Does anyone else miss the most underdog company?
I always thought they made pretty handsome cars. They started running out near the end and were often overshadowed by Subaru who had more money.
I don't know.
I wish Mitsubishi could make enthusiast cars again
When they start making all new cars again they'll just be as bogged down with tech as everyone else
I don't like cars
They made *one* good car and it was one-upped by an all-around better car. Mitsubishi makes cars as a hobby.
Evo kicks shit out of sti any day of the week
I always wondered why Mitsubishi made cars. They make TVs. Automobiles couldn't be more different.
I never really gave them much thought as an automobile company. I don't think there's even a Mistubishi in the sticky. How are they?
>>15413401
>the most underdog company
The most underdog is probably mazda, not mitsubshi
mitsubishi probably had the resources to build really good cars, but it got fucked in the ass by poor management or something
>>15413444
>mazda is the underdog company
people actually believe this
>>15413411
>They made *one* good car and it was one-upped by an all-around better car.
That's not true.
>>15413436
Mitsubishi Group is not a single company, it's just a group of loosely related ones. MMC does not and never has made anything other than cars. IMO the cars are highly underrated. They have great engineers.
>>15413491
I realize that it's a conglomerate of companies, but I always considered it to be more of an electrical company than a car company. What do you think is their best model?
>>15413507
>I realize that it's a conglomerate of companies
It's actually a loosely related collection of conglomerates and independent companies.
>What do you think is their best model?
Absolute best, always top of the line? The Pajero, clearly. But really everything else is very good, as well. Pajero Sports, Pajero Minis, Pajero Jr, Delica, Delica Mini, etc.
>>15413436
They were an automobile and aircraft company long before they made TV's. Ever notice that the one big building left totally standing in Hiroshima in 1945 was Mitsubishi headquarters?
Who do you think made the Zero?
>>15413401
>Does anyone else miss the most underdog company?
No, the car company was full of corruption as managers would make short term decisions to make themselves look good for bonus awards but those decisions cost the company in the long term. The corruption caught up to the company as it got prosecuted decade after decade in Japan for deceptive practices. So the consumers stopped buying.
That malaise came over in the USA side too. So no wonder it died. Good riddance to corruption.
>>15413605
>They were an automobile and aircraft company long before they made TV's.
MHI only made military vehicles and never made televisions.
>>15413620
you're right thank god we have cars bogged down with all this computer bullshit now
I really wish that they focused on the lancer and other sedans instead of working on their crossover. I genuinely think the lancer would be a great car if they just did some small tweaks with it (handling mostly). for the price point of their GT, you get a decent manual, practical power, and a pretty decent set of options thrown into a pretty simple looking layout. and the car doesn't look that bad as it is either.
I always wanted them to bring back the almighty Starion. It would have made a good Frs/miat/stang competitor.
>>15413620
>good riddance to corruption
Meanwhile, GM and FCA are still alive and well
>>15413777
New Starion would be cool.
what's the deal with the eclipse? they look nice IMO, they can be had dirt cheap in 5 speed manual with <100K miles, and the interior isn't total shit. what's wrong with them besides muh FWD?
>>15413797
>>3400lbs
>>15413444
>Mazda is the most underdog car
>posts a fucking Miata
God there is too many of you in every thread
How long until they disappear from the market? Iirc they only have 3 cars in their lineup and the Lancer is going away.
>>15413777
Old starions and mk3 supras always make me smile
>>15413797
Which Eclipse? The main issue is they were all destroyed by children.
>>15413815
It'll be a long time, globally, but maybe not long for the American market because they never really gave a fuck about us.
>>15413810
noted. that being said, would an eclipse still make a reliable, decent looking shitbox even if it isn't exactly a performance car?
>>15413837
let's just say 3rd gen, seeing as that's what is mostly available in my area
>>15413837
They sold a lot in the US, mostly rebranded as Dodge, but even stuff like the Eclipse was really only sold in the USA
>>15413851
If you can find one that hasn't been molested it'll be a fine shitbox.
>>15413855
>They sold a lot in the US
They really didn't compared to what they sold/sell in the rest of the world, though.
>mostly rebranded as Dodge
Definitely way less of the Dodge rebranded vehicles than the actual Mitsubishi vehicles (1G Montero 3dr vs Raider, GTO vs Stealth, Ram 50 vs Mighty Max). Raiders are actually fairly rare, in fact.
>Saw a stock looking evo 6 drive by my house in Vancouver the other day
goddam I was so excited. Mitsubishi and Subaru were on fucking point in the 90's man.
It's easy to spot someone who doesn't know about cars, when they think the STI is a better car than the Evo
>>15413466
>>15413811
Explain why it isn't. I'm not even a Mazda fanboy, just curious what your reasoning is.
>>15413430
>no wins since the late 90's
>>15413904
because they're on top of the world and everyone knows it? nobody sane talks shit about them
>>15413883
Early WRX's where quite quick and successful, after about 2001-02 they got fat, turned into road cars and never really won much. But anyone that wanted to win consistently, generally got an Evo
why are there so many god damn lancer oz rally for sale
>>15413925
why do i have to be so poor? there is no good mitsu in the sub 3k
>>15413918
>mazda
>on top of the world
Mazda is nothing compared to Honda, Toyota, GM and Ford. And it is against these companies that they are competing against.
They might make great cars, but that doesn't mean they aren't an underdog in the grand scheme of things.
I just bought an Eclipse because I actually really like the styling, and I had a 3g Eclipse that lasted me nearly 200,000 miles of abuse that an 18 year old with their first car could put it through.
