts,
>>642715
This is the only correct answer
>skeletool masterace
>>643021
In that case I'm going to say the SwissCard mentioned above is a good option but I'm also going to make a few more recommendations...
>Leatherman Signal
This tool is the "outdoorsy" variant of the Leatherman family. While no multi-tool should ever be used a a primary tool the Signal has both a Ferro-rod and an Emergency Whistle that can be used in emergencies.
>Leatherman Style CS/PS
Both of these Leatherman tools fit on a keychain and lack a blade. This will allow him/her to take it on airplanes/boats ( there is footage of a man bringing it through a TSA checkpoint ) along with other security conscious places like hospitals.
Going back to the Victorinox family of items, you may want to look at the various Swiss Army Knives ( http://www.swissarmy.com/us/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/c/SAK ) or their not-SwissCard model SwissTools. The ones from Victorinox ( http://www.swissarmy.com/us/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/SwissTools/c/SAK_SwissTool ) tend to be better than the one from Gerber/Leatherman but ( to the best of my knowledge ) lack the 25-year warranty Leatherman offers. Gerber's items, while decent in quality, tend to be of lesser quality for the price they want.
>>642800
I have two of those and they're rather pants compared to a normal swiss army knife.
>>642806
i like the cx better
the 154cm blade is really nice and the blade is the main feature of a skeletool. the pliers can be useful everything else is meh.
>>643085
Sorry, can you re-word that? I'm not familiar with the expression you used to describe them and don't have a clue if it meant they were good or bad.
>>642715
I really like my leatherman multitool, but it turns out that the blade is a little too fragile for me. It is very sharp and it stays sharp for a long time, but the tip was so thin that one time when i was working with it 0.5 mm snapped off. That kind of bummed me out, but it is still a great multitool. Nevertheless, i am getting a Victorinox tomorrow. Trying something new
>>643339
you do know that leatherman replaces it for you free of charge. at least they will replace the blade.
>>642715
What does your fiance want to use it for? If they want everyday use out of it, I would go with the Surge or the Wave. Bit kit not necessary.
>>643339
victorinox wins in tool quality and durability hands down.
however the ergos and tool accessibility are shit compared to leatherman pure undiluted shit.
bit more pricey too.
if only leatherman designed a multitool to the victorinox standards of durability and tool quality...
What do you guys think of the diamond file on some of the leatherman knives? Is it really good for anything?
>>643411
Also, does the Leatherman signal have a locking blade?
>>643411
Diamonds can come off pretty easily without some form of lubrication. It does very well against dense materials otherwise.
>>643494
diamond plates can be used without any lubrication (one of their main selling point) but i hear they should be touched lightly to the blade first because they are so damn abrasive and second because the particles can dislodge
>>643340
Wow. Didnt know that. Doesnt surprise me though. I love it when manufacturers do this, because it shows us that they have a really good product that they believe in. Like zippo. That customer support is just godlike. I recently messed up my hinge and i sent it in and two weeks later and it was back, fully fixed. I should contact leatherman
>>643367
I have not tried it. But honestly i dont see why this would matter. When working i use real files, and i rarely use the file on leatherman in the field, and when i do the standard one works just fine
I just got a leatherman rebar as an early Christmas present, liking it so far as just an everyday beater. Lightweight (for me), and has what I could need in any given day for general dicking around. Sadly no scissors though.
>>644325
they have a 25 year warranty which is the main selling point
>>643415
It does but the signal is easily the most gimmicky tool leatherman has
>>644326
dunno man for me a multitool is an edc item, you carry it with you and not instead of a toolbox rather to have some tools even when you left your toolbox at home or the task is too small to go and fetch it. it's a convenience thing. and if the tools are not deployed conveniently it's a lot less useful to me.
>>645242
I get that. But for me its just not worth it. If the file on my leatherman is not good enough for the job, then i doubt a diamond file would solve the problem.
>>645319
i never said anything about diamond files in the post you replied tho so i assumed you meant something else
Are multitools actually good or are they a jack of all trades master of none?
