I have to confess to you, /o: I don't consider any vehicle not made by Toyota to be a serious car/truck/whatever. Like the rest of the manufacturers seem to be producing some sort of meme cars that constantly break down, can't start in adverse conditions, leak their fluids everywhere, their electrics melt with time, everything about them is shit. Ford, BMW, Fiat, GMC, VW, etc... they all make cars for people who don't take life seriously: ie they don't care if their turd of a car breaks down on their way to work and they miss an important meeting. I mean it's a subjective opinion of course, but perhaps there's a reason why Toyota is the #1 automotive manufacturer.
>>15420203
I agree
Toyota owner here;
Fuck up, dickhead.
>>15420219
>Samefagging to bump your own thread.
Why don't you go back to your furfag porn?
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
>unironically believing that subarus aren't the most reliable vehicles ever produced in glorious nippon
>>15420247
>falling for the horizontally opposed engine meme
>>15420247
Subaru owner here: the reliability isn't any better than most Japanese manufacturers
>>15420203
HEY FLIPPER COME ON NOW. SETTLE DOWN THERE BUDDY
>>15420203
I drive a Toyota and you're a tard
>>15420203
My Honda is more reliable than your Toyota
>>15420247
>>15420259
Also Subaru owner here, the NA 3.0 and 3.6 has tier reliability. It's the EJ20 and EJ25 you have to watch out for.
>>15420276
(You)
>>15420203
I think you said it best yourself "I mean it's a subjective opinion." Now what do opinions and assholes have in common?
>>15420279
>has tier
*has god tier
>>15420230
Not even op
>>15420279
Hmmmm... let me guess why... the first two have a timing chain and the other two have timing belts?
>>15420279
I'm >>15420259 and I rebuilt my EJ25 with new gaskets and all that good stuff, and it doesn't burn oil anymore, but I still wouldnt say that it's more reliable than any other car that I've owned
Granted, my other car is pretty reliable (wouldn't ya know, it's a toyota)
>>15420294
Yes, and no turbo to shit out on you. Also less head gasket issues.
>>15420303
Fuck, why was Subaru so retarded to put a timing belt on their engine?
>>15420294
First two don't have cheap-ass paper gaskets
>>15420300
I want to rebuild my 3.0R and boost it.. Shit would be so cash, however unlike my wallet.
>>15420315
No idea man..
"Toyota" is Japanese for "passionless".
>>15420327
I'm thinking of boosting my EJ25 some day, slapping on some parts from an STI 2.5 or swapping the engine to a full STI setup
>>15420341
Might as well just engine swap man, but a rekt STI and swap the parts over. It would be way cheaper.
>tfw my Outack has the exact same longblock as an STI
300+ HP wagon, here I come
>>15420335
"Passion" with respect to cars is a meme developed by marketing people in order to sell absolute shitboxes to gullible morons.
>>15420341
>>15420353
>mfw you literally just said that
>>15420362
spotted the cuck who drives an appliance
>>15420315
guaranteed maintenance, cheaper to manufacturer, and timing belts take up less engine space that a chain.
>>15420353
That's what I'm thinking. Buy up some totaled WRX for parts and swap the engine
>>15420361
My Legacy has the same block as the STI all I have to do is change up the wiring harness a bit
>>15420373
All cars are appliances.
>>15420379
My legacy lesmobile.
Put a couple of turbos on it and soon they'll call me King lesbo.
You have the legacy or outback man?
>>15420395
Legacy GT Wagon
>>15420203
Toyota's cars can no longer compete. Their best sellers especially-Corolla, Camry, and Rav4-are near the worst in their class. Have you ever compared them back to back? Driving a 2012 Corolla after owning a 2012 Focus was eye opening. It's almost unbelievable how terrible the Corolla is.
>>15420406
Nice, manual?
Also did you put the new gasket in yourself?