So far I'm actually really in love with this car. Maybe it's because I'm been hopping from $500 shit box to $500 shit box everytime something goes wrong with one of them.
And hell, it was only $6k. I'll have it paid off in a year, two tops. The Rockford Fosgate sound system is pretty nice as well.
>>15413952
What was the Lancer Evo's best year?
>>15413401
They did it to themselves. Hopping in bed with Chrysler led to a permanent stain on the brand in the Burger market. Also the WRX and STi were cheaper than the Ralliart and Evo.
Also the LS series Mirage sucks compared to the CE series.
>>15413411
t. Ken Blockhead
>>15413906
>benchracing
>>15413951
>why are there so many god damn lancer oz rally for sale
It's a rice trim. The only performance trims for Lancers with exception to the Evo were the CC series GSR and CE series Ralliart.
>>15414032
1999 to 2001. VI a best. They started getting fat from VII onwards.
>>15414003
looks great, man. how's it handle? does it shift smooth? any weird issues?
>>15414003
>4g Eclipse
you poor bastard
>>15414081
Everything on it feels great. Interior is really nice. Roomy af trunk. Comfy and sporty looking bucket seats. Shifts just fine, feels a bit sluggish but it is a 4cyl auto. I didn't really buy it for performance. I bought it because I liked the way it looked and I wanted something I could rely on.
Everything is relative though. My last car was a 17 year old civic with over 200k miles on it when I bought it. So this car feels like driving a dream in comparison.
Don't think they sold the wagon variant in the states, and if they did I've never seen one.
Think these are great looking though
>>15414140
You could get a wagon, but not a VR-4.
I miss the Magna and 380, solid cars. Sad they closed down their aussie plant
>Didn't sell Evos in the US not counting the pigfat last 2 gens
>Didn't sell VR4s in the US
a-atleast the earlier models can be imported here now..
>>15414238
I'm surprised we don't see more people mucking about with the factory AWD VR-X Magnas.
>>15413436
They made the first passenger vehicle in Japan actually.
I wish they made more than riced out fwd shitboxes
Why no cheap rwd shitboxes
>>15414891
Because RWD is inherently more expensive than FWD to design and manufacture for a shitbox company. For BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, etc. it's fine because their entire product lines are based around it, but the opposite is true for Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc. They make primarily FWD to begin with, so it takes a lot of effort to spin up the tooling and logistics to create a RWD vehicle - it just doesn't make a lot of economic sense to the company. That's why the GT86 was such an exciting experiment to people who actually follow the car industry seriously - Toyota and Subaru spent a lot of time, money, and effort to create a cheaper RWD car out of thin air.
It's not quite the same for the likes of Chrysler, GM, and Ford - the Mustang and Camaro have been around forever and already have a very large fan and consumer base. The Challenger and Charger also basically HAVE to exist for Chrysler to maintain a spot among the "American big 3" in the minds of consumers because the Mustang and Camaro.
>>15413401
I don't know. I'm honestly mad that the era of japanese enthusiast cars that are fairly affordable and can do as regular daily drivers is over. No more decent Mitsus, no more sporty Toyotas, no more cool Mazdas or Nissans. Even Honda went to shit and only really offers the Civic Type R which is meh.
>>15414140
The Galant is pretty much my dream car. Looking to buy a clean one in a few years after selling my Carisma.
The L200 and Pajero are still breddy gud.
But the only Mitsubishis Americans seem to care about are the Eclipse and Lancer.
>>15413401
Mitsubishi Motors got fucked hard by Daimler, when they bought most of their stocks in the 2000s.
Then daimler cherrypicked anything they could out of Mitsubishi with little to no investments into the development of new cars and engines.
Finally after 5 years daimler fucked off and sold all the stocks.
Most cars from the year 2000 to 2005 we're mediocre with outdated but reliable engines, also huge quality issues with the cars built in the netherlands for the european market. What also added salt into the wound was the discontinuation of the Space Gear, Space Wagon, Space Runner, L300 and L400, also no new Sigmas, since they simply didn't get the ressources from daimler.
Now they got a good hit with the ASX (Outlander Sport).
The Space star (Mirage) could do better if it had a little bit of a bigger engine and better noise insulation for the passenger cabin. The Lancer Sportback is a good bang for a buck in my country. Beats buying a new dacia for the same price anyday.
I hope since the Nissan and Renault alliance have bought tons of stocks, we will see a reintroduction of discontinued cars by gaymler and maybe a new evo, 3000GT, eclipse, Sigma or Galant.
>>15415451
What i forgot to add was that MItsubishi shouldn't be sticking CVT's into any car bigger than a subcompact like the Mirage.
>>15413436
Daewoo also make all of Koreas service firearms
>tfw there will never be a Mitsu with adjustable air suspension again
>>15414282
They're a good car, the engine makes enough torque down low to scare up some speed, generally nicely balanced, appointed and not any real problems I know of.
But- only in 4spd Auto.
The Ralliart is actually quicker by the way and for what you pay, get a lot of car. Only sad thing about those is that they where supposed to be AWD, but Mitsu-Au ran out of dollaryroos and has to settle for fwd, real pity because they where nice cars.
Years ago a friend bought his AWD Diamante over from NZ and we dropped a GTO driveline in it -which wasn't mechanically much fun, kind of like fucking with chalk as lube. Real sleeper that just looked like another shitbox Magna with peeling clearcoat until given a bootfull and then its bye-bye.
>>15415451
>Having any faith in Renault-Nissan
>Ever
>>15415576
I like being optimistic, better than being pessimistic.
Nissan still got a Nismo trim and the GT-R.
Renault heavily improved on quality control and quality all around by learning from Nissan.
