is there any one piece of /out/ gear that is more versatile and important than a good woolen cloak?
>>463561
*tips mora*
I don't know about wool, but those lightweight poncho/shelter things are pretty neat.
Just get a goretex hardshell you autist
Natural materials are always better, cloaks are good for going /out/ but you look like a fucking autist. If you wear a cloak and then plastic boots and synthetic shirts then you're the biggest autist. If you wear a cloak and traditional gear then it's fine. If you don't you're a faggot autist
>>463614
>Natural materials are always better
this is not true at all
I guess I'll ask here, does anyone have experience with the Frogg Toggs poncho?
http://www.froggtoggsraingear.com/DriDucksPonchos.shtm
I normally carry a dollar store emergency poncho, but for $14 and free shipping I feel like I can't go wrong. Does anyone know how small it packs?
>>463620
It is true. Good for the enviroment (inb4 hippy) better for hunting and your body, natural materials are ALWAYS superior
>>463626
You're not making any actual claims, just a bunch of "it's better because it's good for stuff." You're not addressing their effectiveness, manufacturing processes (which very well may not be good for the environment), cost, durability, etc etc.
>>463627
-Hunting:Synthetics smell synthetic. A wool or sheepskin coat, if it smells of the woods will be better for hunting than a synthetic coat, no argument.
-Better for the enviroment. Yes there is destructive sheep grazing and forest cutting, but synthetics take 10,000 years to go away. Buckskin takes FAR FAR less. There's toxins in plastic, and they just reek of synthetic bullshit.
-Durability is better for synthetics. Synthetics are bad for the enviroment though, and a thick wool jumper can last you a lifetime with the correct care.
-Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all. Natural materials are ALWAYS better for you.
>>463629
Hunting - Nah, just use some spray.
Enviroment - Nah again. Synthetics last a long time, therefore you can pass it down for generations.
Durability - Nah, like I just said, synthetics last a long ass time. >bad for the enviroment. Source?
Humans- Better for me? Nah. I dont want to look like an autist.
>>463608
Where can I get a gortex cloak?
I would love to have a full-on grim reaper mode robe to /out/ in, but I live in the wrong weather for it.
>>463636
>Go to outdoor store
>Approach staff
>"Excuse me, please can you suggest a good waterproof coat? Maybe a Rab or Montane"
>He will then give you a piece of clothing
>Buy it
>Wear it outdoors and imagine you are living in middle earth and that your new coat is a cloak you raging fucking autistic retards
THERE IS A REASON CLOAKS WERE REPLACED. THEY ARE NOT AS GOOD.
>>463639
>telling others to use their imagination
>calling ANYONE an autist
>>463629
>Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all. Natural materials are ALWAYS better for you.
are you trying to discredit yourself?
>>463561
A heavy rubber poncho
>>463626
>. Good for the enviroment
Sheep farming is terrible for the environment. Synthetics are made from recycled water bottles.
>>463635
Spoken like a dedicated /in/doorsman
>>463629
>synthetics take 10,000 years to go away
Who cares? Landfills are an absolutely miniscule environmental problem. People just get pissy about them because they're ugly.
Filson Mackinaw Cruiser
>get on my level
>>463561
A cloak is important but I also get a lot of use out of my sword and walking staff. Plus, long after my cloak has gotten filthy and tangled in briars, my leather body armour is still going strong and protecting me from mischievous wood elves and orcs.
>>463680
so autists in cloaks and hipster lumbersexuals in plaid
>this is /out/
>>463685
I grew up on a cattle farm in Minnesota. My first Felton jacket was handed down from my Grandfather. In the rugged North, it's what real men where /out/
On a performance basis it will beat your shit tier synthetic shell now and forever.
>>463635
>you've never gone outdoors before
>>463642
are you trying to be an armchair /out/doorsman faggot? because you seem like one
>>463675
depends on the sheep farming.
