A thread for our beloved econobox pocket rockets. Talk experiences, ask for advice and questions and generally shitpost about the Fiesta ST.
>Roadtripping Edition
Hot hatches make perfect road trip cars, what's the best trip you've taken yours on?
>What is a "Hot Hatch"?
A Hot Hatch is a manufacturer produced, performance oriented variant of a standard hatchback, designed for improved handling, increased top speed, acceleration and generally enhance the driving experience.
>Are all Hot Hatches FWD?
No. Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are AWD or even RWD.
>Isn't FWD shit?
No. Just because you can't get the arse out by stamping on the accelerator doesn't mean you can't have fun.
>Aren't Hot Hatches just for Europoors?
No; with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST to joining the MS3 and Abarth in the US, it seems like the Hot Hatch is beginning to take off on the other side of the Atlantic, but Europoors definitely have more choice.
>Is the Fiesta ST actually good?
The Fiesta ST is one of the best small hot hatches on offer at the minute; so yeah they're pretty good.
>>15194621
>No title
u dun fucked up OP
>FiST my asshole
>not clio v6 RS
Its like having a small dick and saying its better. Enjoy the inferior car
Abarths welcome? Just put a new intake on mine last week. No more plastic engine cover makes access much easier. Changed the spark plugs in like five minutes afterwords.
>>15194621
>telling people any version of the american Fiesta is at all good
>>15194873
How are you finding it? I keep toying with buying one. Drove a base model 140bhp version and it was mad fun. Which variant are you running?
>My Clio has the same engine as the Twingo RS with like 2 less HP
>isn't considered a hot hatch
>>15194887
For the price it's been pretty great. I toyed with ordering a FiST first but it would have run me at least 4k more with an APR of like 2-3%. Got my 2015 for around 20k out the door at 0% no options (the way to go IMO). It's a great daily, average 34 mpg, always fun. Don't expect great fit and finish or luxury on the interior, but I don't mind simplicity. I get more compliments and questions about it then any other car I've owned.
Only issue I've had was knocking in the front suspension fixed under warranty.
>>15194887
Oh and I have the Abarth, so stock is around 165 bhp? Waiting for the Euro compulsion tune for 2015 to come out so I can bump it a little closer to 200.
>>15194893
Because it's all about the character of the var. A sloppy Clio isn't going to be anywhere near as hot as a peppy, fun Twingo
>>15194905
Yeah, I'm a bit torn between the 595 Competizione and a FiST. Not driven either yet, only the basic 595, but my mate has just bought a FiST and everyone seems to have one. You don't see that many around.
>>15194913
The base Abarth here has 140bhp, the Turismo has 160, and the Competizione 180bhp
>>15194928
Ah ok, we only get one flavor and it's closest to the turismo I would guess?
>>15195035
This is the one I was buying.
>>15194873
Got that engine in my MiTo, great fun, nice exhaust note for a little i4
>>15195531
How's the MiTo?
Are minis hot?
>>15195726
The S is, the Cooper is kind of.
>>15195454
7.2% Wow. My bank just approved a used car loan at 3%.
>>15195726
>get in crash
>die
>Are minis hot?
>>15195789
Yeah, but £200 a month is nothing.
>>15195726
The Cooper S and JCW S are yeah, although the R53 and R56 are a bit hotter than the current gen.
>>15195713
Pretty good, it's nicely finished inside, fun, nippy, decent mpg.
Only had it a few weeks though, so I can't comment on reliability yet.
One thing I have noticed is how meme the DNA switch is - great on twisty fast roads in Dynamic, awful in the city
Can I join too? No power compared to other hot hatches but it's a lot of fun going through the gears on back roads.
Drove to Galway in it, avoiding the motorway as much as I could. Lots of twisty roads and managed to break some ridiculous Irish speed limits.
>>15196947
Looks pretty good for a cheap thrills car too.
>>15196947
The Swift Sport is definitely a hot hatch
>>15197050
>136hp
>160Nm
>hot hatch
>>15196947
>dealership sticker
ewwwwwwwww
>>15197481
>rev-happy as fuck NA engine
>fantastic chassis
There's more to a hot hatch than just power and torque figures.
