>car guys are more interested in 100 year old technology than brand new electric vehicle technology
This is how you know the car community is filled with 100 IQ manchildren bro dudes.
>New technology is reliable and safe
>>15272281
more so than any vehicle ever created.
>>15272272
shoo shoo tesla shill
You've already made 5 posts. Go away
>>15272301
not a tesla shill. any electric vehicles are impressive.
>>15272272
pretty sure electric cars existed before gasoline did
>people shilling tesla without knowing what real EV power is near me
0-60 in sub-3?
that's cute
>>15272272
Good god that front end is hideous.
>>15272353
No worse than you in the fiat threads faggot.
>car made to pander to millennials
>no originality
>every car in a model series will always be the same
>only difference is how much charge it can hold
>no customization
>no ability to fix for yourself
>overheating when pushed to the limit, no way to get around it
>bland design
>gimmicks everywhere, none of which are focused on driving
>made for convenience and commodity, not fun
>autopilot so you don't even drive the car
>car drives you from a to b while you fuck off and text
>no connection between car and driver
>car is basically another appliance
>100k+ price tags
>9,000 to download an update to use the full battery when you already paid for the whole car
Yeah, how dare we hate it.
>>15272326
this. steam and electric propulsion for automobiles predate the common combustion engine.
>he chooses his hobbies and interests by calculating what makes him appear more intelligent to others
>>15272397
>he chooses his hobbies and interests by calculating what makes him appear as if he has a larger dick to others
>>15272415
Sorry about your micropenis.
>>15272423
>own tesla model s
>7.5" dick
stay mad with your old poormobile
>>15272415
>he chooses his hobbies and interests by calculating what makes him appear above the rest of the people, as well as shitting on anyone who likes to have fun doing anything that isn't what he's doing
>>15272415
nah, we're here for fun, not for penis storage. if they had a huge one, they would be looking at an MR or RR for all that frontal space.
>>15272415
>>15272429
>literally can't stop thinking about other guys cocks
>actually posts benis size to win arguments on a cantonese cartoon forum
>>15272272
>it takes more intelligence to buy a car than to restore and rebuild one
nice bait
>>15272272
Caveman here.
Can I mod it?
Or when I go to the dragstrip will I be deadlocked with the guy in the next lane?
Is it aftermarket friendly?
Or are the only parts I can buy are from the manufacturer?
Can I drive from Florida to California only taking 10 minute piss/fuel breaks?
Oh wait I know the answer to that one- NOPE.
>>15272454
>so poor that he needs to buy a fucked up car to see if he can restore it
don't lie.
>>15272460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieimw3a6Sow
>>15272460
>so poor he buys a car to run on virtual gasoline
>>15272272
Electric cars are about just as old
>>15272460
>implying restoring cars is a cheap job
Summer's in full swing, boys.
>>15272499
so you just like to waste money, then
>>15272510
>spending money doing something you enjoy is "wasting money"
can't you just stop being poor near me please
>>15272460
>poor people restore cars
Obviously, you haven't looked at parts and labor prices recently.
>>15272519
>he enjoys dumb work
>>15272429
Post bread on hood or else migrobenis
>pre ordering
>confirmed DLC on the new model S
Tesla is cancer
>>15272527
>work
I'm guessing you were last pick for school sports too
>>15272563
>too
lol
>>15272281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck
>>15272272
>100 year old technology
>not electric
ebin trickster
does 1832 ring any bells?
>>15272272
>brand new electric vehicle technology
Try 200 year old technology :^). Electric cars are older than the gasoline engine itself.
>>15272628
>what is the 1959 gm X frame which was used one year only
>what is rust and metal fatigue
>iihs never proved there was an engine in the obvious rust bucket they bought.
>>15272272
>millennials will never understand the engineering and science that went in to designing carburetors.
Carburetors are really under appreciated imo. They are an ingenious answer to a tricky question.
>>15272673
Its one of those old elegant things that were made completely obsolete by relatively boring computers.
>>15272673
They are still used in all racing applications that matter.
