Is the AW11 the purest driving experience for its money?
Yeah probably. It's cheaper than a miata, there aren't really any good drivers cars in that price range (2-5k) besides the miata and mr2
>purest driving experience
*tips fedora*
its just an 80s shitbox
>>15433762
What a beautiful car, fur real that car is fucking flawless aesthetically.
>>15433799
At least its not FF
>>15433802
Civic has a better chassis more aftermarket and can be easily faster
MR2 is a meme shitbox
theres a difference
psa: don't give cummy any (you)s
>>15433804
but is it a purer driving experience?
>>15433810
meaningless phrases mean nothing
>>15433810
>that's a nice car
>GUYS DON'T REPLY TO THE SHITPOSTER
Literally what???
>>15433812
good job you passed the test
>>15433804
Who cares about being faster, it's all about fun and mr2 is if nothing else cooler to look at and sit in.
> pure
> shit nvh quality
> shit interior
> shit handling (fuck skid pad numbers and track times, on the touge you need to stay in your fucking lane)
> shit acceleration for such a small sports shitbox
It's pure shit
>>15433834
fun is a buzzword its meaningless
and no
the MR2 is shit in about everyway when it comes to looks and quality.
its an 80s shitbox so you plebs think its cool
Purest driving experience;
No power steering,sound proofing,radio, automatic transmission.
Enough power to push the limits of the chassis
A driver who knows how to push those limits and not die and always pushes the limits until he does die.
Dying in a fireball after pushing those limits is the ultimate death of a race-car driver, who wants to die in bed an old man?
>>15433835
>shit handling
no
>>15433850
> in decreasing radius turn
> let off gas to slow down
> "Hey, how did I end up upside down and dread? "
>>15433839
>fun is a buzzword its meaningless
Jesus man, every classic philosopher would just throw himself into abyss after hearing this.
>this will trigger hondafags
>>15433951
fun means nothing
its what you say when you cant think of any reason something is good
"oh man this car is good
"why?"
"its fun to drive!"
"..."
ANY car can be fun to drive its a stupid way to defend anything
>>15433964
and that makes less horsepower than a 1.6L Naturally aspirated Honda engine lel
>>15433842
>sound proofing,radio, automatic transmission
This bait isn't very fresh.
>>15433799
>has never driven one
Dont speak again without knowledge.
>>15434034
its not a special car no matter how much you pretend
its a low tier poorfag sports car
its barely a step up from a Miata
>>15434012
Literally every car is fun to drive
I hate everytime someone posts a thread about a aw11 or any other car for that matter it doesnt take long before shitposting shitstorm. Like always shitting on every car and being so close minded it hurts. Most people who say a car is good or bad in 90% scenario have never even driven it or sat in it, its sad.
>>15434041
This.
Ive had 2 civics, 2 miatas and 4 mr2s
The MR2s are far more fun
>>15434039
thats my point
any one who uses fun to say why a car is better is grade a retarded
>>15434012
>ANY car can be fun to drive
try having fun driving a kia sportage (pic related), two litter engine, poor excuse of an SUV.
>>15434092
Im sure I could
as could anyone with a smidgen of driving talent
>>15434106
now im sure you have never driven one
>>15434028
>Sound proofing/Radio
One must experience the full range of noise the vehicle makes
>Automatic Transmission
One must be connected at all times to the vehicle.
>>15434114
and Im sure you just dont know how to drive
>>15433762
maybe if you're poor
>>15433839
>mr2
>shitbox
Here's an 80's shitbox. I guarantee no one here thinks it's cool purely because it's a shitbox, especially the diesel one.
>>15434038
> willingly speaking from ignorance
>>15433860
by pushing your car hard without knowledge of the road
> i expect my car to fix my mistakes for me
why don't you go get a tesla and let it drive for you?
fuken idiot
>>15434066
what if, get this, it's actually MORE FUN to drive
OP here
For the poor faggots claiming that "hurr durr every car is fun", you haven't understood the essence that is a sports car.
