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A thread for our beloved econobox pocket rockets. Talk experiences, ask for advice and questions and generally shitpost about the Fiesta ST.
>'Back from Le Mans' edition
Of the two hot hatches on display out there - the Focus RS and the Civic Type-R - which do you prefer
>What is a "Hot Hatch"?
A Hot Hatch is a manufacturer produced, performance oriented variant of a standard hatchback, designed for improved handling, increased top speed, acceleration and generally enhance the driving experience.
>Are all Hot Hatches FWD?
No. Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are AWD or even RWD.
>Isn't FWD shit?
No. Just because you can't get the arse out by stamping on the accelerator doesn't mean you can't have fun.
>Aren't Hot Hatches just for Europoors?
No; with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST to joining the MS3 and Abarth in the US, it seems like the Hot Hatch is beginning to take off on the other side of the Atlantic, but Europoors definitely have more choice.
>Is the Fiesta ST actually good?
The Fiesta ST is one of the best small hot hatches on offer at the minute; so yeah they're pretty good.
Anyone keeping up with WRC 2016?
>>15306137
I just can't watch rally. It's one car driving fast on a road, there's no element of competition. Must be mad fun to do though
How are the $5K hot hatch suggestions in the OP? I doubt a CRX is really feasible by this point.
>FF
>>15305993
More ST's please
>>15306236
Not really sure what the US market has to offer outside of Hondas. Neon SRT4, Focus SVT?
>>15306260
>>15306260
Thinking of buying a FiST, but I don't really like any of the 5 colours they offer here on it. Wondering if I can get it in one of the standard Fiesta colours instead. Also I drove one expecting amazing things, but it wasn't everything /o/ has hyped it up to be. Good fun, don't get me wrong but it was lacking a bit of that something my Clio had.
>>15306260
Our car roster for Le Mans; two FiSTs, a diesel Zetec and a Micra SR. Our RX8 didn't make it past Calais
>>15306337
Are you American? We've had Fiestas over in Europe for ages and while they're not bad cars, they're boring FWD commuter cars, 'performance' models included, and they always have been. Not surprised the new one is the same.
>>15305993
I have a question not covered in the first post.
What if someone has a coupe or sedan version of a car with an actual hot hatch variant. Like say an EM2 or ES1 Honda Civic (Hot hatch variant was the EP3).
>>15306295
American sport compacts under 5k:
Dodge Neon SRT4 (2003-2005, sedan)
Honda Civic Si (2002-2005, hatchback. Basically a 160 HP EP3)
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged (2005-2007, coupe)
Saturn Ion Redline (2004-2007, 4 door coupe)
Ford Focus SVT (2002-2004, 2 door or 4 door hatchback)
Nissan Sentra SE-R (2002-2006, sedan)
Volkswagen Golf GTI (1999.5-2005, 2 or 4 door hatchback)
Volkswagen Jetta GLI (1999.5-2005, sedan)
Volkswagen New Beetle Turbo (1999-2005, hatchback)
Acura RSX Type S (2002-2006, hatchback. Literally a DC5 Integra Type R)
And that's just including 2000+ cars. If you go back through the 80's the list gets a lot longer, mainly thanks to Chrysler's turbo K-cars.
>>15306459
They would be welcome here, sure.
>>15306371
>>15306260
Ayyy
>>15306337
It's a ton of fun stock but becomes even more manic once you start modifying it.
>>15306180
what do you mean theres no competition?
you're racing against other drivers, and other manafacturers. you're car needs to endure more abuse then a typical circuit race, and you race on all types of road surfaces and weather condition (snow, rain, dry etc), not just a smooth tarmac curcuit.
plus some stages can be new/different (though not every event/stage is different then previous years)
a stage will have more variety in the types of corners then a curcuit race going around the same thing.
Hung up between a 2015 WRX or MK7 GTI.
>Better performance with an econoshit interior
>Slightly less good performance with an awesome interior
>>15305993
My fn2's wheels are curbed
Live in northern CA Looking at buying a Fiesta ST on or before 4th of July weekend,
What price should I aim for out the door on a fist with no add ons?
Might drive out of state to get one
>>15306767
If it's your DD, or you plan on taking it on trips, Golf. If it's your weekend hoon car, WRX.
>>15306728
I know they're competing, but it's not the same as watching cars physically fight for track space and race position right in front of your eyes. If they did rally cross on full rally tracks, that'd be the shit.
>>15306799
Base Fiesta with no options you should be able to get one OTD for under $20k, it's hard to get it for much less considering the used ones are holding value so well.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/667805149/overview/
A lot of people buy from Koon's because it's so cheap, you might be able to get an Out-the-Door (taxes, titling, fees included) quote from their internet sales guy and then shop that one around your local dealers to see if they'll match.
>>15306818
I think the absolute lowest OTD price I've seen on the ST is around $18.5k or so just for reference.
>>15306799
With correct shopping and rebates, under 20k for a new one. I got mine in November of last year right after thanksgiving. 2015 model, end of model year+ thanksgiving sale+ rebates and I was out the door in a base model for 18.5k
>>15306842
Haaaaaah what up instant
>>15306868
Sup dude, how's the Fiesta doing?
I need to brakes and brake fluid on mine pretty soon.
