This is all the GT86 had to be. This is all it needed. Here's the template.
How would you spec it out so that it's still cheaper than the current Toyobaru while still offering around the same ballpark.
that's an okay looking bar of soap.
>2zz ge
>barebones interior, something like a old stock Honda type r model
>windy windows
>ac optional
>ps optional
>passenger side mirror optional
>electronic locking mechanism optional, otherwise just plain metal key into ignition
>>15204985
congrats, you spec'd a car that would be a financial failure
>>15204994
kinda like a frs :)
>>15204985
heh
keep the airbags, tcs, anti lock brakes, stability system?
you little pussy
>>15204934
>tfw you'd rather have the OP pic than what the action brz/frs looks like
>>15205006
Holy shit you're right, just have all that shit optioned out
>>15204985
Two doors With the transmission and rear axle it has now.
Of course have a loaded option because but also have a lightest base model.
Good bucket seats.
>>15205017
backseats optional
I honestly wonder how cheap something like >>15204985
>>15205006
>>15205017
would be to produce.
Just a coupe already existing toyota chassis, paired with an already existing engine. The only thing would be the RWD. There would be nothing fancy that could break or would cost money to develop, no weird partnership with Subaru.
>>15204985
It's not the 80's anymore buddy... Nobody aside from car enthusiasts and /o/ autists would option a corolla like that.
>>15205000
Best year in the US for the FR-S I think was 18K units? Mazda has NEVER sold 18,000 MX-5's in a year. Closest I think is just shy of 17K units back in 2006
Granted I'm not a FR-S fanboy, but it's hardly been a financial failure, it's shortcomings were elsewhere
>>15205038
To get it past crash test safety, about 12-14K. You already have cars pushing the price basement on the market right now and that's about as cheaply as they can be made.
>>15205038
plus the 2zz ge is a tried and true engine with good tuning potential that wont blow up or start falling apart if you try to do anything to it a like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h63qv9ScdXI
>>15205045
the point isn't whether or not everyone or nobody takes the bare bones model (and there will certainly be poorfags who do that) its that the options exist and being able to have that optioning freedom again to pick and choose each detail on such a cheap car, plus those extremely cut back no options models would save $$$
>>15204994
We just want a two door lift back corolla with rwd and the only power options standard are in the engine. Yes I own a brz but I want a mundane car that I can drift for 15k new off the lot. And I understand why it will never happen. That's why we are having a "whatcha want thread" let the anons dream
>>15205038
literally illegal in america without tc and a million airbags reversing cameras and everything else
>>15205074
Thankfully we can turn it off!
>>15205068
no one wants a 1300kg+ car with 100lbft and rightly so
>>15205085
It would sell like hotcakes in the autocross and drift scene. Make a factory race series.
>>15205101
>buying a new car to do autocross and drifting
>>15205106
that's literally what's happening right now
>>15205074
No it's not.
>>15205106
>Questioning a customers choices
I bought a slightly used brz and brought it to autocross 3 days later. A dealer in my area won the gt350r lottery and ran his allotment the day before he sold it with a markup. It's a performance car. Drive it pussy.
>>15205120
Airbags, traction control and abs mandatory.
>>15205128
the "new car so i can skid it round some cones in a parking lot market" is a small one.
personally i wouldn't build my business around it
>>15205057
The problem is bare bone model cars aren't very profitable for either dealerships or manufactures, they don't sell in high numbers and are the least valuable to most people buying first or second hand.
So why would Toyota for example want to invest lots of money into a car focused at a financially poor target audience or minority car enthusiasts? Historically both groups are proven to buy used cars because they offer a better overall value in multiple aspects.
>>15204934
if they slapped a shitty little turbo on the brz it'd be /perfecto/
>>15205143
Why do people buy the gt86 over used cars?