>>15415674
>GT-R
Yeah what a fucking driver's car that is, as shitty as that new NSX pile of fuck
>>15415679
Have you driven one by yourself? I didn't, so i can't say what it's like. It's a miracle that it exists and is still produced, in this world of soccer moms lusting after pick up trucks and SUV's.
Even the Miata is here and a NSX. Instead of eating sour grapes all the time, we should be happy with what we get. Sure it's not the same as it's predecessor but it's something alright or would you rather have a NSX SUV or Miata Minivan?
>>15415699
I want a driver's car
the NSX and GT-R are just laptime machines
In my opinion they fail just as hard as soccer mom trucks and SUV's
>>15415498
>you will never have a 3 door Pajero II with hydraulic adjustable suspension.
>>15415715
My point was that they even get a chance to EXIST. It's a start.
What about the GT86/BRZ, the ND Miata? Isn't that a drivers car?
Some people just can't be pleased, no matter what you give them.
Suit yourself, my man.
>>15415719
Pajeros had that?
>>15415299
>tfw the 2016 LC JUST caught up with the Pajero IV
When are they going to update it and being it back to America? I have money ready.
>>15415750
Yes. Only the 3 door high end models for some reason. You had a normal and off road height. They was a hydraulic pump accessory that pushed two bottle jack looking adjusters that replaced the anchors for the torsion bars and two bladders that sat on top of the coil springs in the rear.
>>15415762
Impressive.
Always thought only the Sigma, 3rd gen Sapporo and higher trim level Galants got such an adjustable suspension.
I work for a Mitsubishi-KIA dealership and I would get a Mitsubishi any day of the week. In fact, I am on my fourth one. Have been leasing, but I drive too much so I bought and outlander. Never had any serious issues with any of them.
We see A LOT of older mitsubishis with over 100k on odometer. One of our employees have a 240k Endeavor, it does have issues but still fucking drives around. Monteros are always nice to see, every owner of a montero says that they will never trade it for anything else. Bunch of 2000s galants and 2004-06 lancers.
People miss the eclipse, endeavors and raiders, but mitsubishi said that they would like to produce only "world" cars which means they want to sell same cars all over the world. The three cars they discontinued were pretty much specific to America.
Mitsubishi is now heading for a shady future though. I hate nissans and therefore i worry. All the electrical and engine problems of nissans are soon to become our reality.
But also, in future plans Mitsubishi have announced a turbo version of a Mirage (sounds ridiculous, I know), possibly bringing Montero (after chicken tax law expires) and maybe the triton (but now that they have access to Titan, who knows?).
Not really digging the new Montero Sport look, but I'll take an older full size Montero any day.
>>15415746
You're an idiot for thinking those two cars existing means the industry isn't broken
>>15415768
>Impressive.
You'd be surprised at the kind of things the NL Pajero had in 1997. 5 speed automatic with manual shift mode, pneumatic locking differential, a full GPS, automatic climate control front and rear, etc.
>>15415780
Damn, never thought to meet anyone else working for mitsu.
Working for a mitsu dealership in yurop. Our dealership sold tons of Outlander Sport this and last year.
We still get old mitsus aswell, like old lancer station wagons from the late 90s with AWD, people cling onto them and are even ready to pay money to fix all the rust spots and holes. Some older galants aswell, lately we had one with 400k km on the clock but the owner had to give it up due to
rust. Engine still ran like a dream and the auto transmission worked fine aswell. Problem is that Mitsubishi has nothing in store for them. No AWD station wagon, no other sedan besides the lancer.
>>15415780
Here's a picture showing the little selection monitor for the adjustable suspension in the tachometer.
>>15415768
My NL has ruined other wagons for me. It's just got everything I could ask for. The new Montero Sport is pretty ugly from the rear, but I'd still drive it if I had no choice of a Montero.
>>15415498
fuck i love this
>>15414078
Wrong. The best years for them were 2000 to 2006
>>15415799
People won't pay for shit and want the cheapest turds out there.
Then there's the government breathing down the manufacturers neck with shittons of regulations.
Industry always goes there where the money lies, while people that want real "drivers" cars won't pay shit for it.
You're an idiot for thinking that it's not the consumers and governments
fault aswell.
>>15415846
Thanks, i appreciate the compliment.
Have another one.
>>15413401
yes desu, L200s were superb.
>>15415867
The L200 still exists.
>>15415819
Yeah, I just had a girl who paid $1500 to fix up her eclipse, not even timing belt, just little stuff plus regular maintenance catch up. Said that it was "her" car, even though she drives an outlander sport for work.
Yeah, there is nothing to replace the older mitsus. The Sports are most popular right now, plus the 16 full size outlander is actually really nice. but 50% of the sports now have a tranny issue, up to the point of where we have to replace it at less than 10k miles. One of my customers also had the first gen mighty max, which they had to get rid of after all, engine ran but rust...
I would also def take a Diamante, that was a true japanese luxury car. V6 four wheel drive heaven.
>>15415820
It's really had to find Montero that is clean, because those that are clean are being kept forever.
Plus, how can we forget the twin turbo 3000GT?
>>15415879
isn't the latest generation a rebadged fiat though?
>>15415886
>It's really had to find Montero that is clean
That's the truth. Very few of the first or second owners gave them the maintenance they needed. I'm lucky to have gotten mine back when they were just pre-owned instead of very pre-owned. I'm looking for more rough examples to do crazy shit to. Like put a 6G74 with 72TT heads into it or SAS with a NT Wagoneer D44.
>>15415888
No, Fiat is rebadging the L200 as the Fullback or something.
>>15415886
Tell me. Which transmission on the sport has the issue?
