Why isn't this truck talked about more often? It's literally the most powerful and most capable stock production truck in history.
>drives terribly on the road compared to road oriented (read: stock) trucks
>not that great offroad, left in the dust by actual offroad builds
>worse tow rating than an F-150
>far worse load rating than an F-150
>let's not even begin to mention heavy duty trucks
>not available with a V8 anymore starting next year
>>15365632
>not that great off road
[citation needed]
>far worse tow rating
It's an off road truck, so what?
>far worse load rating
see above
>not available with the V8 anymore
Why is this a problem? V8's are objectively inferior for towing or offroading. Just look at the torque curve of a Ford 3.5L EcoBoost engine vs a Chevy 6.2L in trucks.
meme truck
Trys to be ultimate toy truck, mediocre at everything.
Not to mention for the price you could buy a fleet of used trucks that specialize in everything it tries to do
>>15365611
It's the same thing with the GT350, there's really nothing to brag or shitpost about until we see the actual specs. It does look promising, considering it has over 450 hp and awd.
looks cool thats it and only dicklets get one
insanely priced pavement princess.
Demolished on the streets by actual fast cars and demolished off the streets by actual off-road trucks.
60k truck with fucking stickers on it
>>15365701
Hey the gt3rs has stickers on it, whats your point?
>>15365671
ITT you will declare every attribute of the Raptor superior by default, and there's no rational arguing with you. Might as well just drink yourself to death, it'll have the same productive result as this thread.
>>15365632
>>drives terribly on the road compared to road oriented (read: stock) trucks
Aka you have never driven one
>>not that great offroad, left in the dust by actual offroad builds
Well it's a fucking stock truck, no shit it loses to custom builds
>>worse tow rating than an F-150
Hooray your first factual st
>>far worse load rating than an F-150
That's what happens when you want more suspension travel
>>let's not even begin to mention heavy duty trucks
Why would you?
>>not available with a V8 anymore starting next year
Cry me a river
TL;DR: you're a dumb faggot
Pickup trucks are for people too dumb and poor to haul a trailer and pretend-men that never haul anything ever
Ford shill detected in thread, ABANDON SHIP
>>15365693
>haha look at this meme from 6 years ago when people were jumping their Raptors too high at 100mph I'm so clever
>>15365693
I like Raptors, but I'd never buy one used because of retards like this that think they're factory trophy trucks.
>most powerful
What happened to the SRT-10 truck? Did it start to show its age?
>>15365729
>HEY WE'RE FORD AND THIS IS AN OFFROAD TRUCK
>EXCEPT THAT IT'LL BREAK IF YOU OFFROAD IT BEYOND DRIVING DOWN FLAT DIRT ROADS SO PLEASE DON'T
>>15365715
http://www.caranddriver.com/ford/f-150
>Ford F150 3.5L EcoBoost V6
>420 LB FT of torque available at 2500 RPM
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-chevrolet-silverado-1500-4x4-62l-v-8-8-speed-test-reviews
Chevy Silverado 6.2L V8
>460 LB FT of torque available at 4500 RPM
Tell me again how V8's are superior for offroading or towing.
>>15365738
It's going to have over 450 HP but nobody knows the official specs yet.
>>15365741
>(You)
So if a Ford commercial features a Mustang doing a burnout I'm free to go ahead and reverse at full speed, clutch in, redline it, and dump it in 1st because that'll get the tires spinning right?
No
Because when you're retarded and exceed mechanical limits you break shit.
>>15365766
So the SRT-10 Ram or whatever is still being produced? Last I heard about that thing was like over 10 years ago or so, I thought they stopped producing it.
I'm a poor europoor, so I know fuckall about big american automobiles, have to make do with my V12 shitbox.
>>15365715
do you have an argument? Are you going to prove the Raptor is bad offroad?
i have never seen a raptor driven by someone who is not a 100% grade-a cunt
>>15365757
http://www.fordproblems.com/trends/ecoboost-engine/
>Ford EcoBoost Engine Fires and Violent Shaking
http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/245/ecoboost-shudder/
>Have you been having shuddering issues with your Ecoboost engine? Are you suddenly losing power? You are not alone
http://partsblog.olathetoyota.com/4383/ford-sued-ecoboost-problems/
>Ford Sued Over EcoBoost Design Problems, Engine Flaws
>>15365784
No, it's discontinued. I was referring to the Raptor. It's supposed to have over 450 HP.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-in-depth-feature
>>15365796
>2013
Any of those shaking issues have been fixed because Ford updates their engines yearly.
Also, are you going to just ignore the fact that turbo V6's are clearly superior for towing and offroad. You just completely ignored the argument. Please address my points and don't ignore them.
>MOST POWERFUL TRUCK IN HISTORY
>less powerful than previous trucks
>BUT THEY'RE NOT STILL IN PRODUCTION
That's not how history works.
