Question for all you UK or European fags. Have you ever actually been camping what I would consider the basic American camping experience? In the woods, or by a lake or seashore with a campfire, marshmallows, mosquitoes, swamps, catching fish or frogs, spooky stories, general store, boating, shitting and showering in bug filled restrooms etc?
>>627225
>American camping
>Marshmallows
>Tent three feet from car
>Can hear your neighbors snoring
As an American, I find this offensive. I'm going to assume it's bait, so... good job, you triggered me.
>>627275
Why are you triggered when this is in fact what 90% of tent campers and kids actually do? Did you not have a normal (white) childhood? This hasn't changed since the 70s when I was a kid
>>627287
Maybe in Murica, not here in Finland.
>>627319
Another Finnish friend :) Mikä maakunta?
>>627225
>pic
What the fuck is that?
Is that the American standard of a camping site?
Looks commercial imo
>>627642
Yeah that's typical of what a state park or national forest campground looks like. They do come with amenities like picnic tables, fire pits and restrooms if that's what you mean by commercial
>>627225
This is like double bait.
>Americans will be mad that this type of camping is being painted as "american standard camping"
>Euros will stumble over themselves to make fun of Americans for camping like this and try to prove their superiority.
Bravo OP 10/10
>>627686
this t-b-h f-a-m
>>627287
>A kid in the 70's.
>still browsing 4chan
Damn, that is kind of sad actually.
Yep, but only because i used to live in canada and did those trips with my parents when i was a kid.
Campsites pretty much all suck over here. Just a field you're allowed to put tents up in, and a wash block. Fuck that shit.
>>627689
F-u-c-k o-f-f with your filter evasion.
I'm surprised none of you got to do this as a kid. Saddened really
>>627702
What, you were never a scout?
>you will never go trunk or treating with your white grandparents, why live?
>>627225
no whenever i go camping i'm cold and miserable and barely able to maintain fire
Typical English campground
>>627708
That's just the South coast in general
>>627700
The only reason you think that's the norm, is because those are the people you see. The rest of us are so sparse and deep in the woods we don't see another human being for weeks. And really, most of dispersed campers are so low impact and quiet that we could be twenty paces apart and not know the other is there.
>>627761
So you think that backpackers are the norm?
>>627765
No, I think that a norm would be difficult to establish, because we're trying to compare a group of people that intentionally conglomerate to a group that intentionally disperses.
Not to mention the fact that car campers are probably more numerous, but hikers probably tend to stay out longer and go out more often. It's like comparing apples to orange soda.
>>627776
We are not comparing. Car campers and rvs are 99% of all campers. why would your fringe group even matter?
>>627801
You're probably right. The Bear Gryllis wannabe car campers who don't know the difference between a pine and a cedar almost certainly outnumber the soloists who feel completely comfortable being self-reliant for weeks at a time with only what they can carry 15 miles / day.
>>627817
the soloists who feel completely comfortable being self-reliant for weeks at a time with only what they can carry 15 miles / day.
So basically no one
>>627822
Not that guy, but I do that shit all the time. This is /out/, a board for outdoorsmen. I don't care how you or anyone else get your dose of nature, but don't belittle my way of doing so.
b8.
americans and euros need to get along and love the outdoors together
>>627838
you are a wise man
>>627838
This, together we can unite and explore the world
>>627825
No you dont. There is no way you could forage the calories needed to hike 15 miles a day for weeks at a time. I always have a chuckle when someone makes a thread about food while thru hiking. Some anon will always post "get a book about edible plants and some snares". If you think this is a feasible on a long distance hike it just lets me know you have never done a LDH.
>>627847
Yup. I am an excellent hunter and I never rely on catching anything while hiking long distance. It is just annoying and requires a bunch of extra shit.
And snaring/foraging while hiking? Wtf that is some of the stupidest shit I have heard come from /out/
>>627847
Wait what? where did you mention anything about scavenging for food every day? I usually carry my food with me on trips of around 1 week, though I have been out for 2 weeks one time without resupply
>>627860
Original post said being self reliant for weeks at a time while hiking 15 miles a day.
What do you think self reliant means?
