>DOHC
>SOHC
>PUSHROD
which is superior??
>>15350973
Pushrods push gods
the one I own of course
>>15350973
DOHC
E C O B O O S T
C
O
B
O
O
S
T
>>15350973
depends on the application. DOHC makes more power per displacement, but pushrods are so much smaller. It's easy to fit a pushrod V8 with twice the displacement in the same hole that would normally be occupied by a DOHC V6.
Pic related. GM LS2 6.0L V8 next to a Nissan VQ35DE 3.5L V6
If your application is very space limited, a pushrod engine may be better,
>sohc
>mfw
>>15350995
better image.
A Ford 4.9L 302 Windsor on one side, and the 4.6L DOHC Modular engine that replaced it.
>>15350973
DOHC for optimal efficiency and valve control over 9000 RPM.
Pushrod for optimal packaging. Has sufficient valve control up to ~9000RPM in most applications.
SOHC has the packaging size of DOHC, yet without the valve control.
>>15350995
How about when it comes to horse power to weight ratio?
>>15351080
Then it's rotary all the way
>>15351080
aluminum pushrod. There's a reason The LS engines are widely regarded as the best V8 around.
>>15350995
No wonder a 2 seat 350z could weight more than 3200lbs
>>15351126
>The LS engines are widely regarded as the best V8 around.
By niggers and idiots.
>>15351207
>in regards to power/weight and overall size
Lrn 2 read in context
>name a v8 that is more compact and light, more reliable, and has more potential than an LS
>protip-you can't
>>15351221
Chevy 572?
>>15351110
>apex seals
>>15351221
1uz??
>>15351266
Wouldn't the 572 be physically bigger and heavier than any of the smaller LS's? I'm honestly not sure, but common sense tells me yes.
>>15351271
We're simply talking about power to weight here. Longevity was never mentioned.
>>15351285
The 572 is an iron big block monstrosity, so yea. Way heavier than an LS.
>>15351287
But with a lot more potential .
>>15350973
>not a pushrod motor
>not a L4
>doesnt have DEI
>has moving parts in the head
4 chin does it wrong again
I'll just leave this here
Also, >>15351276 according to this chart the 1uz and Ls2 with trannys attached are within 20 lbs of each other, so basically the same. Now, in terms of physical size...Ls wins
>>15351302
But weight is a big factor here. Fuck off with your boat anchor. Fucking Boomers.
>>15351302
A fucking industrial diesel generator or a cruise ship engine has a lot of potential too. You need to take into consideration weight and physical size
>>15350973
>>15351033
SOHC sucks unless it's made by Honda. They've added valve control from the R series (140hp) to the J series (270hp)
They are magicians with that shit
>>15350973
Quad valve pushrod
lego camshafts I built to display to my little brother how valves and camshafts operate
>>15352058
gif. that shit man
>>15352063
flathead
>>15350981
>>15350995
>>15351019
>>15351126
>>15351221
>>15351311
Pushrods a literal shit
>>15351307
You forgot to add a supercharger making boost after the intercooler and a turbo (alternator) sucking in more exhaust before the intercooler.
Also make all the pipes straight so you can straight pipe to the DEI name.
DOHC is the only correct answer
>>15352351
>250 ft/lbs at 8,000 rpm
LEL
>>15352351
Nice Hayabusa V8, m8.
>>15352605
>torque
>relevant
LEL
>cams
BOI
>>15352769
Haha.
Found the 16 year old who took first year auto shop last semester.
Horsepower only gets you across the finish line.
Torque gets you to the line.
Without that torque you'll be stuck with 30 second 0-60 times.
BTW, torque is a measurable number, horsepower is calculated and doesn't actually exist.
>>15350973
Capacitor start Induction run :v
>>15351126
Never heard of the 1UZ-FE. Best V8 for its time. Period.
>>15352828
you're literally retarded
>>15352828
do you know how gears work? because if you did you'd know why your statement is retarded.
>>15352828
You know how electric motors make tons of torque at 0 rpm right?
Wanna know why the car doesn't move until that engine starts actually spinning?
>>15352828
>>15352828
You are aware cars have transmissions right?
>>15351287
They'rw avaipable in aluminium though.
>>15352819
>Implying Multiair isn't 10 times simpler and just as efficient in real use
>>15350986
>Pigfat
>>15351221
Aluminium third gen Hemi.
>>15351444
Also, Fiat, since their SOHC Multiair basically acts as a fully independant DOHC unit.
>>15352351
Apples to oranges. Find a similar bore/stroke ratio pushrod engine of similar exterior displacement, and it'd have more internals displacement and easily more power.
>>15351004
>delicious valve spring tears
>>15353123
>find a similar bore stroke pushrod
there are none, since pushrods are inferior and no one uses them in bikes, other than shitty harleys
> easily more power.
psuhrods make less power than DOHC ur retarded
I pushed my rod into ur mum while she sohced my doch
>>15350973
>implying it matters
>>15350973
my DD has a pushrod I-4.