>>15365822
Sure, turbo V6s are superior for towing, that's why so many semi trucks use them.
Wow! 450hp in a 6000lbs truck that folds in half gently cruising down a gravel road? A v6? all for only $70,000?
LET ME GRAB MY MOMS CHECKBOOK SO I CAN BUY ONE RIGHT THIS VERY MOMENT
>>15365718
>Ford calls it a truck
>cant use it as a truck
its a shit car
>>15365800
And the SRT10 had something like 500 or so bhp and 712nm of torque, if I remember correctly. Or was it 550?
Anyway, wouldn't that make the SRT10 more powerful and thus the F150 would not be the most powerful truck?
>>15365852
It had 500 HP.
>>15365847
*5400 lb
>>15365865
*5600-5800 lb
Neighbor has last gen one.
I take it the 2017 raptors won't be available with a V8 anymore? guess you should buy one now with the V8 if they are still selling them in the configuration if wanted.
I wonder if the V8 models will hold value.
>>15365865
Not trying to start shit here, but doesn't that mean that, at least HP wise, the SRT10 is still more powerful? Don't know if there are any even more "powerful" trucks out there, probably like the F650 or such shit.
Any numbers on torque though, I guess a twin turbo V6 makes more than an NA V10 from a race car.
One thing going on for the F150 at least is off road capability which the SRT10 has closer to zero if I remember correctly.
>>15365870
The last gen Raptor weighed 6000-6100 lbs. Ford cut off 600 lbs just like they did with the F150.
It's going to weigh 5400-5500 lbs.
>>15365882
It might technically but the official Raptor specs still aren't out. Ford is only saying "over 450 HP".
>>15365893
Man, I'd really like one, but it's a truck so NOT ALLOWED IN EU and it's new so OH MY GOD WE NEED TO INSURE IT LIKE IT'S OUT OF GLASS also because the engine is slightly bigger than a 1.9 litre VW TDI engine so it's going to be EXTREMELY HEAVY ON THE ENVIRONMENT BETTER TAX IT TO FUCK AND BACK THAT WILL SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT AND LESSEN EMMISSIONS.
I fucking hate EU
>>15365893
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-in-depth-feature
5600-5800lbs
>>15365800
>No, it's discontinued.
Do you know what "in history" means?
Also history's most powerful production pickup truck is the G63 AMG 6x6 at 536 hp.
>>15365908
>but it's a truck so NOT ALLOWED IN EU
But that's incorrect, unlike Americans we're allowed to import and register whatever we want as long as it conforms to vehicle laws.
>>15365919
6100-500 lbs. Do the math. The crew cab is going to be the one that weighs 5600 lbs. Which will be the heaviest edition.
How are you getting 5800 lbs out of this?
Because it's a truck.
>>15365941
car&driver>you
5600-5800lbs
>>15365934
>trying to import anything from the US of A to EU
Good fucking luck and good riddance, you could probably buy like 10 brand new BMWs for the price of one F150
>>15365946
>estimated weight
kys retard
>>15365953
post was meant for >>15365941
>>15365961
>>15365953 was meant for >>15365946
>>15365827
Actually turbo straight sixes in most cases 10-20L
>>15365969
was meant for >>15365961
>>15365975
was meant for >>15365969
>muh V8 torks, power, no replacement, lolcantaffordV8
>V8 is inheretly inferior than the V6 because reasons (mileage??)
someone please enlighten me as to what is going on?
>>15365978
was meant for >>15365975 and >>15365969 which was meant for >>15365941
>>15365987
It's inferior for towing and offroading. The only actually advantage is muh sound.
>>15365952
I'm sorry (not) if you live in some cuckhole where cars are taxed a million percent, but here in Germany for imports it's ( ( purchase price of the vehicle + shipping costs ) + 10% import tax ) + 19% sales tax which adds up to 31% taxes on top of purchase and shipping, which won't make you bankrupt to be honest. In fact you can import an American Mustang GT for only slightly more than you'd pay for one that's sold here officially if you buy it in a US state without sales tax. Not like you'd do that, but it goes to show that imported American cars cost very nearly the same as if they were sold here.
>>15365972
And V8s in Scanias and Macks.
>>15365990
was meant for >>15365978
>>15365992
alright, now explain with words that actually means something, and not just repeat what you said earlier. because so far, you've given exactly zero reasons
>>15366003
was meant for >>15365953
>>15365987
Ford shills are real
>>15366013
was meant for >>15366003
>>15366012
I'm mad the corvette is faster than the gtr so I'm on a crusade against v8s
>>15366026
>>15366025
was meant for >>15365990
(any reply to this post will be considered admittance of defeat)
retard
That's a reply
Defeat accepted
gg
>>15365757
alright, so [this one brand new V6] is better than one specific V8 at one thing, so that means
>all V6s > all V8s?
let me just show how retarded this is
>BMW M12 turbo had 1400hp from an inline 4 in 1986
>the rolls royce M250 Turboprop has about 250hp
that means all i4s > all turboprops, nvm the 15000 hp NK 12s and the car your mother drives tou your new "extra dad" has a 60 hp inline 4
>>15365757
Twice the displacement and 8% more torque?