A sports car isn't necessary a race car or a fast car, it's a drivers' car. An expression and a life style.
Fyi the car I'm driving right now is a Nissan Skyline R34 25GT-t. 280 PS that would slap every other car mentioned here. If you don't believe me, I can time stamp anytime.
But I got bored of it. It's kinda heavy, too quiet, too luxurious, too spacious, too fast to be fun.
Later I bought an NA MX5 as a second car and miraculously haven't missed a single bhp. I felt something that I've never felt in the Skyline, or atleast not to that extent. I felt alive, really. Never craved the road as much as in the Miata.
That was the moment when I realised I was looking for more purist cars. Power is nothing, driving is everything. And with that equation, I figured that the MR2 should be the best thing I could go for.
I would even import a supercharged model since I'm a Europoor and we never got thosem which would have me pay preddy much the same as for my Skyline, so it's not a money thing.
PS: I also had a 60 bhp Suzuki Wagon econobox for some time before the MX5 and I died a little inside everytime I stepped inside to just have a drive. So yes, some cars are more fun than others.
>>15435396
just fuck off man
>>15435423
Just leave the thread you fucking nigger go drive your hyundai or whatever
>>15435439
why are you being such an asshole
you really are a skyline driver huh
>>15435441
Why am I being an asshole and what does it have to do with my car?
I asked a legit question. It's my pov that some cars are more enjoyable to drive than others and if you disagree or don't like the MR2, feel free to not pay attention to my thread, asshole
>>15435463
You're an asshole dude
hostile for no reason
unable to see reason or change opinion
just more drivetrain shitposting
good job
>>15435423
where did this even come from.. its good insight, some cars are just more fun to drive, even without the stats.
>>15435508
> tells op to 'just fuck off man'
> gets told to leave the thread
>"aww man quit being so hostile :^("
Don't worry, I won't waste my time any longer with you.
>>15435537
It's just another FWD LOSER
WHY DONT THEY DIE
/o/ should make you prove you have a non FWD car to post
>>15435508
"hostile for no reason"
>>15435423
"just fuck off man"
the fuck is wrong with u
>>15435547
hes comparing a skyline (AWD) to a miata (RWD).. where do you get off thinking i drive a FWD..
>>15435565
I'm not talking about you
I bought one for $700 and I raced it on the local mountain 5 days a week for a month before it gave out and it easily was worth it every dollar. Especially I have a spare 4age sitting in my yard waiting to be put in a ae86 sr5
>>15435565
The 25GT-t (or GT-T) is rwd
Please just leave, I want this to be about cars, not about you and your borderline autism
>>15435592
How was it? Was the weight distribution ever a problem on the twists? Would you take it over a equally powerfull Miata?
>>15435508
>hostile for no reason
just fuck off man
>>15435618
Whats your problem?
>>15435600
As long a you have good tires and brakes you can rely on the weight never felt off. As long as you shot for the best line and just focused on that instead of trying to ever drift it I would say the weight is perfect. I would absolutely take it over a Miata, the mid engine placement and just style of them is 100x times better in my opinion.
>pic related, here is sits waiting for something to be done with it
>>15435396
I think you just realized youre homo
>>15435786
I think thats fair
>>15433762
>for its money
irrelevant due to Arbitrage
>>15435834
Pls explain
>>15435848
buying where the car is common
selling when the car is rare
something desirable is only cheep when the seller does not know what they have
>>15433762
I would say yes and here's why.
You have a high revving naturally displaced engine with a not perfect but clean manual gearbox. You have a very balanced mid-engined vehicle that rotates upon both braking and throttle. You have a throttle that is literally by wire, a physical metal wire that pulls the AFM and throttle. The steering is 100% manual and you can feel every single bump in the road, but not in the way it is harsh. The seats actually have good bolstering and keep you in. The brakes are very tight stock and brake very hard, although there is no ABS.
It's a blast to drive and rev out and a Miata just isn't quite the same.
>>15435770
>>15435930
Ohyesohyes I'm feeling more secure about buying one thanks guys
My friend has an 84 mr2.