>>15353123
Retard alert
ECOBOOST isn't pifgat. It weighs as much as a 5.0 engine and is capable of over 600 HP, reliably.
>>15353108
Isn't free valve just Multi-Air for intake and exhaust?
>>15352819
The thing that bothers me with Freevalve is the packaging.
Why the Baldman didn't fit the valve actuators lower, or even better, I'm a V-layout, inside the V? That'd be glorious
>>15353153
No one uses them in performance bikes because their packaging advantage only comes when you apply it to V engines. Sportsbikes are dominated by inlines. All of this, however, does not apply to automobiles.
Pushrod engines of similar exterior displacement, weight and packaging size can get more internal displacement, and thus more power then an equivalent DOHC unit.
>Ur retarded
2/10
>>15353598
The 5.0 isn't exactly a light engine either.
Any given DOHC V6 weighs about as much as a pushrod V8, assuming similar materials and design goals. Add those turbo's to a built aluminium Windsor, and you'll get a similar weight result, with similar packaging - but 600hp would be peanuts. Ford will struggle to make over 600hp using just under 2 bar of boost. Meanwhile, half a decade ago, Saleen made a car that was almost as light (despite not having Ford's engineering and materials department), and produced more horsepower with less than 0.5 bar of boost.
>>15353758
No, where Multiair takes a cam, turns it into a hydraulic 'signal' and modifies it for either power or efficiency (depending on the ECU), Freevalve does not have any valves at all, it just activates the valves directly using electrohydraulics.
Fiat's system can do 90-95% of what Freevalve does in terms of efficiency, without resorting to extremely new techniques. The only advantage Freevalve has is that it can ahieve extremely high ramp speeds.
>>15351311
Your charts fucked. The first two weights I looked at. If an ls1 without Trans is 500 lbs, then how is an ls2 with Trans 509?
>>15353816
>there are no V4 bikes
you are a confirmed retard
>>15354400
that bike looks sexy
do want one with an exhaust
>>15353816
>Pushrod engines of similar exterior displacement, weight and packaging size can get more internal displacement, and thus more power then an equivalent DOHC unit.
how come pushrod harley bikes make less power than OHC V-Twin engines
DOHC, as long as its not from a boxer 4
>>15354430
>DOHC, as long as its not from a boxer 4
Pleb
>>15354447
the boxer 6 was better
>>15354430
>over $60,000 for a flat four
Porsche niggers will defend this
>>15354458
Says the guy who hasn't driven either
>>15354467
stay mad the boxer 6 was better
>>15354488
You're an idiot
t. Flat 6 Porsche owner
>>15354496
so why are you mad if you have the superior engine
unless you have a sub 3.0 liter one of course
in which case u r a tard
>>15354515
Not mad, just sad at how stupid you are
Keep riding your bus
>>15354519
why are you sad if you have the superior flat 6 engine then?
are you a cuck or something?
>>15354515
So by your logic a sub 3 litre air cooled 911 is shit and he'd be a tard for owning one?
>>15354515
>u
>r
Never reproduce
>>15354531
aircooled is pretty shitty 2bh
its 2016
>>15350973
Two Stroke.
>It's now a porsche superiority complex (over other porsche owners) episode.
>>15350973
SOHC
rocker arms are cool, yo
>>15354400
>Modern pushrod V supersports bikes
>>15354418
By being aircooled cruiser engines.
DOHC
O
H
C
friendly reminder
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1103-how-to-hot-rod-any-engine/
>Aardema has done SOHC conversions by building custom cam boxes that bolt to an existing overhead-valve motor's heads. On this LS motor, converting from OHV to SOHC configuration was worth 21 hp with an identical cam profile-and the engine happily revs to 7,000 rpm with no valve float.
>same heads
>same valve profile
>extra 21 HP
pushrods a shit
>>15353816
>Any given DOHC V6 weighs about as much as a pushrod V8
The 3.5L EcoBoost engine weighs over 70 pounds less than a superchargered LT4 engine and makes more power. Stock VS stock the EcoBoost is better. Sure if you're aiming for 2000 HP the LT4 is definitely the better option but the EcoBoost engine is still lighter. Which means a lower curb weight for a vehicle.
>>15356506
>All that work
>Just 21hp
Heads aren't identical of course - they might flow differently than the stock LS units, and they might add some sompression ratio. Both of these things could easily explain the 21 hp difference.
Meanwhile, you buy a set of decent heads for an LS, and you can easily get 21hp, with the same cam. For the record, a stock LS can also turn 7000RPM, and it'll be quite a lot wider and heavier with those DIY SOHC heads.
>>15351145
Except the track package 350z weighs 3220lbs fag
>>15356507
The stock 3.5 Ecoboost only makes 350hp. A stock LT4 makes 640-650hp.