Let me guess, it's the CVT one isn't it?
Most of the Outlander Sport or ASX as they are called over here, are sold with 6-speed manual transmission. SOmetimes someone orders a six speed auto transmission. We haven't sold a single ASX with the CVT transmission.
>>15415888
Yes, and fourth generation was also built exclusively in Thailand. But, everyone will tell you that 3000GT was better than Stealth, Raider is better than Dakota. Maybe L200 is better than Fullback.
I also recently found that people do picrelated and I secretly want it as well. It is an 89 mirage with a 4G63 2.0 turbo engine swap. Supposedly it takes a quarter drag in 11 some seconds.
>>15415917
What you speak is nonsense.
>>15415888
See >>15415906
Fiat has nothing in store for a pick up truck, so they have to rebadge an L200 for it. They are intended for the middle east and africa.
The L200 won't come to north america due to chickenshit tax.
>>15415906
Yeah, I contemplated buying an older one with a fuel pump issue, but i was too afraid to make a cross-coutry drive.
My mistake, you are right. "the current generation L200 will share the same underpinnings". Fiat fullback is rebadging Triton/L200.
when i used to work for a used car dealer, back in the early 00's, we used to get late 80's to 99 mitsubishi's with utterly shit auto transmissions. even if the car came mint with 55-70k miles, the transmission would be shot.
they got better? kia and hyundai had the same engines in the s-coupe (aka the lets crack a fucking land and throw smoke like a spy car hunk of shit) and the old accents, and that little bitty kia from the late 90's.
>>15415933
My boss told me about that tranny issue.
Supposedly some drive gears had poorly made teeth and it would shear them off when it had to shift from Park or Neutral to Drive.
I don't recall if he told me if mitsubishi offered to fix it with compensation or if the costumer had to carry all the costs.
>>15415780
For clarification, when you say '100k' and '240k' do you mean miles or kilometers?
>>15415957
Miles
>>15415957
Miles
>>15415933
Those must have been transverse vehicles. All the longitudinal vehicles have Aisin transmissions up until 2001.
When Mitsubishi dropped out of WRC they should have replaced the Evo with a FWD ~200hp turbo Lancer as the top model. It'd be MUCH cheaper, more reliable which are the only reasons people buy Japanese cars.
>>15415977
The Lancer Evolution was already reliable.
>>15415947
we would get them for peanuts at auction, and get another tranny from the junkyard, and throw them in, then sell them as-is to some dope dealers or gangbangers for a cheap hooptie.
now the 89 mitsubishi galant we had, that no one else could get to shift, was my baby, and i loved it. it was auto and the tranny was utterly fucked, I'd curse at it like an australian and use it in the middle of the night to go to the grocery store, and back to the shop. when we swapped in a new transmission, we poured the old fluid out, and put a magnet in it. it looked like a sea urchin.
>>15415973
yeah they were all FWD. the engines were solid. nothing special, but they ran well. but the transmissions were lemons.
i liked the old ass galant. it just had that weirdness to it.
>>15415979
Only if you stuck to the ridiculous maintenance schedule.
>>15415984
It's not that bad for a sports car, but people who bought $36000 sports rally car for fun and because it was affordable did not expect the $3000 brembo brake jobs.
>>15415984
Not only then, but why wouldn't you stick to the maintenance schedule? They were reliable unless some kid got his hands on it and modified it with eBay parts.
>>15416005
>why wouldn't you stick to the maintenance schedule?
On some Evos the gearbox and diffs need their oil changing every 3,000 miles. Thats three times a year where your car is in the 'shop. Most people won't do that when they are used to taking their car to be serviced once every 10-12,000 miles.
>>15416015
>On some Evos the gearbox and diffs need their oil changing every 3,000 miles.
Where did you see this? I'm betting that's at least the severe use schedule, if not flat out untrue.
>>15416019
In a used Evo buyer's guide. The top spec car has a variable centre diff and needs an oil change every 3,000 miles using a special oil only available from a Mitsubishi dealer.
>>15416005
Some people are neglectful and don't appreciate what they have. Also they believe that they can abuse a car forever and as soon as it starts breaking down due to the ignore maintenance plan it's the cars fault.
>>15416015
Oh man, you should see those people faces when they bring it into the shop with a broken hydraulic pump that regulates the AWD system and tell them that they should have brought to the shop for maintenance.
Also over here evos have a 7500 km, 6 months maintenance schedule.
Love the lancer 2000 turbo
>pic related
>>15416028
>a broken hydraulic pump that regulates the AWD system
That is the thing I was trying to think of in this post >>15416023
Evos have a terrible reputation for reliability in this country.
I've owned a lot of Mitsubishi vehicles, my next car will be a Subaru thanks to the direction mitsu is intent on going (fuel economy and electric). So I'll be looking into the WRX for my next purchase.
But these vehicles have been so reliable. I've had the following:
>1999 eclipse
>2003 eclipse
>2015 lancer
>2008 eclipse (currently owned)
>2016 outlander (currently owned)
Of them all they've only need 2 repairs. Out of all those cars 2 little repairs, a motor mount and a thermostat. Less than $100 was the total cost of ownership across them all. Mitsubishi builds rock solid vehicles and I'm sad that they are going in this new direction. Talking to the dealer when I picked up my outlander I honestly doubt they will change anytime soon. I hope I get the same level of reliability from Subaru as I did with Mitsu, but even for a long time fan like myself Mitsu has forced me to look elsewhere.
>>15413651
>Company corruption ->cars with computers
There is absolutely no correlation there
>>15415984
I hate people like this. If you don't want a high maintenance car, then don't fucking buy one. If you buy one and complain about it or neglect it, then you are the one who's wrong here.