I have a 91 Miata that I turboed.
Ive driven both extensively and the Miata outperforms the mr2 in every way, especially reliability, easy to work on, and cheap parts.
The mr2 however has acquired the specialt snowflake status that some people need.
>>15433762
You gotta understand what you want before you get a car.
The MR2 isn't fast. It's a driving experience. It teaches you what you should and shouldn't do. It teaches you how to turn, when to put on power, when to brake. Driving a MR2 is very engaging. The 4AGE is a high rpm engine. I find myself cruising in my MR2 at around 3500 -4000 consistently. The high RPM limit, makes the car extremely fun to drive. The Vehicle has fairly tall gearing (90mph in 3rd gear), but banging through the gears is still a very common occurrence. to make any usable power, keeping the revs up is paramount.. Heel-toeing is a must skill in this car.
The car definitely has a personality of it's own. The best way to describe it is like the 16 year old that's done too much cocaine at a highschool, party, only to later engage that night in an affair with her boyfriends dad, and then when he tries to end it report him to police for raping her.
That's a MR2. It craves your attention. It wants you to beat the piss out of it. It loves it. But the second you neglect it, it'll have no problem shoving that well placed dildo, glued to the side of a telephone pole straight through your door, and right down your throat.
The problem with the MR2, is it's like a good drug. The people that can't keep, are discarded. And the people that can keep, only want more. Want more power, more fear.
The car isn't fast. It's an experience.
My MR2 is stock NA car. I have a modified 90 Accord with Suspension and brake upgrades. The Accord is significantly faster, more forgiving, easier to drive, but the MR2 is more fun.
>all this autism in the comments section
>>15436035
and you're saying FWD cant do any of this it cant be fun it cant teach the driver its terrible?
>>15436030
You don't get me. My Skyline outperforms an MR2 too but that's not what I look for in cars, otherwise I might aswell could've bought myself an E39 M5 or something
>>15436035
That's exactly what I imagine the MR2 to be. It's exactly what I'm missing in my Nissan and the reason I'm looking into MR2s. Thanks alot!
>>15436082
So you agree? FWD is inferior?
>>15436082
Miata vs MR2 is an appropriate comparison.
The MR2 is not more fun, it's just more special. Which is cool.
Honestly I love both cars to death but the complexity and weight of the AW11 sways me to the Miata.
>>15433801
are you blind or just retarded? The sw20 is obejectively better.
>>15436076
Pick your poison. What do you like to do?
Are you a adrenaline junkie?
or do you like the technical driving experience?
If you're an adrenaline junkie, go for speed, if you like the difficult driving experience, go for a technical car.
Every car is different. Every car is fun in it's own way. Cruising in a old barge is great, stabbing the throttle and hearing a big block come to life, the torque throwing you back.
Keeping the momentum, managing body roll, managing brake fade.
Every engine has it's own feel. Every Chassis has a different way it reacts. The Suspension, bushing wear. Me and my friend has the exact same car, and personality difference between them was black and white.
Every car is different. FWD, is fun, RWD is fun, MR is fun, RR is fun, RF is fun.
It's not about inferiority. Enjoying cars, is about enjoying life.
>>15436151
>>15436151
That color.
Those GTR wheels.
Fug
>>15433804
have you driven anything other then your civic? also what year? theyre not all trash... kinda
fight the hate
>>15436089
what fo you drive?
>>15436161
What if I dont enjoy life
i want to enjoy life through car
and I have shitty fwd...
>>15436223
what fucking hate? your car is universally loved. you know nothing of hate. go fuck yourself
>>15434066
This is fucking glorious. I genuinely hope you believe this anon, you would be such a riot at car meets. Some people would be gushing over an FC RX7 that just pulled in and you would say "w-well any car can be fun, so fuck that shitbox! R-Right guys??" Car people would fucking hate you. You sound like an appliance salesman. All function. Get off of my fun board you fucking German.
>>15436256
Sounds like a personal problem.
