Name a single American car that is considered good outside of the U.S. and is not a meme car riding off past success.
> protip, you can't
>>15340903
>inb4 hurtburgers actually respond to this
>>15340903
>>15340924
/thread
Do euros get the CTS-V?
If so, CTS-V
>>15340951
I do hope you're joking. It's actually frightening that GM can pop out shiny bloated shitty retrimmed korean 'chevrolets' that appeal to niggers.
And people buy them.
>>15340924
So... after over a hundred years, millions of cars, millions of workers, and billions of dollars.
America finally manages to make a car that is comparable to European or Japanese cars, but comes from a South-African.
Well done, I guess you weren't happy with how little power you could get out of 'muh v8' so you decided to make a pussy pedal appliance. Instead of a working proper car.
>>15340970
Are you still mad your BMW M5 lost a drag race to a Model S?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHTN0Yi1t4
>>15340976
I'm not saying Tesla's aren't good. I'm actually quite impressed that they managed to make well built electric cars on a large scale with very little experience and only after 10 or so years and a couple of million shekels.
It's just that it took America such a long time, and such a large investment of resources and manufacturing to finally make something not only desirable, but actually an outstanding car. Maybe it's because there was much less of a corporate mentality, and billions of dollars from the average ignorant U.S. dweller weren't on the line.
>>15340962
>niggers
>buying an $80k base price car
pick one
>>15340951
You beat me to it, but yeah. Also, Teslas are majorly gay.
>>15341001
Drugs? Rap 'music'? Stealing other people's shit?
Don't pretend that you're not fully aware of nigger activities mate.
>>15340903
>that is considered good outside of the U.S. and is not a meme car riding off past success.
>meme car riding off past success.
Can you elaborate on what this means? what counts as a "meme car riding off past success"? The mustang is considered a "good car" so is the new corvette. when i look up European reviews and other reviews people like it. do those not count because they are long running names? what about the GTR? is that a meme-car riding off past success because its a long running name? are you looking for a car that has no name shared with anything from the 50s 60s and 70s or in general a car that has no old-currently-in-running name?
Do the people who like the cars i just listed not count? or is this mainly just to impress you and what you personally like?
>>15340962
The CTS isn't related to anything korean or chevrolet. the platform was designed by Cadillac themselves and GM used it to make the new sixth gen Camaro. also people (reviewers) seem to be saying positive things about them.
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/cadillac/v-62-4dr-auto/first-drive
>CTS-V
http://www.motortrend.com/news/comparison-audi-s6-4-0t-quattro-vs-cadillac-cts-v-sport-vs-lexus-gs-f/
>CTS
although if you have reviews that disagree do show them i'm interested in conflicted opinions.
Isn't the Ford Focus really popular in Europe?
>>15341024
Pretty sure theirs is developed in Europe for the European market so bit of a stretch tbqh
>>15341024
That's an almost entirely German designed and built car. The only American things is the badge and 1 or 2 engines that have been available.
>>15340962
yes we can buy them and normal and smart yuropean people like me buys them and in generaly we love american cars, all the hate is coming from the poor people with golfs, twingos and japan shit
>>15341019
Mustang's can be good looking, (really old, and really new ones, e.g. 80's 'stangs are hideous), obviously have probably the best promotion and marketing for them (see: countless movies, tv, the appeal of stereotypical american things contrasted to boring european efficiency and regulations etc), and would be fun to drive if you've never experienced American cars, and you get to drive something like a shelby v8 mustang with a shitton of performance parts.
But those usually are U.S. only, and ridiculously expensive. Really in general, Mustangs are great if you get the top of the range one as a hire car, but for the rest of the time, a v6 auto mustang from 200x is really just a surprisingly slow, bloated, badly built meme car. There are reviews (top gear, others) saying how unrefined, cheaply made, and even poorly built American cars (especially the budget performance cars) really are. The appeal is lost when they suddenly need to have an air of practicality or fuel efficieny or reliability.
I'm sorry to push the buttons of every America car enthusiast who will likely be butthurt and scream about how American cars 'are getting better' and how 'german cars are over engineered CRAP, Japanese cars are fucking SHIT and GAY'. But they just can't accept that America's cars are just overrated, and don't live up to the standards set by the American auto industry of decades gone past, and foreign competitors.