I'm not even a raptor fan and you sound retarded.
>>15366084
What? I said V6's are better for towing and offroading you stupid fuck. I never said they were better than V8's all together. Are you actually autistic?
>>15366096
You might want to read that again, buddy. Look at the RPM the torque is delivered at. The statistics favor the V6.
>>15366105
>less torque is better for towing
![[][][].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/czOATVE.jpg "[][][].jpg")
>>15366105
i have an entire bait folder. any requests?
>>15366115
>reving out an engine 2000 rpm's higher is better for towing
>having to rev out an engine 2000 rpm higher is better for offroading
>>15366116
>no actual argument
k
>>15366120
>bigger engine=more torque
how's that for an argument?
>>15366120
>offroading a brittle raptor
>towing with awd
L
>>15366124
Are you actually illiterate? Read >>15365757 again. I was clearly comparing the F150 vs the Silverado. Learn to read.
>>15366132
>can't follow a thread topic
>calls others illiterate
back to back Ls
>>15366135
>is too illiterate to comprehend text
>resorts to back peddling
>>15366132
m8, we are alughing at you because you chose to compare one specific V8 to one specific V6, and at one specific torque band and claims its somehow ignoring other RPMs, and other V8s
but i'll happily spam fishes at you, so others can laugh at you
>>15366143
>backpeddals
>accuses others of backpeddaling
three Ls in a row
>>15366145
Okay, name another production truck that outperforms the F150 in its class. I'll wait. Chevy is literally has the best V8's in class. There is no one else to compare to.
>inb4 ram
They're shit at making V8's.
>>15366156
see
>>15366084
You were clearly not following the threads subject in the first place. You're the only one back peddling.
>>15366163
>thinks the thread subject is the f150
>op posted a raptor
L L L L
>>15366180
>gets assblasted v8's are inferior for towing
>goes on full damage control mode
>>15365671
>V8's are objectively inferior for towing or offroading.
So thats why they were a mainstay for half ton pickups close to 60 years?
You also understand that the ecoboost while more powerful will need more maintenence over its life time versus a traditional OHV engine?
>>15366163
>r-ram is shit!
>ram is more powerful
bait image 4/87
>>15366185
>more backpeddling
>deflects and projects
Lx5
>>15366188
Not an argument. They still don't out tow an F150. ;^)
>>15366190
>ram is more powerful
[citation needed]
>>15366194
>more damage control
>>15365611
The raptor can't even handle a tiny bmx jump with out exploding into 1000 pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQdlXvbWSU
>>15366198
soo, image 5/87
even the fucking thundra with the nig-rigged.supercharger has more power. THE TUNDRA
>>15366228
>modified vs stock trucks
We're comparing stock vs stock here, kiddo. I know it's hard but try to keep up.
>>15366235
>you can only compare trucks I say you can compare!!
this is autism
>>15366259
>hurr durr a modified truck makes more power!!
yes, you're right. you are autistic
>>15365953
Sorry forgot you live in burger land so it's actually 400lbs
>>15366235
But the Raptor is a modified F-150.
>>15366267
>i know u r but wat am i!!
autistic.
Tundra costs less and it's more powerful.
Ram can tow 5x more etc.
Face it kid, the raptor is a mall crawler.
>>15366288
>tundra is more powerful
[citation needed]
>ram can tow more
[citation needed]
>>15366267
>V8
>540hp
>560lbft
or maybe my cherrypicked truck cant be compared to your cherrypicked truck?
>>15366325
>implying anybody offroads those
>implying those are anything but pavement princesses
>>15366335
first off, thats completely irrelevant since this has been a towing related discussion (i think). but contrary to the raptor, this wont split in half if it goes offroad, and when it does, it does it much better
>>15366348
>last gen raptor
Show me a current gen raptor splitting in half during offroading.
>>15366355
show me a 6x6 splitting in half ever
now if nither of the cars split in half, you are just left with less power, turbos, torque and cylinders. great!
>>15366372
So you can't prove this gen Raptor will split and you're just shitposting?
>>15366389
no i cant. so now you have a truck that wont split in half (yay).
still gonna have to adress the issue of power, torque offroad capability, towing capacity. and because its a V8
>>15366419
2017 model is a V6
>>15366437
yes. and the inheretly superior mercedeshas a V8
>>15366419
No, I don't. A G wagon isn't a competitor to the F150. Besides, I don't even know the towing capacity of the g wagon yet.