>>15306877
welp. everything is fine except for my front right tire. picked up a nail in the outer tread right next to the sidewall and these tires are too low profile for me to repair it. new tire should arrive today then I get to experience the joy of mounting and balancing. I also ordered my accessport last night, so I'm pretty excited for that.
>>15307045
Nice dude, I got a nail 2 days after getting my new tires mounted/balanced. I was so incredibly pissed, and it was very close to being irreparable but I lucked out.
Congrats on the AP, I'd recommend tuning from Tune+ if you're going to get custom tuned.
>>15307058
awesome thanks for the tip
i dont know what it is, but it seems to me that in the last few months tune+ has gained a ton of popularity.
>>15307146
Adam was popular when he was tuning for MAP (he also owned a Fiesta for a bit so that was cool), but he really took off when he started tuning the EcoBoost Mustang's. He tuned my car almost a year ago (E30, 93, 91, Economy tune) and I'll probably have him do my aftermarket turbo tune as well (whenever that finally happens).
I forgot my trip here. :( >>15307058
Nice, a friendly hot hatch thread.
Fiestas look great, I bet the new 200hp version with a remap is fun as fuck.
This is my DD
>>15307745
Nice R, how much did that rob you? What's it like compared to the other top flight hot hatches?
>TFW you are in France and the only waste produced by your engine is baguettes.
>>15308032
I leased this one. Sold my R32 (pic related, took that as I accepted the money and walked away), leased this and bought a house so wasnt the best time to buy. I pay around £280 a month.
It is great. The interior just feels better than stuff like the Focus ST and it is faster. Compared to the S3 the drive is pretty much the same but the R comes with a lot more as standard and its cheaper.
Can have fun in it and yet I can get 40mpg on the motorway.
>FWD
>>15308218
Yawn
Are Imprezas considered 'hot' or just regular hatch
>you will never get a good retrofit option for HIDs in your fist
burgerland a shit
>>15309540
regular unless you did some crazy subaru lego swap mods
>>15308064
top kek
I'm split between wanting the Fiesta ST and a base WRX. I haven't gone for a test drive yet but I'm leaning toward the ST simply because I'll be able to get it for quite a bit cheaper, although the WRX is really appealing too. I'm in Canuckistan so both cars are up passed 30k after taxes and shit (before any bargaining though).
>>15311219
fiesta will feel significantly smaller. less power, more nimble feeling, and cheaper after market.
wrx base is obviously lacking in the accessories, and imo it's kinda worth the next level upgrade if you can get it for near invoice, but I imagine that's out of your price range. the main thing that bothers me about the base is no fogs. I'm sure awd would be nice for winters, but the fwd isn't terrible either. follow your heart fag
so there's literally been 0 mention of a '17 model year fiesta st huh?
>>15311236
The next trim level of the WRX mostly gets you nicer lights and I'm planning on replacing pretty much all of the lighting for around $1k probably, so cheaper than getting the next trim level, also don't care for a moon roof.
Is it worth going with the mounttune 215 package or just wait a little while to make sure the car isn't a lemon before going with the next one up and losing most of the warranty?
>>15311243
Well they are developing the '18 model year for early/mid '17 I think so it'll probably just be a rename with some really minor safety improvements that nobody ever notices
>>15311247
i could be in the market by this time next year, so things are starting to seem kind of awkward.
Hatches are chicks cars.
Hand in your man card
>>15311253
>on a cambodian underwater finger painting forum
>the authority on masculinity
alright bro
![2018-Ford-Fiesta-ST-spy-photo-101-876x535[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ozEIuaL.jpg "2018-Ford-Fiesta-ST-spy-photo-101-876x535[1].jpg")
>>15311251
Yeah, even though I want to buy this year the Fiesta ST will have the new model out sometime next year and the WRX is likely to have a new design next year or the year after, especially since the 2017 WRX is literally exactly the same other than some upper trim options being available on the lower trims now
>>15311243
The ST200s are out for order over here.
How much fun can be had in a regular, non-ST Fiesta?
>>15312173
Lots. I had a 1.25 before my ST, and you can still have fun in it. It handled brilliant on the twisty roads, just lacked a bit of power.
>>15312173
Also, while I'm asking
Is a regular Fiesta the best handling non-hot hatch you can get in the states?
I'm a poor fag and want something that lets me pretend I have a hot hatch until I graduate school
>>15312220
Mazda 2 is probably worth a shout
>>15312220
It's very fun and nimble, not sure about best handling with the rear torsion beam, but it makes it work. The Focus is also supposed to be excellent, and the base version might be slightly more comfy than the base Fiesta.
>>15311260
Yeah the refresh is supposed to happen soon.
>>15311247
I personally don't care much for the MP215 package, you don't really get much and you're probably going to want more power after installing. But it is excellent if you're really worried about your warranty and want a little more than what''s given to you stock, it's not awful.
My biggest complaint is it's a one time use only product, you can't ever resell it or include it in a part out, and it's prohibitively expensive. I would get custom tuned after a few thousand miles making sure you don't have a lemon.
>>15312158
I want those damn 4.06:1 gears to put in mine the same time I do a mechanical LSD.
>>15312236
I do sort of thing I want the ST200
>>15312236
What about the other Mountune upgrade? the MR230?
