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A thread for our beloved econobox pocket rockets. Talk experiences, ask for advice and questions and generally shitpost about the Fiesta ST.
>"The Last Good Version" Edition
What was the last good version of your favourite hot hatch, or are they still making it?
>What is a "Hot Hatch"?
A Hot Hatch is a manufacturer produced, performance oriented variant of a standard hatchback, designed for improved handling, increased top speed, acceleration and generally enhance the driving experience.
>Are all Hot Hatches FWD?
No. Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are AWD or even RWD.
>Isn't FWD shit?
No. Just because you can't get the arse out by stamping on the accelerator doesn't mean you can't have fun.
>Aren't Hot Hatches just for Europoors?
No; with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST to joining the MS3 and Abarth in the US, it seems like the Hot Hatch is beginning to take off on the other side of the Atlantic, but Europoors definitely have more choice.
>Is the Fiesta ST actually good?
The Fiesta ST is one of the best small hot hatches on offer at the minute; so yeah they're pretty good.
>>15232284
>girl cars general
Should i try and buy a Honda ep3 or go for a Focus/Fiesta ST?
I havent driven any of them but i need a new commuter car once i get bored of my project car.
Ill be commuting 120+ miles a day, which one would be comfiest?
>>15232286
This is not a miata thread
>>15232316
Yaris
>>15232321
Thats gay men.
Not teenage girls
>>15232316
An EP3 for 120 miles a day will be tiring.
>>15232335
Why differentiate a dog from a table? Theyre both made of carbon you fucking bigot
>>15232325
No i hate that bullshit center of the dash gauge cluster.
>>15232342
Cant be worse than my project/commuter car, its 34 years old.
>>15232352
I take that back, i see newer Yaris' dont have that
>>15232352
So get a newer one.
Still cheaper and better than the ST
>>15232363
Yeah i just saw that, pic related
Hows the Matrix?
I have an RSX right now but I kinda want a hot hatch for more space.
I'm a poorfag college student, what are my options
>>15232375
I really enjoyed the matrix.
Never got to drive the xrs though....
>>15232380
I figure the XRS would be slower since its heavier.
Drove my friends base model Matrix and holy fuck is it gutless, my 34 year old Corolla has more balls
>>15232418
XRS is the 170hp 2zz model.
I drove a celica gts with the 180hp engine and it was bretty fun.
>>15232316
Definitely at least drive the Fiesta ST before making your decision.
Pretty much the greatest commuter ever made, and it will slowly take more and more of your attention away from your actual project car.
>>15232731
Lol im already getting kinda bored with it.
I figure by the end lf the year ill get rid of it.
>>15232745
I mean, it's still primarily a commuter/econobox. But it's a fun one that you can pretty much take as far as you want.
>>15232325
The Yaris isn't hot though. Not even warm.
>>15232316
120 miles a day? Get a fucking motorcycle.
>>15232745
What do you have? E-70?
>>15232824
http://www.zageturbo.com/index.php/main/products#/details?cid=14&id=10
>tfw want to make a toasty yaris or fit
>someone talk me out of tarboing one of these 2
>>15232907
>turboing a Fit
K20 swap it you fool
>>15232925
But that kills a meme, fit already has a VTEC engine, all be it a low output one.
>>15232948
The K20 is one of the most responsive engines to upgrades and a tune, and the fact that it starts off with 190 HP isn't a bad starting point at all, for all the money spent and the work that will have to be done turboing a Fit, you might as well swap the k20 because you get the same or better power at stock performance and will be infinitely more reliable
>>15232883
Te72
>>15232823
I just want something thats not a project, im tired of working on cars
>>15232870
Nowhere to store all my tools or work gear
>>15232978
Is that the coupe? If not which body style is it?
>>15232284
>favorite I've driven
500 Abarth. It's just a ton of fun, and I love how it sounds.
>favorite overall
Probably the Focus RS.
I kind of wish Kia would do a hot Rio or something. I know how /o/ feels about Korean cars, but my first car was a Rio I shared with my dad and it was surprisingly fun just to toss around parking lots and do silly stuff like handbrake turns. It also was dead reliable, aside from the time a sensor went bad and Kia replaced it under warranty.