My understanding with American cars like the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, ect is that in Europe they're rather uncommon because of all the taxes levied upon them so when you see one in Europe it's pretty special and neat kind of like how we see Supras and Skylines in America.
is this true? I know I've talked to guys who work with classic American cars who talk about how you can almost double what you'd get in the states for a 60's Mustang by exporting it to Europe.
>>15341064
>Top trim = good, else is shit
Applies to every car? You're telling me a Europeans just make beautiful cars at every level? A BMW 325i is some masterpiece of engineering at every level? Fuck no, and an M3 nowadays is hardly justifiable as a performance model.
>Standards set years ago
Which the German cars are not living up to themselves either.
New noteworthy US cars: Fiesta ST, Focus RS, Shelby GT350R, Camaro SS, Chevy SS, CTS-V
>>15341064
American cars are past the point of "getting better," and if anything, they're underrated.
>>15341104
i think what he is saying is that top model "Good" but you cannot see how anyone would buy models under it since top model is barely good
>>15341104
expect 2 of 6 of those models are designed and built by ford europe
Dollar for dollar, just about every American sports car is better than what Europe is producing now.
Ford F series
>>15341072
Not sure about Europe but I'm in Korea right now and on average day I see more ferraris than proper american cars (not rebadged daewoos)
>>15340976
Good luck catching anyone when your car's battery dies off too much strain, fags.
Must suck living in an undeveloped nation like Australia or Europe
>>15341234
BIG GRILLZ FOR BIG THRILZ
>>15340903
The only American manufacturer I would ever buy from is Ford. The only European manufacturer I would buy from is Audi. I would buy from just about any Japanese manufacturer.
The rest are trash through and through.
Ford Fiesta seems to do very well in Yurop. IIRC Clarkson liked it on a Top Gear episode.
>>15340924
Yup. the only correct answer.
>>15341481
Those are made by Ford Europe
>>15341203
>Ford Europe
Do you not see "Ford" in the name? Ford is an American company.
>>15341485
>made by Ford Europe
So? Toyota Corollas aren't American just because they are made in America you dumbass.
>>15341491
Ford Europe is German
>>15341497
designed devoloped and built in Europe
sure is American
>>15341499
Owned by Ford America, the parent company, which is American. You can argue semantics all you want but that doesn't change the fact that Ford isn't a non-American company.
You just can't accept it.
>>15341507
Ford Europe isnt american
you can keep being retarded if you want
>>15341511
>Ford isn't American
This is literally what you're saying. You're delusional.
Seek help, because I certainly can't help you. Later, fool
>>15341514
the "I have no idea what Im talking about so Ill leave tactic"
I suggest googling Ford Europe one of these days
>>15340903
Does pic related count senpai?
>>15340903
This little faggot here
>>15340951
The CTS isn't good. It's passable, but the quality of the car is hardly balanced out by the numbers GM fanboys like to throw around.
>>15341205
>burgers actually believe this
>>15340903
The ford fusion /mondeo. Inb4 normie car. You eurocucks love these fucking things
>>15342895
designed in britain, built in europe.
>>15342905
A lot of our trucks are considered top-tier, but that's pretty much it.
>>15341064
I did some work for a company that restored 66-70 mustangs and shipped them to Japan.
Japanese laws are very strict, they had to be certified "factory restorations", down to having the speedos reset to zero.
Dude made bank though.
>>15344318
*65-70
I get suck there because I have multiple 66's
64 1/2 is not a model, its a mid year release (that's common nowadays but was unheard of then)
>>15340903
Mustang, Camaro. Benchracing aside both offer affordable (except for EU, where dangerous assault engines are taxed to hell and back) performance.
They're bringing Mustangs to Australia now too. All the preordered ones are sold out and they're scrambling for parts for more RHD models.
>meme car
Arbitrary term.
>>15340903
this
Only Murcia has real vans
>>15340903
we never think of you OP
>>15342942
Still a Ford :^)
>ctrl+f viper
>0
wat
If the new mustang was called something else it would still be good.
Isn't it the best selling sports car in Germany at this point?
>>15340903
GM Master Race
gt40 replicas
>>15340903
>>15340996
>>15341064
You could have just asked 'are there good american cars?'
instead you've asked about american cars which fall under an increasingly narrow and vague scope for no particular reason.
Yes, there are good american cars. There are also crappy ones. They really aren't that much different from the euros and the japs in the broad spectrum except that they're sometimes less fuel efficient. I think ford ecoboost is on the way to changing all that.