Be honest /o/, will I look like a huge fucking faggot cruising around in a Mazda3 Hatch? I'm going for the i Touring trim with a manual 6-speed.
>>15197603
not unless you yourself look like a huge faggot.
>>15197481
Actually this gen has the M16a which only makes 125bhp but it's a lot lighter than the old one, plus it's a facelift with the 7300rpm redline. The engine is still as lively though and it's a great suspension setup. It's not fast but it's quick.
>>15197522
I'm going for the stock look. Mainly because the car is stock except for the exhaust.
>>15197050
I wouldn't call it hot today, maybe when it came out and most hot hatches didn't have turbos or huge amounts of torque steer. If I was to get a hot hatch next it'd be a Road Clio 200 solely because it's NA.
>>15197527
>NA engine
That's so last century, man.
>>15197959
Can't beat that delicious immediate throttle response.
If you own a VW polo or VW golf you should fucking kill yourself
>>15198013
>If you own a VW you should fucking kill yourself
FTFY
>>15197792
The RS 200 is a fabulous choice
>>15194621
>Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are AWD or even RWD.
Name two RWD hatches currently produced
>>15196947
joining you soon anon
>>15199966
BMW 135i
BMW 120D MSPORT
All of my mates are buying new cars, and all except one have bought hot hatches, and I'm sat here waiting for my insurer to write mine off.
Pic is 3 of 4 of my mates new cars, including the one not hot hatch.
>>15199973
Great colour. Why the 5-door?
>>15200584
It actually only comes in 5-door here in Ausfaglia, but I'd get the 5 door anyway or my girlfriend would complain (even more than she already is)
>>15200584
tfw all the grills want to be in your car because all the other shits have 3 doors
>>15200107
lol that counts as one. nobody but bmw?
>>15204378
No, because everyone knows the best hot hatch formula is ~200 - 250 bhp, fwd, 6 speed manual.
So; considerations for my new car
>Abarth Competizione
Possibly a bit too small and >5 speed, but mad fun. Quite like the styling, and a lot of the colours, will probably go Campovolo Grey
>Fiesta ST
Seems alright but everyone has one and there isn't a colour I really like. Reviews have been good, but a mate has just bought one and I don't really want the same car. Would go white probably. Or get a Nardo Grey wrap.
>Polo GTI
Reviews seem to say these are a bit shit, but I actually really like the styling, particularly the lights and rims. Seems a tad more mature. Probably have it pearl white or Nardo Grey if I can.
>Ibiza Cupra
Same car underneath as the Polo, the styling is a bit more hit and miss. Really haven't done much looking at these, dont even know what colours they offer.
>Clio RS
I really like the styling of these, and I fancy trying out the EDC box, and my last car was the previous gen RS. Also liquid yellow is to die for. But reviews haven't been great, and I don't know if I will miss the manual. Would 99% certainly take it in Liquid Yellow
WHAT DO I DO
>>15199966
>>15200107
>>15204378
Also the new Twingo
>>15207014
Personally I'd get a Clio RS or a Fiesta ST (they should come in magnetic over there now, too). The Abarth is a distant 3rd for me.
Drive them all and then decide for yourself tho.
>>15207442
See, of the lot, I've only driven the Abarth, but it was the basic 140bhp model. But that was actually very fun, just the seating position was too high. I think the Competizione has a better seating position because buckets.
>>15207620
I would just recommend giving them all a fair shot before deciding. Having a mate with the same car would be pretty sweet since you can learn to wrench on it together, always have a bud for an install day, and can try and find meets around you etc.
The Abarth is a cool car, and the engine is supposed to be reliable, I'd just make sure by driving all the ones your interested in first.
>>15196947
Top tier taste.
>Tfw no swift turbo till way in 2017 and spent money on vitara turbo
>>15207014
>>15207633
in the states a 2013 abarth goes for less than 12k.
>feelsgoodman.jpeg
other than some reliability issues it's just that muricans think fiat is a meme
>>15196493
how do you think the MiTo compares to the 500 abarth?
>>15194621
I got a Volvo c30. it's turning radius sucks. what can I do?
>>15211614
Sell it and buy something better.
Question about the FiST
Where do they do the mountune MP215 kits? Are they available in all Ford dealers?