Keep in mind the Ecoboost needs more ancilliaries in the form of it's turbo piping and intercooling, which take up way more room than the compact supercharged pushrod setup. All this packaging needs room in the chassis - which weighs a hell of a lot more then just the engine. Add the fact that a turbo DOHC V6 is wider and taller, and you'll end up with a heavier chassis, possibly with a higher CoG too, thanks to those heads sticking up high.
A lower curb weight isn't all about a low engine weight. It's also about chassis design, which for a large part revolves around engine and driveline packaging.
>>15356542
>damage control
sorry, OHC is superior to pushrods and that article proves it
the >muh price is a retarded argument, and its not related to the engineering aspect of the comparions but to economy of scale, and that is completly irrelevant
Had GM not been shitters they would have offered a SOHC LS, since it makes more power
>weight
literally a couple of lbs considering ti doesnt have pushrods, lifters and the fact that it uses a belt instead of a chain
you have been proved wrong with car engines, bike engines and even OHC modifications made to pushrod engines
but feel free stay mad tho
>>15356556
>weigh more then 3200 pounds
>3220 > 3200
>>15356570
>Implying you didn't mean way over 3200
It's okay that your car is slower than a Nissan, you'll never be fast and that's okay anon
>>15356563
>the EcoBoost only makes 350 stock
lol no
>>15356575
>post made 20+ hours ago
>implying I'm the same person
My 370z is faster than your bus bench.
>>15356569
>Le smug animu face
Same budget would've gotten you a set of aftermarket heads that would massively outflow the SOHC DIY units.
Same amount of R&D engineering at GM would've resulted in better pushrod heads, and thus more power.
GM actually tried going OHC multivalve for their LS7, and it didn't make significantly more power - not enough to offset the weight and packaging problems. They even tried multivalve pushrod engines, but that was too complicated for too little gain.
>Literally a couple of pounds
Nope. Go weigh them then.
Individual valvetrain components aren't what causes the added mass. They're supposed to be as light as possible to reduce valvetrain inertia. What adds mass is the added head material for bearing a cam and such.
>Belts
>Good
You're delusional.
>>15356580
Quote a horsepower number then. Even at the predicted 600, it's still got less power than the LT4 - despite being the worse engine to package.
>>15356582
The fuck are you talking about I drive a turbo g35
>>15356595
Sure you do.
>bash on Nissan
>drives a Nissan
Bread on turbo.
>>15356592
It's going to have over 700 HP, what are you talking about?
>>15356600
Most magazines are quoting 600 though.
Still, without official confirmation, the stock Ecoboost produces about 350hp.
>>15356603
Nobody is saying 600 HP. They're saying "over 600 HP" which is what Ford is telling them.
whatever happens to those pneumatics and solenoid cams?
>>15356590
i don't think you understand what is being discussed here, budget is irrelevant
> in better pushrod heads, and thus more power.
pushrods head aren't any better than 2 valve SOHC and are inferior to 4 valve DOHC
>it didn't make significantly more power - not enough to offset the weight and packaging problems
thats because GM sucks at everything
>Nope.
yup, several DOHC engines are within 20-30lbs off an LS
the 1UZ weights the same as an ls1, and they have 2 extra camshafts and gears for the cams
LS heads with rockers, valves and springs are 30-ish lbs, a honda b series head, which happens to have DOHC is 45-ish lbs and you still need to add the pushrods, lifters and cam weight to the LS heads
also, no one is discussing if belts are good or not, nice straw grasping
there is nothing wrong with belts tho
it seems like pushrods don't have any weight advantage
go ahead tho, keep being wrong
>>15356610
If it was going to be "over 700hp," then they'd be saying over 700hp, not 600.
>>15356617
>ford has never lied about specs before
The Ford GT racecar is running at 10 PSI and makes somewhere around 500 HP. All Ford has to do is increase boost pressure to create 700 HP.
>>15356617
>>15356610
Even better, I think Ford would be saying ''over 650hp'' if it did.
>>15356506
>solid proof pushrods are inferior to OHC
>"n-no it doesn't count"
gotta love how delusional pushrods fangirls are
>>15356624
And you can increase boost even more to make 800, 900, 1000hp. What's your point? They're not going to come running 20+ pounds of boost stock.
>>15356616
>budget is irrelevant
Budget is always relevant - engineering budget or consumer budget, it always is.
Pushrod OHV heads are lighter and more compact, allowing for a smaller chassis.
>thats because GM sucks at everything
Honda tried multivalve pushrods, made decent power. It's only rally feasible in a V-twin though, and it was only barely better than an OHC cruiser.
And then they were stupid enough to mount it longitudinally. Sigh.
>comapring apples to oranges this much
1UZ isn't even in the same league as an LS in terms of power production (it is a great engineering achievement, I'll give you that). A Bucik 215 is even lighter than a 1UZ, and a lot smaller.