>>15416023
I just checked and the quickest service interval for transfer case and differential fluid changes was 15k. The Evo X specifies 30,000 miles. So I'm guessing what you read was the typo.
>>15416038
He wasn't pointing out a correlation
>>15416037
>I hope I get the same level of reliability from Subaru
You will absolutely not.
>>15416037
This is the issue with lots of costumers. They are forced out of mitsubishi, since mitsu has nothing to offer and not everyone is gonna jump from an old lancer, eclipse to a outlander sport or lancer sportback.
I really wish and hope that mitsu is gonna make a comeback atleast with a station wagon with AWD system as an option and the ralliart trim. Maybe even a mirage turbo but for the love of god with better noise insulation for the passenger cabin.
>>15415864
Thats so nice. Is it just the light or do you have different headlights in in that picture?
>>15416058
Those are the same lights.
>>15416058
Nah, it's just the sun reflecting off them.
>>15416061
Where is that?
>>15416063
looks like Alaska
>>15416063
>>15416067
Actually the pictures we're taken in switzerland.
why is the Galant so sexy?
>>15416071
Because it's just right
>>15416070
FUCK YOU I SAID ALAKSA
>>15413444
>The most underdog is probably mazda, not mitsubshi
Mitusbishi sold 95,342 cars in the US last year.
Mazda sold 319,184.
Anaysts have been predicting Mitsu's exit from the US market for over a decade. But they're quite determined to make it work.
>>15413952
>Mazda is nothing compared to Honda, Toyota, GM and Ford.
Well no shit.
>>15414140
8 gen Galant was their best looking car ever. Just look at the front, so mean.
>>15416075
Alaska also has beautiful landscapes but the pictures weren't taken there. I hope i didn't hurt your feelings. If i did, i'm sorry.
>>15416088
no..it's fine
>>15416093
>>15415498
Specs?
>>15416052
Yeah it's pretty sad.
I ended up getting the Outlander as a kid hauler because of past experience with them. Just something reliable and awd for the Canadian winter.
If they would just release a few different cars, maybe the wagon you're talking about and a coupe, just to add some diversity to their lineup it would be nice but as is their whole lineup to too same-ish.
>>15413444
Mazda is not an underdog.
Mazda is doing well in North America because they are selling the shit out of Mom-Mobiles.
>>15416073
I wish I could afford them. I mean I can afford semi high milage ones, but only low power.
I couldn't afford a high powered tho becaue 20 years old living in germany
>you will never have an evo
wHY CANT I HAVE DADDYS MONEY
>>15416138
>wants an Evo
>you will never have a red 1975 Ford Torino with a white stripe and a Windsor
>>15416146
I just want an evo I or II family I dont really get you
>>15413401
They need more than just the fucking overpriced EVO. They should build a 3000GT VR-4 2: Electric Boogaloo. Something AWD/RWD and quick that doesn't break the bank. They only have a couple AWD Eclipses and those are fucking hard to find, let alone for a reasonable price. They focus on DD econobox cars too much and not something for the young, middle-class guy who wants a nice sports coup.
>>15416102
In europe it was only sold with the 2.4 liter 4G64 with dual balancing shafts.
SOHC and 8 valves (2 per cylinder)
Bore is 86.5 mm and stroke is 100 mm
124 PS (122 HP) at 5000 RPM according to DIN
189 NM (139.4 lb-ft) at 3500 RPM
Top speed manual transmission 190 km/h (118 mph)
Electronic fuel injection
Needs around 10l/100km (23.5 mpg) in mixed traffic
It's not fast by any means but it's comfy to cruise in. Also very quiet and smooth running engine.
>>15416184
>Something AWD/RWD and quick that doesn't break the bank
No manufacturer does this.
>>15416184
What on EARTH makes you think the 3000GT VR-4 was for young, middle class people?
>>15416195
It wasn't, but it's dirt cheap now and it's fun to drive. I used to have one before I got my 300zx TT, and it was a quick little bastard. If they can capture that feel, but in a modern, cheap car, they'll rise for sure. It doesn't have to be a twin turbo 4.5 V6 or anything like that, just something that gives you a similar feel to the GT.
>>15416194
fiat does
>>15416124
Can you afford a 2.0l one? Because i can't recommend you the 2.4l GDI, since it's reliability is based on how well the previous owner was taking care of it.
How about you get a 2.0l one and later in your life get the V6 but
the V6 was very rare with the manual trans, most we're ordered with automatic transmissions. Also the galant was a quite heavy car and the brake disks and pads are a bit overcumbered with it but it you drive normally they hold for a quite some time.
Try looking up the forum called mitsu-talk/de and ask them about what to look for or about insurance rates.
Ever thought about some alternative until you could afford one?
>>15416191
Really, a 4G64? Looks way sportier than that. Could be made fun with a 4G63 head and a turbocharger, though.
>>15413401
Yes. I miss mitsu.
>>15416210
>but it's dirt cheap now and it's fun to drive
You can spend 20K+ on a clean one
>If they can capture that feel, but in a modern, cheap car, they'll rise for sure.
Yea, sure, but they couldn't. The 3000GT VR-4 was Porsche money. The Spyder was 130 grand in 2016 money, iirc.
A re-imagining of the Starion would be something much more reasonable.
>>15416212
>quick
>>15416215
I think in Japan, NZ and AUS it came with a 3l V6.
Still i'm satisfied with the 4G64 and oh boy, when you hit that sport mode button for the
adjustable suspension, the mitsu stiffens up so hard like you wouldn't have a suspension at all.