>>15232980
Its the hardtop
>>15232962
>yes goyim only 4k for a k20
http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-04-HONDA-INTEGRA-TYPE-R-DC5-ACURA-RSX-ENGINE-6SPD-LSD-TRANS-ECU-JDM-K20A-Y2M3-/282054548402?hash=item41abc2dbb2
>>15232284
>Mexicans stole your stereo/ac unit and cut the cords
>I now have the task of tracing all ~60 wires and soldering appropriate wires to the new harness
Hold me /o/
>>15233039
Have you moved away from the Mexicans yet, or are you still in the same place? I would probably just leave the radio out so they don't take it again. A friend of mine lived in a shitty neighborhood and kept putting stereos back in his car, and they kept stealing them.
>>15232962
>engine swaps are easier and more cost effective
kek you fell for the meme
>>15233035
>JDM K20A
>Not getting the more available and cheaper K24A2
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172226681680
You were saying
>American'ts LITERALLY have the choice of muh fiesta st or mazdaspeed 3 for their affordable hot hatches, which compromises half of their affordable sports car range
literally kekking myself
>>15233063
>>15233006
Tell me more about these.
Im seeing them for under 13k
>>15233072
I would totally rock one of these
2012 Abarth here. Loads of fun, I've had it since Sept. '14. I'm in Houston too, considering going to one of the /hou/ meets some day.
It's p stock, I am wanting to get the GoPedal for it and a front sway bar within the next few weeks.
I had a Trump sticker on the back and it looked great but I had to regularly go to some ghetto areas for a while and niggers would key my car and yell at me and shit for it so I took it off for the time being.
I also plan on shopping around in the /osg/ for some sticks + getting another Trump one.
I mean I really don't want to do much to this car, it's fun as it is.
Pic was taken today, my baby hasn't been washed in weeks cause of all the rain.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/suzuki-ceo-steps-wake-false-mpg-reporting/
suzuki on seppuku watch.
>>15233175
It's the American market variant of the European Kia Pro-Cee'd GT
>>15233237
check out 500madness m8 maybe you find something for ya baby
>tfw not even warmed up hatch
europe yaay
>>15233072
ayyyyyyy
is this car actually considered a hot hatch?
180hp if that matters
>>15233047
I have to replace the AC console and everything. They pried it out and just cut or pulled the wires, I'm not sure because I can't find all the wires that correspond to the harness, I spent like 2 hours yesterday looking for them but no luck.
Also no I did not move away from the Mexicans, I am Mexican myself
>>15233335
No.
I want a three door Mazda 3 RIGHT NOW
>>15233441
>I am Mexican myself
As the Abarth owner above, and a White Texan myself, I can now safely disregard your opinion. Thank you for building my car.
>>15233319
Yeah man I've spent a while browsing around there-- that's where I found out about the GoPedal. Still not sure what to do to it after the GoPedal/sway bar tho.
>>15233053
The K-series is too big and too heavy for the Fit. It would ruin its handling. Forced induction is the better option.
>>15233237
>had take off Trump sticker because of coping gibsmedats
Imagine that
>>15233527
>It would ruin its handling.
>implying the handling isn't already trash due to the twist beam rear axle.
>>15233237
>fiat cuckold
>too scared of having a political sticker and having to deal with fags that scratch his car
top kek
>>15233474
>owns an abarth
>holier-than-thou attitude
top kek
>>15233586
Fair enough, I'll give you that. In my defense, it wasn't so much me being scared as it was me not wanting my tires slashed while unattended etc. It was a money thing.
>>15233693
>is Mexican
>has a valid opinion
top kek
>>15233760
>yfw trump supporters act really tough on the internet but are scared of plastering a sticker on their car
maximum cuckold
>tfw no volvo c30 polestar edition
>>15233237
What kind of MPGs you getting?
Does it have an easy time getting on the freeway?
Maintenance?
>>15233772
Fuck u got me
I'm out
>>15233784
I don't keep track of MPGs but if I fill up on 87 it doesn't usually cost me more than ~$20 a tank, and I drive at least 20 miles every other day, and I go at least a week without filling up. I also drive like an asshole 80% of the time and shift a lot higher than 2k so that probably doesn't help.
