Can we get a midship thread going?
I have my heart set on a non-turbo MR2 as my next car. It seems to be the perfect blend of fun, special-snowflake status and reliability.
What else even is there in that price range?
I'd love something like that too.
really just the mgf i guess but dat reliability
>>15201829
Well price range is relative.
They can be really expensive and stupid hard to find. Ive been reading about these cars for a long time and from what I gather the hardest part is just finding a clean one thats been taken care of. I can confirm this, especially living in the new england area.
I see a lot of people compare it to a miata. They say its more forgiving at the limits than an mr2, which I absolutely believe
People swap in V6's from the camry's and they're quick. You gain hp and tq and lose weight because iron 4 cylinder weighs more than the aluminum V6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz-dN4kUwSI
>>15201850
I want a v6 swapped mr2. Turbo power with typical camry reliability, and less weight
owner reporting in.
do not regret at all. learn to handle the car at it's limits and it will reward you
>>15201858
ask me anything
>tfw want a aw11 mr2 as my only car and DD
>tfw this is a crazy unrealistic goal
>>15201861
How much did you pay, do your t-tops leak and whats maintenance like?
>>15201865
A pristine aw11 with the right swap could serve you well anon
This makes me wet and I dont care
>>15201871
it was my cousins highschool beater that I restored as my first car so I didn't pay anything. yes t-tops DID leak, easily fixable with epoxy and window adjustment. maintenance is as easy as a Camry. You'll most likely end up with a 5SFE which is literally a Camry engine or if you can find a 3S then it'll still be easy to maintain
>>15201871
are AW11s that bad? they're so horrible you need a bubble contained one with an engine swap to DD it?
>>15201919
Ive seen a few for sale in my area with 2nd-4th gen 3sgte swaps in them. Definitely out of the ordinary but the 3sgte can be really reliable if its taken care of, like any engine
>>15201919
God no, why would you think that? They came with the legendary A series engines, either the 4A-GE big port NA or the 4A-GZE supercharged motor, either of them will serve well as a DD, but if you want more performance you typically would either turbo either of those because the max horsepower out of both of those engines is 145 from the GZE, or swap in a 4A-GE 20V Silvertop or Blacktop engine
>>15201847
I say this as a miata driver, yeah an mr2 will be quicker but also more hektik and less forgiving, no question about it.
Despite/because of that I'd absolutely love a mid engined car under $10k.
>>15201946
Id say take this with a grain of salt because these cars are approaching 30 years old. If you want to use one as a daily definitely budget in a rebuild, or get one thats been garage kept
>>15201953
Hell 10k will get you a pristine JDM turbo
https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/cto/5541316067.html
>>15201963
So what if they're approaching 30? most of them, if not left to rot outside, are still in perfectly working order, the only issues would be cosmetic and electronics, there is nothing wrong with the 4A engines
>>15201975
As great as the aw11 is, its a 30 year old car, and buying a 30 year old car comes with a lot of baggage. Mostly in the form of rotting rubber, electronic issues (like you said), and rust. An engine itself isnt really affected by weather and age unless its been sitting, but the same cant be said for basically every other component.
Id say just be extra thorough if you're going to look at one. I live in the new england area so ive had some bad experiences with older cars
>>15201997
you really don't get it
>>15202015
Did my point just go over your head or something or do you legitimately not understand what im saying
>>15201861
What sort of maintenance have you performed on it? Are you happy with NA or do you wish you got the turbo?
>>15201822
>midship
you are not japanese. you will never be japanese.
thread hidden
>tfw no fierocart
What would happen if the frame was cut and replaced with a steel tube roll cage ala roadkill?
Is the second gen stock turbo good?
Can the MR2 efficiently cool a turbo'd engine?
We didn't get any turbo models in the UK so I want to know if it's worth importing/fitting a turbo.
>>15201865
It's not unrealistic, I've got an 87 with a blacktop 4age swap and it's great. Only major rust is in the frunk near the drain area, and only surface rust. Was 5k when said and done. Now I get to dump more money into it
>>15202078
>What sort of maintenance have you performed on it?
nothing out of the ordinary. I've got the Turbo but have driven the NA plenty of times. The NA is def slow but it's still fun as hell to corner and drive it.
>>15202190
yes. stock boost isn't much
>>15202225
Stock
Motor
>>15202246
>stock boost isn't much
So I'd be better off getting an NA and an aftermarket turbo?
>>15201822
Not even trolling here, but I don't see massive benefits of that car being rwd since you are fucked if you oversteer? Or is that a wrong? I've heard they snap oversteer. Other than that they look cool I guess. Too pricey tho.