Campgrounds like the one in OPs pic have there place. I love to go salt water fishing. However I love in Southwest Virginia. A couple of times a year I will take my pop up camper to Nags head NC and stay at the oregon inlet campground. Its only 25 bucks a night. I can fish all day at the inlet, jetty, or nearby beach. Then return to my camper. Fire up the grill for whatever we caught that day. Then shower in the bath house before laying down on a comfortable bed. Wake and repeat. If it wasnt for the campground I wouldnt get to go as often because all the hotels are expensive.
>>627847
Its the first guy. And no, I don't forage and hunt for all my calories. Some I like to fish, and I'm sure that more skillful individuals could do it. Hell, for millennia, people did it with stone tools. I'm always amazed that people honestly believe that's impossible to walk through the trees without $5K worth of name-brand gear.
Hate to pop your god complex, but just because you can't do something, doesn't make it impossible.
>>627825
You gou out for weeks at a time with no re supply?
No need to lie here. You get no points
>>627847
Bring a backup of rice/lentils/grains, take daylong breaks so the snares/fishing rod can do their work.
Not saying that you can catch all your calories, but it makes a huge difference in life quality while hiking with some fresh grouse or trout in the belly.
>>627995
>dont do what you claim you do and you'll be fine.
Anon claimed he stayed out for weeks at a time completely self sufficient while hiking 15 miles a day.
>>627881
>I hike 15 miles/day while hunting and foraging and you need
>$5K worth of name-brand gear because you don't use axe tools
>>627983
I do, usually I pack food for a week and come back when I run out, depending on fishing, small game and foraging available, I'll stay out from one week to three.
Sometimes I travel by bike, sometimes hike or hitch a ride. Sometimes buddies meet me and bring beer and food, so it's not like I'm tracking my calories in and out, but yes, I do it. I'm not the first, I won't be the last, and I'm not even that good at it, so why are you so surprised that people can acquire their own food, we did it for millions of years before grocers came around.
I've done back-packing, ski camping, huting, car camping in the USA and Canada.
I also went hiking in the Jotunheimen in Norway. There were Inns and such within a days walk. This meant we didn't bring a tent, though did bring sleeping bags (iirc). The Inns varied from very winter resorts (foot of Glitterten) to basically a goat farm that served meals and rented shacks.
One thing to remember is that people have been living in large numbers in Europe for much longer then in America. That means they don't have the vast tracks of unused land we do. There are villages in every valley, at every river ford, etc.
Think about the English with their walking tours of the Lake District. Basically walking between B+B. Or the Camino de Santiago de Compostela, which is similar but with a religious motivation.
>>627761
Elite camper
>>628102
That sounds sweet. You can just go walking all day and then stay at some cool /out/ farm with a swag and then carry on the next day to the next town? Sounds magical.
If you get lost out here down under.... fuck that. Farmers isolation out here would be amazing.
>>628102
Not to mention we aren't socialist pigs who allow anyone to trespass where they please.
>>627761
Holy shit the elitist fedora is out in force
>they can't have fun in the outdoors because they're not in muh deep woods
>>6281910
Yes, our definitions differ. I think of self reliance as carrying everything I need, traveling under my own power and acquiring a large portion of my food from nature. Of course I pack food, I'm not an idiot. But if you think that self reliance is not taking food with you, you may as well start talking shit about every person that doesn't go /out/ stark naked, and makes their own tools to hunt so they can make their own clothing and bedding.
>>628212
I never said they weren't allowed to have fun. I just think it's fucking pathetic when someone thinks they're a "bushmaster" because they buy a Bear Gryllis machete, pre cut firewood and beef jerky at a gas station. If you want to car camp, car camp. Just don't delude yourself.
Overconfidence is what kills people in the woods. And the US is so bass akwards that instead of sharing knowledge freely (hint, hint 4chan) what's going to happen is the government is going to make outdoor skills illegal, so people don't die. Its like fucking seatbelt laws, a few idiots dying is all it takes to oppress an entire nation.
>>628260
>seatbelt laws
>oppress an entire nation.
Top kek
>>628101
So you carry all your food to a lake and then hang out for a week. That's not hard. Sure you can catch some fish or shoot a grouse. but that's quite different than hiking 15 miles per day for WEEKS and foraging most of your calories as you go. No one on this board has done that. No one anywhere does that. Anyone who LD hiked knows that you need enormous amounts of calories.
>>628278
This.