Maintenance is easy. I know fiat gets shit for being hard to maintain but I haven't had to do anything besides replacing brake pads and oil changes.
>>15232978
Mines tuned and pretty much full bolt ons, I've only had to change the oil and replace the tires in 22,000 miles.
>>15233772
>A bernie/Shildog supporter calling trump supporters cucked.
TOP MAGA M8
>>15233808
Oh, and 30mpgs/combined on my 93 tune (25 on e30) , probably closer to 35 highway.
>>15233804
I should add on that it has zero problem getting onto the freeway, and if I want to pass someone it's as easy as dropping two gears and putting it in sport mode.
so what's the deal with these? They are shitting on the GTI in every possible was for almost the same price.
>>15233905
that IS a GTI basically.
![stock-photo-a-group-of-five-happy-women-of-different-ages-laughing-in-the-living-room-100832821[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tce8ThI.jpg "stock-photo-a-group-of-five-happy-women-of-different-ages-laughing-in-the-living-room-100832821[1].jpg")
>>15233810
>"and then he said he supported trump"
>>15233772
>stickers on his car
i'm sorry.
i'm not 12 anymore.
>>15233905
superior RWD
>>15233905
worse materials and a shitty looking interior
>>15234211
'No'
>>15233808
Are you guys allowed the EUDM Headlight units, or would they not meet regulations over there? Something about the USDM lights bothers me, just make the car look more cheap.
>>15233808
Whats the difference between the ST and a Platinum?
10k for a Platinum, 15-18k for an ST
>>15234400
You.dont get the 1.6 turbo in the Platinum you dolt
>>15234406
Why are you so angry?
>>15232376
More space in what way? I used to have a DC5 Type R and the boot was bigger than my Fiesta St, but the Fiesta has more space in the back seats
can AE92 play here? I know we're coupes but I like to believe we are brothers in being FWD underdog
please?
everyone hates my car and makes fun of it
>>15235637
I don't hate your car anon, they're fucking sweet, look up a YouTube channel called 7agte, guys got a 500hp turbo ae92
>>15234400
The ST is sporty (something like 200+ total differences between the ST and base Fiesta, including forged rods and some other nice go fast duds), the Platinum is just high trim econobox.
>>15234369
Yeah, but they cost something like $900 to be purchased and shipped from the UK to the States, and they aren't DOT approved headlamps if I recall. Even then you have to add a pin to the wiring harness (if i recall) so that the LED DRL strips work.
im a 6' 2" 230lb freetard, would i fit in a fiesta, fit, yaris and the like?
>>15235881
>freetard
No, because neither of them are open source
>>15235906
>implying open source software is always free
>>15235918
>implying it's free as in free lunch
>>15235647
>tfw dont have the money for that
i just have a stock 4age anon
how do I make my car handle better? weight reduction? suspension?
maybe if I'm fast in the corners....
>>15232316
>120+ miles a day
Yo what the fuck?
>>15235966
To make it handle better I would start with tires, but if you're running on stockers I would hold off and do the suspension first including either springs and struts/shocks or a decent set of coil overs and a strut tower bar in the front maybe some anti-sway bars and replace the end links and maybe the controls arms and replace the suspension bushings while at it, then get new wheels and tires
>>15235977
i have a completely stock ae92 gts, thanks for the help anon.
is the ae92 a decent thing to even bother tuning though? I don't know.
>>15236001
Tuning as far as what? It all depends on what YOU want to do and whether YOU think it's feasible to do so, people will have their opinions,but so fucking what? If it's what you want to do then fucking do it and to hell with anyone else and their shitty opinions
>>15236019
i've had it for a few years now, it's my first and only car and the car I learned stick on.