>>15366442
it may very well be superior, but doesn't it cost a small fortune?
>>15366445
good thinking there! because of at least 100 less Hp and 100 less torque, and two fewer drive wheels, i bet its about half
>>15366446
yes it does.
fuck i have to stop drinking.
sorry i ruined your thread. i have problems since a few months back. sorry guys im not usually like this
>>15366464
What is the G wagons towing capacity?
>>15365880
They won't. The 6.2 V8 is/was an outdated pig.
The raptor should've had the full-fledged Coyote from the start.
>>15366536
>no screaming Raptor GT350
why live?
Ford shills out in full force today.
>>15366543
The GT350 has to rev to 4750 rpm to make peak torque. That would be terrible in an off road truck.
>>15366587
really short gears and flooring it. angriest rock crawler.
>>15366325
gay
>>15366591
That would pretty much negate the whole point of putting in the 10 speed. It would get terrible mpg.
>>15366599
low range, niggah
>>15366604
What you're pretty much saying is put a Ferrari V8 in an off road truck. It won't work. These engines are made for lightweight vehicles, because that's the only application they work in. They make no torque and have to rev a shit ton to make said torque. If Ford made a Raptor like that it would never be able to climb any rocks.
>>15366621
>wat is gearing
>>15366643
Your point? Even if they got it to work, it still wouldn't be superior for rock climbing or baja racing compared to the EcoBoost. Besides, Ford has to get a overall 50 MPG average by 2020 mandated by the government. Putting a high reving V8 that gets 18 MPG already in the GT350 inside in a Raptor that's over 1500 lbs heavier isn't going to help Ford achieve that goal.
>>15366669
or force every raptor buyer to buy a Fiesta SFE, like Aston does
>>15366680
That's not how this works. They could buy a trillion fiesta's. Ford still won't have a 50 MPG average.
>>15366669
point was gearing works as a torque multiplier. A a low displacement hig revving engine can still "climb rocks".
>>15366692
it can work, you just need the average driver to want the 50MPG car, and the performance drivers willing to buy a second car (some kind of electric car most likely) to compensate for the damage they did to the average score.
>>15366700
Why would you go through all that work when an EcoBoost engine delivers torque at over 2000 rpm's lower?
>>15366704
You're not understanding. Ford literally has to create vehicles to reach the 50 MPG average goal. It has nothing to do with customers buying their vehicles.
>>15366718
this shouldn't effect performance vehicles though. just sell gutless plug in hybrids and electrics and slap some stickers on it to show off how hipster cool the driver is for saving the world from big bad oil man.
>>15366718
I made a mistake in this post. I meant to say CREATE or UPDATE vehicles.
>>15365611
>Why isn't this truck talked about more often? It's literally the most powerful and most capable stock production truck in history.
I think not, Power Wagon is still top dog for serious offroading in my book and will last decades longer in the real world.
>>15366922
>decades
>can't keep their 2014 trucks from rusting
wew lad
Because /o/ is for poorfags and it's an expensive car that nobody on /o/ besides .1% of users would be able to afford.
>>15367101
Can I see your raptor?
>>15366922
>"Power Wagon"
If it was a true Power Wagon, it would have had a Cummins
>>15367640
>diesel
>>15366163
>Implying Hemi V8s aren't godly
>>15365611
You little Race mixing fuck up, you could have gone towards the light. You could have had the holiest of holy trucks, the Geo Tracker. You could have had that small wheelbase and japanese reliability.
But you fucked up didnt you. You didn't rehome one of a million trackers, no you had to buy the pigfat raptor. That roody poo piece of shit.
Now you want my approval. After you forsaken the Geo Tracker
what a shit thread
>>15366143
HOLY SHIT SOMEONE SAVED MY IMAGE
>>15365770
The fucking voice of reason shows himself. Thanks m8.
>>15365611
Its a pretty boy truck
>>15367126
I already have a King Ranch F-150, so I really don't have a use for a Raptor. I'm saving up to build on my land.
>>15365611
The ram power wagon is objectively better.
>winch
>heavy duty solid front and rear axles
>sway bars disconnect at the push if a button
>locking differentials front and rear
>>15367640
Those old Power Wagons give me such a hardon.
>>15372127
power wagon sounds cooler than raptor too
>>15372127
No, it isn't. It would get raped in a baja race.
>>15372243
lol
>>15365920
Don't forget that they also got a Brabus version of that.
>>15366335
Look for offroad videos on that. Also people will actually hesitate to take it to of road as they want to keep it polished always.
>>15372127
>FCA
>>15366026
>>15366027
Now this is just plain skilful how you managed to somehow get that meme into this thread.