>>15420441
Of course it's manual, and yeah I rebuilt it with the help of a buddy. He let me use his shop and his cherry-picker and all that, but I did a majority of the work
>>15420448
Any prior experience? I thought about buying an old car to fuck around with before I start toying around with the H6
>>15420203
in the 90s I would have agreed with you OP. But now Toyota phones it in on everything they make, and sheep like you fall for the "Toyota quality" myth that doesn't exist anymore. Get with the times buddy
I have a toyota aygo
>>15420395
>>15420406
Outback XT, manual
>>15420438
Yea, now compare resale values.
>>15420466
This is the only engine I've done myself. A few years ago I helped my dad rebuild a Chevy Smallblock 350, but all I really did was torque shit down while he did the real work
Either way it wasn't too bad. Just gotta keep everything organized and clean. Also I was so anal that I took a picture of almost every part before I took it off, which helped a bit, too
I also think I found torque specs for everything online but I'm not sure on what site or whatever
>>15420480
That gap is pretty close among Japanese makes, always remember this is not 1988
>>15420486
>I also think I found torque specs for everything online but I'm not sure on what site or whatever
http://sl-i.net/FORUM/showthread.php?18087-Subaru-Factory-Service-Manuals-(FSM)-Every-Model-USDM-EU
>>15420507
Ye pretty much that
also I forgot to mention that I milled down the heads while they were off, but I sent that to a specialty shop, so that's one of the few things I didn't do myself
>>15420486
Props to you mate, I might have to do some research and take a month of work to get some shit done.
>>15420476
My man. I love the outbacks. Was going to get one with the H6 engine. But I'm almost regretting getting the H6 in the first place. So hard to tune it for many horsepowers...
>>15420529
the turbo 2.5 is arguably the better engine
>>15420480
the resale values are based on the out of date ideas like the idiotic OP's. Frankly I'm happy about it as amazing cars like the Focus ST will be worth less than the Corolla S in the very near future
>>15420534
They have their advantages/disadvantages.
If I had the money though:
http://blog.perrinperformance.com/perrin-h6-build-up/
>>15420538
Yea, your mechanic is going to be able to lease a nice bmw 550 with your money.
>>15420472
I have it toyota cera
>>15420203
The cars you mentioned are for people who care about cars, Toyotas are for people who don't give a shit and neglect it until it burns out and then they just buy another one. I've known people with Toyota's that are so ignorant about cars that they put dish washing liquid in their windscreen washer tank and have NEVER done an oil service.
Honestly when I see Toyota's, I just think the person doesn't care about cars at all.
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>>15420550
OP triggered
>>15420203
Toyota is number one manufacturer for the same reason that /k/ loves the Mosin nagant.
They make cheap shit.
that works.
For a toyota anything, there is a better alternative. But that alternative costs more, and needs maintenance.
Toyota is the company for people who don't really like cars and just want to go places.
>>15420688
>better alternative
>needs more maintenance
>costs more
Just wow, now I remember why I stopped coming to /o/
>>15420769
>I have autism
Yes a car can be better vehicle but require more maintenance and cost more, McNamara.
A tundra towing tops at around 10,000lb, while a ram can top around 10,650, ford 12,200 and sierra similarly 12,000.
They are better towing vehicles, but cost more, and more maintenance intensive.
They also have pluses like incar wifi for gmc, adjustable suspension for dodge and Aluminum construction for ford. The only thing toyota likes to boast about is it's electronic LSD, which most american trucks have had alternatives for that work exactly the same.
Point is, these trucks are BETTER, but more expensive.
You can do the same for any toyota. Fiesta is a nicer ride than yaris, etc.
It's really not that complex.
>>15420769
>costs more
Half your argument was that Toyotas held their value better and would therefore cost more, Señor Dingleberry.
Toyotas are shit.
Shit interior.
Shit power.
Noisy as shit.
No proper automatics.
Make no power.
But at least its reliable... right? What point is there owning a car that is shit in every other way? There are numerous makes that are as reliable as Toyota but actually feel like they were made for people who actually like cars.
>>15420576
>Honestly when I see Toyota's, I just think the person doesn't care about cars at all.
This.
/thread
>>15420688
>>15420788
Hey, ever heard of the word "Contradictory"?