>comparing apples to oranges again
How in the hell is a B series comparable to an LS? Bore spacing on the B series is 90mm, bore spacing on an LS is 4.4'' (~112mm), they''e not even physically comparable.
>there is nothing wrong with belts tho
6/10, got me.
>>15356629
>They're not going to come running 20+ pounds of boost stock.
http://articles.sae.org/13388/
>The twin-turbo configuration, which uses low-pressure BorgWarner turbochargers, is similar to that of the 3.5-L EcoBoost V6, with peak boost of 29 psi (200 kPa).
>29 psi
>>15356629
>they're not going to come running 20 PSI stock
Yes, they will, or at least come close.
>>15356629
>they're not going to come running 20 PSI stock
Do you even realize how reliable and durable EcoBoost engines are? They're capable of high levels of boost reliably. I wouldn't be surprised if the GT was running over 30 PSI and had an anti lag system carried over from the race car.
>>15356635
>2.7l
Reading is hard. Not even talking about that engine moron.
>>15356643
>reliably
Okay, source.
>>15356644
Sure, we're talking about the 3.5 - but if the 2.7 can take 29psi, the 3.5 can probably take 20.
>>15356635
>Budget is always relevant
no it isn't, we are not discussing which one is cheaper, we are discussing which one is better
>brotip its OHC
>Pushrod OHV heads are lighter and more compact
they are not tho, see >>15352351
>1UZ isn't even in the same league as an LS in terms of power production
thats due to the tune and application, a properly tuned UZ can make more than enough power, see GT500 engines, and they breath through restrictor plates
>How in the hell is a B series comparable to an LS? Bore spacing on the B series is 90mm, bore spacing on an LS is 4.4'' (~112mm), they''e not even physically comparable.
they absolute are. being a couple of cm longer is irrelevant considering its just a couple of lbs that would bring the B series head to around 50lbs which is pretty much the same compared to an LS engine head+ the cam, pushrods and lifters
>6/10, got me.
some of the highest hp/lb engines use belts, you are a tard
>>15356645
EcoBoost engines are reliable, what "source" do you need?
>>15356658
show me a source to backup your "high boost reliability" then
>>15356657
Better also encompasses costs - but apparently you're not an engineer.
>comparing apples
>to
>oranges
Again?
Both engines, in similar states of tune, can make good amounts of power - but the LS will make more. Despite the UZ being heavier.
>just a couple of lbs
>he doesn't know weight scales exponentially to an object's length
What's even worse is that you could've posted a similad DOHC head (similar bore spacing, port size etc) using a source ITT, but you didn't.
Most of the actually reliable ones use gears or chains. Having a wear item on an interference engine's valvetrain is a bad idea.
>>15356664
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a25497/this-is-what-a-550-hp-ford-taurus-sho-looks-like/
https://youtu.be/eIMsgZgeb4M
>>15356677
>158HP driveline loss
Sounds legit. How about the dozens of F150s with blown motors from just a tune?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ford+ecoboost+blown+motor
>>15356613
this is what I'm fucking keen for, tiny little 1L engines revving to 15k RPM with no valvetrain issues
>>15356690
So, motorcycle engines?
>>15356669
> a rifle is better at shooting people from a distance than a stick
>b-but the stick is cheaper so its better
yeah nah, its confirmed that OHC is superior and you are just grasping at straws
DOHC isn't expensive, every major manufacturer has done OHC engines, and again cost is related to economies of scale and supply so its irrelevant
>but the LS will make more
and a OHC LS will make more than a pushrod one, without being considerably heavier as proved with the comparison with a B series head
>the UZ being heavier.
the UZ isn't heavier
>he doesn't know weight scales exponentially to an object's length
nice projection, an increase of 80mm in bore spacing is not going to increase the weight of the heads more than 10lbs, considering the whole head, with valves, cams and spings is 45lbs
> a similad DOHC head
I posted one, the B series head is from a performance engine, just like an aluminium ls3 head
>Having a wear item on an interference engine's valvetrain is a bad idea.
chains are a wear item
it seems like you want to turn this into a circlejerk to avoid the fact that pushrods are inferior to OHC so let me point it out for the last time
>>15352351
>>15353153
>bike OHC engines are lighter, more compact and make more power than OHV motorcycle engines
>>15356506
>OHC conversion for the LS makes more power
keep your head in the sand tho
>>15356679
>158 hp drivetrain loss
Yes, on a stock transmission. What's your point.
>blown motors
>cherry picking
Okay? This is the same engine that survived 24 hours without a problem. Also, in 2010 it was proven to be reliable when they took a random engine off the assembly line and did multiple torture tests simulating 150k miles.
http://www.full-race.com/articles/what-is-ecoboost.html
This still doesn't disprove my original point that the GT can easily handle 20+ PSI.
Stay delusional, you'll be proven wrong just like when the haters said the GT would never win Lemans.