>>15272673
fuck off boomer
>>15272660
IIHS thinks up new crashes all the time to keep cars from looking safe. So the insurance companies that pay them can justify their rates and payouts.
>>15272389
>no originality
>gas engine is very original
>no customization
You can tune an electric car's suspension, much like any other car. You can do an engine swap, much like any other car
>no ability to fix for yourself
If you're a retard :^)
>overheating when pushed to the limit, no way to get around it
Actually, there is. Fans are used to cool most electric motors.
>gimmicks everywhere, none of which are focused on driving
Like powered windows, sound systems, trunk space, etc.?
>made for convenience and commodity, not fun
Gasoline powered cars aren't made for convenience and commodity?
>autopilot so you don't even drive the car
So, turn off the autopilot and drive the car.
>car drives you from a to b while you fuck off and text
Like many people behind the wheel of a gas-powered car
>no connection between car and driver
See above
>car is basically another appliance
dictionary.com:
Appliance:
1.
an instrument, apparatus, or device for a particular purpose or use.
I'm assuming by this definition, a gas powered car is an appliance
>100k+ price tags
Really? Gas powered Koenigseggs are less than 100k? What about Ferrari? What about Lamborghini?
>9,000 to download an update to use the full battery when you already paid for the whole car
That's a specific issue with a specific car. Not electric cars in general.
Oh, and no cherry-picked images of electric cars in fiery infernos?
>this message was brought to you by Exxon
>>15272705
>You can do an engine swap, much like any other car
My ass. You could do a whole thread on why thats both a stupid idea and why it is probably impossible.
>>15272691
i bet this kid put his float bowl in upside down kek
also 22 y/o
>>15272705
>If you're a retard :^)
You're locked out of a Tesla that needs maintenance, Tesla will not sell you spare parts, Tesla will not provide service manuals unless you live in Massachusetts. It's literally an Iphone.
>>15272742
>its one of those "le born in the wrong era" faggots
kek
>>15272705
Yeah, and the fans are terrible. If the S didn't overheat, then maybe it could beat a Golf around the Nurburgring, even with its numb handling.
>>15272761
>implying
I was born in the perfect era where i can DD a carbureted car and piss off liberals at the same time.
>>15272742
No service manual...
Fuck that, nobody should be locked into dealership networks for repairs!
>>15272773
>I drive an old shitbox!
>aren't you pissed off by that
top kek, gotta protect that virginity right?
>>15272739
You could try to provide facts to refute that point you decided to counter.
I'm willing to listen.
>>15272742
>Tesla will not sell you spare parts
If they want to go out of business :^)
You could be locked out of a chebby that needs needs maintenance, but you voided your warranty.
The only thing worse than memeing about an electric car
>Is unironically owning a nissan
>>15272776
Tesla is too jew to even create some dealers or service shops.
>>15272781
go be jewish somewhere else
>>15272781
>white trash begging for another ban
>batteries and motors
VS
>harnessing controlled explosions
Sorry I like the sound of a Porsche 917 over the iphone-like noise of a Tesla. Maybe you should get your testosterone levels checked, OP
>>15272777
Compared to your 90's shitbox, mine has collectibility.
>>15272780
>If they want to go out of business :^)
Once again Tesla will not provide you with spare parts. You will need to somehow get your vehicle to a service center, no mom&pop shops, no home delivery for OEM.
> but you voided your warranty.
If you even look at your Tesla funny it will void the warranty.
Tesla is known for bullshit warranties that are on par with digital games.
by the way, you don't own a Tesla, ever, even if you paid it off.
>>15272812
gasoline burns, it doesn't explode
>>15272824
>mine has collectibility.
>>15272833
>Corvairs aren't collectible
:^)
>>15272780
My internet is going at the speed of smell right now so I cant grab any sources, but basically the motors have a lot more to them then just being able to produce torque. If you somehow found a better one that still can fit in the tiny space where the old one was, Im willing to wager that the car wouldn't even start, because the computer would be seeing total failure from the diagnostic system, because there is none. So you'd need to find a motor that can convince the computer its a real Tesla one, and then somehow fit it in a space that can barely be modified, because the thing's been designed for one specific motor. Then you've got to worry about the batteries exploding, because your better motor is going to be drawing more amps then the last one. Assuming it CAN draw more power. Dunno how they've made the computer work. The whole system is very much like a game console or a phone in the sense that its strength comes from knowing exactly whats in it, which also means that whats in it has to stay in it.