A real point you could make here would be that american manufacturers only offload crap in europe and elsewhere around the world. That may well be the case - as I understand it, californians are fairly upset that they get crappy versions of the cars everyone else enjoys because the emissions compliance is slapped on at the end. Wouldn't surprise me if it's even worse in europe.
It would be much easier to see this point if you would calm down and take break on the buzzwords.
>>15342945
Fucking gross.
>>15347339
>>15341511
>Mercedes-Benz US isn't German, it's obviously American!!
That's how fucking stupid you sound.
>>15347660
>being realistic AND using logic
Get the fuck off my board, you piece of shit.
>>15341234
OP said no memes
>>15347339
Kek
>>15347660
"'Increasigly narrow and vague scope"
Basically, if it's not considered good outside America, then it's purely because the seppo's who think it's good are delusional, and have resorted to "muh domestic" pride, failing to realise that American manufacturers are not the car gods they think they are.
>>15347660
This was a deliberate shitpost btw. I wanted to stir shit up because I was bored, why would I ask something like this and actually expect reasonable people to calmy discuss and respect other opinions when the thread is founded on the most obvious bait apart from the fucking corvette/GTR meme.
>>15347956
MB US cars arent designed and made in US
Why does OP drive such a shitty car?
>>15347956
Calm your tits mate. This is actually bait.
But i will answer that seriously. The problem with American cars is not always design, (even though the focus and Fiesta are designed by GERMANS and British in Europe, whereas the Merceds is just BUILT in America. They are not the same thing) it's the quality of materials and build. Workers are never doing the same thing long enough to get experienced, management is changed around to keep people happy, and they often do cleansheet designs from scratch without perfecting old ones. Hence, everything feels like a draft, because there is no knowledge gained from perfecting things over time. In Japanese toyota factories, the workers are almost life-dedicated to utmost quality, and they perfect the same skill over 30 or 40 years. They work on the model of continual improvement, while Americans keep going back to the drawing board every year or new model, which is only good for cars that are disastrously bad in every way.
>>15349967
Not mine. I drive a god-tier e36.
>>15346970
One off with fuck all production. And guess what, Americans love to gush about how it is "the best and fastest and coolest pickup ever", when the Australians have been better at it for 30 years.
Pic related, even though it's not a pickup, it's a sedan with a tray. or a UTE
>>15342926
I travel to the USA a lot for work and always try to rent these because they are quite a nice car. Don't see too many on the roads though. Not sure if they're just being targeted more as a fleet vehicle or because it isn't a truck.
If I wanted a normie car I'd give the Mondeo a serious thought.
>>15347073
So... an SS-commodore with a chevrolet badge on it is 'still an American Chevy', even though it's entirely Australian designed and built on an Australian developed platform that's used in the Camaro and some Cadillacs/? That;s how retarded you sound. You're like one of those fags who would buy a riced out pt-cruiser with flood damage, but it's sold as new with a Ferrari badge on it so you eat that shit up like a normie.
>>15347339
I've even seen these in South Africa
I guess GM does have the most global influence next to Ford
>>15340962
that goal post moving
>>15349987
Not the same person but are still wrong.
Ford Motor Company owns and oversees Ford of Europe.
That means it is still an American company regardless of what you think or say.
Just because toyota designed, manufatured and sold the Tundra only in the states doesnt mean its an American truck.
>>15349996
I love the handling and the m/s5x but bmw really fucked up interior build quality in the 90s.
>>15350040
Does Chevy own the commodore rights?
That makes it an American owned company.
Pretty sure that makes it an American car.
>>15350656
I have never seen these in SA
Where did you see them? I'm in sandton
The only decent ones are made by Ford Europe.
American cars are amazing. Vehicles like Corvette, Mustang, Charger, they all represent individuality and freedom. I fucking WISH we had cars like that in Europe
HEARTBEAT OF AMERICA
>>15351621
Whether or not this is sarcastic, Americans got the best deal with cars, cheap-ass power (and overall decent cars as of late) that are actually affordable to own and run.
ford trucks and teslas
>>15340903
mustang, look up the sales numbers for the new 5.0 in yurop
>>15342926
ford mondeo was a european car long before it was sold in the US
>>15347339
Now that's a real car
>>15352619
real shit
>>15352606
>and is not a meme car riding off past success.
>>15352629
>no! it doesn't count!
BTFO!!!
>>15341507
designed and built by europeans for europeans.
>>15340903
Jeep CJ.
seriously. the only place in yurop where i saw multiple american cars at the same time was an off-road trail.
