Why haven't you switched to EcoBoost® yet? Stock VS stock a 3.5L EcoBoost V6 weighs 70 pounds less than a Superchargered LT4 engine and makes more power.
>inb4 muh sound
>>15366352
http://blog.caranddriver.com/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-deep-dive-what-makes-the-new-supercharged-lt4-v-8-tick/
The LT4 weighs 529 lbs. The EcoBoost weighs 450. Any logical arguments or are you just here to shitpost?
>>15366352
>bait
>1080p
>not 1080p
Clever girl.
>>15366352
>Albino doubletail betta
Damn, that's at least a $50 fish, if not $70.
>>15366358
yeah but the EcoBoost engine can't make 1500 hp reliably
>>15366375
the lt4 can't make any power reliably
>>15366375
>1500 HP
>reliable
lmao
>>15366386
A V8 running 20 PSI is more reliable than a V6 the same PSI.
>>15366393
Not really, it depends on how well said engines are built.
>>15366358
The fc rotary only weighed 50 lbs less than the fox body 5.0. Also 50 lbs is an 11 year old passenger. Saving 50 lbs is not really impressive.
Compare it to the eco boost 4 cylinder. How much do the two weigh? Also what is the power/liter of the two? I bet the answer will provide contradictory evidence to your point.
>>15366337
can you buy this engine ala carte?
>>15366417
http://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-racing-crate-engine-kit-3-5l-ecoboost-365-hp/p/M600735T/
>>15366407
no idea, i'm not sure if there's an official weight for the 4 cylinder ecoboost.
>>15366417
Yes, there's even going to be a Ford GT crate engine.
>>15366337
v8 sounds and feels better than v6
supercharger provides better power delivery than a turbo.
The more desirable setup costs 1/4 of the price.
>>15366440
>supercharger provides better power delivery than a turbo.
kek
>>15366449
preemptive damage control for a notion that bothers you? I seen it already. v8 still sounds better.
>>15366451
(you)
>>15366440
>supercharger provides better power delivery than a turbo
>>15366458
>muh sound
>>15366337
>Why haven't you switched to EcoBoost
shit mpg
>>15366337
So where is my twin turbo 5.0 ford? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>15366471
they can't market the V6 if they did that
>>15366469
Yeah, if you hammer on the gas all the time like a retard.
>>15366458
superchargers are garbage, everyone knows this
>>15366471
The GT500 is coming in the next few months.
>>15366477
wrong
>>15366477
Yeah, but I want an 800 hp mustang GT to spin out and crash into walls while leaving car shows with
>>15366479
>>15366483
>that steering wheel for the engine stand
kek
>>15366479
turbos are energy recovery, superchargers sap energy from the engine to run.
on the other end, superchargers react much more directly with the throttle than turbos. Super-Turbocharging clearly the best solution.
>>15366491
introducing the new 2016 Shelby cobra
envoking all the danger of the original car, only now with less car!
>>15366497
>Super-Turbocharging clearly the best solution.
you mean "sequential turbos"
>>15366501
>twin turbo v8 engine stand cart
How the the Ultima GTR compete?
>>15366488
>muh peak hp
dynographs don't show lag.
the supercharged version has superior driveability and better throttle response.
>>15366502
>>15366497
what if you made a turbine that ran off a belt at low RPM, then transitioned to airflow once that produces better performance?
>>15366469
Pretty much this.
>8mph towing a track day Lotus Elise at 60mph
Fuck Ecoboost, criminalize OEM turbos.
>>15366497
>superchargers react much more directly with the throttle than turbos.
Literally false by definition.
Superchargers react to RPM, and have nothing to do with throttle. It's turbochargers that respond to throttle.
>>15366488
>supercharger fanboys can't defend this without resorting to shitposting
>>15366508
>dynographs don't show lag.
it absolutely does retard, you can clearly see the turbo makes more power at every single point of the rev range
the "turbo lag" meme is literally fucking irrelevant because it still makes more power at the bottom of the rev range than the supercharger
>the supercharged version has superior driveability and better throttle response.
makes less power at every point of the rev range, so this is false and you are a tard
>>15366511
well you could do that, but you'd need a cluthc to turn it off after certain RPM
or just add sequential turbos and call it a day
Why are these threads so fucking dumb? We've only had this thread at least once every week for the past 5 years. Why haven't any of you retarded niggers bothered to learn about the F/I method you don't circle-jerk to?