>>15356713
>cherry picking
>literally ONE example of a car that hasn't blown up yet
>it's reliable i swear
>y-youre just delusional
fuck off fanboy, anyone that has ever had a turbo car knows that running that much boost on a stock drive train is asking for disaster
>>15356698
>le funny reaction images instead of valid arguments
Rifles and sticks do not compare like two engine types.
You're stating something without properly argumenting it.
DOHC is more expensive, and mroe expensive in the aftermarket. Go buy a crate Modular or a crate LS with a similar power output, you'll see a price difference.
A pushrod LS with an aftermarket head will provide a similar boost in power, without the weight and packaging penalty. Comparison with a small B series head is not valid.
Even at the same weight, the 1UZ lacks power compared to the LS, considering similar states of tune.
If you're so sure that the increase in bore spacing won't increase weight by that much, why didn't you post, say, a 928 DOHC V8 head instead? Oh wait, it's becasue DOHC heads that have similar bore spacing are heavier, and by a fiar margin - and that's not getting into the packaging end of it.
Both are performance heads - but they aren't comparable.
Chains are less of a wear item.
Bike engines cannot be clearly compared becasue they use different design goals. You''e comparing supersports engines to aircooled cruisers.
OHC conversions on an LS make more power - but not significantly. All those gains could be had with a cheaper, simpler aftermarket head upgrade, which would not negatively effect the engine width, height, CoG, and weight.
>>15356695
Yeah pretty much hey. I probably should have thought about that since I literally have a RVF.
Keen for 20k RPM then
>>15356713
28% drivetrain loss is pretty significant.
![o-OSTRICH-IN-THE-SAND-facebook[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/de9wPPm.jpg "o-OSTRICH-IN-THE-SAND-facebook[1].jpg")
>>15356729
>>15356732
The problem with ever increasing RPM hasn't been the valvetrain for a long time though - it's piston speed. Increasing it more and more results in severe issues, including more parasitic drag, and general unreliability. Want to reduce it by reducing engine stroke? Fine, but you'll lose most of your bottom end torque that is vital to a car's economy.
>>15356740
>post a reaction image instead of a proper argument.
>>15356720
>15 psi is a lot of boost
>a car that lasted 24 hours isn't reliable
You're going to be proven wrong anyways when the car gets released in November.
>>15356733
>stock transmission
>>15356744
I already posted a proper argument, with sources, here
>>15356506
>>15352351
you on the contrary, haven't, your only reply is throwing a tantrum and trying to create a circlejerk
post a pushrod converted OHC head making more power using the same heads and valve profile
>brotip; you can't
also, just for the record, there are watercooler v-twin and v4 motorcycle engines, and yes, they make less power than OHC
>>15356746
>going from SHO to GT
>professional racecar maintained by a qualified team will somehow be the exact same as joeblowfucksmo on his ecoboost
You can't even keep your foot out of your mouth long enough to make a valid argument faggot.
>>15356645
>a company creating a limited edition supercar won't have the budget to make 700 HP reliably in a V6
This isn't a Nissan GTR, dumbass. It's a limited edition car built in house. Jesus christ, /o/ is so fucking stupid.
>>15356758
>this isn't a nissan GTR
the thing the nissan GTR can make power from a twin turbo v8 reliably, unlike you know, the vette
>>15356748
First source did not specify compression ratio or port volume.
Second source is an invalid comparison, comparing two engine with wildly different applications, cost, and maintenance intervals.
Now you're just using ad hominems.
You cannot convert an OHC to pushrods, because they lack a cam gallery in the middle of the block.
There are V2 and V4 motorcycle engines, yes. There are no pushrod V4 engines however (outside of the LS-derived Motus units), and all V2 pushrod engines are designed for cruisers, mostly by an utterly uncompetetive company (Harley). Therefore, any comparisons between motorcycle engines are invalid.
>>15356754
>"going SHO to GT"
It's the same exact engine, you fucking imbecile.
>>15356758
Are you fucking retarded? I asked for a source of high boost ecoboost engines and got one source. If you'd like to pull your head out of your fanboy ass and post something to the contrary, then please, by all means, go ahead.
>calling anyone else stupid when you can't follow a simple conversation and pick one post to get asshurt about
>>15356762
Okay, they just pulled the engine out of a Taurus and slapped it in the GT, right?
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NirtMQn.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>15356761
there we go again
>>15356763
see
>>15356677
You actually got two sources, you just went on damage control and started cherry picking.
>>15356764
Pretty much, it shares 70% of the same parts. ;^)
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/03/ford-gt-engine-shares-
>>15356766
>2 sources
And I showed many links where nearly 30 3.5L ecoboost truck engines blew up within the first 3 pages of a simple search and all you could say is "hurrr cherrypicking." Ford even got sued over it, but I guess that's cherrypicking too, huh? Fucking fanboys are completely retarded.