>>15202254
absolutely. that's true for every turbo model or sport package car ever created.
people build track and tuner cars out of base models.
only reason for turbo model is if you
a) want a nice oem classic example of the turbo model
b) dont care to make any more power than the turbo model provides.
c) turbo model comes with a different transmission or some other more expensive option that you want.
>>15202301
They only snap oversteer by idiots driving them to the limits and freaking out at said limits causing the oversteer, an experienced driver never gets to that point, it's a meme to discourage people from buying them
>>15202301
>Not even trolling here
That's the first time I've seen that said genuinely
>>15201822
if you're in america just get a turbo. na sw20s are all the pigfat with none of the power.
>>15201865
you're an idiot and/or inept
>>15202301
busrider
>MFW my aw11 +300,000 miles on the clock and still runs like a champ
>>15202396
Just a testament to the glorious 4A
>>15202409
It's actually a Honda d series, that 4a was shit and blew out at 150k
>>15202225
I've seen yours before and like it man, it's nice
What's the biggest difference you've noticed driveability wise between the Big Port and the Blacktop?
>>15202419
Pic or it didn't happen
>>15202427
That's not the same anon that posted anon
>>15202447
I didn't think so
>>15202447
>literally being a hacker
>>15202095
thanks for the bump tho
Is snap oversteer just a meme? How does it happen? Can it be fixed?
>>15203056
Its a meme
It happens when a bad driver drives bad
Fixed with a good driver
>>15203070
This
>>15202119
You're not going to get anything Fiero related in these threads, It's all MemeR2 shit.
>>15203056
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia
Basically, it depends on how the weight is distributed relative to the rotational axis. A car with the engine planted in the middle is going to require less input to oversteer than a front mounted engine.
Since you can't move your engine around, you have to be much smoother with your inputs = git gud.
>>15203070
no it's not a meme. it happens when you drive a poorly designed car like an MR2
HERE WE GO
ITT: poorfags who literally glorify a mid engine Corolla
>>15202330
>>15202254
Just get the Turbo model. The idea of Turbo charging the N/A is completely stupid and a money pit. The Stock Turbo version comes with better suspension, LSD and stronger gearbox/Hubs/Axles. The N/A head won't flow as much PSI and the compression ratios are all wrong.
Look for a Rev3+ Turbo and you can up the boost to 18PSI with basic bolt ons reaching 300bhp. Alternatively the Rev2 and put a CT20b turbo on and try the Rev3 engine management conversion /fuelling/metal headgasket with bolt on's to achieve the same power.
>I owned an N/A for 1 year
>got bored of the power
>Bought a Turbo Rev2 and never looked back
>>15203070
>>15203188
Yeah, is this accurate?
>You have to keep on pressing the accelerator once you enter the corner. If you release it, you shift the weight of the car to the front and you lose rear wheel grip, causing oversteer and a potential spin-out.
>>15202254
>>15202330
No not at all. A simple turbo swap takes plenty of work, and the 3S-GTE is designed for boosting, unlike the 3S-GE and 5S-FE.
>>15203195
No it's actually a trait of a mid engine RWD car. Porches (yes but rear engined) / Ferraris / Lamborghinis all suffed from snap oversteer.
The best way to avoid it on an MR2 mk2 is to get the Rev2 + versions as the suspension was revised. Run staggered wheels like stock (Always rears wider than the fronts) and invest in decent tyres. Then the car is much more subdued and less snappy.
>>15203230
Better to just get good tires than the neutered 93+ suspension
>>15203217
Its true to a degree, but its the same as with any mid engine rwd car. The only reason the mr2 is considered dangerous is because its accessible, common, and lacks advanced driving aids
>>15203230
if you set your MR2 to super stock then it will go perfectly
>>15203230
>the only way to have a somewhat balanced MR2 is too put huge tires on it
MR is awesome on a track, but when you let your guard down, it might put you into the guard rail
snap oversteer is like FWD oversteer. its neither cool nor all that controllable.
>MR fags have to worry about dying every corner in the rain
>meanwhile FRONT MID REAR MASTER RACE passes it while drifting sideways
>>15203217
Yea it's accurate. Where's the greentext from?
It's missing a crucial word. It's not that you can't release the throttle(or apply brake) in a corner, it's that you can't release it _abruptly_.
As with everything in vehicle dynamics, be smooth.
>>15203264
You do realise people drift MR2's right? They even do it in the rain *horror shock horror*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwJVel5jcss
>>15203273
I just rewrote a poorly expressed youtube comment that seemed to have the right idea.
>>15203248
It's true with any car. A good setup FR car will do the same exact thing. It's a good thing not a bad thing. Normal people just don't know how to drive.