Fuckin' retard. ALL cars require maintenance. And with a Toyota vehicle, if you do the exact same maintenance to a Tundra, a F150, Dodge 1500, and a Sierra 1500, at the same mileage intervals, the Toyota is gonna outlive them.
I have seen 4Runners that have been beat to shit and abused with terrible maintenance history make it to 300K miles with no major repairs.
I have seen multiple Tacomas with just regular oil changes and normal maintenance make it past 500K. The last time I saw a chevvy make it that far, it had THOUSANDS of dollars in repairs done to it.
>>15420793
As for you, here's my fatass 07' 4Runner, with full time 4wd, tipping the scales at 4,800 pounds with me in it, doing 0-60 in about 6 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSXn-mPAuU
>>15420801
>the Toyota is gonna outlive them
not when it rusts in half
>>15420793
Oh yeah I forget rust. All even slightly older Toyotas seem rusty as fuck whereas BMWs, Volvos etc seem just fine.
Toyota prices are astronomical, at least where I live.
You're not getting an extra 30% of value out of a Toyota over the equivalent Honda, Ford, etc. Econobox is an econobox. The reputation is driving the market nuts.
Yes, we all have stories of the 500k Camry on oil changes. Plenty of well made cars.
>>15420809
>>15420818
Y'know, I don't think I have ever once encountered a rusted frame on a vehicle...
Probably has to do with living in North Texas, now that I'm actually thinking about it. No salt here...
But it's pretty crazy what the Texas sun will do to em' if you leave em out there long enough. I've seen old mazda's straight up go from blue to bleached white.
>>15420832
Lol what? Toyota's are the cheapest cars around, they're literally dirt cheap. The only slightly expensive ones are brand new ones or meme cars like MR2s or AE86s.
>>15420838
>live in a place where there is no winter, salt
>wonders why the cars don't rust
Texans confirmed for idiots.
>>15420801
>Do the exact same maintenance on two completely different vehicles
Are you retarded?
And the American trucks are still BETTER than the tundra. They tow better, they offer better, they're better trucks.
And no, your anecdotal evidence means jack shit, when plenty of million mile diesel trucks are rolling around.
I got rid of my focus at over 600,000 kilometers on it. Most expensive thing i ever did to it was get the tranny flushed once. Now i'm working with a CRV at over 300,000. Only regular maintenance as well.
Funny enough, the car that has given my family the most trouble was a corolla, when it's transmission would jerk in first gear. The bands wore out probably. That was 1300 to repair.
But i don't blame the car, because i'm not a retarded fanboy.
>>15420863
TL;DR
>>15420863
>And the American trucks are still BETTER than the tundra.
>fall apart before they pass 60k mark
>better
autism
>They tow better, they offer better, they're better trucks.
only in tv ads
>when it's transmission would jerk in first gear.
are you one of those non-car retards who doesn't change ATF? No surprises there.
>>15420203
Visited the Toyota plant in Nagoya two weeks ago. You can sense the vim and vigor and passion among all who work there. It's sad that the higher-ups are content with making boring cars, but I can assure you that no other company cares more about their product than Toyota, save maybe Ferrari or Koenigsegg.
All of their cars are just-in-time, meaning that they are only produced when ordered by dealers, unlike other manufacturers who crank out cars to meet quotas and zoom them off to dealers to either 1) sell or 2) rust.
Their manufacturing facilities are humane, clean and the epitome of high-technology. You absolutely CANNOT get a better car for the money.
>inb4 paid shill
LEMANS NOT FOR TOYOTA
>>15422006
>Ferrari
>caring about their product
>>15420793
>What point is there owning a car that is shit in every other way?
Because some people have actual jobs and need to get to work every day.
There's such a thing as owning two cars.
>>15420388
You're a fucking appliance
>>15420793
>But at least its reliable... right?
Would you consider dropped valves and lunched engines on your brand new Toyota V6 and V8 as reliable? Who even has those kind of problems anymore?
>>15425451
>making shit up: the post