>>642794
Only objectively correct answer
>>645568
Obviously a toolbox is better, but you wont be carrying one with you at all times.
Jack of all trades, pretty good at most.
They're just focused towards light and medium use.
Always use the designated tools if you can.
But multitools have improved inmensely over the years.
They are actually good
>>645655
I dunno, the only reason I'd want one would be for the pliers and a can opener. I'd rather carry a better knife, saw etc separately. I can still see their use though, but maybe they're better for carrying around rather than taking with on a planned adventure?
>>645657
I specifically bought a Leatherman Charge tti because of the s30v knife, the seatbelt cutter and the accessibility.
The tti and the wave beat folding knives out of the equation I think. I just can't think of any reason for not carrying one instead of just the knife.
>>645659
£100 for that though, that's a lot. Maybe too much?
>>645661
My tti is worth what I paid for it (about 180€) and is my one and only edc (and I'm a serious knife fag, with some 60-something knives in my collection).
Also signed by Tim Leatherman himself.
Honestly, I did extensive research before buying it and it was about the perfect fit for what I wanted. There are things I would change to improve it but they are minor.
I was skeptical like you and still am for most multitool models, but the design of the charge (and the wave) is I think the best design ever up to this point.
If you're willing to spend that you won't regret it but you dont need to get the top of the line.
I also strongly recommend the Squirt P4 and the Juice.
>I actually asked Tim Leatherman why did he name the Squirt like that. He paused for a second, maybe reading my dirty mind and told me it was because all small multitools where related to juice and that one was the smallest one.
To this day I'm not sure if he catch my pornographic intentions.
>>645673
How are the individual tools then?
>>645684
Pretty much excelente
Folding knife is even better than many thick tactishit folders (and s30v). File works well. Saw is incredible and cuts like a dream, screwdriver has a ton of different heads, there's a big flathead that can also pry (i use it to adjust skis to boots) tiny screw for glasses is extremely handy, can opener works too, and finally the scissors are GOAT, but a bit small.
The only thing I'd change is replaceable wire cutters and more titanium to save wight.
The only bad thing about it is weight.
>>645673
I mean the charge tti is a good tool but yu paid an extra 80 euros for very little compared to the surge or wave. I understand the lightweight aspect of it but you saved what like 2 ounces?
Also
>dat european price
Shit i bought my surge for $90 canadian, thats like 60 bucks cheaper than the european price
>>645711
Yeah.
I bought it when I was working when I was 19 so I didnt care about price.
What sold me off about the tti is the seatbelt cutter and the s30v blade. Then the titanium was an extra.
>>645709
Hmmm, I still dunno, how heavy is it exactly?
>>645709
except every tool is too small or too weak to be actually useful substitute for the real deal. the saw especially.
>>645780
I'm telling you multitools are no substitute.
Only good for light or medium use.
What are you on about? If you expect any multitool to be a toolbox you'll always be disappointed.
>>645733
About 230 grams, that's fixed blade territory.
It feels like a brick in the hand, and there are heavier ones.
>>645785
nothing you were just too enthusiastic about them
i love multitools but they are most definitely not a substitute for a good robust folder as they are not a substitute for any other tool. the plier heads tend to be robust and big enough but there are always some problems with them that limits their usefulness. in case of most heavy duty leathermans it's the weak joints and the lightweight stuff simply has weak pliers that would break and soft wirecutters.
I use my Leatherman Supertool every day and love it. It's always in its nice leather sheath on my belt.
>at work, female friend needs something fixed.
>whip out Supertool and fix it.
>"damn Anon, you're the only man I know that's always carrying tools"
>"no Anonette, it looks like I'm just the only man you know"
>other female coworker starts cracking up.
>(large black woman)"oh shit nigga he hella right, what kinda man don't own no tools?!"
>mfw
>>646376
>oh shit nigga he hella right, what kinda man don't own no tools?!"
Do black americans genuinely speak like this?