>>15366535
wrong again. turbos like in the graph that kid posted suffer from massive lag. the bigger the turbo;the more it lags.
I'm schooling idiots on /o/ as usual.,
>>15366535
I just was looking into some kind of hybrid design because, despite modern turbo setups outputting more power across the whole band, I want more direct control of that power, especially when the turbo is at its weakest.
>>15366544
>17 seconds down the quarter mile on a 700+hp
why haven't you learn how to stop being a huge fag?
>>15366555
what is this meme?
>>15366337
Wow two Ford shill threads on the first page, hope they're paying you well.
>>15366555
Bread on time slip or bench race elsewhere, anon. Also, checked.
>>15366548
>wrong again
nope, the turbo makes more power at the lower portion of the rev range
>graph that kid posted suffer from massive lag. the bigger the turbo;the more it lags.
the turbo makes power than than the supercharger even when its "lagging"
turns out you are a retard that can't even read a dyno graph, you are schooling us on how dumb you are
>>15366557
exactly how it sounds
he ran a 17 second quarter mile in his 700+ hp camaro
as far as I know his fastest time was high 12s, which is the same time a stock camaro does the quarter
>>15366563
I'm not benchracing, im making fun of you
>>15366570
gearing, tires, or differential? do they need upgrades?
>>15366570
>hypothetically comparing a my time to a time you had to google to learn
>not benchracing
>>15366548
compared to the parasitic lag of the superchargers you mong you might as well throw in another ac compressor in your shitbox
>>15366582
>you have to google about quarter mile times to know a 17 second one on a 700hp car is slow as fuck
>>15366582
seriously though, what's with the time? still learning how to drag or is the car not finished?
>>15366570
Dynographs don't show lag retard, they only show power in relation to rpm.
in the time it takes that turbo to rev to 3000 rpm the supercharged version would already be at 5000.
whatcha guys think about vgt/vnt turbo
>>15366544
why do people need that many stock photo of people mocking someone or somethings ?
only for shit posting purpose ?
>>15366594
I suppose you're gonna tell me you learned what all stock camaros do in the 1/4 mile because you personally drove one at a drag strip, huh?
>benchracing this hard
>>15366602
>it has too work more to make less
anon
>>15366605
you could do the same thing with a pair of turbine blades and a cone that moves in and out of the housing, no need for variable geometry vanes
>>15366626
sounds a how lot more complicated and prone to failure
>>15366590
The engine drives the supercharger so they don't lag as superchargers add more power than they draw and build boost from 100rpm.
>>15366614
>reading comprehension
anon
>>15366600
15 second pass, 780 whp + street tires (See: wheel spin), one run only at an unprepared track I'd never been to.
I was doing a road rally in 2014 and one of the checkpoints was to make a pass at some track in Ohio. Next pass was a week or so later at my local track and ran a low 12. Haven't been since because I've been converting the car to air suspension and swapping in a 9 inch diff which took 9 damn months to receive (DSS a shit). I'll be at another drag strip next week for the re-match of the century (same guy I was running with during the 15 second pass. As the 15 second meme caught on here I've steadily been implying it was actually 17 seconds to weed out the newfags who weren't around when I was posting the original 15 second slip two years ago.
Literally finished getting the ride height sensors working today (also a pain in the ass that kept the car in the garage for months) so I'm stoked as fuck to start going to Bandimere again.
/Blog Post
>>15366635
with the 3000rpm the turbo does more then the supercharger at 5000rpm
>>15366634
the cone design actually would have less moving parts, but tuning would be complicated.
>>15366636
I figured getting power down was the issue, given the times. dunno why people think you're shit just because you didn't have slicks.
>>15366646
That was just an example. It's probably closer to 1000rpm and 5000rpm respectively, depending on the size of the turbo.
>>15366646
that depends on a lot more things than just RPM and you know it. also he's not talking about anything more than stabilizing the compressed air control with the throttle
>>15366652
Most are just regurgitating the meme. I have DR's now, but I'm still racing at just shy of 6000 feet elevation which eats some time. So when I make a low 11 second pass anon still won't be impressed.