You can blow through tight turns without understeering into a tree.
>pic related the 4G64
>>15413401
i don't miss mitsubishi
but i miss Lancer
>>15416223
>About
Horsepower @ RPM:
170
Torque @ RPM:
184
Displacement:
1.4 L
0-60 time:
6.8 sec.
Top Speed:
143 mph / 230 km/h
>>15416297
>170
That's it?
>184
That's it?
>6.8 sec.
pig fucking fat
>>15416297
Cons: FIAT engine
FIAT tier reliability
>>15416076
Did you know America is not the entire world. In Japan and most of asia they sell really well, and so do Protons that are based off them.
The reason they don't sell that many, is because they have a tarnished and almost cancerous reputation for unreliability or poor buildquality/dodgy design of mechanical and electric shit. Whether or not that is true is debated, but it's hard to get rid of stigma like that. They also use surprisingly 3rd-world and outdated/primitive technologies in a lot of their cars, late 90's sedans are louder than a v6 landcruiser struggling to get up a hill in 3rd gear for example.
Not that they are bad cars in many respects, I actually like them and think that they are nicer than most other Japanese cars, they're quiet and don't have shitty styling, and their economy and family cars are only beaten by mazda (the only reason why corollas and civics are better is because they're more established and everyone knows they'll never break.
>>15416310
>FIAT engine
>bad
nice meme anon, next time better look up what fails at fiats.
pro tip: it's never the engine.
>>15416306
>hurr
>hurr
>durr
>>15416378
>mad
>thinks a pigfat roadster is fast
>>15416222
>$20,000
Yeah, with 20,000 miles on it. I find them from 4-10,000 all the time. You're making them out to be more expensive than they really are. Pic fucking related.
>they can't make a cheap, quick car
For under $35,000? Bullshit, they can't. Less is more. Don't make the body very large, maybe a bit more than a Pontiac Solstice, and put a small little motor in it. Keep the touch screen, Bluetooth, WiFi having stereo out and put a regular CD player deck, no digital gauges, only analog, and use plastic and foam for the interior. If it could get to 0-60 in at least 5.5-6 seconds, it would fucking sell.
>>15416388
>implying it's not one of the most lightweight modern cars
>>15416388
Let me guess. It has to weight 2,000 pounds, have a W12, and get 0-60 in 3 seconds to be considered fast to you, right? Get your head out of your ass. Quick doesn't have to be LaFerrari fast. It just has to be quick enough to feel like a sports car, not a super car.
>>15416476
the least obese person is still obese
>>15416479
>0-60 in 3 seconds
2.2 to beat my bike :^)
>>15416479
Why the fuck do you people keep making posts? That's not what people are talking about man. Your posts are more cringeworthy than the ones you reply to
>>15416488
>comparing bikes to cars
>implying you're faster than a brand new ZX14R
You must be at least 18 to post here, son.
>>15416518
>>comparing bikes to cars
>can't beat a honda
lol
>>implying you're faster than a brand new ZX14R
>having to spend $15,000 to beat a 30 year old Honda i bought for $1650
KEK
>>15416496
>STOP HAVING A SECOND CONVERSATION IN MY THREAD!!!'1111!!1! I WONT ALLOW THIS!!!!!!
Shut up, faggot. I can post whatever the fuck I want, as long as it's /o/ approved. We're off on a tangent, but it still relates to the OP.
>>15416533
Can this autistic stop complaining? What's your problem man
Dis is a steel?
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/cto/5676000229.html
>>15416852
>no shift knob
Why?
Also get the VIN and check it, on top of that let that cunt show you all the maintenance records.
I wouldn't really trust people that write ads like that.
Somethings fishy.
>>15413401
Glorious GTO
I cum everytime I see one. And I dont see them often at all, not even the non turbos.
That car makes itself known on the road, not many cars can achieve that.
>>15417097
it looks like it tried to be a supra
>>15417114
No.
>>15417114
More like the supra tried to be a GTO.
Since the supra came three years later.
>>15417170
it had pop up headlights then and copied a mk3 supra until the supra mk4 was released then they copied the mk4 supra
>>15417239
Do you have brain problems
>>15417253
why do you offensive me
>>15416194
Subaru.
>>15416049
There was absolutely no point to his post then. It did not fit In the conversation in any way
>>15417272
>>15417239
Oh God...
10/10 made me facepalm.
>>15417097
Sexual orientation: Grills and GTOs
>Mitsubishi
>Japanese temperament and soul in design
>Italian reliability and durability
The old offroaders were great tho.
>>15417629
Good job not knowing anything.
>>15413401
>Does anyone else miss the most underdog company?
No, now they're just shit
Most underdog company now is Hyundai because you idiots think they're shit.
Evo was the only decent mitsu in last 10 years. And I miss it
The real underdog company are suzuki, the only worthwhile fun econoboxes on the market right now.
>>15418158
>hyundai/kia
>selling 8 mil a year
>underdog
kek
>>15418206
>Evo was the only decent mitsu in last 10 years. And I miss it
No you don't, it was just a lancer with a Big turbo it's shit
>The real underdog company are suzuki
no they're shit too, why do you think they pulled from the North American market?
I'll just leave this here.
>>15413401
I love my Triton.
>>15418206
>Evo was the only decent mitsu in last 10 years
That's wrong, though. They sold the Montero through 2006.
>>15416050
The Lesbaru wagons seem to live forever here. I suspect the unreliability meme comes from boyracers beating their WRXs to death or blowing them up with "sick mawds" off eBay.
>>15417114
In proper Mitsu tradition it was built to fuck something else into the ground. In this case it was the Skyline GT-R, not the twin turbo Supra.