>>646400
If your in the right area them yea all of them do
honestly leathermans are great. Those complaining that they are too weak are being dipshits. Its not like you buy a leatherman and throw away the chainsaw. Its not a substitute for tool or an ultralight knife. Its a fucking multitool to use in a pinch and comes in handy any day.
>>646497
yes but they could be built stronger nevertheless
evidence: victorinox swisstool
>>642715
I like my wave but I wish it was a surge. Best advice you will get in this thread. Wave if you don't know what he's gunna use it for.
>>646777
the answer is always the surge.
i have looked over all letherman tools a hundred times.
each and every time the surge comes out on top.
it's the best there is it's just not good enough for me for it's price.
one day i'm gonna buy one tho if i get rich or something.
Super tool 300 or Rebar which is just downsized supertool.
>>646781
>surge
>wave
>charge
>swisstool
Borderline useless shallow phillips driver
>>646807
Theres no phillips on any of those models... there is a bit driver though
>>646806
too flimsy, main tools not accessible one handed
not good at all
>>645709
>there's a big flathead that can also pry
>Using a $200 tool as a prybar
Jesus anon, just buy a mini prybar like the Gerber Shard
>>642715
I've got the squirt ps4 and it's great for edc.
Would fit well in a purse.
Check out the wingman/sidekick, it's under $40 iirc
Great full size starter.
The scissors on my ps4 are handy as fuck.
The wingman/sidekick difference is one has a saw instead of scissors.
My father got me pic related last year. It's a black wave, and I have it on my plate carrier. It does everything I need it to. Namely using it as a makeshift hammer to do little things. I use the bits a lot too. You can get a separate bit set and it will go into the the back of the pouch.
>>645673
>told me it was because all small multitools where related to juice
What the fuck does juice have to do with multi tools?
>>645780
You clearly don't understand the concept of a multitool.
It's not meant to replace a toolbox.
It's meant to be used for light work, when you're in a pinch, maybe forgot a tool etc
It's strong suite is being on hand, literally.
>>642715
Unless you NEED the big pliers, Victorinox Swiss Champ every time.
I spent 7 months living in Cotsa Rica, between that and a hobo fishing rig I was a the local 'he can fix it' to the local kids.
I ended up leaving them there with the family I stayed with with as a gift so now I hope the hobo reel is still catching fish and the swisscamp is still fixing mopeds!
The wave is definitely a great one. I've had one for two years and haven't had a problen with it. Another one is the Leaterman Surge.
>>646400
Some do, some don't. Usually, it's a joke when they do.
>>647091
How the hell did you manage to fix mopeds without a full-size pliers?
I EDC a Swisschamp myself, love it too, but lets be realistic, good pliers are one of the most important tools, full stop.
>>647091
i alwasy thought those were joke-tools
who the fuck can use a tool that small with a handle so big? they stuffed so many tools into one they made the whole thing useless in the process
>>647483
>Usually, it's a joke when they do.
No, no it's not.
Get out of my face with all this plebshit. Take a look at a true master of the outdoors.
>>648018
Pfft
Get on my level.
I'm torn between the charge tti and the surge, which one would be better for general use and everyday carry?
>>648339
tti might be better to carry if lighter
surge will be better to use except maybe the super fancy steel blade on the tti might hold edge better
>>648344
Thanks for the help m80
>>642715
>crtl F
>blast
>not found
WTF, /out/? I use a Leatherman Blast I've had for years and it's given me good service. I EDC a Gerber Splice because I'm a teacher and the scissors are handy. It's not so great.
Gerber was once far and away better than Leatherman. That time is no more.
>>646807
Indeed, the phillips screwdriver on ST300, rebar and blast blow the phillips bits out of the water.
And you can still use the bits with the extension piece
>>647578
not that guy but you don't need piers to fix/disassemble 90% of the shit on a moped.
pliers are good for assisted leverage for gripping ( and you can make a peg vise from a couple of twigs most of the time for that), but lets be honest do you really use 'em all that much? All I tend to use are the blades, screwies, bottle opener, scissors and maybe once in a while the tweezers