I don't know why I care so much about the opinions of others, i guess the
>FWD
stigma all through car culture is starting to snake into my brain
>>15236036
Fuck that stupid >FWD bullshit, there are great cars that handle well and are FWD, yours is one of them if I'm not mistaken, I had an EM1 Si and I loved how it handled and people did still give me shit for putting money into, but fuck 'em I knew I wasn't going to get my money back for the mods spent, I knew the mods wouldn't add any value, it was all intrinsic value and that's really what matters because buying a car and trying to treat it as an investment is fucking stupid unless it's a future classic
I was looking at the Fiesta ST, but it was pretty small, didn't have that many options, and honestly, the MazdaSpeed3 I ended up buying was the color I liked, offered more space, had the larger/more powerful 2.3l engine, had the tech package, and cost $6k less (used).
Overall, I would of liked the lower curbweight and better mpg from the Fiesta, but the added size, options, and increased displacement/power is what made me pick the MS3 instead.
That being said, I really like the Fiesta and Focus.
>>15236054
this
the ae92 isn't even a bad car, it's pretty light , has a short wheelbase , access to all the good old school toyota goodies,plus pop ups if it's a trueno
>>15236158
His is a USDM GT-S, and yes it has pop-ups
>>15236054
FF is for shitters. It has no performance advantages on a perfect clean track or touge and in fact has disadvantages , most "performance fwd" tries to lessen this by being sub 2000 pounds but the shitty AE92 is heavy as fuck. How could Toyota follow up AE86 with AE92? Ridiculous .
>>15236195
Shut the fuck up
A) you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about
B) you're just some shitposter
C) he isn't going to be running it on the track
D) All the above
>>15236210
>he isn't going to track it
Because it's FF?
>>15236072
MS3 is also a great choice.
America finally has a few different hot hatches to choose from with the MS3, 500 Abarth, Focus ST/RS, Golf GTI/R, and Fiesta ST.
Hopefully the trend continues.
>>15236222
No, because he's not a benchracing faggot like you
I have no clue if he is or not, I doubt he is because he doesn't have enough money from what he posted, he probably just wants to hoon around a bit
>>15236245
Suck my Miata cock
>>15236257
is this how Miatafags greet each other?
>>15236266
At least I'm FR asshole, that AE92 couldn't touch me.
>>15236271
but you can't outrun a ff Honda Prelude in a straight line or through the corners.
>>15236227
There's also the recent trend of lukewarm hatches
Hyundai Veloster Turbo
Kia Forte5 SX Turbo
Fiat 500 Turbo (Not the Abarth. 135 HP version of the 1.4L Turbo)
Scion tC
Mini Cooper S
Chevrolet Sonic RS
>>15236305
>TFW my hatch is only considered warm
it feels hot to me...
>>15236305
Mini coopers are pretty hot anon it's just that they have reliability issues and can be expensive to maintain
>America will never get SEAT
>America will never get type r
>>15236341
Honda already confirmed the next Civic Type R is coming stateside.
good hot hatches under 15k and made after 2008?
This is for american markets, and it must be a manual.
>>15236667
Used slightly old Fiesta ST ?
Civic Si?
Golf GTi ?
>>15236667
Golf GTI, Mazdaspeed3, Subaru Impreza WRX
autox this weekend
what are you /hhg/ets up to ?
>>15236725
Going to a junkyard tomorrow to find wheels that fit and have shitty burnt to hell tires so I can rip mad skids with my friend in a s14 at the track
>>15236683
I can't find any under 15 in Florida.
She doesn't like the Civic SI and is not keen on VW after her jetta shit out on her hard. Do the newer GTIs have issues with the headliners falling still?
>>15236695
Speed 3 is being considered, but would torque steer be a problem for someone learning to drive manual?
WRXs do not exist in decent condition in Central FL it seems.
>>15236753
>torque steer be a problem for someone learning to drive manual
no. it's not even a problem if you go wot in 1/2. just keep your grip on the wheel enough.
yeah wrx keep their price up. kinda ridiculous what the newer low miles hatches go for.
>>15236746
What's bad about the civic si?
I don't think torque steer is a problem unless they take up street racing
>>15236753
torque steer isn't a huge problem
And while not a hatchback, look up the 2008-2010 Chevy Cobalt SS Turbo. Fantastic car, but it's not a hatchback.
>>15236765
>What's bad about the civic si?
a lack of power compared to its contemporaries. That's about it.