>>15413436
I gave service to Mitsubishi domestic ACs some years ago. They were pretty ok, not bad for the price although far from the top.
>>15419214
Mitsubishi Electric ACs are pretty top, what are you talking about?
>>15413401
Mitsubishi really didn't understand where the american auto market was going.
The made cheap cars yes, but now people are looking for value and design - which Mitsubishi does not offer.
The only thing going for them is they sell the cheapest car in america and even that isn't saving them.
>>15416050
>Subaru
>unreliable
The only thing you'll be able to quote is headgaskets on some of the EJ engines. And even that's overstated on this board.
>>15420413
Subaru is unreliable - once they get over 80,000 miles they begin to eat oil. If you don't feed them like crazy the engine will be gone by 120,000. That's not a reliable engine.
plz don't even try and defend them - Subaru does not create reliable engines.
>>15415780
It's funny that you say that about the Monteros. I had one as my first car for 4 years, and while I hate SUVs, it was at least tolerable. Both of my parents drove Suburbans so they expected of me, as a bare minimum, to get a mid size SUV. Enter, Montero.
Bought it used from a dealer for like $4k, put 30k miles on it... and that's where the fun stops.
Pretty sure the previous owner neglected it to shit. That thing blew through 3 radiators in 4 years, currently on #4 and any highway driving will take it down as well. Pretty sure we bought it with a cracked head gasket, didn't discover this until recently this year. Hoses are brittle and like to snap, but can be remedied with aftermarket hoses.
Aside from the whole cracked head gasket, I can't say I enjoyed it, because it had all the driving response of a nursing home resident without a pulse, but that thing was unstoppable in the snow. If you're an offroader and you need something zippy and reliable, go for it 10/10.
Got my eye on an early-mid 2000s Eclipse as my next buy. Love the styling, reminds me a bit of the RX8 without unreliable snowflake status.
>>15418266
>Suzi
>Shit
Confirmed for not driving swift sport, jimny and their numerous turbo key cars.
They pulled out because poor managment didnt introduced worthwhile engines which they have for japan and youroop, and also, murica frankly has no taste when it comes to econo and shitboxes.
>>15420912
Swifts are a funny case. Good for learning manual in, and one of the few things girls will drive stick. Plenty of qt girls in Swifts who like to race at the lights.
>>15417629
This really is an issue exclusive to the American ones. Models running the 4G15 tend to live forever and our Magnas would just start to burn oil at some point but miraculously never ran out.
>>15420945
I like the absolute rev happy old school naturaly aspirated engine and sound of that little thing. Next year they will introduced turbo with 230nm, though.
bought pic related like a week ago
i love it
>>15421063
Looks pretty clean.
What engine did you get and is it auto or manual?
>>15413401
Mitsubishi, the brand that makes cars for shits and giggles.
My family has owned several Mitsubishis over the years. Dad bought a Starion brand new and crashed it 5 years later after he failed to impress my mom with his "God-tier driving"
I don't know whether to call that a win or fail... After all I exist...
>>15420733
You had a Montero Sport, didn't you?
>>15421506
>Mitsubishi, the brand that makes cars for shits and giggles.
MMC doesn't make cars for shits and giggles, they do it for money.
>>15421063
nice
take good care of it anon
>>15421063
noice
I've got my perfect couple and my fav is the Mitsu.
This spyder has got to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made IMO. This car always turns heads. It's truly the perfect grand tourer.
My Miata is the closest thing to driving a cartoon in my opinion. No wonder why they sell very well.
Still, the presence that the 3000GT makes is great.
>tfw I will never own a soft top first gen
>>15421180
2.5 V6 Automatic unfortunately as they are much more popular here in slavland but desu i'll be my DD anyway
>>15421552
>>15421180
it's a semi-automatic actually so it's not completely boring though
>>15421542
Damn nigga, a VR-4 Spyder?
Those things are worth a ton.
>>15413841
It's just a mediocre commuter car. Like a civic or camry or accord.
>>15421542
Wait... What? There are many anons with 3000GTs. I'm glad to see more anons with these cars.
That's beautiful. Properly jelly.
Pic related, my car.
>>15413491
>MMC has never made anything other than cars
Except literally every motor used in vehicles employed by the Japanese Imperial Military and the Japanese Self Defence Force
>>being this fucking retarded
>>15421629
Yes it is. I drive it occasionally. I'm very autistic with it.
>>15421672
I lurk /o/ and watch all the copy pasta memes about this car. Ironically I own a meme car too...
>>15421552
Finding a decent manual V6 is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Most of them have been driven into the ground, so a good conditioned automatic is not that bad.
Where you at?
Going to visit my relatives in poland soon. Going to Opole, Kraków, Czestochowa and Radom.
>>15421687
That's MHI not MMC tho.. just sayin
>>15421687
>Except literally every motor used in vehicles employed by the Japanese Imperial Military and the Japanese Self Defence Force
I don't see how that's possible when MMC didn't exist until 1972.
I still want a 3000gt or dodge stealth. I don't care what anyone says, they are still my dream. The EVO 4 would be nice too.
>>15421765
Stealths are fucking hideous, though. I don't know why Dodge tried styling it.
i check almost daily whether someone in europe is selling the AWD version of it
i dream of getting the turbocharged 1.8 l engine from japan.
or maybe the 2l one from canada.
>>15421750
I live near the German border actually, but I'll be around Kraków for the whole next week
>>15413401
>be ausfag
>grew up with 90's mitsu magnas and 380s in the 00's
>all gone now along with aussie holdens fords and everything else
>???