>>15436277
Thats not what he said at all benchracer
>>15433834
Enjoy the experience of having to search for parts
>>15433835
>on the touge you need to stay in your fucking lane
t.gutless weenie
>>15436194
other Civics
FC RX7
Probe GT
535i
S10
Highlander
Camaro
El Camino
shit I could keep going man
>>15436277
FC is the worst RX7 so yeah I would be like that
only retarded car people would hate me since anyone with any sense would realize any car can be fun
not my fault most car people have some kind of mental issue
>>15436277
im not sure you want to side with the majority of car people anon
>>15435396
>Power is nothing, driving is everything. And with that equation, I figured that the MR2 should be the best thing I could go for.
Yeah driving straight into a tree after you oversteer in your poorfag shitbox on poorfag tires
>>15436151
>obejectively
Consider suicide
>>15436386
>Because sticky tires on a AW11 are expensive.
Nigga it's a corolla with the engine in the back, that uses the exact same suspension of a AE86.
Implying anything is expensive. I bought a set of good tires for ~$300 for all for. Chump change.
The 3 most expensive things you'll ever need to replace on these cars, the AFM, and TPS.
And lets be clear. Those are 80s mechanical to digital potentimeters. If you want cheap, hit up DIYPNP, throw a megasquirt sensor in it, and convert your bullshit to GM. stuff.
The MR2 is an absolute bitch to work on. My friend across the street has one. Driven it a few times. The manual steering feels great for driving in the countryside, it's a fucker when trying to park.
The car has next to no space for luggage or people.
It has appropriate power for its chassis. Not too much, not too little. Just so. I love the interior. It's everything I love about the eighties.
It's a driver's car. It's built for driving pleasure. It's a car that isn't very good in a city environment. When in the countryside, it's pure bliss. It demands respect when driven quickly. It's not an AWD front-heavy ABS + TCS + power steering carebear. It's as hardcore as is humanly bearable in the real world, i.e. it's not a race car granted, but you can't treat it like your Subaru WRX. It demands respect, it demands humility, it demands that you put aside your driving ego and re-learn what it is to DRIVE a car.
>>15436423
You (OP) consider a car you've never driven before to be the purest driving experience just because it's got a rear engine and the suspension of an 80's econobox?
Define a "pure driving experience"
>>15436423
>Nigga it's a corolla with the engine in the back, that uses the exact same suspension of a AE86
Not even close
>>15436386
Nigger if I can afford running a '98 Skyline Turbo don't you think I can afford a good set of tires?
>>15436377
>FC is the worst RX7
>>15436454
Doesn't it have the same engine + transaxle as a Corolla? Just literally flipped round and planted midship.
Not that guy btw.
>>15436458
I think you spent all your neetbux on the skyline and didn't have any money left for mods after you """restored""" a beat to shit skyline. I'm sure it runs OP, just barely.
>>15436448
The stress lays on the word "consider", hence why I'm asking if any owners can confirm
It's really difficult to define, it's not something you can point your finger at. Let me put it that way; I wanna feel the car communicating with me. I want to be having to constantly read what it tries to tell me when driving on curvy roads or something. I don't feel that in the Skyline, I hope you know what I mean
>>15436459
it is tho
the pigfat and bland styling easily does it in
>>15436471
>It's really difficult to define, it's not something you can point your finger at. Let me put it that way; I wanna feel the car communicating with me. I want to be having to constantly read what it tries to tell me when driving on curvy roads or something. I don't feel that in the Skyline, I hope you know what I mean
I feel this in my 2002 civic si ep3. I don't look at my gauges to shift or any of that stuff
>inb4 "b-b-b-but /o/ said FF isn't a real driving experience!"
>>15436469
I work as a consultant at Deutsche Bank and the car is mechanically in mint condition. I'm more of a purist hence why I'm importing an sc model instead of buying a domestic LHD version and supercharge it. I like my cars stock
Sorry for your penis tho, bro
>>15436482
>2400lbs is pigfat
>subjective look
Yeah youre retarded.
>>15436466
No it does not have a 4afe.