Also is it worth getting the MP215, or just go the full mile and get the MR230 upgrade?
>>15213597
215 is still 35 horsepower over standard, and doesn't void your warranty
>>15213597
I believe you have to order teh MP215 from Mountune, and then have (I believe) a certified mechanic install it, then you have to register your car with Ford Performance, and then occasionally you have to go through them to to get dealerships to honor your warranty.
It's a lot of hoops to jump through for a little power gain and a lot of cost, personally I don't think the 'stage' kits are worth the cost.
>>15194873
For being so small it looks like a well laid out engine bay. How is accessing the oil filter?
Are the 2008-2014 wrx/stis considered a hatch or a wagon?
>>15213859
They're a hatch. A wagon is an extended saloon.
>>15194621
I have never loved a car like this before.
Next stop is tuneage
>>15194621
are the golf gti and r considered hot hatches.
>>15213934
The MkI Golf GTI is basically the original hot hatch, so yes, all of its successors are considered hot hatches. The GTI is basically the hot hatch that everything else gets compared to.
>>15213934
>>15213793
Ah. It does sound like headwork desu.
I'll guess I think it over a few days more before deciding what to do
>>15194621
>TFW everybody sleeps on the Kia hot hatches
>>15214136
because there are tons of better options for the same money
>>15214150
I think its a solid hot hatch
but I also bought it, so, that sort of speaks for itself
>>15214136
Which one's that? I know the ProCee'd GT is a decent option for a "warm hatch", not quite a Golf GTI competitor but not full ecobox mode either.
>>15214067
I'd recommend a rear motor mount to start, and wouldn't go terribly far past that if you're really concerned about warranty.
>>15214217
It's the Forte5 Turbo SX with the TARMAC EDITION shit on it
>>15194621
Piddly pum, tis such a wanking pity that you bummers of the queen can not go to the Paki shop and Nick yourselves a bleeding 1992 Geo Tracker
>>15214235
I could probably get a Suzuki Vitara/Sidekick for pretty much fuck all. Same car.
>>15213924
Just got a white 2016 Golf GTI. I'm also in love with it
>>15214297
Whenever I see those wheels on VWs I just think of 5 point swastikas, unfortunately.
Tfw you non-ironically want a Twingo GT
>small as fuck
>RWD
>rear-engine
>pimped to 110 bhp
Is this a new GOAT hot hatch?
>>15214943
If you can switch the electronic nannies all the way off, which is a possibility knowing RenaultSport.
>>15214943
The GT is probably warm.
Now that there is a GT though, it means that we could see an RS version.
>>15214943
I do sort of want one. I wonder how much they'll cost.
So I'm finally getting around to installing my hitch in the mk6 GTI to help my cousin move across the state. I know I will have to modify my rear exhaust tubing as its an older hitch but the back was tweaked from getting rear ended a while back.
My question is when installing the trailer wiring, would it be fine to tap power from the amp power wire(separately fused of course)?
>>15198013
nah thanks i'll enjoy my 270ish hp with a tune and
S U P E R I O R I N T E R I O R
>>15214943
it's like being attacked by an angry week-old kitten
Threads like this are cute, with your "modern" hot hatches. I drive an old EP3 with full bolt-ons plus cams and tires stickier than your thieving fingers. 24mpg is worth the ability to fuck up stage 2 COBB WRX's and those Audi S4's with whatever modifications. My favorite part is the noise my car makes at 8k+. No other hot hatch can mimic that kind of song, it's just what a proper VTEC motor should sound like. The rest of you lot are embarassing.
>>15217658
Hahaha good one.
Cheap hot hatches? Im toying with jumping on a Panda 100HP short term. They seem pretty quirky and possibly fun
>>15214943
It's time to get a twingo.
Whatever happened to 140hp one?!
Just got a BNR tune for my chevy sonic this morning. It's very responsive now. It's a mild tune and it's still a very noticeable increase in performance.
I need to clean this thing off.