>>15203288
Ah ok. Also, here doridori himself talking about it
https://youtu.be/IPQyQgyuNMI?t=1668
Timestamped for the mr2 but watch the whole thing.
Owned a SW20 of some kind for the past 10 years.
They are excellent cars but they are starting to show their age in some ways.
Prices going up on them
Smaller selection available
Less quality selection (fewer maintained and non crashed cars)
Big thing is AGE. You buy one and it'll most likely run a drive, but to make it GREAT again I'd be looking and refreshing the whole car. Suspension, fluids, brakes, engine work (seals and belts mainly, headgasket if higher mileage).
Oh and ttops WILL FUCKING LEAK. I swear leakong ttops was a factory option from Toyota. Easy fixes though.
my buddy has an SW20 with the 3SGTE swap in it, fucking love it, though it scared the piss out of me to drive compared to my miat
pic related is his
>>15203351
93 Teal? Noice.
OP I forgot one little thing. 93+ are a little more forgiving suspension wise and have small finer improvements here and there that are nice to have. Biggest being the fact they went electro speedo in 93 on up. 91 and 92 have mechanical speedo with cables and those fuckers suck to repair. It's cheap to do so(although the cables can be hard to find new) it's just a pain in the ass is all, especially if it's related to the assembly that hooks into the tranny itself.
>>15203391
he repainted it a different shade of blue unfortunately, he also sold his equips for a set of BBS LM's
it still looks pretty good in my opinion, but i liked the teal more
>>15203391
Tb.h the fucked up the 93+ suspension. Instead of bad in a way that might kill you, they went too far in the opposite direction and got bad in a way that's boring.
>"H-hey guys, can I come too?"
>>15203581
I'd like the ZZW30 if it didn't have such an ugly front end.
>>15203195
bait
>>15203285
You do realize people drift Civics right? They even do it in the dry *horror shock horror*
Fuck it, I'll post mine.
>tfw buying aw11 as first car is a bad idea
>tfw dont know much about cars and poor
>but really fucking love mr2 and want one very badly
>>15203681
I should report you to the RSPCA.
>>15203712
So long as you buy one in a good, rust-free condition they're fine. I wouldn't bother if you get a lot of snow and storms where you live.
>>15203722
There is no snow and little to no rust here if the car is native.
I don't even care about horsepower or stoplight racing like everyone else who's into cars at my age to be honest and promise to drive it responsibly while learning about the car and myself, I want to feel it's rumble inside me!
>>15203599
Nevermind the front end, I'd like it if it had more cargo space than what's behind the seats
>>15203722
Why? The other door was open and I wasn't leaving her there.
>>15203681
Very nice, the bitch too
>>15203599
>Lighter than an AW11
>Better power / weight ratio
>6-speed transmission
It's a shame you're caught up ont he headlights though, anon.
>>15203812
Most important of all
>no ricer tax
>>15203599
Its one of those cars that are begging to be riced
>>15203852
I don't like all the ricer shit, but making the front end look taller with a larger bumper and smaller headlights would definitely help the look of the car.
>>15203860
>Making the front end of any car taller
Positively retarded.
>>15203874
You make it look taller than stock by having a bumper that's lower to the ground.
>>15203860
>>15203874
i like the mr-s
>>15203874
>Not wanting a larger opening in the fascia to collect more air for the intercooler
It's like you hate performance
>>15203947
those lips make that thing look so much cooler imo
>>15203264
>MR fags have to worry about dying every corner in the rain
No we don't
>>15203965
The happy face just makes it feel like it's trying to be a Miata.
>>15203574
I know what you mean. I like it when the car tries to kill me every now and again when I'm having fun. Tis fun
>>15203952
>MR car
>putting the intercooler in the front
TIP TOPPEST OF LELS M8
>>15203995
am I kawaii?
>>15204261
The fuck is this shit? I don't even care if it helps, that's just as retarded looking as a pink Miata driven by George Takei
how is the pseudomanuel transmission that some of the zz30s came with? was always intrigued by those
reporting in
>>15204261
>not using your intercooler as a rear spoiler
disappointed
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-1989-Toyota-MR2-Basket-Weave-OEM-Wheel-Set-of-4-See-Description-/122001504149
Is this a good price for OEM wheels for my aw11?
The wheels i have now are beyond ricer shit from the P.O. and these seem okay and have that period correct style i like. Is the damage on the lip of one a deal breaker?
It would come out to about 200 bucks shipped.