>>463679
even if they're tiny, with everyone wearing woolen biodegradeable coats, they wouldn't exist AT ALL
>>463679
0/10
>don't feed the troll
>>463561
Haven't we already had this thread within the last month?
I believe the consensus was that it is fedora: the coat.
>>463626
>heavy
>cumbersome
>makes you look like an autist
>better
>>463680
Epic tier for rugged, long lasting durability, utility and ultra warm, but it weighs a ton, and its heavy to wear and walk around in
>>463719
>>makes you look like an autist
>>better
once again, Autism triumphs over science and technology
>>463640
>imagination is autistic
U srs m8?
>>463721
>I'm not the autist, YOU'RE the autsit because reasons I can't think of!
They make you look fucking autistic, because the only people who would even think of using such antiquated clothing are LARPers.
>>463724
Holy fucking shit. You don't know what greentexting is, do you?
>>463696
holy shit where did this new namefag come from and can we please send him back?
>>463561
>peasant woolen cloak
>not glorious kingsguard cloak
It's like you're asking to be gutted on the kingsroad.
>>463561
GOOD EVENING MY LADY COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE I COULD FIND THE TAVERN
>>463729
Fuck you. Autism doesnt need anymore of your rules
>>463748
You're literally retarded.
Never have I seen a more appropriate setting for Lurk Moar.
>>463718
Yeah, these pop up with about the same frequency as "Do you carry a gun while /out/?" threads. Probably the most common bait threads on this board.
>>463624
I have one. Not bad, but it could pack smaller. Packs to about the size of a medium-size book.
Shawls are better. Movement in the bushes and rocky terrain is probably a bitch in a cloak.
>>463727
So a wool jumper is used by LARPers only? Some leather boots or a leather jacket is just used by LARPers and no one else? a cotton shirt is just used by LARPers? lel
>>463765
What about durability? Do you think it was worth what you paid for it?
>>463778
The wool pullover in your picture is far more practical than a cloak as depicted in OP's pic. So yes, cloaks are only for LARPers and autists.
>>463778
Oh my god, that looks like such a cosplay faggot.
>>463821
It probably is, but who gives a shit? They look like they're having fun. Beats the shit out of making fun of people you don't know on a Chilean tie-dying forum.
>>463829
But that's my main source of entertainment.
>>463629
>Synthetics smell synthetic
wut
>synthetics take 10,000 years to go away
why is that a bad thing? I want my gear to last. not dissipating into nothingness isn't a bad thing. Simply existing doesn't make something bad for the environment.
>Synthetics are bad for the enviroment though
wow, that doesn't actually address the point at all whatsoever.
>Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all
yet now that we have the technology to make synthetics, they're used constantly. I don't see how this is a point.
>>463614
cord
cutter
cloak
caribeaner
crapping pot
?
>>463561
Idk, how about a knife and/or water filter. If I was pressed for an order of gear I would take with me it would be #1 full tang knife #2 water filter #3 fire starter #4 tarp or thick plastic survival blanket #5 shoes #6 proper clothing.
Why in the fuck would you start your survival kit with a shitty cloak?
>>463821
Would you rather look like a cosplay faggot or be warm and cosy innawoods?
>>463834
maybe i have a good sense of smell put synthetics have such a strong scent. Even if you get mud and dirt on them they still smell disgusting.
Some gore tex jackets or plastic bottles in the forest look so disgusting and unnatural. Litter sucks.
I'd rather stick to something people having been using for 10,000 years than something people have been using for 60 years. A leather jacket can last years instead of a shitty windbreaker ultralight lasting a year or two then ripping against thorns
>>463844
Actually, swap fire starter and the water filter.
>>463845
I'd rather be warm and cozy innawoods than look like a cosplay faggot. What kind of retarded autistic question is that?
>would you rather get poked in the eye with a sharp stick or eat a delicious steak?