Unless I'm thinking it wrong, when they option out a car the stock build would be the bare bones model and then they'd just add whatever options they requested
it wouldn't really be a
>I have a gt86 type R or gt86 LS or gt86 XRS
but just more how cars use to be done
>i have a gt86 no passenger mirror but electronic locks , abs, ac, and ps
>>15204934
Looks like a forte koup
>>15205142
Yeah that's why you build like 10% as strippers and the majority just 2door coupes with normal corolla engines and offer awd. market the rwd as the gt-s. It could be built up as a premium or the xrs option with no boxes but stereo and fog lights checked. Awd sells like mad, hardcore tools get the xrs. Casuals get the gt-s and Toyota has a drift car to show off at formula drift that isnt a faked fwd TC.
>>15205188
Huh that's interesting
>>15205163
>why do people buy the gt86 over used cars
isnt that the question of the day
>>15205200
Because it has to be sold new to be resold used? You realize most auto brzs in my area are driven by grandmas right?
>>15205212
but what if you just didnt buy a gt86
>you will never live in a world where this exists and you bought it new for cheap and just thrash it
>>15205215
You would have to drive a boring shitbox. What if the government mandated you buy a Yugo? That is about as relevant to the discussion. I want a 2 door rwd corolla. Fuck it gimme a rwd startlet reboot.
>>15205260
Because Toyota engineers think like >>15205106
>>15205200
>>15205215
>>15205266
what i was arguing is instead of buying the current gt86 new you could just buy a used car because seriously the gt86 is such a pointles car if you live in america and maybe even other places at its current price
>>15205274
You are arguing with a owner who doesn't agree with you. It doesn't matter what you say, I like it. I'm glad I bought it and it is not a bad car. It's the nicest car I have ever owned and I don't know why you have any issues with me thinking that.
>>15205273
To be fair, most car companies aren't keen on taking many risks right now/sell to the lowest common denominator.
Toyota killed Scion mainly because millennials buyers didn't "feel" it had the same reputation for quality as Toyota, even though any half educated car person knows they are the same thing.
The success of marketing crossovers to millennials is why the next Z car from Nissan is going to be one.
>>15205301
I also drive valet so I know what the other cars out are like. I also can't get them so i could have a busted z4 or my car. Guess what I pick?
>>15205301
how in the world did you turn this around and make it seem like i was attacking you
>>15204934
Holy shit that would look so sexy as a stripped down bare bones no passenger mirror model
>optional foglights?
>>15205312
They should build it with a chassis that doesn't need a tubular rollbar and market it as "safe enough for racing" and have one wreck by getting rammed off course and have the driver get out a get into one that doesn't have numbers like the Nissan commercial. Fuck millennials. They don't know shit
>>15205329
O P T I O N A L B A D G I N G
>>15205322
Literally everyone on 4chan says "but a used car is..." and it is stupid. A used car is tired and abused. If I want that car I buy it. I don't want a shitbox that's not a brz. I want my brz shitbox. The only thing I want more is
>>15205188
>>15205343
Can't have no branding, but you can choose between the actual badge and a literal burned in logo with a cattle prod , the burn in is cheaper
>optional paint and wax
You get just what rolled off the industry line with the Toyota logo burned into the fuckin hood
>>15205384
The only paint is the logo and clear coat
>>15205337
You can tell what way the wind is blowing when the design chief at NIssan said, on record, that they company only has room for 2 sports cars, and the GT-R will always be one, and that the next Z car needed more "revolution than evolution" aka "we are gonna build whatever we can shovel the most units of"
>>15205411
Nissan is a shit.
>>15205493
id rather a nissan figaro then gt86
>>15205683
It's not in America. Hope you are patient. Enjoy the CVT of an "amusingly styled economy car"
>>15205695
least i dont have to drive a "hillariously pathetic 'sports car'"
>>15204994
this
the sad fact is stripped down cars with solid handling don't sell for dick
>>15204934
>RWD
>2ZZ
>>15205054
>miatas sold for over a decade
>FRS for barely three years
You have to look at percent incline and decline over time to really judge something like that, otherwise you would have to be comparing the first few years of production of the mx5 only with what info we have now for the FRS, which would of course be immediately skewed by the differences in car culture and the average auto buyer of the time.
I say this as a fan of nothing, I'm not even really in love with the new toy I own right now. It will however be very interesting to watch the future of the GT86, especially after the brand roll-in. The market for new vehicles is in such a bizarre flux right now in emerging-trend setting areas like modern high population city centers, and when you couple that with a manufacturers seeming uncertainty about a specific brand model that has never been produced before, it makes forecasting nearly impossible.