>>15436487
Unlike you I didn't need a turbo to feel like a man
>>15436151
looks like a dog took a shit, that looks like a dog squatting to take a shit
>>15436493
fanboy detected
especially since they dont even weigh anywhere near that
FD is a masterpiece
FB/SA is a light weight low speed riot
FC is just a sloppy fatass
>>15436498
I'm gonna screengrab this and post it on my meme page mang
>>15436497
The AE86 had a 4AGE.
The MR2 had a 4AGE.
They were both produced at the same time.
The AE86 had a Corolla variant.
Without going to wiki, I'd say this is sound evidence.
>>15436454
>>15436466
Yeah. It has the same engine as a AE92.
And I guess I should have specified. The front is the same. It uses the same steering wheel, same rack, same brake master cylinder. Everything in the front of a AW11 is exactly the same as a AE86. down to strut bolt battern. The only thing that may be different is the spring rate, and shock stiffness. The rear is what's different.
If you look at the dash of a AE86, and a MR2. You can see the design similarity. The switch locations are identical, and actually even the switches are the same. The only difference is the plastic cosmetic pieces.
>>15436501
>1986 5-speed sport 2,625lbs
I know the base model weighed less.
Youre not even factoring the design that went into that car.
>>15436528
>>15436530
yeah thats not good considering FDs weigh about the same and are much better in every way lol
FB/SA is even lighter and handle better than the pig FC
>>15436558
You are flat out retarded.
>>15436563
cant even defend your car can you fanboy?
ad hominem doesnt help you
FC a shit
>>15436558
>FDs weigh about the same
2900lbs = 2600lbs
>FB/SA is even lighter and handle better than the pig FC
2500lbs w/100hp and Solid axle VS. 2600lbs w 150hp to 180hp and independant suspension
Good lord you are a tard.
>>15436569
It seems more than one person finds you to be retarded
>>15436587
>cherry picking heaviest FD model
most were 27-2800
>cant even get FB right at all
the 100hp one was like 2300 only the GSL-SE was around 2500 and it had 135hp
irs means shit when its a pigfat chunk of shit solid axle =/= bad handling either
confirmed benchracer
>two confused kids (who, evidently, care more about the other than themselves, because they keep freaking replying) arguing about RX-7s in an MR2 thread.
Yup. I didn't get any replies to my more recent posts here so I'm officially out. Peace.
>>15436558
>>15436563
>>15436569
>>15436587
>>15436592
>>15436608
Bench racers. You guys are arguing stocks cars etc. The beauty of the FB is that you can put a bigger carb on it, and a exhaust, and it'll net you 30hp.
FC's are fuel injected, and greatly limits tuning capability. You guys can compare benchracers numbers all fucking day. Not to mention if you peripheral port, or Bridgeport, it'll net you more power. The beauty of a rotary is the mechanical ease to work on(The FB is a small car, and you can sit in the engine bay) With a carb you can tune the car very easily.
It's like neither of you have actually owned a RX7 and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>15436645
>calls benchracing
>brings up mods
oh my fucking sides
fuck off kid
>>15436648
>Arguing about the rotary
>Not bringing up mods
Yeah lets not talk about mods on the most easily modifiable engine in history.
>>15433762
If you're able to pick one up for under 5k, then yeah.
Otherwise you're better off buying the real best carfu, the zzw30.
(then it's the lotus)
>>15433860
>"oh right because I don't know how to drive a mid engine rwd car properly and I'm treating it like a different layout"
>all these buttburt busriders and FF econobox owners
Are parts expensive? Does it require maint often? Is it a royal PITA to work on?
If so it isn't worth owning imo. Cars are meant to be driven. If you spend more time fixing something than sitting behind the wheel it's a bad car.
Legit questions btw, I don't know much about the AW11
>>15436738
lol. I initially thought he was saying he had a passenger who told him to let go of the acceleration
I've got a buddy who can't handle the mid-engine bantz, talked about how he doesn't want to die young when I was going through track turns with my revs up
>>15436702
I fucking love ZZW30s. What's the cutoff in terms of mileage when loooking for one with the precats still on?