>>15312236
How has reliability been so far? I haven't really seen any issues other than some hose clamp issues that all ecoboosts seem to have and the obvious rattles for a car of this price point.
Can anyone recommend a good winter dd? Something happy plowing through snow and salt that won't rust out in a year. I've been leaning toward a Mazda3.
>>15314683
It's fine, but I'd recommend getting a custom tune. Mountune's in-house tuner Randy is supposed to be excellent, and I believe you get his tuning services with the purchase of a Cobb AP through Mountune USA (if I recall).
There parts are high quality, I use their RMM and their front splitter. Their intercooler is a bit small for the aftermarket options, but still does a better job than stock.
>>15314740
I've had no issues with the '15 and I'm custom tuned with most bolt ons. I've only had to change the oil, and the tires were getting worn around 15k miles. Everything I've read about the '14 and '15 has been rock solid, I think the '16 might have an issue with the AC Condenser and has a few other minor differences from the previous years.
Currently sitting around 23k miles and I'm doing the brakes next.
>>15314896
Thanks for the answers m8.
Have you noticed any brake fade or really accelerated brake wear from the "torque vectoring"? If I really wanted to I could only disable that by turning off the ABS right?
>>15314908
Not really, the stock brakes are really good enough for the car (most autocrossers are sticking with the MotorCraft Fiesta ST pads since they are so good, over Hawk HPS 5.0 or similar). I honestly don't really notice the brake torque vectoring all that much driving it around town, and you can turn off/put into sport mode the stability control (which is what's really noticeable).
Changing the brakes/fluid at around 25,000 miles seems pretty reasonable for brake wear, and I don't drive it gently.
>>15314927
That sounds like a pleasant surprise, hopefully I'll be able to do a test drive next week and go from there. I've noticed pretty much all of the STs around my area were manufactured around August of last year so hopefully I can haggle the dealerships down a decent amount.
Any other GTI fags here or is it just FiST and FoST guys?
>>15315125
Got a Leon Cupra R essentialy a rebadged faster gti made by some cunt called pedro
>>15315138
Never heard of it, I'm guessing it's a Europe only kinda deal. What year? Do you like it?
>>15315157
Its a SEAT, spanish company owned by VW/Audi, mine is a 2005 plate. Its pretty damn good for what I paid for it, easy to find the parts as they are almost identical under the skin barring the extra 40bhp, more room inside.
>>15315125
I've got a mkvi. I like it.
Who here /ep3/? Is it preferable to the Celica GTS for DD and will it be fun to mod? I found one for dirt cheap at 255,000 miles on it
Anyone else on /o/ fall for the wrx/sti hatch meme?
:3c
Is this considered a hot hatch or a SUV?
>>15317669
Hot Hatch. It's mostly Clio RS underneath.
>>15315125
>>15315274
My fellow GTI bros
>>15317669
It's considered retarded
Are there any hatches better then BMW E36 318ti's?
Nope.
RWD, Light, comfy, old school bmw before they got pigfat, legendary fun, RWD.
Best hatch period.
>Pic related, 318ti masterrace
>>15317959
>>15315125
>>15315274
Reppin' the veedubs...
>>15318090
>>15317959
can the 1.8t's join?
>>15307745
>>15318323
that can't be right.
>>15318026
aren't some of the models not hatches?
>>15318163
You can tag along little brother.
>>15318392
All the E36 and E46 Ti cars were hatchbacks.
>>15308064
I've just noticed this, what the fuck were you drinking when you put that GB sticker on?
>>15318442
We stuck it to the bumper as normal originally, but it came off after 30 minutes and wasn't sticky any more, so we duct taped it to the plastic so the adhesive wouldn't remain on the paint.
>>15318614
Well, you are forgiven. Gotta look after that paint you'see.
>>15318090
Nice, someone who hasn't curbed the shit out of their Detroits. That list doesnt include me unfortunately.
>>15318026
That's a lift back coupe.
So, I'm torn between buying a used Twingo 133 as a daily and a used Cayman S as a weekend car, or getting a single new hot hatch, like a Megane Trophy or Civic Type-R to suit both purposes in one. What do?
>>15319392
Civic Type R
Hot hatches are the ultimate compromise vehicles
Literally why would you buy a Fiesta instead of a Mustang unless you were poor or your wife didn't think the Mustang would be "safe" or have enough room for her and her son
>>15317346
I'd love to, but I'm poor and I heard they understeer like fuck
>>15319459
Personally, I wanted a light vehicle with four doors for convenience. I wanted good gas mileage, a reliable daily, something that I could park conveniently but still shred on the back roads/mountains. I wanted something that could become powerful over time with some care and dedication, but you wouldn't immediately recognize as a fast car.
Fiesta fit all of these needs, and it's still quicker than your Mustang. :)
>>15319481
>it's still quicker than your Mustang
kek, delusional poorfag
also
>front
>wheel
>drive
>>15319491
You're right, you would actually have to have a car for mine to be quicker than yours. :(
>>15319459
>Actually buying a mustang
If you are going to troll, atleast put a little effort into it. If you truly fell for the RWD meme, I'm sorry friend. Next time just do a little research before making a car purchase. I'm sure there are lots of forums that would love to help! :)
>>15319503
ok keep telling yourself your econoshit with a body kit is special
>>15319509
loving these passive aggressive "totally not butthurt" smileys
>>15319521
As long as you keep renewing your bus pass! One day you'll save up enough to have a shit box.