![1467420148378[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/zOjDDz7.gif "1467420148378[1].gif")
you are a retard, a dynograph absolutely shows lag, lag is not only represented by the amount of time it takes for a turbo to spool but by the difference in the power output, turbo lag is noticeable because of the power differential between the turbo at max psi and while its on threshold
here, have a dyno graph of a turbo bike, which are as peaky as you can get
http://www.jdscycle.com/page7.html
pic related
the dyno graph isn't linear, as in the holden ute, because the holden ute doesn't have any noticeable power differential between full boost and boost threshold
>in the time it takes that turbo to rev to 3000 rpm the supercharged version would already be at 5000.
nice bullshit, because in the video the turbo doesnt take much to spool
just because a turbo doesn't make peak turbo pressure at the lower portion of the rev range doesn't mean it has "lag"
as a matter of fact, a progressive approach to the power delivery, a characteristic of properly sized turbos is prefferable to the way a supercharger delivers power instantly because its easier to lose traction
thats why civics and other FWD cars with massive turbos have boost by gear, where boost pressure increases on every gear, so they dont have massive wheelspin in 1st and 2nd
you are a tard
>>15366610
no, I watched someone take a stock camaro down the quarter when i was dgoing down the quarter in mine, you don't honestly belive I would personally drive such a shitty car do you?
>>15366698
No, I'm just making fun of what you think you know about cars bb.
>>15366706
>17 seconds down the quarter mile on a car that makes 700hp
>thinking he can make fun of anyone
>>15366345
Sound is a pretty reasonable reason to not want it desu.
There are good sounding V6s, this just isn't one of them.
>>15366714
Post your slip and I'll stop. Promise.
>>15366714
Where are your timeslips?
>>15366723
>>15366724
>expecting me to provide you with arguments to defend yourself
really?
>>15366686
That shows power lag, not rpm lag retard.
and I watched the video, there's a noticeable difference in driveability favoring the supercharged model of course.
the only way to eliminate lag is to use an electric turbo in conjunction with a regular turbo, and even then it's still fake power.
>>15366729
>talking shit like your car is faster and can't prove it
Makes sense.
>>15366738
im not saying my car is faster
>>15366734
>power lag not related to rpm lag
yeah, you are a retard
again an engine like that motorbike is going to have lag, the holden in the video didn't
>there's a noticeable difference in driveability favoring the supercharged model of course.
considering the turbo is making more power, no there isn't
>fake power
lol, nice butthurt
That engine is shit and the TTV6 in the GT is bespoke to that car.
>>15366749
It's the same exact engine, dumbass.
>>15366747
I'm sorry your own graph proved you wrong.
>>15366747
But you're talking shit about a 15 second run where you don't know any specifics, call his car shit, now backpeddle saying your car isn't faster. I think bromaro looks like he fucks his sister but unless you have proof you have a faster car, you can't really talk shit unless you're just stupid or trying to troll very poorly.
>>15366765
but I can and is basically what I do everytime he posts
>>15366761
it doesn't though, the turbo dyno graph is higher at every point of the rev range
>>15366760
The EcoBoost in the GT isn't the same as the F150's. It's massively different. They only have the displacement in common.
>>15366794
So rather than work towards a goal of having a faster car, you just benchracer and talk shit, all while probably driving a 25 year old civic.
>>15366810
but anon I am working towards my goal of having the cars I want
tht doesn't mean I can't make fun of a tripfag
he is a tripfag, their sole purpose in life is to exist so anons can make fun of them
>>15366809
That's completely wrong though. The GT shares 70% of the same parts as of the F-150.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/03/ford-gt-engine-shares-
>>15366817
But then he just goes and drives his car and forgets about some kid talking shit online. I'll never own a camaro, but his car is pretty nice.
>>15366834
yeah thats alright, its color pattern is kind of ugly but its nice
I can still make fun of him taking 19 seconds to run the quarter mile tho
>>15366602
That's all well and good for someone who either doesn't know how to use a gearbox, or someone who doesn't understand a throttle is progressive and isn't just 0-100%.
Are you either of those retards?
>>15366396
Wrong. V8s are inherently more reliable
>>15366467
Seriously fuck soundfags
It's an engine, it all sounds like BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRM
>>15366817
Wrong.
I exist because I spread Miata knowledge as an expert.
I am TR00 JayDeeEmm
>>15366337
I'm straight
>>15366337
Isn't it just a 4-cycle engine that has direct injection and turbocharging? Doesn't like 80% of all the engines out there now have those two things too these days?
It's like GM's marketing for posi-traction - it's just a limited slip differential, but it sounds SEW FAWNCEH.
>>15367302
We're talking about the V6, brah.
>>15367196
[citation needed]
>>15366345
this triggered them
>>15366337
>all these buttmad eurocucks hating on the ford in the comments section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSE3zvraJi8