>>15205754
is not that hard
>>15205773
a 2zz that meets modern regs is so hard they might as well start with a clean sheet.
it was pretty weak when it first come out so imagine it choked even harder
>>15205794
i was just trying to think of a recent toyota dohc vaguely sporty engine and i could only think of 2zz and 4age blacktop
i guess a new 4age would fit though
>>15204934
The toyobaru is fine it just needed an lsd and a proper toyota engine. I'd buy a beams 3sg swapped one without hesitation.
>>15205838
But i want to bring the base model down to the 15k price range or even less Mr Hogan!!
>>15205838
>it just needed an lsd
I'm pretty sure all the USDM Toyobarus come with a Torsen standard.
>>15205794
>it was pretty weak
180hp 1.8L was weak?
>>15205847
They could do a GM and sell it at a loss. gt86 is more of a secondary car and happy customers will be more likely to buy primary vehicles like suvs, trucks etc.
>>15205894
189hp in the lotus
>>15205794
they have the 8AR-FTS now
>>15204934
if they use the corolla chassis to save money, wouldn't it have to be FWD?
>>15205981
is this nigger for real
>>15205999
walruse'd
>>15205981
Think they mean one of the 80s one, like that one the tofu kid in the nip cartoons drives
>>15206057
WHAT
THE
FFFUCK
ITS CALLED AN AE86 YOU FUCKING STUPID ASS NIGGER ITS A TOYOTA SPRINTER TRUENO THE LAST RWD SPRINTER AND IT RAN ON THE 4AGE AND HOLY SHIT WAS IT FUCKING AMAZING. THAT FUCKING CAR WOULD GIVE AN ACURA NSX A RUN FOR ITS MONEY. GO FUCK YOURSELF AND READ A BOOK.
>>15206075
ae68 yeah something like that anyway it's a piece of shit but i don't think op is looking for a fast car really, but you say it almost keeps up with acuras which are just hondas so it's definitely slow enough to keep insurance costs down
>>15206088
It could beat whatever piece of SHIT you drive.
>>15205999
>>15206057
The original AE86 was basically a Corolla Coupe. It was RWD because the Corolla platform at the time was RWD.
OP has a render of a modern corolla coupe, its platform is strictly fwd.
>>15206104
What the fuck
>>15206102
V8 doesn't scare
>>15206117
> This model, from 1983, moved the Corolla into front-wheel drive, except for the AE85 and AE86 Corolla Levin / Sprinter Trueno models (SR-5 / GT-S in USA) which continued on the older rear-wheel drive platform
AE86 uses the older corolla rwd chassis (e70), not the e80
>>15206169
Wow you're dumb
>>15204934
>Call it Corolla RE (rally edition) - Because why give it a new name? It can just use a modified corolla chassis. Everyone knows the corolla, It's legendary.
>V6 From the camry - 268 HP
>AWD
>stiffer suspension
>Curb weight 3200lbs
Base package:
>Standard radio w/ bluetooth, aux, and decent 6 speaker sound
>17" alloys
>Cloth interior (with RS Logo/whatever the fuck)
>Lens style headlights Halogen
Tech/whatever package:
>Touch screen nav with all the bells whistles, keyless, remote start, etc and 8 speaker Infinity system
>18" alloys
>Led tail lights
>Xenon Headlights
Optional:
Sunroof
Remote start
Tint
Splash guards
MSRP: 30-35k depending on options
BONUS LEVEL: HATCH VERSION
>OH SHIT WADDUP HERE COME DAT BOI TOYOTA SHITTING ON EVERYONE.
>>15206246
Guess what, they get to keep their toyobaru too.
>All the non-fuckbois, cool dads, and generally smart people will buy this car.
>Rally edition name will scare off the old people and soccer moms hopefully, so it wont cut in to regular 4 door corolla and camry sales
>Won't cut in to avalon sales because not a luxury barge
It's a win for everyone..
Whyd Toyota have to use that shitty boxxer engine for the frs? It wouldve been way better with a 2zz stock and for mods.