>>15319524
at least i don't think a hatchback is a sports car
>>15319539
who here did?
>>15319540
the tripshit who got butthurt
>faster than a Mustang
>>15318323
>>15318357
It isnt right unless
A) He is trolling
B) That is some fake shit version
C) Americans are being ripped off
Pic related
>>15319618
The answer is C.
>>15319630
Oh shit really? You guys dont get the same version as us?
What hp does your one have?
>>15317346
Damn it man, can't you just appreciate what you have?
>>15319632
>>15319618
It's B)
Maybe that picture was taken at a trade show or something but the USDM Golf R's definitely have the same exhaust as yours.
>>15319632
VW has always gimped American market cars. The MK6 USDM Golf R had around 260 HP while the EU version had closer to 300.
My car was just wrecked in floods and I need a new one. Was thinking of getting a hatchback this time. Red pill me on them
>>15319688
Most people just watch the YouTube reviews that are pretty favorable, Fatt Marah did this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbcj-zE7gBw
He owned one for a while with pretty unbelievable numbers, running a 100 octane tune, tuned and dyno'd by Cobb (who gave him all the parts for free in exchange for the promotion I believe). The community was pretty skeptical and eventually he sold the car to a guy on the forums, though I'm not sure if it ever got independently dyno'd.
Just general hatchback red pill would be convenience of a sedan with extra storage, while maintaining low weight and pretty good power/weight ratios.
The biggest complaint is generally the FF drive train, though there are several AWD variants.
>>15319491
I dont care either way, but have u ever seen a fiesta st vs mustang? cool vids on youtube man, definitely surprised me. ive never driven either but it would be fun to give them a shot. i drive a second hand smart car
>>15319491
>Believing the RWD meme
>>15319618
I thought it was real as fake exhaust tips are getting more and more common, thanks for clearing it up though.
That feel when you set up a spreadsheet to rank various elements of various cars to work out which would in theory be your perfect next car and the Panda 100HP outranks the BMW E92 M3
Has anyone driven the hot Panda? I know they have a lack of power but they look like they might make an awesome cheap fun daily
What are Golfs like?
>>15324018
Boring
how does someone get better at driving?
are there advanced courses, or even training instructors that do things like this?
for example, I could never Park close enough to a curb, especially in new cars, how do I know how close I am? even parking, I don't know how much room I have in front of me or behind me.
even highway driving, certain people have tricks with who is where at certain mirror positions.
how do you get better?
>>15324286
Just practice driving m8, gotta just have a sixth sense for these things if you don't have an auto parking car or whatever.
>>15319524
I see you post your FiST often on here. I'm looking to get one, but I have some worrying concerns. Maybe you have some insight.
What is the aftermarket like for this car? The one I looked at had a cobbshit intake and exhaust which makes me worried that it might have had the ecu flashed. The intake wasn't properly bolted to the engine, and the added size caused the engine cover to not fit. The bastard who owned it even put the shitty cobb badge on the back.
Also, the brake vectoring. Does it tear up the brakes pretty bad, or is everyone over exaggerating?
Overall it seemed fairly nice for a shitbox, but I'm not sure its worth blowing 15 grand on when there are alternatives.
>>15325684
http://www.fiestastforum.com/forum/forums/55-Fiesta-ST-Sponsor-Forums
That's a pretty comprehensive list of vendors, there are some more, but most of the part manufacturers have a presence on that board. Aftermarket is good and growing, lots of good options for custom tunes as well.
Cobb products aren't *terrible*, I have the same intake on my car and the engine cover definitely still fits if it's properly fitted (unless maybe it's a MY16 with a 14-15 intake? I've heard there's weird fitment there). Their exhaust is a fairly popular mod as well.
As far as being tuned, that's hard to know for sure. I'll say the OTS Cobb tunes are conservative and I wouldn't worry too much about buying one that had been running one as long as the driver seems reasonable. Though I probably wouldn't buy that combination of car from a vapelord.
New base model Fiesta ST's are going for 18.5k-19k out the door, so keep that in mind as well.
>>15325684
Oh, and brake vectoring isn't really noticeable. Maybe ever so slightly, but you can fully disable the stability control, or put in sport mode to let the tail hang out a little more.
I'll be doing my brakes/fluid soon at 25k/miles. The stock pads and brakes are sufficient for the car and are excellent (though they do get HOT). Brake fade is not tremendous, but on a heavy track day in the middle of summer they can become a problem. Several vendors are offering brake cooling ducting now, not sure how effective they are.
Greetings friends!
>>15326321
No way.
Need to get some recall work done to my old Swift Sport, might get a test drive in this while I'm waiting. It's a VW/Toyota/Suzuki dealer so might be able to get a test drive in a GT86 too.
>2015
>10 miles
>£11,950
>>15326321
Nice! I have one on order. What's in the mountune box?
Maxing out fueling and no injectors available for Mazdaspeeds. Feels real bad.