I hear that they get sucked in and fuck the engine to the point of it being very noticable past 70K miles, is that true?
I'd pick up a 2003+ model; but they're 13K here.
>>15436774
Parts are... meh. You gotta know where to look. General shit is easy to find.
Shocks? No problem.
Rotors? No problem.
Brake pads? No problem.
Master Cylinder? No problem.
Is a amalgamation of the shit Toyota had in the bin, and they threw it together in a MR package.
The things that get pricey are the fuel injection system components.
AFM $179
TPS $99
That's just because it's 80 mechanical to digital potentionmeter tech. You could always convert it to a aftermarket computer for $500 and pay $8 for a gm tps, and afm.
There are some parts that are unique that might be difficult to find. Mainly parts for the cooling system. The radiator is unique to the MR2. There's a radiator filler neck in the back of the car, that's unique to the MR2. The hoses are all unique to the MR2. You get used to this stuff. People on /o/ aren't actually mechanically inclined, and if there's not a preformed volcanized rubber hose that fits perfectly "It's tooo harrrrd"
I my AW11, I have replace the the Clutch master cylinder, slave cylinder, rebuilt the head, new thermostat, new gaskets on everything, new distributor, new TPS, new AFM.
The car is a pain in the ass to work, if you've never worked on it before. There's just some things you need to be aware of. If you're gonna work on the timing belt side of the engine, you're going to have to drain all the coolant, to get the hoses out of the way.
There are a series of steps you are required to do on a MR2, that you can't skip. There are no shortcuts. Once you except that. Everything is fine.
If you're buying a mr2, there's 2 things you need to check. First thing is how long the car takes to warm up. Look for any indication the thermostat has been taking out. This means the headgasket is blown, and is a endeavor to replace. You want to make sure you amply head soak the shit out of the car. If the car has any cooling problems, do not buy it. It's a headgasket. Plain and simple.
>>15436377
>Any car can be fun gaiz
Oh yeah, you can abuse a corolla and INERTIA DORIFTO all day, but you can have more fun and more kinds of fun in a different car. And when you're having fun with other cars, you need a comparable car to have any fun at all. Crazy how that works m8o.
>>15434038
It's what weebs buy when they want stock fieros
>>15433860
letting off the gas and snatching your foot away from the pedal are two different things.
>>15436852
>Over dramatasized every fucking thing
Holy shit they are super easy to work on you pansy ass nancy boy.
>>15436151
I just noticed the Anniversary Edition Z31 with the Work Miesers behind it, and I see this pic too often.
>>15436834
Cutoff isn't mileage, it's year, 2003 onwards were basically sorted out.
As for price, dealers are open to negotiation, often they don't know about the initial D meme pricing, and just want them gone. Mine was up for 13k, I said I'll come back a little later, but I wanted to look at some 350z's for the same price. Guy asked me point blank what number that would mean a sale. After a little back and forth I ended up getting it for $10,500 (with 65,000km on the clock)
I think you'd like the car, the handling is honestly godly. Turning at almost any speed is fun because the car is so light weight. If you've never driven an ultra light car before, you're in for a treat. Nothing feels as nice, save for a lotus. (I've driven a 3.2 boxster S for a while, and it's not as fun)
>>15437012
Yeah, the 2003 ones are out of my budget but there are 2001 Japanese right hand drive ones models with like 70-80K KMs for sale for 5-6K but the pre cat issue has me worried.
I've heard so many good things about the car except for the engine.
I have a gutted 86 so I'm no stranger to go karts but everyone that's driven one praises it.
>>15437041
Mine's a 2001. Precats are a super easy fix on low km mr2's mayne. The newer ones have a better suspension setup and different gearing, but the old zzw30's are still great (and imo pre-facelift is nicer), there's no reason to discount them unless you can't find one with decent milage.
(You just need to be able to lift the car to access them from underneath)
>>15436834
once the precats go it's not just noticeable the engine is right fucked