>>15205760
N E V E R
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>>15204934
RWD Aurion.
Styling closer to the 06' model than the later ones though.
>>15204985
>most stolen car in america 2017
Gud jab /o/
>>15204934
Actually toyota is selling it in japan.
>>15206639
>No LSD
D r o p p e d
>>15206618
>mfw I see this exact car but debadged for the first time and I could not figure out what the fuck it is
>I live in the U.S
So you're telling me someone actually spent money to make his corolla into an aurion in the US?
>>15205057
dude says the S2000 stock was a better car.
it's almost as if the S2000 was a 70K car designed for the track and the FRS el-cheapo car for young adults.
>>15205054
In 1989 it's first year of production it sold 23,000 in the us alone.
>>15205054
In australia and also japan the FRS has been crazy successful.
>>15204934
wew this looks absolutely horrible. toyota is really getting worse and worse at designing.
>>15205894
Yeah my 1.8 civic makes more than that.
>>15206827
Stop lying to yourself.
>>15204985
>>ac optional
>>ps optional
>>passenger side mirror optional
>>electronic locking mechanism optional, otherwise just plain metal key into ignition
Literally nobody would buy it without those
>>15204934
If the GT86 was ~200kW or more I'd buy it right away.
Would a 6 cylinder boxer work well?
>>15206952
I would
>>15206952
I would
>>15208047
>>15208143
you're too poor to consider
>>15208172
but if it was a thing in real life i'd be able to afford it and buy it new
>>15207135
fuck a boxer. put a proper inline 4/6 or v6 and be done with it.
>>15206633
people steal the most commonly available vehicles because that means they have a bigger market if they want to part the car out or re-sell it.
Also, I can steal a silver civic and blend in with the other billion silver civics in the area.
>>15208172
>bringing products to a market that is usually forgotten and not accommodated is a bad idea!
>>15205301
lol just wait until the chirping/rattling gets worse. Everything will begin to rattle, downshifting, the windows, the rear, the flywheel
I'm sorry to say this man, but you bought a hunk of shit. The only people who are gonna wanna buy that thing used are morons or dealerships.
>>15206088
>>15206102
I wanna say samefag, but if not, the guy typing in caps is probably a massive faggot benchracer
>>15208246
It is when most of that market is poor and the market size is considerably smaller
Not only that, but Toyota and Subaru love the BRZ/FRS/GT86 since they sell like fucking hotcakes in the US, Australia and Japan (Japan especially). Go look up Japanese car meets and like 10% of all the cars are GT86's.
>>15208436
>is poor
exactly, so you make the car affordable to them. now you see it.
>>15208452
I don't think you understand that the market for poorfags like you is serverely outweighed by regular people's market. No car manufacturer is willing to dump time and money into a car that will borderline fail emissions and safety tests to target a small and very whiny group when they can release a generic car that will let them rake in the dough because they had to put very little R&D into it, and just had to add more fucking techy gizmos and shit.
I would love it if a car manufacturer did just as you said, but it's a pipe dream, it'll never happen.
>>15208246
>designing products that cost tens of millions to design and aiming it at half a dozen indecisive poor people is a good idea!
>>15208512
I don't think you really understand this.
>>15208525
Nah, you're wrong.
Fuck gt86
>>15208560
>I'm right your wrong
Maybe when your balls drop and you graduate high school you'll understand basic economics, that is, if you're white; otherwise, enjoy being a minority driving rusted out civcs and impalas for the rest of your poorfag life.
>>15210247
You haven't given one reason for why it would be bad economics other then "its bad economics it would fail nobody cares"
Are you really this immature?
Why are so many people posting in a thread about "how to make the 86 good" and saying it will never happen and the 86 was never gud. We aren't building the car, we are talking about what we want for a drift/autocross/gt car that is cheap and Motorsports related.
>companies are more willing to run driveshaft to the rear wheels and RnD all this technology
>for crossovers and ""suv""
>>15210263
>its bad economics
that's all he needs to say.
>>15211053
I guess that works in your debate 101 class
>>15204994
Shut up you fucking dork. Clearly you know fuck all writing that sticky which is complete shit.