>>463845
>mfw /out/ neopagan hipster faggots that dress up like LARP cosplayers
I don't go anywhere without my Texas fedora
>>463561
*tips Marbles*
>not owning a Swanndri
>>463856
looks hot material no vents would not wear
>>463860
>paying $300 for a hoodie when you could get something on the same quality level from a milsurp store
>>463629
>toxins
>"toxins"
Which "toxins" would those be, exactly? Please, enlighten me.
>>463845
What's with the Slavic romanticism shit? Are you Polish or something?
>>463870
Three plastics have been shown to leach toxic chemicals when heated, worn or put under pressure: polycarbonate, which leaches bisphenol A; polystyrene, which leaches styrene; and PVC, or polyvinyl chloride, which break down into vinyl chloride and sometimes contains phthalates that can leach.
>>463877
English anglo saxon. The image is just a nice image, that's all.
>>463880
Plenty of natural materials leach toxic chemicals as well, retard.
>>463882
Natural materials are still superior for the outdoors.
>>463884
Especially when they're heavy and unwieldy!
>>463561
Hmm.. I'm tempted to laugh at you like everyone else, but I use a plash palatka as a poncho and a tent. It's kinda heavy but still awesome, so I guess I kind of understand what you mean.
However it's cheap and "expendable". A wool coat sounds expensive.
>>463850
Fuck you, I'm a LARPer that dresses like a neopagan
>>463893
Plus, let's be clear: OP isn't talking about a nice wool coat, which would be at least relatively practical even though there are much lighter alternatives. He's talking about a fucking wool cloak.
>>463885
Nope, better for the earth you retard.
>Dræfend
You're approaching Zed level of retardation.
>>463902
yup, i know i am. Just respecting nature
>>463778
Would wear/10
>>463905
>respecting nature
>ever
Nature needs to be beat and put in it's place
>>463900
>BNESTER FOUR DA EERT!@
>YOOO REDSARD?!
>>463821
hes some Traditionalist Hunter on a Bushcraft forum, I would call him a cosplay faggot though
Let's wander out of society and become Übermensch. Become as free as possible. Seeking freedom through society or other people feels like seeking a better prison for your personality to maintain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe-KbOiQAUc
>>463841
>mistaking flint and steel for a carabiner
>>463905
Jesus Christ! Now, there's an outdoorsman for you! His cousin was all like, "Bro, you can eat bugs and stuff and get all the nutrition from nature!" But Jesus was all like:
>eating bugs while /out/
>eating anything while /out/
>kek watch me survive 40 days without any food or gear at all!
>>463624
Not exactly what you asked about, but I have a Frogg Toggs rain suit, and I love it. Waterproof even riding in a hard downpour, and getting splashed by trucks, and it's been a year since I bought it and no durability issues yet.
>>464041
My riding jacket is waterproof already and boots but i carry frog togg pants in case of rain. They work okay but water pools in my lap and deff soaks through after a few minutes.
>>463880
None of those plastics are used for clothing.
>>464041
How much did you pay? Do they pack down small?
i've been thinking of how to make best kind of ghillie suit cloak design as a portable blind for wildlife photography or extended sitting in cold weather. the problem is weight and very narrow use.
>>463624
I'm using one of their simple rain suits (pants and top), it was cheap and handles surprisingly well (I own it for about a year with zero problems).
>>463637
don't let that stop you
>>463629
>-Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all.
Humans have been using bows and arrows for longer than guns therefore they're better
>>463979
that's not jesus bro, that's muhammad
I wouldn't wear a cloak simply because they always snag on things. Then again, I'm an idiot who tends to walk through brambles. I just find them to be impractical unless you're walking along a path and don't care about the weight. Really, I guess a wool poncho is great, maybe a shorter cloak than OP's picture would fit the bill actually. I wouldn't wear it in public though, and it'd be pretty expensive. My advice? Wool poncho, or dress normally.
>>463884
>cotton
>>463778
That's... actually not that weird. I'd wear that, though I'm not fond of that style of boot. Still pretty damn nice of those are all wool.