>>15236776
OH yeah Honda usdm kinda flubbed it didn't it
>>15236776
>turns itself off and crashes againts a tree, killing you in the process
>fantastic
>>15236765
she just doesn't like the body styles available to her. She would prefer like an EK or EG hatch but her mom is funding part of this and set the year criteria.
>>15236787
I think MS3 may be your best option , USDM hot hatches haven't dropped to that price yet
>>15236781
oh look. A meme.
>>15236804
>meme
>>15236725
Preparing for our big Le Mans roadtrip next Thursday. This shit is going to be good.
gulfs are so hot.
I need a new car. Part of me is saying get a sensible hot hatch, like a new Abarth, FiST, Clio or Polo GTI, part of me is saying go for a Megane RS or a Golf GTI Culbsport, and part of me is sayibg fuck it, get a used VXR8 and cripple myself with the fuel and maintenance bills.
>>15237327
gulves
>>15237327
That isn't a hot Golf.
>>15237528
It's hotter than your golf.
The MK7's are sexy
>>15237534
I don't own a Golf, though I am considering trying to buy a GTI Culbsport
>>15237654
just buy a used Mk7 gti and tune it, you'll save tons of money
>>15234040
I tell people this all the time and nobody is sure if I'm serious or fucking with people
>>15237332
Mate, don't get a VXR8. My mate got the new series Commodore SS (with the LS3 engine, same you get in the VXR8) and he sold it after two weeks. It drinks more fuel than a spaceship launching and the chassis can't put down the power. The car breaks traction in every gear and this was on the dry australian roads. I couldn't imagine what it's like on wet European roads. The car just couldn't manage the power output.
I'd get a Golf GTI Clubsport. They're beautiful cars
>>15238160
Yeah, the VXR8 is probably a bad call, I was struggling enough to maintain a 25MPG Clio RS, so I probably shouldn't really go for less efficient
How is FF good? Not sporty at all, just ecobox
what is a good compact dash cam? I don't need a screen with it
>>15240010
make your own thread for this.
>>15240556
I can't, my ip range is blocked from 4Chan for some reason. (on cell Internet, moved to New apartment.) not sure why.
want to make a thread for me? same post, image? link it here?
>>15240746
YOU LIVE WITH COREY HOLY SHIT
I see FiSTs everywhere, and it's putting me off buying one. I want my hot hatch to feel special
>>15242734
Illegally import a seat cupra
>>15242734
Buy a Kia or Hyundai hot hatch if you can live with being made fun of
>>15242734
Drive one, you'll see why people buy them.
>>15233441
Nigger, what AC console did they pry out and how? Its got 2 screws one on each side that you can reach unless you remove the glovebox and the inside fuse panel and even then its still a pain in the butt. And theres no 60 wires even if you double them.
Mexicans didnt steal your AC console because you havent got one.
>>15234219
>shitty looking interior
90% of the parts in the interior are same as in the Golf
never ever :(
>>15244739
at least its not FF
>>15244743
>dissing the 205 GTI
>>15244754
Fwd is awful for real performance
>>15243611
I could legally just go out and buy a Cupra. The wonders of England.
>>15232316
buy ep3, dump the k20 into an EK or EF..have fun
>>15244783
What does that even mean? POWAAAR? Wow, it's fucking nothing.
>tfw no EK9
Can older rear-engined, go-fast, econoboxes be considered as hothatches?
Renault R8 Gordini
NSU Prinz TTS
Fiat 600 Abarth(and 500 and 850)
>>15244831
The NSU isn't a hatch. But it's fun as fuck.
What's a good rear wheel to actual end of car ratio? Whats an example of a bad one?
>>15244831
>National Sozialistische Union
those pesky germans
>>15244839
Yes, that is my point exactly. It is like a hot hatch, but it has a frunk,,,
I bought a used 2012 MazdaSpeed3 w/ tech package about a month ago. I'm liking it alot. I'm keeping it stock for awhile before I figure out what my goals/mods will be.
So far, i'm just gonna go with simple bolt-ons and tune, springs, shocks, swaybars, lighter wheels, and a mild brake upgrade.
Just an overall improvement in power (probably around 350hp), handling, and braking, while keeping driveability.