Go start a thread then samefag and praise yourself you fucking tool. You're without a doubt the worst trip on /o/ and your ego is not only unjustified it's cringe on a scale all on its own.
>>15211101
yes it works as the audience tends not to be dense as fuck
no need for a tangent explaining basic economics
>>15211177
Wew lad, why dont you go dance with the wolf girl.
>>15211177
>>15211053
Let's not get bogged down by logistics, economics and management. What do you want to have in your four cylinder na factory fun box ?
>>15211154
Lpg has great stories, decent advice and no imagination. He can stay but he can stfu about the never gonna happen /o/dream car
>>15211323
he's right though it's never gonna happen
just accept it and move on with your life m8
>>15211333
You have no imagination. You are a boring normie. Go reee in your Camry in stop and go traffic only
>>15206246
The Camry V6 won't fit.
replace the V6 with Toyota's new 8AR 2.0L Turbo making 243 HP. Could easily be made to fir using the subframe from the Scion tC, which already uses an AR-series engine.
>>15211361
sorry i'm just a little educated in some of the relevant subjects that informs such a position.
but a good day to you too sir!
>>15211413
>works as some failure selling shit heaps to dumbasses
>i know more then you :)
>>15211462
>normies reeeeeeeeeeeee!
>>15204934
>The 86 should be cheaper so I can buy one.
>>15211544
The 86 should be cheaper, so someone has a reason to buy it.
>>15211577
Plenty of people buy them m8. In 4 years more 86s were sold than the entire run of s2000s.
I bought one. Feels good man.
>>15211592
>implying that frs isn't a worse car in every way
>>15211592
Yeah, there's no reason to buy them either is the thing. It is only by hype.
>>15211596
My car is an FRS. What makes it worse?
>>15211602
Ok, enjoy your Genesis coupe or ecoboost Mustang friendo.
>>15211623
>enjoy your better cars
I...will?
Ecoboost, genesis, miata, civic type r
all of these can be had and are better.
All the 86 needed was a bigger engine
>>15211596
>>15211602
>86 should be cheaper so people could buy it
>but people are buying it only because of hype
>also its shit and shouldnt be bought
>>15211680
>he thinks those cars are better than the 86
every review disagrees, but i'm sure you know best
>>15211690
Or a small supercharger
250rwhp in this car with some sticky tires and lightweight wheels would be nuts.
>>15204934
I might buy a RWD Civic Si if that is what you are getting at OP.
>>15211738
you could, you know, add your own. you get a pretty awesome package and with a few thousand you can build it to be as quick as you want
>>15211738
the engine literally cant handle it, if you try to do tuning it'll explode
you will dump way more money then the car is worth into it
>>15211680
The mustang is just too large of a car and the genesis doesn't feel all that tight to me.
This is why differences exist, because not everyone likes what you like. A miata would be fine but I don't want a convertible, and unless I'm mistaken the civic type r isn't sold in the US yet, nor is it RWD.
>>15205006
All three of those things are federally mandated. You cannot sell a new car in the US right now without airbags or stability control, and stability control requires ABS.
>>15211759
>muh rwd
Welp, that's the kind of person you are huh? Alright #bye.
>>15211758
several companies do 280ish hp supercharger conversions with warranties and carb certification, stop talking outta your ass kid
>>15211779
stop with this shit
>>15211779
>on /o/
>complains about people who enjoy rwd
>>15211758
People have been reliably tracking with Jackson Racing superchargers for years.
>>15205154
wouldn't that bring up the insurance on the car?
>>15205301
>I spent very good money on a shitbox and must defend my purchase at any cost lest I admit poor personal choice and enter an existential crisis
This is an 86 love thread now
>>15211844
I've driven a lot of shitboxes and this one is the nicest desu
>>15205319
oh shit you're a valet here too?
>>15211832
it cant be worse anyway or they could sell the turbo models with good tires
>>15211891
I'd buy one, but I'd buy one used. I can understand buying it when it first came out and it was the new unknown, but buying it new after this is just plain baka desu.
>>15211902
hard to find a cheap used one unless it's been crashed
really makes more sense to me to just buy new
>>15211623
have you gotten in trouble for not having a front license plate?