>>15349987
So the Toyota Venza is an "American Car" because it was designed and built in America?
>>15352690
yes. the same goes for, say, Hyundai Sonata.
>>15352708
nigga you dumb
>>15352645
>n-no it doesn't count because
Jesus christ, the deluded yurocucks on here need to be IP banned
>>15352726
technicalities aside, cars designed for america have a different feel to them than cars designed for the rest of the world.
everything is bigger, interior is cheaper, suspension is soft, design is bland, manual option non-existent.
>>15352747
>interior is cheaper
I hear this all the time, what exactly makes an interior "cheaper"?
>>15352747
Nigga I don't give a fuck about anything I just want to drive an old school Cadillac or something similar, I love how those cars look like.
>>15352776
Entering a 20 years old car after a day in the sun and STILL choking on fumes emitting from the low quality dashboard plastics. Regardless of age, fuming plastics in the sun is something all American cars have in common, it's what gives them that American car smell.
>>15352802
>Regardless of age, fuming plastics in the sun is something all American cars have in common, it's what gives them that American car smell.
I live in TX where it is both very hot and very sunny and have never experienced this from any of my American vehicles.
>>15352822
Breathe small American vehicles to build up a tolerance to larger American vehicles.
>>15352776
Not that guy buy im sure he means the materials themselves, and the quality and fitment of the assembly and design
>>15352802
>>15352822
I think most plastic interiors will do this to a degree, but any old cheap hard touch 90s interior will do that, my old f150 does, but my 7 series just smells like leather after being in the sun all day, and my new hyundai smells like new car so i guess just glue smell
This is a Chevrolet Onix.
It was developed and built on Brazil.
it's an 1.0 (or 1.4) shitbox that as far as I know, isn't sold anywhere else in the wolrd.
Do americans consider this a true american car?
>yfw this is a true american car
>>15340970
Do you know you are fucking degenerate urninal faced racists? In fact where are you gonna end with your life with such a mind?
>>15342895
I like how you called it. So cute.
I used to see quite a few of those here.
>>15353322
Yea I've seen a couple of them in the UK too, and that's despite them getting literally the worst crash test rating of it's class
>>15353202
>tfw when it's actually a suzuki
Ford Escort Cosworth
Ford RS200
Ford GT
Dodge Viper ACR
Snek is best!
>>15353420
It's actually a Daewoo.
>>15340903
Both the new mustang and Camaro are good based solely on their merits desu.
And we must be doing something right because the largest American car show is in Europe.
The real question is has Australia ever made a good car that wasn't just riding the coattails or copying an american car
>>15353202
no, but it is a truly awful car
>>15353432
>Ford Escort Cosworth
developed by europeans
>Ford RS200
developed by europeans
>Ford GT
developed by europeans
>Dodge Viper ACR
Owned by FIAT
>>15353322
this thing is huge inside.
had an optional manual and fiat turbodiesel.
>>15353543
Holden Monaro
>>15341064
>a v6 auto mustang from 200x is really just a surprisingly slow, bloated, badly built meme car
No fucking shit you delusional fuck. No one is claiming that a base model automatic v6 mustang from the last decade is a great car. You're cherrypicking so hard it's pathetic. There are plenty examples of Mustangs being absolutely phenomenal performance cars and for you to say
>yeah but the shitty old v6 one isn't that good
Completely defies logic
>>15350036
Me and my gf went to St. Louis from Dallas, and during the 12 hour drive (including stops) I counted a total of 85 Fusions along the way. Almost as much as Accords now.
>>15352645
>implying
Your vaunted ford mondeo was designed by a guy from Oklahoma. His name is J Mays, and he oversaw the development of every ford from the mondeo to the jaguar f type.
Who is your design god now?
>muh euro design superiority
Every ford brand design (American and euro, and that means all brands ford owns or owned a controlling interest in, including Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo) has come from the direction and needed to earn the approval of J Mays since 1997. So you can take your euro design elitism and shove it up your own ass. Mays oversaw design on the f type, the Ford mondeo, the new focus the new Fiesta, the new mustang, the land Rover Discovery redesign in 2008, the jaguar f type, fucking everything.
How does it feel to know the greatest commercial accomplishments for British cars in the past ten years has come on the back of ford, aka your American overlords, and an Oklahoman?
Eat shit, Eurocucks.
>>15354265
>Developed by..
>Owned by..
>Both of these making them non-American
Literally pick one. You shouldn't contradict yourself in such a short post, it's too obvious and makes you look a simpleton.