>>15356766
>2 vehicles that boast about how much HP an engine makes, never to be heard from again, are somehow reliable
>>15356768
>ford sells 1 million ecoboost trucks
>HURR DURR!! 30 OF THEM BROKE!!
>THEY'RE ALL UNRELIABLE SHIT!!! DURRR!!!
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2016/06/29/ford-has-now-sold-more-than-1-million-f-150s-ecoboost/86519178/
>>15356773
You seem mad you were proven wrong.
>>15356774
>proven wrong
>2 people out of the millions of vehicles sold managed to tune their engine to high boost and it didn't die long enough for them to make a short video means it's reliable
you're killing your own credibility when replying to someone else you fanboy tool
>>15356774
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4PiHWxHesg
>had an old mustang
>"It doesn't steer, it doesn't stop"
>"Those cars had pushrods!!"
top fucking kek to be honest
>>15356774
>engines blow up with mild tune
>2 that haven't yet
>they're all reliable hurrrrrrrr
>>15356779
>i'll make up assumptions of what happened to a car off screen despite no evidence
Those cars I mentioned never broke down, you're just talking out of your ass.
>>15356783
>still cherry picking
>yfw ecoboost is goat
>yfw pushrods btfo
great thread
>>15356791
prove they didn't break down and are still running high boost on the stock drivetrain then
>>15356797
Yfw ecoboost is still homosexual
Faster to suck cocks?
>BTFO!!!! etc
>>15356791
>3 vehcioes out of millions, including one race car, ran okay with high boost
>not cherrypicking
How can you call someone out for something when you're doing the same thing you dumbass?
>>15356798
>makes claim
>doesn't provide evidence
Burden of proof is on you.
>>15356803
There are entire tuning facilities including Livernois that have tuned hundreds of F150's without a problem. All you did was cherry pick a few and claim they're a shit.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/news/a24602/ford-racing-really-wants-you-to-mod-ecoboost-engines/
http://www.torquenews.com/1/f-150-ecoboost-aftermarket-tuning-options
>>15356800
terrible post
>>15356816
>makes claim they never broke down
>doesn't provide evidence
>but it's okay when i do it, not you
fucking idiot
>>15356817
N..no!
Nothing beats the sex appeal of a prushrod V8 big block with two fours
>>15356816
>hundreds out of millions with no problem
>somehow not cherry picked examples
>only shows links advertising tunes, not reliability reports
>>15356819
You're the fucking idiot who claimed they broke down first. Are you literally retarded?
>>15356824
>blatantly ignoring evidence
>>15356831
I said there's no proof they were still reliably running, other than the short videos. Is reading seriously this fucking hard for you?
>>15356831
>200 out of millions means is reliable
>evidence is muh advertising
Kek. Fucking retarded fanboy.
>>15356823
>*unzips dick*
beat this
>>15356833
>"it didn't die long enough for them to make a short video means it's reliable"
You're the one who made a claim.
>>15356834
The stock engine is reliable and so is the tuned, all you could find is a combination of about 30 of stock and tuned vehicles and claimed they're all shit. You're an idiot.
>>15356838
>beats "unzips dick"
>>15356840
And you're claiming they are reliable, with no fucking proof. I guess you're just going to leave your head stuffed up your fat ass, so there's really no point.
>>15356840
>so reliable ford got sued
>>15356470
>>15356847
They are reliable. I've already proven that with evidence. The only "evidence" you have is an autistic greentext. This just goes back to my original point that Superchargered or Turbocharged V8's are STILL heavier than a 3.5L EcoBoost V6. Deal with it.
>>15356851
>ford just got sued
>just got sued
>just got
>JUST
[citation needed]
>>15356857
>just
Can't read can you dumbass? Guess you're used to seeing shit that isn't true.
>>15356857
>my two videos of these cars is evidence
>don't forget the race car didn't have catastrophic failure, that counts too
>calling anyone else autistic when you think your """""""""""evidence"""""""""" isn't just you being a retarded fanboy
>>15356860
>has no evidence
ok
>>15356865
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/05/lawsuit-claims-defects-in-ford-ecoboost-35-liter-v-6.html
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1084425_in-wake-of-lawsuits-nhtsa-investigates-ford-ecoboost-engine
http://www.autonews.com/article/20130515/RETAIL/130519929/lawsuit-claims-defects-in-ford-3.5-liter-v-6-ecoboost-engine
Nowhere did I say they "just" got sued you illiterate fucktard. If you weren't so asshurt and bouncing around in your chair throwing a fit you might be able to actually read.
>>15356864
>around 30 ecoboost f150s of over a million made had issues!!!
>they're all shit!!!
You're the only one retarded around here.
>>15356871
>stop counting at 30
>it's only 30
>2 cars are fine at high boost, all of them are fine
>i'm not retarded, you are!
>>15356852
>pushrod V4
Reading is hard, huh?
>>15356870
>ford JUST got sued you guise!!!