>>15272825
An explosion is just rapid combustion
>>15272705
>You can tune an electric car's suspension, much like any other car. You can do an engine swap, much like any other car
Hardly, you make any modifications to the car and tesla will immediately know.
>>15272765
Like a computer, the fan needs good air flow. I'm blaming the manufacturer.
>>15272839
>deemed "unsafe at any speed"
>collectible
>>15272847
>Tesla is the only electric car manufacturer
>>15272857
The only one that's actually made something worth buying. Who else has built an electric car that isn't totally outclassed by a cheaper ICE one?
>>15272857
it's the only one that's fun
>>15272855
m8 i've probably taken harder corners in that thing faster than you ever have.
>anon in charge of tire pressure.
>anon in charge of knowing how to drive RR
>grasping so hard as to quote false rhetoric
holy shit i b dyin
>>15272864
The most fun modern car I've ever driven was a BMW 1 series e drive prototype. That thing was genuinely hilarious. No m235i was nearly as good
>>15272863
>LEAFs, Volts, Focuses aren't worth buying
Just because the demand isn't high don't mean they're not worth buying.
These cars are getting dealer cash, and government grant cash. >cheaper
>>15272812
>muh e-peen:the argument
>>15272855
>Hurr I know nothing about corvairs.
>>15272881
>cuck gets most fun out of a cuck car
What a suprise
EV enthusiasts and modders will be an entirely different breed of people from old-school car guys because the skillset and competencies needed to mod and maintain them are totally different. So yes, obviously everyone here is going to shit on EVs because they can't understand them
>>15272894
>Tiny rwd car with great chassis, shit tires and huge torque
>Somehow not fun
Spotted the weeb. Go home alphonse
>>15272896
>run a car with starter motors
what's not to understand?
>>15272883
Ill admit I know nothing about the Leaf. The Volt is a hybrid that gets most of its range from the little four banger, so that doesn't really count. The Focus costs quite a bit more then the base gas one, and has a pretty uninspiring range, performance and charge time.
>>15272896
Millenials can't change their own oil yet you think they're gonna motor swap their electric car, learn electronics, and handle working around instant death levels of electricity?
>>15272896
If you can even mod them. The added complexity of the system wont stop us from trying to change stuff just because we can't understand it, but because if we change anything it will upset the carefully made balance that the engineers have spent thousands of hours designing and probably make something melt or fuse.
>>15272932
2bh m8, engine swapping isn't the most difficult thing when you don't have an ECU having a stroke.
>>15272932
they genuinely think it will be as easy as tuning on forza
>>15272843
>Tesla
Tesla is not the only manufacturer of electric cars, so that would only be a problem in Teslas.
>you've got to worry about the batteries exploding
I'm aware of that. That's why you upgrade the battery, or wire it in parallel so each cell only pulls a certain amount of amps. Much like a gas engine swap, you still have problems that need to be taken care of: gas line, intake, exhaust, computer.
>The whole system is very much like a game console
I would assume the system being modded would also require a system upgrade. I'm thinking an open source raspberry pi computer. Or, if computer savvy, one could mod the existing computer's binary instructions.
I see what you're saying. An electric motor swap is obstructive, but it's certainly not impossible.
![Screen+Shot+2015-03-28+at+10.24.17+AM[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6ZctrJV.jpg "Screen+Shot+2015-03-28+at+10.24.17+AM[1].jpg")
>>15272932
>yfw millenial
>yfw I rebuild carburetors and engines every day
>yfw nissan will NEVER win le mans
>>15272954
shoo shoo jew
>>15272272
That shit looks like Pepsi Man when he would do the succ
>>15272954
>votes democrat
>>15272905
You mean like the starter used to rev the crankshaft to initiate the combustion?
>>15272954
>bitches and moans about carbs all fucking day in /dbt/
we all know you're a hypocrite but at least pretend you aren't you fucking sleazeball.