>>464391
Did you know when vulcanization started becoming a thing you could get clothes made out of it? I think they were mostly bow ties and things like that.
When polyester first arrived clothes made out of that were all the rage, even though they sucked hard compared to cotton.
When technology has given us something new we can make into fabric there have been people that made clothes out of it irrespective of whether or not they were actually good for clothing.
>>464412
By "it" I obviously mean rubber.
seriously?
>>464412
And? Polyester was introduced 60 years ago. That phase is long over. That example you gave is literally a counterexample, unless you're seriously arguing that vulcanized rubber is bad as well.
>>464425
Would you want to be /out/ in early polyester clothing, though? Or a rubber shirt? Probably not, right?
I'm just saying things being new has nothing to do with being good and things being old doesn't make them bad.
The reverse could be true, though I'd say much less likely for something to be old and bad. If we're still using it then it must be decent.
>>463680
How warm is the Alaskan fit Mackinaw Cruiser? Roughly equivalent to a Navy peacoat?
>>464471
Just as warm, or a little bit more depending how thick the peacoat is.
>>464394
Lolno.
>>464142
I don't remember what I paid, but I bought it at wallmart so it couldn't have been too much, and yeah it does. Normally they're about the size of a thick A5 notebook, but if I want to they can compress down to about 1/2 that.
>>464471
I've worn both and my sense is the Mackinaw is warmer - but that's subjective
>OP in my mind
>>463561
MFW I walked into the grocery store today and saw a giant of a neck beard wearing just such a cloak.
>>463629
yes our ancestors definitely had the choice between synthetics and natural materials
>>464163
thermal base layer, waterproof/breathable shell, ghillie over that
>>463561
This is still being trolled?
>>464591
I've got my eye on a nice used one on eBay. What is their sizing like? Do they run big like Carhartt?
>>463561
A knife.
>>464595
I would imagine the fellow in said pic lurks his camp while everyone ended sleeps keeping a look out for vampires and werewolves
>>463614
I'd like to remind everyone that asbestos is in fact a natural material.
>>463561
For you? Probably your meds.
>>466330
As are mercury, arsenic, lead, and 99% of pesticides found on the planet.
![22621e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3WPmaf0.jpg "22621e[1].jpg")
https://www.varusteleka.fi/en/product/jerven-fjellduken-extreme/22621
Engineered perfection for arctic conditions. Man I want one of these...
>>466542
So, instead of a 800g sleeping bag, you would want a 2kg poncho?
>>466579
They can't comprehend that things were replaced by smaller, lighter and more effective things. In their minds if something looks a bit kooky or different it makes it functional.
Also, JESUS CHRIST 350 euros for that shit!
>>466542
" "Oh no" you say, "no Gore-Tex?" Run and hide if you can't live with some moisture, the level of condensation within the bag is nothing to worry about.
This, however leads to maintenance - just like women, your Fjellduken requires some attention after use. Unlike women though, your Fjellduken is quite satisfied by simply getting hung out to dry over a door or line. Remember this before folding it onto the shelf after a walk in the woods, or else you will have a very expensive piece of smelly, moist cloth, still 100% waterproof and warm though!"
Fucking kek in the description it admits it is expensive and not as good as gore-tex. Who is buying this shit?! And two kilos for something that lets all the cold air circulate around your legs, and forces you to keep your shoes on 24/7??
>>463629
i mean, we're stull able to find and even use some old roman leathers so, there's that as well.
>>466579
afaik there are several versions, some of them weigh less
>>466585
I'm not the guy that posted it, but you seem overly pessimistic with such a small amount of unbiased information presented to you.
The description on that website is odd. Looks like some finnish quirkiness.
I would look for reviews somewhere else before writing the Jervenduk off though. It really is a great piece of equipment.
>>463880
>English Anglo-Saxon
Who were the Normans?
>>463841
>caribeaner
half Jamaican, half Mexican?
>>463681
>not wearing chainmail when you go /out/
Look at this faggot over here.