>>15340903
> Thread about American cars
> Posts Australian car
>>15357653
i think the joke is a lot of Americans think the Monaro is one of the great modern American cars when it was being sold in Australia back in 2001
>>15340924
>American icon car
>abandon the only true American icon--the V8
The irony...
American car is now known as ecoboost pussy little shit
>>15350728
>yfw you bought a '95 323ti without doing a research on the interiors just to find out it's exactly the same one they put into E30s since 1982
It's basic but functional. But in summer you WILL get the classic 90s plastic smell and rattle.
>>15340924
only valid answer
>>15352612
Yes. But the past 2 gens have been USDM fusions.
Cuz American cars are big, we have and wide big roads, most of the world doesn't have roads as big as ours, so I can see why murican cars dont do so well outside murica
>>15354265
Jesus the goalposts have claimed life of their own.
Stingray
>Tfw strayacucks have no real car companies
>tfw affordable cars are plentiful, gas is cheap, and the government doesnt jew you to keep your car on the road(commiefornia aside)
>tfw no p plates or other restrictions on cars and motorycles
Feels good to be an american
Ruski here
Buicks, Lincolns, and Cadillacs are immensely popular here. People view them in a similar manner to European luxury cars, and some view them more highly for some reason.
>>15358746
>Dat redhawk
>Dem LV bags
unf
I want dat boipussi
>>15340970
The M3 was created because of a French/Brazilian guy, but it's still a German car.
>>15358746
>25 years to import a car
how can anyone be this cucked
>>15358840
>Having 19 year old cars banned
Holy fucking cucked
>>15358890
>living in a city
>>15358890
>everywhere that isn't america is paris
you honestly aren't this fucking stupid are you?
>>15350711
It's not about who owns it or has their name on it. It's who makes and designs it. I know it's an American company, but that doesn't mean it's products that are homegrown should be fully attributed to another country just because the company is American.
In reality, companies don't have nationalities, or national loyalties. They have countries of origin, where they're headquartered or mainly based. The big 3 of America often promote their association with the country, because it undeniably get massive sales. If ford was banned and removed from the U.S. for some reason, they would pick a country, and decide to use that as their new base. Then they would try and sell it with a different badge.
Your point about it being owned by Americans is irrelevant, because it only matter to normies, and your example is wrong. The tundra is not considered American because of it's badge, but in the discussion of a country's actual role in the design and creation of a car, the company owning it doesn't matter, because it's clear that the only good cars are ones that had a considerable degree of involvement from another country. If all the cars that are American only are garbage, then it shows that the Americans are clearly the problem, and not the reason for any success of cars made possible by U.S. involvement.
I'm OP btw.
>>15358746
The reason we have no companies, and partially why we have progressively ceased manufacturing, is because we don't have enough people and money to sustain our auto industry. How many bailouts, recessions, closures and handouts has the auto industry of America had? What about the times when GM closed Pontiac and Oldsmobile because of shekels? What about the tantrums thrown when Japanese cars came in the 60's/70's and caused riots, mass unemployment, and the creation of a nigger infested cesspool that Detroit has become.
Why is it, that as soon as oil becomes scarce, or American kike bankers screw up, or competition is introduced, your car makers go belly up, close/cancel most of their plans, and require millions and billions from the government to keep going?
The problem is America's self-obsession and delusional arrogance. Ever noticed how America's best selling cars have domestic badges, and the rest of the world buys indiscriminately, even if they have their own auto giants? How America has to put their own badge on cars before they can sell them at home (see holdens, opels, daewoos, vauxhalls sold as chevrolet, pontiac etc), how competition is cut wherever possible (foreign cars that are clearly better than American equivalents are suppressed. See the bans of skylines/silvias, chicken tax, limited runs of commodores and utes sold in America)?
Face it. Your automotive industry is shit. You can't make a decent car anymore, and have only been able to pop out a couple of good ones over 100 years and billions of cars made. You are a delusional, nationalist, cuck. You try to justify the shortcomings of your cars by pointing to only American reviews, and situations where American cars had the advantage of a badge or artificially lower price than competitors.
Why do you this?
>>15362518
>America's best selling cars have domestic badges, and the rest of the world buys indiscriminately, even if they have their own auto giants?
this is straight up untrue, on all counts. other countries buy their own cars way more frequently than cars from other countries, and the best-selling cars here are very frequently not american.
i'm not disagreeing with everything you say - or at least i wouldn't have 5-10 years ago - but you're making at least some of this up.