>>15211848
That's dumb. That's like making a miata love thread, or an ae86 or whatever. It's like shouting in the street that you enjoy the flavor vanilla
>>15211932
I've never had a front license plate in California over 10 years and have never gotten a ticket.
It's probably because I'm a white, well groomed male and my cars are cared for.
>>15211955
Except the mustang would be vanillia. The 86 is Rocky Road.
>>15212107
Are you autistic? Who fucking gives a shit? The point is that it's not controversial and not interesting. The car doesn't need appreciation. How about you post about cars nobody ever talks about?
>>15212135
Are you Autistic?
You prolly jack off to cars we haven't seen
>>15212135
This is a thread dedicated to the gt86 you nignog. Why would I talk about the Plymouth Laser RS here?
Do you not like Rocky Road anon?
>>15212222
NObody understands your analogy. All I know is that there's a manual 240sx convertible for sale in decent condition with relatively low mileage and i am considering getting it over a prelude, ae92, and civic hatch because RWD
>>15212292
I'd go with the ae92 desu
Who is hyped for the refresh? I want those new optional wheels and brembos.
>>15212497
Why? huh? Why? Even over an integra?
Don't you realize the ae92 is FWD?
>>15211377
Boom. Direct FoST, WRX, etc competitor
>>15212527
Integra wasnt listed. If it was I would say integra. Rwd is not king. Those vert 240s must be a soggy nightmare. Preludes are overdone.
>>15212558
The 86 is already a better car than the focus St though...
>>15212574
its a sedan that's been ls vtec see >>15212483
is the 240sx convertible really so bad? I felt bad going for fwd.
>>15212612
Is this your first car or something? I wouldn't touch that integra. Spend a little more on something clean. You will be happy you did.
>>15212633
Why? It's fucking clean as hell.
>spend a little more
It's already over my price range by 900 dollars
>>15212683
What's your budget? 2500?
>>15212706
3000
It's the cleanest car I have ever seen.
>>15212706
I mean the ae92 is stock.
>>15212583
Overall no it is not
Faster 0-60
Arguably
Better interior
More space
Isn't for fuccbois
>>15212717
Here you go. This is better than anything you listed. Talk them down.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5617125111.html
>>15212794
why are you bullying innocent people
>>15212769
The focus is a better DD if you need space.
The 86 is the better drivers car.
Simple as that. I'm surprised you like the focus interior more though.
>>15212801
Bullying? You mean helping?
>>15212810
>the 86 is the better drivers car
>>15212849
the 86 is the better drivers car
>>15212884
RWD master race. FF btfo
>>15212890
>kek
>>15212897
That's a weird looking focus
Is that the euro version?
Did they upgrade the stock tires yet? I can't believe they'd put optional Brembos on a car, and keep the pizza cutter tires.
>>15206618
so mark x?
>>15211844
No I get alot of shit from people who never drive one.
>>15212292
Why are you talking about 90's shitboxes instead of the toyobaru
>>15212897
Don't post this picture without bred on your type r's hood
>>15206104
>It was RWD because the Corolla platform at the time was RWD.
But that's not true, shitposter.
>>15213550
he is right. the ae86 platform is the same as the ke/ae70
>>15204934
I want this trend of prolapsed asshole front ends to stop.
>Please
"we want a decent tunable platform with stick and rwd!!!!"
*get Scion Toyobaru*
"EW IT'S PIGFAT ONLY MAKES 160 HP MUH TORQUE CURVE IT COSTS TOO MUCH BECAUSE IM A BROKE NEET THIS 1993 CLAPPED OUT MIATA IS MUCH BETTER BECAUSE REEEEEEEEEE"
/o/
>>15214260
But my fox body mustang is just as light and has a vee ate and rusted until it's only 3000$!
>>15211773
Not. True. There's a new law that allows replica car manufactures to produce and sell cars as long as they pass modern emissions.
>>15214382
We Are not talking about replicas here we are talking about new models. Nice try with the loophole but it does not pertain to the conversation.
>>15204985
Here ya go honda engine and all.