>>15326321
Obligatory bread. And the mountune box was for my old Fiesta ST MP215 kit
>>15326458
How much power are you putting down? And really? No one makes injectors? I though the MS3 aftermarket was supposed to be pretty good.
>>15326466
hope you didn't let the dealer clean your car. saw some pics of another grey RS with tons of swirls already
>>15326466
How do you like it so far? Do the headlights swivel? Does Sync 3 obliterate that turd of an interface Sync 2? I'm mainly curious about the day to day small things, the big ticket features have already been discussed ad nauseam.
>>15326470
I'm not done tuning yet, so it's hard to say realistically what I'm making. I'd say I should be somewhere between 350 and 400 whp when all is said and done, but the limit is really the fueling at this point. The only option currently is port injection, which is pretty expensive. The stock internals are only good up to about 350-400tq anyways, so if I want to go any higher I'll have to spend lots of money.
>>15325853
I'm not exactly sure about the type who had it before. The car is maintained well, but there is weird shit done to it. I think it's a fair price because it only has 19000 miles. I think I'll wind up making them an offer. Thanks for the information; I'll get some pics up here if they sell.
>>15326534
>tuning
>not on a dyno
>yeah somewhere maybe 350 or 400hp
Yeah, no.
>>15326492
Unfortunately they did clean it. I have not noticed any swirls yet.
>>15326499
I need to do more night driving to really see if the light swivel. And the sync 3 is so much better than the old my ford touch. Much more responsive.
>>15326566
Before bigger turbo and other things.
Vdyno numbers are a lot more conservative in my experience. Dyno tunes are for faggots who can't do it themselves.
>>15326605
Also taking special request of anything you guys want to see on the focus rs
>mfw I fell for the hot hatch meme
>>15326643
sit in the middle of the back seat and put your feet on the shift knob
>>15326648
>>15326669
what a madman
>>15326669
Is that a WC lathewerks knob? They look pretty nice.
Can you take a pic of the console/armrest cupholder area with the armrest up? I have seen zero pics of that yet. I used to have an ST3, I'm guessing its similar.
>>15326648
>>15326669
lol
>>15326466
Sweet car m8, I'm quite envious. What package did you go with?
That little tray covers the center compartment
>>15326685
Oh yes, it was my old shift knob from my Fiesta ST that I transfered over.
>>15326687
I went with RS2 package with added sunroof. Needed some creature comfort since I will be sticking with this car for a while.
>>15326726
I really the the color choice, m80. I was dead set on getting pretty much the same car as you did, sans the sunroof, but I decided it would be better for my bank account to buy a FiST
is that key spot for your fob if you want to just use the physical key and lock the fob inside?
>>15327308
fuck your bank account nigga, AWD turbo
>>15327319
yeah yeah, I know. I had read on /o/ and other places that the ride was kinda rough on shitty roads, and since >minnesota
that had me worried
>Kind of want a FiST
>afraid cause I hear about reliability issues
anyone wanna justify or squash these rumors for me?
>>15327308
The Fiesta ST is plenty of fun. FiST is best bang for your bucks. Honestly, the FoRS is not $20k more fun than a FiST.
>>15327328
What kind of reliability problems have you heard? My old FiST with MP215 ran like a champ and I was flooring it at least three times a day for 2 years.
>>15327328
a few things
>auto trans is a majority of problems when you google fiesta problems
>fist/fost have LSP problems, which means going WOT in 6th at 30 mph is a stupid idea. downshift
>few minor things like rmm suck stock if you're going to upgrade performance wise
other than that it's a fun as fuck car, blows the fuck out other cars in the price range new. a few simple mods and it's king
Also here is my old FiST
>>15327354
that was pretty much how I felt. I love my FiST, and as awesome and cool as it would be to own an RS, I'm 100% happy
well, 99%. if I could get that beautiful nitrous blue on my FiST, I would be in love
>>15327369
Tune+ is offering a nice hybrid turbo system that can get you to 300whp. That should be hilariously fun.
>>15327383
gib paint color
>>15327383
I probably won't do any major mods to it until after the 36k warranty is kill. I replaced the rmm with the mountune and added mudflaps, and we'll see what happens from there
pic related is my FiST. 2016
>>15327390
No idea what wrap he used. My bet is that it's 3M's Gloss Blue Metallic?
Here is his full Gallery
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/91839881@N05/sets/72157668258029750/
>>15326726
Can you plug in a USB drive to play mp3's?
>>15327413
yep you've been able to do this for a while in ford cars w/ sync
>>15327407
That gray on black color combo looks amazing! Are you going to tint it?
>when you realize you got cucked into buying a hatchback
>cars with trunks are more structurally rigid in that area
>not having a separate storage compartment (trunk)
The only advantage a hatch has over a car with a trunk is fitting taller items.
>>15327458
not to mention trunks are more aerodynamic
don't you people want to go fast?
>>15326726
Did you pick the RS2 package? I really want to see the difference between the partial leather and full leather seats.
>>15327449
I think so. being >minnesota
I can't do anything past 50%, and nothing on the front windshield. I've thought about going with ceramic tint, since one of my coworkers put that on his SHO and it seems to keep it much cooler in the sun
>>15306803
>>d rally cross on full rally tracks, that'd be the shit.