>>15346970
This
Daily reminder that the assembly line was invented by Ford, so unless your Europoor car was made prior to the industrial revolution, it's actually an American car
>>15363059
wrong nigger, the assembly line was simply implemented by Ford
>>15363063
?????
>>15363066
btfo
These fuckers with the 3 litre V6 turbo diesel engine are very well liked.
I would know because I'm driving one right now. I reckon it's basically a Dodge Magnum with a 300 face and an engine the US never got so in theory it's not an "US" car.
>>15362518
They sold Daewoos here in the '90s and they were awful. If the Aveo had actually been sold here as a Matiz, they would have had to give them away.
Silvias and Skylines are "banned" because they don't meet federal crash protection standards, not because they are "better". Silvias are just 240SX in the US anyway.
>How many bailouts, recessions, closures and handouts has the auto industry of America had?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States
wow it's like we've been doing this shit for a hundred years or something
>>15363059
>prior to the industrial revolution
kek m8 they didnt have cars in the 1700's dont be silly
>>15363066
http://robohub.org/the-evolution-of-assembly-lines-a-brief-history/
http://jalopnik.com/5412420/henry-ford-did-not-invent-the-assembly-line
yes yes, i know, >jalopnik, but still, it was invented by oldsmobile
>>15363068
see >>15363079
also, lets not forget we are talking about the car assembly line, the concepot of the assmebly line is much older
>>15363079
>jalopnik
>>15341203
the camaro SS is actually a reskinned australian car, the holden SS.
>>15363082
yes, they are huge faggots, but thats irrelevant
>>15350729
They are made in Straya and shipped over to you guys in LHD. No way is it an American car.
>>15362518
I know what you mean mate, but to be honest that leaves me wondering how does Sweden maintain no less than 2 native car manufacturers on their soil with half the population?
Volvo seems to be making some excellent cars for export these days, but it seems we could only manage the commodore.
>>15350729
>>15363165
If he's right, does this make Dodge Viper an Italian Sportscar and the Jeep Wrangler an iconic Italian offroader?
>>15352668
jeeps are fucking shit
>>15363184
lol, this.
That retard's view is retarded.
>>15341104
Chevy SS is an Aussie Holden commodore. Mate
>>15341019
>>15340903
>>15340922
What the fuck? I swear i saw this exact thread with these exact responses like a week ago, we were arguing about R33s
What is this bullshit pasta
The Corvette is considered a good car in Germany, actually. They call her the "proof that Americans CAN build sports cars."
>outside of the U.S
might as well be fucking mars
>tfw glorious American V8 muscle car
>>15344318
Mind elaborating on this? I've never heard of certified factory restorations for cars. Sounds pretty cool.
Pic unrelated.
>>15350009
with an american engine DUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH
>>15341234
it does man
>>15358194
which made the mondeo pretty bad, the previous mondeo was amazing, but this time they brought the fusion to europe and it sucks really bad
>>15342926
>built in spain
>designed in europe as the Mondeo
>>15358840
Blame Mercedes for that
Buicks are the top-tier cars in China.
>China is Buick's largest market, selling more there than the United States. In 2014, General Motors sold over 900,000 Buicks in China, more than four times what they sold in the United States.[49] In pre-World War II China, one in five cars was a Buick[50] Buick is a leading vehicle brand in China.[51]
>>15363072
>Silvias and Skylines are "banned" because they don't meet federal crash protection standards, not because they are "better".
Also you can also blame Mercedes for the ban as well. Technically eurocucks were the reason for this happening and got butthurt and had to have it their way.
>>15341019
The Zeta platform was a gift from the automotive gods. Finally enjoy full size sedans with amazing handling that just run away from euroboxes.
![CHRYSLER-PT-Cruiser-Convertible-2177_11[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NifSKYI.jpg "CHRYSLER-PT-Cruiser-Convertible-2177_11[1].jpg")
>>15363415
You probably did, it happens on almost every board.
Entire threads are saved and reposted by bots.
The subject is usually some type of divide on conquer bullshit, with the bots playing both sides.
Its been happening for quite some time.
>>15344434
>dangerous assault engines
lol
>>15347024
This is true. Love Burger vans.
>>15341230
You dumb fuck
Police cruisers spend most of their time idling at a lookout, and an all-electric drivetrain is ideal for this, while still retaining enough power to chase
Shitty bait, made me reply