>>15204261
until some coon comes along in the parking lot and bends all the metal fins
>>15203230
Bullshit. I've driven a Boxster in snow and a 997-generation 911 in heavy rains, with no snap oversteer. In fact, the 997 gives you a wider range of controllable oversteer than a Mustang! The Boxster's range is narrower, but it communicates really well, so it's still easy to avoid snap oversteer.
The MR2 is a poor example of mid- and rear-engine potential.
I really want my next project to be buying an AW11 and making it fast (turbo it, shoot for ~13s in the 1/4mi, put tuned stiff suspension on it, add light wheels and sticky tires). It's impossible to find a good starting point though, they're all beat to shit or rusty.
>>15207309
>13s
>fast
lmao
>>15206125
It's been done.
>>15202119
How do I make roll cage/tube frame out of stock??? Can I replace it or do people make completely new chassis?
>>15207644
If it's yours I'd like a shot from a wider angle with more of the car
>>15207659
No, it's not mine.
>>15207681
Christ, imagine the drag produced by that setup
>>15207687
Doesn't matter, MR2s are insanely slow anyways.
>>15207693
Not really, especially a setup warranting an intercooler that size
>>15207693
>>15207697
Ohyeah, man. Just look at this thing. Total top-speed warrior. Especially those all-weather tires.
You could run faster than this thing, I guarantee it.
>>15207705
Do you know what engine it is?
>>15207707
4A-GZE, with a blistering 140HP.
>>15207713
Doubt it's just a regular 4A-GZE, not with that intercooler, and why are you knocking it? The performance gotten out of that engine was impressive when it was released
NA reporting in
>>15207658
Some places have them for sale online, in various degrees of assembly. never welded before myself but I'd gladly learn if I could fierokart. For example jegs sells full roll cages, only thing is they have to be welded together
>>15207315
Don't be a retard. There's more to "fast" than muh 1/4mi
>>15201847
there is no question that a Miata is more forgiving than an SW20 in any situation. The reason it's hard to find a clean MR2 turbo is because so many have been destroyed by careless/inexperienced drivers
Yes, they also never came close to the Miata's production numbers, but still, few clean ones remain available today because they are death traps in the wrong hands.
>be me
>drive aw11
>front end collision
What do I DO!?!?
I mean nothing is hurt but I need a new front end.
I want it to be a stylin battle scar front end conversion like a sileighty ya feel me yo yo yo man?
>>15208719
fiero front end swap?
>>15201850
Which camry and which V6? I assume not the modern one.
>>15209558
Either the 3.0 or the 3.3, but I remember seeing a ZZ30 with the 3.5
>260k miles
>>15210181
Someone who actually says their car is in fair condition can't be all that bad right? I can buy this as my first car and be ok, right? Tell me it's going to be ok, please.
>>15209644
3.0 would be 188 hp, 3.5 is 275 then.
>>15210545
The 3.3 is about 235 I think
I found an mr2 for $600 dollars on craiglists no signs of rust and perfect paint. guy needs to sell it because he is moving in 3 weeks and I want to snatch it up. What should I look out for? things to check out? The bad news is it has an oil leak and needs a distributor rebuild, will that be expensive? could I do it myself? my wrenching experience is basic maintenance and I did a head swap on my e30.
>>15210545
Those 3.0s take boost very well though
>http://jalopnik.com/5843508/728-horsepower-toyota-camry-is-hard-to-wrap-your-head-around
>Jalopnik
I know but the auto guide link won't show the video
>>15210564
here are some pics
>>15201822
Is this a good deal you guys?
http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5597967600.html
I really want an AW11 but I've never driven stick before and am kind of worried about my insurance premiums. The other problem is that I have a ~35-45 minute commute every day and I've heard these are less than reliable.
Is there a modern engine swap that I could get done on this to improve power/reliability?
>>15210583
Whats the mileage? it has a 4age its pretty reliable just rebuild it if its that bad.
>>15201822
Anyone know what wheels those are ?
>>15210569
I wonder what kind of engine this one uses, it's supposed to be around 650 hp.
>>15210583
You would need to get some wheels and tires that actually fit the damn thing. Also check mileage, rust, leaks, normal shit.
>>15210592
I will find out, I have a feeling it's pretty damn high though.
I found this as well, leaning towards this one before the red one I just posted.
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/5581648376.html
>>15210181
>>15210213
pls respond
>>15210631
>automatic
![IMG_20160527_112718[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Q6Bmydj.jpg "IMG_20160527_112718[1].jpg")
I own this '85 MR2 since april. Paid 2000$ CAD and it has 153 000 miles on it. It's my summer DD and boy is it fun. It's rusted out because Canada and I think the rear shocks needs to be replaced.