Fund it and take my money.
>>15327458
>>cars with trunks are more structurally rigid in that area
I don't believe this is true.
>>15327468
No idea what the partial one looks like and I will try to upload better pictures tomorrow. Here is one a buddy took.
Also personal shilling for my youtube exhaust video. Please don't track me down with license plate. :(
https://youtu.be/DavrcbX_3Dc
>>15327503
believe it bby :^)
>>15327513
I have an erection after that vid
>>15327519
No, you are actually wrong.
torsional rigidity has everything to do with how the frame is constructed. You can have a hatch or sedan built to be very rigid or not so rigid. There is nothing intrinsically about either design that lends itself better to torsional rigidity.
>>15327513
I'm so full of jelly. I want mine in black. It's a shame they didn't offer the bucket seats.
>>15327530
>everything to do with how the frame is constructed
The body is part of the frame in these cars. all the extra bends in the sheet metal around the trunk area in sedans makes for a more rigid body and thus a more rigid frame.
Which is the better car FiST or FoST? I could probably afford either of them just want a quick turbo hatch that is fun to drive. They both seem good. Is the FoST much faster?
>>15327548
Yeah, I get what your saying.
It's still incorrect.
http://blogs.youwheel.com/2014/04/25/car-body-torsional-rigidity-a-comprehensive-list/
And to be fair, even if you were correct something as simple as a stiffer antiroll bar would rectify the problem.
except there isn't a problem, because you're wrong.
>>15327513
One more thing, Where did the dealer mount the front silence plate? did they drill on the plastic "mouth guard" part or did they use a bracket on the tow hook location?
as a entry level tuner what my first place to start on my stock 12 focus SEL?
>>15327567
Of the two the FiST is far more buttoned down than the FoST and as a result can enter and exit corners like it's on rails. The FoST has a bit more torque and usable space, but also a comically high turning radius and some shitty toque steer.
Personal opinion is the FiST since I think you're less likely to go flying off the road in one and it's usable power is more practical than the FoST since it doesn't cause your car to pull one direction or the other.
>>15327568
There are literally two (2) hatchbacks in that entire list. You have not proven anything, therefore you are wrong.
>>15327567
Test drive both and see which you like more. Went with the FiST because of just how fun it was to get it to rotate in corners.
>>15327359
>Auto Trans
>In a FiST
>Only comes in manual
What?
Also, only a retard would go WoT in a high gear at low speed
RMM is easy for anybody to replace by themselves even with no prior knowledge about working on cars at all.
The only real issue it may have is the hose clamps popping off but it's really rare in the FiST, more of a 4 cyl stang problem.
>>15327630
>>15327662
Thanks guys gonna test drive both.
>>15327571
Perk of living in Florida is that front liscense plate are not mandatory. The dealer (thank goodness) did not drilled any holes in the front.
This is where I think they would mount front plates since there are 2 little hole guides.
Something neat I found out is that there is not a mesh grill here to protect the intercooler from rocks.
>>15327646
Did better than your made up bullshit.
Golf GTI listed as higher torsional rigidity than 2nd Gen Impreza WRX.
The whole premise of your remarks was that hatch owners somehow got "cucked" into buying inferior cars based solely on the shape. It's a fucking retarded statement from every possible perspective.
>>15327716
You just compared torsional rigidity of two cars from different manufacturers. I can't think of a more fucking retarded statement than that, you fucking retard.
>The whole premise of your remarks was that hatch owners somehow got "cucked" into buying inferior cars
get meme'd, faggot
Spacious interior but not a huge car.
Motor doesn't have to be super fast but not a CVT/Slow as balls lawn mower motor.
2010 or newer
Not over 80k miles
Not gonna cost me over $9k
Decently reliable, not gonna crap out on me after 10k miles.
Going for automatic because this is a city-traffic delivery vehicle. Lots of gridlock driving for me.
I can do most usual maintenance myself.
>>15326466
What seats did you get senpai?
Could you post a pic of the engine too please?
>tfw no FiST in here
>tfw ecoboost here are auto dcts
Life is suferring
>>15329418
Buy a FiST then. They are worth it.
>>15329451
Did you even read my post
>>15329458
Not gonna lie, no. It's too early in the morning.
Post your ST m8
>>15329714
>clearly states no FiST available where he lives
terrible excuse
>>15329418
What third world country is that?
Mazdaspeed3'so are fun.
Anyone else running an ethanol/blend tune?
It's nice to see all the Ford's in the thread, but also nice to see some other friendly hatchbros.
>>15327666
>>Auto Trans
>>In a FiST
>>Only comes in manual
when you google ford fiesta problems often the auto stuff comes up is what I mean. often when I see Fist threads on /o/ people are crying about the trans blowing up not knowing those links are about the auto. i could have worded it better
Here is mine
>>15308116
What fuel economy were you getting in the R32
>>15319618
>stock rubber
ew
Am I the only Clio owner here?
It's dead now though, so it needs replacing.
Deleted my thread, reposting here.
>have 5k
Should i buy a Foxbody or use that money for a downpayment on a Used Fiesta ST?
>commuting 100 miles a day
>want something with more than 100hp
>decent MPGs
>not going to the track or modding it
Ive owned a 79 Foxbody before so i know how compact they are.