>>15214555
that is so dumb
>>15211544
>Subaru badge on GT86
Why? To cover up the fact it's a Scion in America?
>>15204934
Scion tC only as an FR?
>>15215844
That is a brz with a 86 bumper you nignog
>>15204934
you realize the Scion TC exists? What you photoshopped is exactly what the Scion TC is.
OBVIOUSLY not everything it needed to be if it's going out of production.
You really disgust me.
>>15216144
TC isnt rwd m8
>>15216158
neither is the corolla which is what OP photoshopped.
you can't take a FWD car and simply go "oh let's make it RWD." who the fuck are you?
Legitimately considering buying a BRZ soon; for what it is, I really like it.
Is it literally shit or am I being trolled here.
>>15216167
That's why OP is a faggot.
>>15216170
You're being trolled. Nothing wrong with the Toyobarus.
>>15216170
I've owned and driven a lot of cars, and the 86 imo is a great car. I'm probably a little biased because I own one.
This car isn't for everyone though. You need to think about what you want out of a car first. Don't buy this car if you hate downshifting or rev matching. This car forces you to be aggressive, but the more you push it, the more fun you have.
The fixed hard top and extra seats are a nice bonus too.
>>15216208
I had been looking at 350z's before I even knew about the BRZ so I was kind of after something more fun than some lame family sedan but nothing I was gonna have to dump a ton of money into turning it into a racecar.
I feel like the 86 platform is something semi reliable and fun that's worth tinkering with eventually and that's all I wanted
>>15216208
those sparco rims are pretty cool, not a fan of it with the car in that color though
>>15216170
nothing wrong with them. I was planning on buying one but am now planning on getting the 2017 gt86 in the fall.
>>15216240
It really depends on if you would rather buy new or used.
I've heard that the 370z is a big improvement over the 350, and those are getting pretty cheap too.
If you're thinking about an 86, I would wait until the refresh is released in September. There will most likely be a lot of improvements to the car, and the torque dip eliminated.
>>15214260
Seriously, why the fuck do you guys always complain about car manufacturers not catering to you anymore when you're just going to whine that a $2000 used Honda is a much better deal even when they do?
>>15216280
Looking at used almost exclusively, trying to stay under $25k usd
Which means I probably won't be picking up a new one in the fall, and I don't know if my shitbox will last until then anyway
>>15216170
Its not legitimate shit but its not the greatest.
If you're deadset on getting something new for whatever reason, the 30-35k coupe market is pretty small and dependent on what you need. Just understand that youre getting something slower than a miata for the tradeoff of better practicality.
However if you could buy used you definitely should. For 30k you could get a 370/g37/s2k/cayman s
>>15216167
Are you a retard?
>>15216342
I can point you to a brand new brz you can get for less than 25K. Prolly 23 OTD now.
>>15216388
Yeah, premium trim is about 25k new, but I'm gonna be driving it a bunch and I'd rather have the nicer interior on the Limited trim
>>15216348
Not an argument.
>you will never a stripped down bare bones model of 2013 scion frs
guess ill buy a 1997 civic hatch
kill me
>>15216426
Are you a retard?
>>15216436
NOT
>>15216442
Is that seriously your argument?
>>15216446
>your argument
NOT
>>15216344
Only on a track, with the brz having handicap tires. It's actually quick with the same tires on it. And the stock tires are gone in less than a summer if you drive aggressively. Also if you want to buy a brz budget 500$ for summer tires. Both the 350 and 370z are 2 seaters only.
>>15216617
Interesting
Do you have any sort of numbers for that?
$20K Canadian for a 2015 BRZ a good deal? Odo at 30KM.
>>15216453
hope you crash into a tree corey
>>15216810
thats a really good deal and doesnt sound right
did the owner say why hes getting rid of it?
>>15216800
Nah but the NC is in the same autocross class (c street)and they are extremely competitive with 200 treadwear tires. The nd clubsport out classes the brz but it is small fish in b street. All the other nds are in the same class as the brz but they don't get lsds when priced to compete.
picking my brz up on thursday weeeeeeeeeeeee
>>15217116
Enjoy
>>15217116
Nice. You made a good choice by getting the Limited. Is it a 13 or 14?