>>15272978
no i mean just put four starter motors on four wheels and sit on a big lead acid battery and you have an electric car.
>>15272952
>Tesla is not the only manufacturer of electric cars, so that would only be a problem in Teslas.
All the stuff I said still applies.
>I'm aware of that. That's why you upgrade the battery, or wire it in parallel so each cell only pulls a certain amount of amps. Much like a gas engine swap, you still have problems that need to be taken care of: gas line, intake, exhaust, computer.
These batteries are the whole reason electric cars are even able to compete today. Each one is a fucking marvel thats custom built for this application by professionals. Nobody at home is going to be able to do better. And its not like you can just buy a better one that fits the same form factor as the old one, because energy density is a bitch, and is why we're all not driving EV's right now. Plus even the smaller capacity ones cost more then most cars.
>I would assume the system being modded would also require a system upgrade. I'm thinking an open source raspberry pi computer. Or, if computer savvy, one could mod the existing computer's binary instructions.
Unless your name is John Carmack, thats not going to happen.
>>15273000
It uses literal laptop batteries made by panasonic
>>15272918
>costs quite a bit more then the base
grant/dealer cash
The problem isn't so much range, it's infrastructure. There are batteries capable of 300+miles on a single charge. The afforementioned electric cars have a short range, but I think lack of demand prevents supply of cars with such batteries.
>>15273005
It has the same form factor, but its a hell of a lot better then the 18650 in your laptop.
>>15272976
>he wants someone who blames everyone else for his problems instead of trying to find a solution
>>15272980
carbs suck ass but at least I am getting paid to do it.
>>15273026
>>he wants someone who blames everyone else for his problems instead of trying to find a solution
>he wants someone whose only motivation is to own the one house she can't buy.
>>15273018
Even with the maximum possible tax credit the thing is still 4k over a base model where I live. Also we're extreme jews up here because it only applies to the first 10k applicants, which I think has already passed seeings how the government page has 404'd.
>>15273036
you can't buy windsor castle, but she doesn't want that. you can't buy the vatican, but she doesn't want that.
>but no, you want the guy who literally wants to buy his way into the one house you can't buy
>>15273000
>Each one is a fucking marvel
Lithium ion batteries are not a marble. Changing how the cells are wired is not a marble either.
Sure, they're custom built, but each battery has two terminals and two specifications (amps, volts) .
>>15273045
Ehh, I suppose you're right. Still, I wouldn't mind paying for the electric.
>>15273000
actually thanks to f1 there are much better batteries around right now, it's just that they cost something like 300% more
>>15273055
>implying i even vote
Regardless, Trump isn't wrong and he hasn't been.
>religion of peace
>religion of peace
>religion of peace
>religion of peace
>>15272704
>IIHS thinks up new crashes all the time to keep cars from looking safe
hahahaha. Enjoy your paranoia
>>15273079
He's not wrong.
>>15273073
>he's disregarding the entire first amendment for some fear mongering
next your going to tell me that the white pride worldwide of the kkk isn't terrorism? that dylan roof wasn't terrorism? that the virginia tech shooter, or newtown shooter wasn't a form of terrorism?
while I don't have any love for radicals of any form, especially not the islamic ones, banning an entire class of people based on religion is unconstitutional as fuck
>>15272281
I prefer my car to be constructed from systems that I can easily understand from reading their Wikipedia page.
Fuel injection is the only computer controlled thing that needs to be in a car.
>>15273079
they're never gonna come out and say: cars are safe now, we've done our job, lets close down the iihs
>>15272642
And the design of the motor itself has barely changed
Compare that to the feats of engineering that keep going into making modern ICEs and their emissions control systems
>>15273091
To be fair, they're just expanding their testing to reflect reality and discourage manufacturers from making their cars crumple elegantly in a head on collision but impale the driver with a thousand steel shards should the impact occur at a less expected angle.
When half your marketing is "lol we passed these tests", you're not going to really make a safe car, you're going to make a car that passes the fucking tests.