Any Fiesta owners here that can give me info on it?
>inb4 Ford hate
All ive ever owned are Fords and Toyotas
And for the last tripfag, yup i can afford it.
Can have the Fiesta paid off in under a year.
>>15330545
5k will probably get you a down payment for a FoRS in afew months.
>>15330550
Not looking to spend 35k+ or whatever it is for one.
Fiesta STs are under 20k around here and i can pay it off in under a year.
The RS would lock me in for 2-3 years of payments, not appealing at all.
>>15330545
well, if you're not fat, the recaros are pretty comfortable. hell, I'm 5'10 230 and can still fit pretty comfortably in them
ride is a bit rough with how the suspension is tuned, but it shouldn't be a deal breaker
another suggestion would be to get that 1.0L ecoboost fiesta. makes over 100hp and gets high 30s-40s on the highway (although I don't know anything about that transmission. it could be a pile of shit)
>>15330582
Lol i am fat but im 5'9" 230lbs.
I fit pretty good in Recaros though, are they all generally the same size for seats?
Suspension doesnt bother me, my current DD is a 34 year old Corolla and the suspension on it is meh. Takes dirt roads pretty good though.
>ecoboost fiesta
Are those the new ones?
>>15330599
I think the standard seats fit us fatties a bit better, but I could be wrong
the FiST has always had an ecoboost, but the 1.0L ecoboost has only ever been for the lower model of the fiesta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine#1.0_litre_Fox
>>15330625
Ill just stick with the bigger engine even if its not much bigger.
Not worried about good MPGs that badly
>>15330625
140ps is astounding from that size. I wonder what the long term reliability would be like.
>>15331802
I'm kind of curious myself. I almost went with this model over my fist, but ultimately decided I wanted more hp and torque
Just got a FoST about a week ago. Really fun, need the hatch space, which is pretty comparable to the old mazda 3 I had, and got a nice deal on a base one with some upgrades they had in inventory. Well worth the upgrade, doesn't hurt the wallet that much either.
>>15315125
Used to have one before some fuckhead rear ended me at 45mph when I was at a dead stop
>>15332981
post pics pls
anyone know how much smaller the Fist is compared to the fost in terms of cargo space?
>>15333334
pretty minor since the focus dash is fuck huge and takes up most of the extra space
kinda kidding, but it's really a minor difference interior wise. I was able to fit a set of tires, tools, and cases of water in my FoST with back seats down
>>15333140
This was in the Dealer’s Inventory, a base ST1 with upgraded wheels and tires, ambient lighting, and moonroof. Don’t care about the recaros, nav package/heated seats & steerings. Really enjoy it so far. Wish there were a couple more features, but we got a great price for it.
>>15333449
nice
my fist is >>15327407
got that magnetic color too. shit looks great even when dirty
One of the last of a dying breed
>>15333477
Excellent. What made you go FiST? The color is excellent, really like what they did, even though we were thinking of going blue.
I think yours would look great with different wheels though. We lucked out with the upgraded non-snowflake editions, but it would've bothered me to have the stock.
>>15333587
I went fist because I wanted something I could toss around the corners and shit. I originally was gung-ho and all ready to fuck my bank account over with buying a focus RS, but I decided the fist was a better value at 20k less
I still over paid for my fist, probably a couple grand more than your fost, but I'm okay with it
and yea, I've thought about different wheels. I used to hate those, but they've grown on me a bit, so idk what I'm gonna do in the future. I might get new rims for summer and use those stock ones for winter tires
>>15315125
MK4 Reporting in
>>15333647
Jelly of that cornering. I'm very interested in seeing who the RS Buyers Market is. It's such a shit steep price for a Focus, and people are already justifying the cost.
>>15315125
Got a 2005 Mk4 GTI back in September and have put 6000 miles on it since. I love the thing. Even though the interior is crap and it weighs 4000 lbs. Seriously though The one that I bought has two ashtrays and no cup holders. I had to buy the inserts for them. I've bought a roof rack for it since this pic.
FoS reporting in. Still thinking on if I ever do want to get a cold air intake and the tune. Still waiting for a good time to put the springs and shocks from an ST in.
>>15327567
The focus wins in the track battle but everyone says the fiesta is the one to get because it feels better. Try em and decide.
>>15330281
Mkiv gets 26-27 highway. I get maybe 23 in city, stop and go traffic, and highway on my way home from work. Can't speak for the mkv though I imagine similar since same engine.
So, I'm torn between the Abarth 595 Competizione and the Megane RS Trophy. Would consider the Fiesta ST but my mate let me drive his for a few hours and it didn't feel as good as the base Abarth and I'm not a huge fan of any of the colours except Storm Grey on the ST200.
What should I go for?
>>15335334
Which ever one you're a huge fan of driving m8, it's not rocket science.
>>15311253
The busses you ride are for girls
Hand over your man card
>>15333477
My mustang has the magnetic and it's so nice. I get a fair amount of compliments from people too.
>>15335608
I wish the Fiesta came in Guard Green, I probably would of chosen Magnetic on the 2016s though. :(
SO I did some comparisons, looking at my budget and at what's available (withing some set limits) and here's how my options look:
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/match1328-4366-2672-3962-2493-1488.htm
All in all, I'm still into Megane RS Cup/Trophy Cup(so probably 250/265HP).