>let me just post an article from 3 years ago!!!
They literally update these engines on a yearly basis, those issues were fixed over 2 years ago.
Any more autistic arguments?
>>15356875
Do you have an official count or are you just going to keep shitposting?
>>15356879
see
>>15356851
>so reliable ford got sued
>so butthurt you have to twist my words into saying just got sued to try and prove a point
fuck off fanboy faggot
>>15356879
Do you have a count of the reliable tuned engines or are you going to just keep shitposting? Your head is so far up your ass you can't see that my every post is just mocking your stupid ass, yet you keep getting mad. You're like the fucking kid that bullies everyone then cries to his mommy when he gets punched in the face.
>>15356883
>literally this mad at a V6
Every time you try to claim EcoBoost engines are unreliable I disprove it using facts. Stay mad, cuck.
>>15356887
>trying to move goalposts
kek, nope.
>>15356894
>facts
>this racecar did okay it means they're all reliable
>""""""""""""""just"""""""""
Your so-called facts are click-bait sites advertising tunes, you have nothing.
>>15356894
>y-youre just moving goalposts because you called me out on my shit
>I'll still post my smug reaction images because my benchracing is better
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaa mommyyy whaaaaaaaaaa
Literally you
>>15356899
They also did a torture test of 150k miles on the engine. Are you illiterate or something?
https://youtu.be/G-DsrC57UD8
>>15356900
>no! I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
stay mad, cuck
>>15356903
>"""""""""just""""""
>calling anyone else illiterate
whatever you say fat boy
>>15356903
>muh buzzwords because I'm triggered more now than ever you called me on my bullshit but I'll pretend I'm right and you're not
>>15356904
>btfo so hard he resorts to projecting
kek
>>15356907
>this assmad a V6 is better
kek
>>15356911
>can't read
>calls anyone else illiterate
>not projecting
>anime
it all makes sense now, you're that jobless nocar gtr turned gt fanboy nigger
>>15356911
What? I never said v8 was better. Stop grasping for straws.
>>15356913
>can't read
No, I can. It's actually you that refuses to look at the evidence I provided.
>implying anime is bad
Well, it's no wonder you're so fucking stupid. Back to Facebook you go.
>>15356915
Nobody is grasping at anything. The original argument was that a 3.5L V6 EcoBoost engine is lighter than the Superchargered V8 LT4, which is completely true. Obviously, I triggered a bunch of dumb pushrod cuckolds.
>>15356759
>>this isn't a nissan GTR
>the nissan GTR can make power from a twin turbo v8 reliably
You killed your arguement dead. How the fuck do you breathe?
>>15356919
that's why you read "ford just got sued" from "so reliable ford got sued" right?
>>15356919
>more buzzwords
>its not this argument, its that v6 > v8
>moved goalposts because you're still grasping at straws
Thanks for proving my point
>>15356922
>ford got sued
>a lawsuit 3 years ago is relevant to current reliability
They literally update these engines yearly. The issue was fixed over 2 years ago.
>>15356924
>m-mommy! he used words i don't like!!
>literally is to retarded to scroll up
ok, buddy.
>>15356935
>to retarded
proved it again
>>15356935
>yet problems still happen
You're always here, you should know about the guy with the new king ranch that blew up at 9k miles.
>>15356939
>says not grasping at straws
>resorts to moving goalposts and buzzword insults
>y-you don't have an argument
yeah, a grown ass man that likes sexualized girls in cartoons and animals is pretty pathetic.
>>15356941
>problems happen on mass production truck
Okay? How about we look at the reliability and consumer reports of one of F150's rivals the Silverado.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/gm_silverado_brakes.html
>>15356946
>>>/facebook/
>>15356953
>muh anecdotal evidence from this website is meaningful
holy fuck, you're contradicting everything you've been arguing against you retarded faggot
>>15356953
>upset he doesn't have friends
Poor wittle boy.
>>15356953
oh and to sound just like you
>57 ratings out of millions sold means they're bad
lol retarded nigger
>>15356956
>no! it doesn't count!!
BTFO!!
>>15356960
>projecting this hard
>>>/facebook/
>>15356962
>complains about Facebook
>you're just projecting
>can't forget muh anime face
>>15356962
You claimed the 30+ ecoboost engines blowing up didn't count, what's the fucking difference? Oh, but it counts because of affirmative action because you're a faggot furry nigger, right?
Shut the fuck up you women
>>15356966
You do realize that this dude samefags his own threads because people don't get mad at his shitposting nearly as bad as they used to, right?
>>15356966
>>15356968
>inb4 assmad gm fangirls and some retarded picture
>>15356961
and yet the f150 still has a higher satisfaction rating ;^)
>>15356964
t. facebookie
>>15356965
What's the difference? There is no difference. It was only an example to show you why you're just a retard.