>>15273099
>trump comes up
>hyperbole is never used
pick one and only one
>he wants to survey muslims and restrict immigration i mean BAN THEM FROM LIFE
>he's going to enact some slight changes and veto some tranny restroom bills i mean MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>>15273099
No that isn't terrorism. No one would give a crap about all those shootings in gun free zones if it wasn't for the media blowing them out of proportion.
>>15273056
Man, you're missing just how much has gone into these. They are not the same batteries as in a laptop. The energy density is as high as they can get it while still considering weight, price, and the internal chemistry and how it reacts to heat, repeated charge cycles and output. Some of the smartest people on the planet worked for years on this shit.
And its not like you can just rewire it without any consequences, or thats what they would have done in the first place. The whole battery unit is a bunch of groups of individual batteries in parallel, which are then in series, because you need a fuckton of voltage for the motors. Wiring the blocks in parallel would give you a limp dick car that can drive for longer, completely negating the upgraded motor.
>>15273118
Dylan roof was terrorism.
>>15272954
>clearly not Le Mans
>car pictured was ICE-powered
you must be some rare breed of retard
>>15273118
no man everything that makes people feel unsafe is terrorism, not just guerilla tactics explicitly meant to make people feel unsafe for political or millitary purposes
that robbery down the street last night was terrorism
fuck definitions, they get in the way of my hype generation
Of course I'm more interested in 100 year old tech, this shit is much more interesting than watching some electrons move around a wire.
>>15272272
To be fair I've yet to see a Tesla charge station:
>Buys car for 100,000$
>Brags about it for a while
>It runs out of battery due to imaginary fuel stations
>I'm a genius future Nobel prize winner
>>15273154
The one guy in my town who has one owns a Tims and had a charging station installed in its parking lot.
>>15273152
There's a lot of engineering that goes into making a efficient electric motor
>>15273138
>>15273140
If these stories make people scared they would be buying guns to protect themselves. Which they aren't. They go on facebook and type, "o.O really makes you think huh" and go on about their lives.
>>15273163
no there isn't lol
>>15273154
In my state, in the very rich part, whenever I drive through, I've noticed them getting installed at the different gas stations, but once I leave that area they're literally non existent
>>15273099
>>he's disregarding the entire first amendment for some fear mongering
First amendment doesn't apply to non-citizens noob. Immigrants don't have a first amendment right until they become citizens.
next your going to tell me that the white pride worldwide of the kkk isn't terrorism? that dylan roof wasn't terrorism? that the virginia tech shooter, or newtown shooter wasn't a form of terrorism?
How can they be terrorism when they're mass shootings :^)
>banning an entire class of people based on religion is unconstitutional as fuck
Those people don't have constitutional rights until they become citizens.
Learn the fucking rules.
Or you can be retarded and open the floodgates even as dozens of intelligence agencies across Europe found evidence that ISIS fighters were among the refugees.
>>15273163
And? You still can not make electric engine as interesting as fossile fuel engine.
Why?
Well electric engine is just a bunch of coils twisted around mount inside metal box.
Nothing to see, nothing to hear.
Also it is very difficult to tune or even fix electric vehicles.
Yes, a lot of engineering goes in to electric motor, but that's it. You wont ever see where that engineering went.
Oh and believe... Currently petrol motors go trough much higher level of engineering than electric motors.
>>15273152
>needs two crankshafts
horrifying.
>>15273205
Virginia Tech wasn't terrorism. They had no goal other then killing people. Might as well call my purse snatching spree terrorism because it scares people.
>>15273099
They don't have constitutional rights you mong they aren't US citizens.
>>15273224
Terrorism is too vague a term for legal use.
>>15273132
Brev please reply Im having fun but its getting really late here
>>15272705
>>gas engine is very original
different engines are different because each one handles something differently. an electric motor is always the same. you put electricity in, it turns the wheels. thats it. There is no variation such as cylinder count, rpm, displacement, etc etc. There's just no way to make any kind of real significant difference like that. And the biggest one is just how long the battery lasts, which is, at least with tesla, LITERALLY DLC.
>Like powered windows, sound systems, trunk space, etc.?
tablet consoles are one I can think of. Honestly, normal cars are guilty of the same shit these days.