The BMWs seem to be more susceptible to being stolen and service costs will be probably higher, not to mention daily MPG.
Any thoughts? Suggestions?
I know its alot to ask but can anyone post pics of the Fiesta ST in each available color?
Kinda busy atm so i cant do it myself
>>15336168
The Megane RS Trophy produces 275HP, not 265.
>>15336308
This one is Spirit Blue, which I don't think they offer in the US
>>15336380
IIRC, you've got the RS Sport (250HP), RS Cup (250HP, stiffer suspension, LSD, etc.), RS Trophy 265HP and later (post lift) RS Trophy 275HP.
>>15336414
There was the RS250, which had a Cup variant still with 250HP, then it was updated with the RS265 with a Cup, and it's been facelifted recently, and now they're all RS275s with Cup, Trophy and Trophy-R variants.
>>15336466
Ye, that sounds more refined.
But there's also Limited RS Trophy (265HP).
>>15336168
I'm current;y looking at these two:
http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=6278417813
http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=6273621922
Anything in particular I should be on look out for?
I'm most definitely taking it to a service station for a checkup and only looking for non-accident ones (so, taking someone who deals used cars for first look).
Sup anons.
Just tested a Focus ST2 yesterday. Salesmen led me to an empty industrial park and told me to run free with it.
Man what a blast. Punchy and agile. After cross shopping I think I finally found my car.
Planning on putting in my order for this later this week.
My gf just bought a 2006 Mini Cooper S and it's a ton of fun. I'm almost torn between my miata and her hot hatch but they're both a ton of fun to drive.
It made me want a supercharger for my Miata
>>15336697
Good choice.
What colour?
I'm tempted to trade in my FiST for a Diesel FoST. Is this a good choice? Car is used as a Daily Driver btw.
>>15336748
Built exactly as shown. Love the Recaros.
Great price too.
[spoiler]Helps that I get Ford A-Plan discount[/spoiler]
>>15336308
My White Platinum
>>15336772
I really like that actually. Is it metallic? I think the only white we get here is gloss.
>>15336751
Won't be anywhere near as fun.
>>15336767
Even with the cheap looking stripes?
Bumpz
Had a quick look at one of these today. It has the same running gear as the current Clio RS, except this actually has a 6 Speed manual. What the fuck Renault?
>>15333677
>>15333842
I almost got a Mk4 instead of the Mk5 y'all replied to. I like the Mk4's face a ton but the overall styling and tunability of the Mk5 made me go with that.
>>15336926
Yea it''s metallic
>>15335608
it's such a nice color. something more flashy would be nice, but at the same time, it really makes the car look super low-key, which I really like
>>15336308
my magnetic fist
>>15327407
So lately I've been thinking and I'd like some input from a thread where people seem to have a lot of info and passion about quick hatchbacks.
I've got an old car that's falling apart and it's about time to sell it and move on. I like the Fiesta, I've enjoyed driving the few I've had the opportunity to do so.
The Fiesta ST was really fun, but is out of my immediate price range. I have however found a used hatchback Fiesta SFE for bang in the middle of my budget. I would like to purchase this SFE, then spend some time and money upgrading it to be silly fun. Maybe not Fiesta ST tier, but as close as I could get it over, say, a two year period.
I can buy the SFE outright and spend some of my salary on mods in the coming months. Does anyone have any anecdotal or informative experience with the SFE and modding?
Thanks
>>15338960
Are you looking for something that would be a fun DD or do you think you would start getting hooked on doing HPDE and autocross events? Also what's your budget and general location? You'd be surprised what the car loving neets on this board can find.
>>15339000
Dem trips
I would be using this as a DD that also has some "sleeper" potential with the only real visible modifications being the wheels and the ride height. I very much enjoy the idea of a zippy little 1 liter mated to a 5 speed manual.
My cash in hand budget is 14k. This will be enough to grab the SFE. If I cut down on what I'm putting into savings for a few months, I could have about 3 grand to play with in three months, all of which I would happily throw at the car.
Ideas?
Thoughts?
Questions?
Concerns?
Thanks.
>>15339000
>>15339860
Oh and apologies I'm in Southern California.
>>15338960
I don't know much about the USDM Fiestas. What engine does it have? Aim for one with a 1.0 Ecoboost. And a manual.
Also, as far as mods to make it fun; I know nothing about the aftermarket for these cars, but I would just slowly install all the handling bits form the ST, like wheels & tires and suspension and shit. And get yourself some bucket seats.
>>15338960
You can get Mountune upgrades for the 1.0 Fiesta. Apparently, it's very good upgrade for the 1.0 engines, or so I've been told.
>>15339860
I like the SFE a lot, but at $14,000 you can find a used Fiesta ST for $1-2k more and you'd be much happier modifying that going forward.
>>15327468
Better image of Full leather
Also I confirmed that FoRS headlights steers where you steer
Who's got two thumbs and payed almost 40k for a Golf? This guy right here. Still jelly of the RS in this thread, I had one on for a MSRP deal but when it got here the dealer decided to add on another 6k when I went to go pick it up. I'm definitely not complaining though I absolutely love this car.