>cry
so this is what it felt like for yanks and britbongs
>>15413401
Mitsubishi only made a couple of good cars in all of their years. Fuck off fanboy
>>15421515
Well they actually are doing pretty good with their other divisions. They really don't depend on MMC and they don't invest as much in it. Still, all of the great cars they've made. Their engineers are god tier.
I would literally do the same if I was the owner of Mitsubishi. Most of my profit comes from other branches, my automotive branch just to make cars for shits and giggles. And to piss off fags in their other Japanese cars. But aparently the MMC is leaded by a lesbian feminazi now.
I would have her executed then do crazy shit with my branch.
>>15421765
You can get one anon. They are bretty comfy and sexy.
Dat comfy interior. It really does not feel cheap at all. Still this car was expensive brand new.
>>15421963
>Well they actually are doing pretty good with their other divisions
There are no other divisions. MMC is not a conglomerate like some of the other Mitsubishi Group companies. If MMC doesn't make cars, they die.
>>15421931
That's a funny way to say a majority of their cars.
opinions on Mitsubishi Carisma 1800 GLS
>>15421985
>a majority of mitsubishi cars are good
laughing so hard tears are rolling down my cheeks
>>15421997
Ok nigga who can't even name most of their cars.
>>15421963
Mitsubishi isn't a conglomerate it's a keiretsu. Also MMC tried to increase shareholder profit by focusing on other markets than the highly competitive low profit american one.
>But aparently the MMC is leaded by a lesbian feminazi now.
They are pretty much owned by nissan now
>>15422018
>I'm a fanboy and I say mitsubishi cars are good because I can name them therefore they are good!
Try harder dude.
Enjoy your shitty rattlebox galant or whatever.
>>15422026
Don't own a Galant, but I will enjoy my Mitsubishi.
Try harder :^).
>>15422026
You've never been inside a galant
>>15413466
They own themselves, and despite making some of the best cars available, they have a tiny market share
>>15421901
Shieeet. Sadly we gonna miss eachother by a week since i'm gonna leave on the 23rd. I'll still hold a lookout for that galant when im gonna cross the borer at Zgorzelec.
>>15422026
this
>rattlebox
how to spot a newfag
>>15422112
damn, can't help it then. Hope you enjoy your time here
>>15422215
forgot pic
>>15422215
Thanks man.
Hope you won't have any trouble with your mitsu in the future. Just follow the maintenance schedule and you will be fine.
>>15421542
>This spyder
>>15413436
They make good trains though
>>15422437
They don't make trains.
>>15421993
I own a 2nd gen Carisma from 2004 and I can say that it's definately a solid car. Drives well, the ride is alright but the interior is somewhat lacking as I have the base model. Still, nothing feels cheap and I enjoy driving it. I've had it for almost a year now and the only thing I've had to change was the oxygen sensor. I'm at 85.000 km right now.
I don't know if the first gen is as good, but from what I've read 2nd gen is much better in terms of engineering. They also look at least ten times better.
So if you can, try to find a newer model, 1999 and up. And let's be honest, first gen is ugly as fuck.
1g dsm 6 bolt master race
why didnt mitsubishi never make a rwd sports car like 300zx
>>15418206
This
Suzuki is mainly just known for their bikes.
Kinda wish Isuzu still made road cars.
>>15424250
They did, the Starion.
Bored at work. Here's a new picture of my car. Why all the hate on the 4g Eclipse?
>>15424704
Never understood the hate. They're not fast cars but they're damn good looking shitboxes. I had an '03 that I beat the hell out of and the tranny died.
>>15424722
I had a 3G Eclipse myself. Beat it to hell til the timing belt killed the engine
>>15424704
>>15424722
>They're not fast cars
That was the problem. The 1 and 2G GSX trims left a legacy 3 and 4G failed to live up to. They looked great and were fine to daily but there was never the "2-door Evo" trim and the body all but wrote cheques for performance it couldn't deliver. Perhaps this was because the Evo 8 was sold in the States midway through the 3G run and in-brand competition wouldn't have helped move the 4-door sports sedan but imagine how cool it would've been for the last two Eclipse gens to come with an AWD/turbo trim.
>>15424704
I don't know why the 4G Eclipse wasn't more like the FTO. That would have been cool. 2.5L high revving V6 and a tight chassis.
>>15424704
because it's fwd only, awd requires custom building everything and would involve tens of thousands of dollars
>>15424704
>>15424704
>>15424722
What is there to hate? FWD? So? /o/ tends to hate on good looking cars that are either FWD or If it weights more than 900kg.
What is there not to like about the Eclipses, they are bretty gud cars, love the 4 gens.
This is the /o/tist logic
What car is gud?
It has to be RetardWheelDrive DURR
Miata:
>girl car
>lol 4cyl
>lol not even 200hp
>slow as fuck
Toyota 86
>lol pigfat
>not even fast
>ugly as fuck
IT HAS TO HAVE TONS OF POWER
Mustang
>lol can't turn
>lol V8
>go fuck your sister
>buying American
>Buying ford
M3?
>lol german
>lol pigfat
>lol unreliable
>ur a spoiled mum and daddy asswipe
GTR?
>buying a Nissan
>HURRDURRING
>AUTOMAGIC FAGGOT
>Not an R32-33-34
>buying a new car
The perfect car for otists is non existent since all cars are shit.
Tl;dr
>most /o/tists are ricer normies.
>believe that the 3000gt is a DSM
>hate cars in which they saw Chad with his crush
>eat their cum
>>15413401
>>15413444
the real underdog car manufacturers are Suzuki and Isuzu.
>>15418206
>>15424383
i didnt see these posts when i posted >>15426041