![IMG_20160527_112916[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZXxmOct.jpg "IMG_20160527_112916[1].jpg")
>>15210869
I call it either the Meme mobile or the Miami mobile
>>15210564
The distributor leak is not hard at all. I did it having less experience than you.
Here's the kit that has all you need along with some instructions. $30.
http://www.kbox.ca/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=34
http://padandwheels.com/mr2/dizzyoring/dizzyoring.html
>>15210969
Thank you so much! I'll give him a call and check it out, what would you recommend for tires?
If you could roll down the rear window like on the honda del sol, oh man MR2 would have been PERFECT
>>15211163
why would anyone want to do this?
>>15211163
Sounds like more shit to leak and break on a 30 year old car.
>>15210745
I'm going to be commuting in it, I will buy another one in stick for
TRACK
DAY
BRO
I'll play! posted in another thread but this one seems more appropriate for my mid engined shitbox.
>>15201865
totally realistic
gf and I have been using our N/A AW11 daily for work/errands,
driving 5k rpm all day for a year and it's been fine
>>15213246
I bet you have hot sweaty cramped sex in there all the time mmmm
>>15201865
Follow your dreams anon. I thought it would be impossible to find a clean AW11, too. Though I scoured CL for weeks and weeks and I finally found one. Don't let your dreams be dreams.
>>15213873
yea there's still a decent bit of good ones out there, and if you're in the south you can get a rust-free one p cheap
>>15213997
I live in the north but the one I bought (>>15213873) was brought up from Florida by the kid I bought it from. The only rust I could find was a hint of surface rust inside the engine bay on the rear side and a touch of surface rust on the control arms up front. Hell, the bottom still has most of its undercoating.
>>15210583
>http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/5581648376.html
4age is very reliable, even for extended times at high rpms, it's the accessories that might be bad, distributor/oil leaks are almost guaranteed
also going from a civic to an mr2 only increased my insurance $15, but it wasn't red
Don't mind me, just a stray Boxster coming through this thread full of MR2s
>>15214653
cool mr-s
>>15206108
yeeesssss! Love these.
>>15210181
HEY GO FUCK YOURSELF
>>15210181
Through car fax
>1988
>rear impact with other vehicle
>1989
>reported stolen
>recovered after theft
>2011
>sideswipe
>left rear damage
>airbags did not deploy
Here's a picture of the back.
Love my 93 turbo.
>>15214811
Interior pic just because
>>15214689
But that came after
>>15213246
damn she thicc son
>>15202301
Porsche guy here, same thing. As long as you know not to lift off throttle too fast in a corner and apply the right amount of opposite lock if needed, you good. Just learn to steer with the gas pedal.
middo shpppuuuu
is mr2 a good car? there is a 2006 spyder on cl near me for good price
>>15221224
Yes, 3rd gen is the best performance-wise but a lot of people don't like the look or it being a roadster at all.
>>15214784
it doesnt have airbags
>>15221247
will it beat austin's civic after he puts a turbo in it and daniels mustang?
>tfw no 280 hp 2GR swapped SW20
>>15221399
literally the best swap ever
>most reliable engine
>280hp NA
>lighter than turbo 3SGTE
little midships
>>15218619
DELETE THIS
posted this in the CL thread....wanted to know what you guys think
http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5622377225.html
>Orlando
not a good sign, the guy looks white so hopefully he took care of it
>>15222758
Eh, a little bit of surface rust in the engine compartment, I'd think it's worth a look, bring a mechanic though and yes he is white
>>15203310
this is fantastic, thanks for linking it
>>15203599
shut up it's cute
Midship a best
>>15223159
>>15214653
Germanfags reee
>>15223159
>>15214653
stop being rich
>>15214811
Glorious chariot mein comrade
>>15223328
Those Boxsters probably cost as much as an SW20 or MRS
Did someone say midship?
I love blocky low polygon count 80s cars with their sharp edges.
I wish that style would come back.
>>15221247
I thought it looks like shit, but then someone told me it look like Twingo and not I think it's beautiful. It's true though, owning a roofless car is unviable where I live.
>>15226166
A lot of them also have some weird robot transmission.
>>15223551
>Porsche will never make this car as good as it deserves to be as long as the 911 exists
>>15223551
>>15227973
Which Porsche is it? Most of them all look the same to me desu.
>>15227999
Cayman S
>>15227999
Cayman
It's even at an angle that gives away that it's a different car than the 911
>>15201822
I imagined MRS to be much bigger, that thing looks tiny. Also is it MRS or MR2? I'm European but I've never seen a MRS here.
>>15213246
>>15228026
Mrs is 3rd gen mr2 a slight rebranding took place. Its smaller than an sw20 (2nd gen mr2)
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