Some of those French hatches are not "Hot"
>>15220949
Don't really know my Citroëns so they might be questionable but the rest are definitely all hot
>>15221949
I've always wanted a Renaultsport Twingo desu, They look like much fun just to use as a fuckabout car
>>15209750
Probably quite well, it's lower with a lower cog, a little bit bigger inside, it's 170hp in the MiTo vs up to 180 in the abarth, which is also a tiny bit lighter, maybe giving the 595 the edge in acceleration, but I can't imagine ever needing more than the Alfa offers in Dynamic mode unless you're on track
whaddup friends
recommend me some good tires for muh hatchback pls
currently running on 10 year old Dunlop Sport 2000 iirc
185/55 15"
>>15224822
I had Potenzas on my Clio
>>15224822
>185/55 NIGGA THE TIRES ON MY MOTORCYCLE ARE BIGGER THAN THAT LMAO
>>15225470
>not being Europe
>riding a cruiser
>>15225578
Live in czech republic
Ride a sport bike Ducati 1199 panigale with 200/55 rear tire
>>15225587
but I have two rear tires
checkmate Czech anon
>>15225604
>adding unnecessary weight
Daily reminder that hot hatches are fucking shit and reserved ONLY for underage faggots who should probably be bus riders.
My absolute favorite thing to do on the road is demonstrate the superiority of German engineering by ripping mad 2nd gear pulls past shitty eco boxes in single lane 30mph zones.
>>15225655
I have a german hot hatch. Take that stupidfag!
Sup guys, I've been trying to do some research for my buddy who needs a new, cheap car (ideally) under 4.5k USD or through financing, no-credit & first-time-buyer. He surprisingly showed some interest in a hatchback when he talked to me about the Mazda3. What are your recommendations? I've never been overtly interested in hot hatches but they actually look a lot of fun, although I've noted not buying a hatch civic because of their typical owner at this price range.
>>15225655
Unless that audi sees a corner, at which point you better pretend you weren't actually trying to drive fast.
>>15221949
Yeah the zx was never a hot hatch. The AX and the BX had versions that were though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWxFvxQi4fY
>>15225655
>demonstrate the superiority of German engineering
bad handling..... not reliable.
>>15225693
>>15225886
>he thinks his shitbox can out corner an S4
lmao
>>15225957
fu stupid polack
>>15225655
>Audi S4 B6
Ahahaha, come back when you can afford a proper Audi friend
309 GTI 16
>>15225957
>audi
>handling
Choose one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cRhfPOBhpc
Audi is the example of a company that thinks stiff springs equals good handling and that's it.
GOLF 4 V6 4MOTION (quattro)
VS
CITROEN XANTIA V6 ACTIVA
The picture above really shows the difference of these two cars. Xantia Activa is the fastest car that Teknikens Värld have ever tested like this. When other cars spins, Activa is easy to drive throught cones.
Moose test.
Citroën Xantia, honhon.
>>15227078
I'll have the Impreza GT, blue und unmolested please.
Wouldn't mind a Xantia Activa 2.0T either though.
xantia activa 2.0T 150 remap@200hp/340N.m >>> activa V6.
can someone help me feel better about FWD? I'm honestly feeling really bad about it this /o/ stuff is getting to me
>>15227127
>>15227078
AWD>FF
![Q8jJdnM[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WrKgD60.jpg "Q8jJdnM[1].jpg")
Guys, if you're interested in the Abarth I'd suggest to go with the pre restyling model because of offers and discounted price because now pic related is out.
Also bumping some pics of the new model.
![oths4uN[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/i4FbkNy.jpg "oths4uN[1].jpg")
![EzqoRqz[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QQy1zMI.jpg "EzqoRqz[1].jpg")
![abarth-595-2016-interni[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6SLi2mx.jpg "abarth-595-2016-interni[1].jpg")
Other images here: http://ww3.autoscout24.it/classified/290099568?asrc=st|as
>dat carbon seats
>HNNNNNGGGGH
Any body want to buy a Cobb short shift plate for focus st ?
The grand daddy of them all, Autobianchi A112 Abarth.
>>15227189
Even an old opel astra can be really fun to drive, if you tune it right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxrWTZjtCXo
>>15227194
unless you want to make an actually light car, at which awd sucks.
>>15227250
See, I wasn't sold on the new Abarth but I've just had a play with the configurator. Modena Yellow or the Podium Blue/Black combo may have sold me on it. The options are just a step above the pre facelift
>>15194621
The FWD econo containment thread i've been dreaming of....
Heres my upboat