>Gasoline powered cars aren't made for convenience and commodity?
you can't tell me a muscle car or supercar are made for any kind of convenience or commodity. The fucking Lamborghini Diablo didnt have fucking AC. because it was all about reducing weight. it was barebones. most average plain jane cars, yes, but not all cars are for that. some are just for fun, or status symbols. usually indicated by something like a bigger engine or less seats, stuff like that. Hell, even some normal cars can be "fun". an SUV with 4x4 can be fun. But so far, electric cars ive seen have none of that kind of "fun" at all. they are iphones on wheels.
Im all for electric cars, but I just can't find them interesting. I dig tesla's designs, (at least, the Model S) but there's just no excitement to them. they are all just... sort of sterile and joyless. there's something primitive yet satisfying about a gas powered car, from the sound it makes to the little details of fixing it yourself, or smelling that gasoline smell, i dont know.
>>15272889
>muh e-peen
Stay mad electon boy, the only chicks you'll pick up in your Tesla are SFBay girls with hair pits. Call me when the graphene batteries come out and I'll consider giving a damn. Until then, electric cars are status symbols for people with more money than sense.
>>15272988
hahah if only it were that simple in the age of the smart[insert device] even normal cars have computers in them, electric cars are outright computers on wheels, so theres also a software component to it, its not just motors hooked to a battery. Even gas powered cars have bullshit software nonsense in them that needs a computer to fix
>>15273266
this but foxbody is spic-bait and poorfag V8.
>>15273271
Yeah i know it's fucking gay.
Leave my car without starting it for a week and it don't want to crank.
Leave my 61 for a week and it fires up before i can take the key off the starter.
>>15272415
>he chooses to try justifying his small penis instead of making up for it
>>15273233
not really. Terrorism is, specifically an act, usually a mass killing of some sort, meant to inspire fear.
9/11, was a terrorist attack. Al-Quaeda/Bush/Jews did it to specifically break the American spirit and sense of untouchability.
isis does shit in the name of islam, specifically to instill fear into those who they consider enemies.
the colombine shooters were just 2 sociopath social rejects who went on a killing spree to go out with a bang. No greater agenda to isnpire "terror" in a mass populace. just to fuck people's shit up
terrorism is fairly easy to define.
>>15273281
>spic-bait
Are they not redneck bait?
>>15273309
>meant to inspire fear.
Yes but then mischief night could be considered rampant terrorism.
>>15273313
nah, that's third-gen F-bodies.
>>15273323
Lel
>>15273309
>implying 9/11 wasn't done to steal muh freedums via the patriot act
>>15273338
it's one of those people
>>15273338
still involves instilling fear. That doesnt negate what i said
>>15273346
yes you are correct
>>15273309
thats funny because you could make an argument about how 9/11 was not terrorism since one could arguee that not every american got his "american spirit", whatever that is and on the contrary, some people became really scared of going to school after colombine
>>15273118
>no one would give a crap about all these shootings
As somebody who lives in Virginia I think its safe to say people cared very much about the tech shooting.
>>15273357
I suppose it boils down to the intent more than the result
>>15272272
>100 IQ
I really like car culture but that might be too generous. The avearge IQ in the US is only about 98 and car people here seem to be below average. A lot of people who claim to be into cars don't really seem to know anything about cars though. Whenever I've conversed with people who are actually involved in the industry they seem pretty intelligent.
>>15272272
>electric cars
>new technology
No
>>15272353
What's it's range? 700m?
lel gtfo here
My $200 milwaukee uses a more advanced motor than the tesla roadster
>>15272705
>Electric cars so good guys
>Save the environment
>Electric engine better than gas engine
>You can swap the engine with a nice gas powered engine
cool
>>15272272
insulting the collective IQ of an entire comunity is a surefire way to denounce your onw low IQ.
>>15274503
>single-dc motor
Right m9 I rip DC motors apart all the time and their simple as fuck.
Teslas on the otherhand use three-phase ac motors and they are all brushless motors. Now granted the vvvf hardware on Teslas are quite literally from 1993 there isn't any excuse really.