>>15356968
>samefag
[citation needed]
>>15356973
you get BTFO and banned all the time and magically the majority of the posts get deleted. it's easy to see you're samefagging this shit. nobody is that dedicated to shitposting
>no diference
so that makes you a retard too, except you're still a nigger so that's even worse
>>15356973
>implying there's something wrong with having friends with whom you aren't ashamed to post pictures online
What a sad life you must life always hiding in the shadows.
>>15356982
plenty of shitposting stays, just the shit posted by your IP range gets deleted. you ban evade all the time, so much you can't even post with your retarded anime names anymore without getting banned.
>>15356982
>Facebook is bad but this gay forum where I secretly hide and exchange pictures with old men means I have friend
>I don't use Facebook but I have friends
>you're just projecting
>this assmad you havr no friends
>another thread where mods shitpost and bait people to have an excuse to get them banned
>they do it for free
>poster count keeps going up with every anime reaction face
>changing your IP to avoid bans
kek, if only you were this dedicated to a job
>>15357001
what the fuck does attending college have to do with anything? if you actually had friends you wouldn't always be shitposting the exact same trash on here every day. stop lying
>>15357007
My IP is static. I wonder where all the other IPs are coming from? Surely not some faggot on a phone, right?
>>15357009
>projecting THIS hard
Not everyone is a lonely basement dweller like you.
>>15357012
they aren't coming from me
>>15357014
>lonely basement dweller
>he's always here regardless of the time of day, but i'm the neet
kek, alright angsty teenager
>>15357014
>not coming from me
>post count has gone up 4 times
>>15357022
>makes the i.p count go up
>blames it on others
okay.
>>15357021
>delusional kid tries making himself feel better
Fact of the matter is you're always here because you have no friends and bash on normal social media because nobody wants anything to do with an autistic faggot nigger.
>>15357026
>literally just went to 73 from your post
>i-it's not me!
>>15357027
>more ad hominems because you got btfo
stay mad
>>15357030
>still blaming your actions on others
>>15357033
>calls someone else retarded for cherrypicking yet does the same thing
>y-youre the only one using ad hominems
>btfo
sure thing
holy shit who cares
>>15357033
>cable internet has DHCP IP addresses now
As much as you're on the internet I'm surprised you don't know how IP addresses work.
>>15357040
you cared enough to post
>>15357040
>>15357046
BTFO!
>>15357050
there it is, the picture where you pretend you're not american
>calling someone else asshurt when you take it up the ass
well, i guess you'd be asshurt if you weren't an angsty virgin
>>15357054
>>15357050
BTFO!
>>15357054
>>15357057
>this anal ravaged
>>15357060
>this mad you're gay and can't get laid
i thought all these laws made it easier for faggots
>>15357068
>projecting this hard
even your dad didn't want your asshole
>>15357069
>>15357068
BTFO, again!
>>15357069
>resorts to deflecting
kek
>>15357070
t. summerfag
>>15357073
>this mad you're a virgin faggot
>>15357076
>projecting this hard
>>15357073
>assmad you got BTFO twice in a row
>>15357082
>projecting this hard
>>15357081
>hiding behind your insecurities and posting reaction pictures every response
>not a virgin
if you weren't a virgin, you wouldn't get so triggered that you have to keep responding, faggot
>>15357086
>so BTFO you ran out of insults
>>15357089
nope, fucked your fat mom in the ass for a 12 pack of storebrand orange drink and a blunt wrap last night
>>15357091
>this assmad
>>15357094
>projecting because you just got BTFO again
>>15357092
>>15357094
>>15357099
she said she was your mom, i guess it was because you're 16 and she still gets government bennies for you
>>15357099
>BTFO so hard you have no other insult
>>15357102
>>15357099
kek, BTFO YET AGAIN
>>15357109
>literally can't stop responding you're so upset
>y-youre triggered not me
>>15357109
my apologies, all you people look the same, she was just claiming she had some kid she could get benefits from
>>15357114
>so upset you can't properly type even with spellcheck
>>15357119
>>15357114
ayyy, BTFO
>>15357124
>literally admits to being in college
>calling anyone else a summerfag
be sure to do your reading, wouldn't want you failing yet again
>>15357124
>bootybleeding so much you took extra time to type
>>15357130
t. nigger that's still in school
>gm fangirls so assmad they stopped replying
>>15357156
>he got banned and changed his IP yet again
>>15357160
>so assmad he makes up stories
BTFO!!!
>>15356580
Theres two 3.5 ecoboosts. The one in the F150 and the one in the GT.
The F150 makes a little over 350hp. So, he's not wrong.
>>15357169
>went up again
>making shit up
yeah okay, next reply will be 78 faggot
>>15357175
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/03/ford-gt-engine-shares-
>>15357177
>blames it on others
>>15357182
>gets banned
>poster count magically goes up every time your faggot furry nigger ass posts
>>15357182
>http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/03/ford-gt-engine-shares-
Whats your point here