>>627705
Damn, that's so glampy it's cringeworthy. Only "RV Resorts" are that manufactured and fake looking like that in Canada. Most of our camp grounds have outhouse shitters and maybe a non-potable water well, that's about it. Most sites are far apart enough that you rarely hear or see the neighbors.
>>628278
You misunderstood. The lake is eighty miles, and that's completely separate from hikes. How boring would it be if I were just doing the same shit every single time?
>Nobody hikes fifteen Mets a day for WEEKS.
That's right. The Pacific crest trail is a myth.
>>628350
I've brought some fresh picked flowers when going camping but never several sets of heavy lawn furniture.
Canada does have great camping with huge sites. And one thing I've never seen anywhere else. Lots of campgrounds had free firewood that they brought in by the dump truck load.
>>628376
>Completing the PCT on foraged calories
Some another bowl dude
>>628376
Either your reading comprehension is horrible or you are legit retarded.
>>628379
Because of the long horn beetle infestation you fucking no /out/ retard
>>628477
So we don't get free firewood in the USA because of the long dong beetle? Good to know
>>628191
Almost no one ever does or did that. Some very very isolated and well established homesteaders? Maybe. Everyone else traded. Being self sufficient is being capable of producing most of what you need and being able to trade for the rest with your surpluses. Even the most self sufficient modern examples I can think of could only be said to be self sufficient as isolated communities (multiple families residing in something the scope of a river valley for example) and they still bring in tons of outside material. I think you're honestly pretty delusional.
Carrying some food and supplementing it with foraging and hunting/fishing is about as self reliant as you're going to get without being quite stationary and you'd still need outside supplies to establish yourself. Preferably with an animal taking the bulk of the caloric load.
>>627708
>pikey caravan sites
>campsites
>>627710
Or the North Coast of Wales (don't go there)
>>627705
>Decorations like flowers and pumpkins everywhere.
Jesus Christ.
>>627225
French here, yup.
It will depend of where you grow up, but lots of kid who grow in rural place go to camp and "savagecamp" really young, just a tent, a fire and friends.
The kids in cities don't do this but they eventually go in campground/campside with ther family.
The only things is, camping outside the campground is forbidden, so you have to pay to camp in the legal way. But either it is tolerated in some places
>If you let the place clean and don't put a mess the locals will not call the police.
Either you go to spot where nobody will come, like this spot
>We use to go on the right side, we cross the field of a guy, but nobody is coming down the river.
Also you don't really go on the beaches, mostly because they are unsafe place.
>Not-so-kind people
But also because it's the place to end up in the van...
>>628994
Sorry forgot picture
>>628994
>end up in the van...
Does this mean get raped?
>>627642
filename says lake louise, which is in canada
>>627642
yep that's pretty standard. You can go camping where you have some sort of structure (cabin, lean to, yurt), no structure but you pull your car into (grill/fire ring, picnic table), or just designated sections of woods (primitive/wilderness). Where I live in the USA primitive/wilderness sites are the fewest in number and popularity.
Bong here
Camped on:
Mountains
Innawoods
Onalake
Inafield
Onabeach
Onamarshland
And yes, I've even had campfires!
>>627275
>American camping
>Marshmallows
>Tent three feet from car
>Can hear your neighbors snoring
this defines most of my non fishing camping trips.
>>627225
Croatia (yugoslavia) was like that before the war.
free camping in a pinewood, no lifewatch on the beach actually there ws no beach only rocks. Shit in a hole behind your tent.
Spend my days with fishing at the shore or exploring there where bunkers around the pllace and a creek in the woods where i found ccrayfish, river mussels and pond turtles.
We ate the catched fish and canned food.
My dad had a small boat and a scubagear.
Once i hab a deep cut on my leg. My Hardcore dad cleaned it and sewed me, because hospital was 2 hours away. Mom was not pleased
I was a kid back then and it was pretty fun. Have been there with my kids. Now they got Supermarkets, pools, bungalows and dogpoobag dispenders. Its all shit now
i don't think you will find what you are looking for nowadays in europe
>>628840
Grew up on NW Coast.
Can confirm.
Go to.Snowdonia if you're going that way and want to camp.
>>627275
bitch please americans have the best camping experience
if they make use of the room they have
>>627708
That is not really 'camping', its just a way for people to have cheap holidays. Those places usually have a swimming pool, bars and shops like a hotel but its cheaper.
