What's the best off road vehicle?
I heard Jeeps actually aren't that good for off roading and mostly just a meme car because Americans like Jeeps. So what is a good car for off road action?
>>15193921
whatever purpose built off roader you have access to. if youre in america its a jeep. in britain its a landrover. in japan its a jimny/samurai. the list goes on. you can pick some exotic bullshit but its a giant waste of money
Any jeep is actually a capable off roading machine
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>>15193965
This
Also, it's not about the brand/model, it's all about your set up and how much you're willing to spend.
If you're talking plain stock then I'd go with one of the above.
>>15194085
You could set up a Miata for off-road for all I care.
>>15193921
Master race
>>15194108
Hiluxes are over rated now days.
Best for what? Rock crawling? Mudding? Expedition?
>>15194111
No, just overpriced
>>15193957
This.
Don't bother trying to spend a ton of money to get a "ready-made" off-roader. Get a cheap SUV/pickup with solid front and rear axles, then get a lift, bigger rims and offroad tires, and locking differentials for the offroad basics. If you're in America, the Jeep Cherokee is a great candidate for this. Just make sure you get a vehicle with good aftermarket support. You don't want to be stuck with no/expensive aftermarket equipment.
>>15193921
Whatever decent 4x4 vehicle is cheapest in your region.
>Diesel mechanical injection master race
>>15193921
UNIMOG
Niva
Uaz
Unimog
Pateikshu and cruisers
Defender
What is off road?
>all vehicles in this thread
>""""""off-road"""""""
>>15193965
>OLD Patrol/Landcruiser
Fixed.
Currently made ones are 3-ton, $100k land yachts full of electronics. And while LC200 still has sturdy suspension, crawl gears and stuff, Y62 Patrol is essentially a bloated Juke.
>>15194459
>that
>off-road
If you're going to post Russian vehicles, at least post some of their proper off-roaders.
>>15194493
>Not posting superior Zil screw-drive.
>>15194493
That's a cargo transporter, it doesn't have better abilities to go over shitty terrain - it just can carry 30 tons instead of 300 kg.
>>15194507
This thread is about stuff you can actually buy, though.
There is no offroad vehicle.
They are all built. You can't buy them.
But, the jeep rubicon is as capable or more capable than anything else on the market.
>>15194528
You CAN buy >>15194493 and >>15194459.
No idea how you can import them though.
>>15194519
>it doesn't have better abilities to go over shitty terrain
That one does. Aside from being amphibious, both the rear tracks and the front tracks are powered, and the middle linkage is hydraulically articulated, allowing it to lift up the front or the back to increase approach angles. Its bulk also allows it to force its way through thick bush and young trees. Also comes with winches (front and rear), cranes and power take-offs.
It's one of the more capable off-roaders available on the Russian civilian market, used mostly by oil companies to transport workmen and tools to remote sites and for transporting prospects and geologists to remove Siberia.
>>15194572
Trecol is also amphibious, has angles as big as its power and grip allow, and winches everywhere. It's used by the same oil companies in the same conditions when they need a light personnel transport instead of a huge truck. You're essentially comparing a Mustang to a Peterbilt.
>remove Siberia
stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. siberia greattst countrey
>>15194108
no
>>15194102
Or just Dont waste money and get one of these instead.
Soviet satellite bought them en masse and they're available surplus from $10k to $30k in Europe nowadays. Road speed up to 60 mph or something, amphibious speed up to 6 mph, armored, retractable belly wheels. Just gotta worry about getting them registered in your country.
>>15193921
>nissan patrol
>landrover defender
>mercedes g-class, but the old ones
>>15194155
>Jeep Cherokee
The 90s model right? Not a new Cherokee?
I remember doing my LandNav course in an Iltis. Incredibly capable little beast.
Lada Niva, of course. Tiny, full-time AWD plus crawling gear, awesome geometry, fixable with a hammer and vodka bottle, infinitely modifiable. And dirt cheap, so if you do get stuck afterall, you won't feel bad.
Puch G-Wagen, Lada Niva, Land Rover whateverthefuckitwas, Jeep Cherokee, Unimog
>>15195472
that is a real thing? I saw one of those but I thought it was a custom job
>>15193961
>Any jeep is actually a capable off roading machine
>>15195754
Renegade is not a Jeep. It's a Fiat.
>>15195748
Golf Country
>>15193921
>What's the best off road vehicle?
There isn't one.
What's best for you will depend on your specific usage. Purpose built is always going to perform better than stock.
>>15195637
By the way, there's been no such thing as Lada Niva since like 2003. Due to trademark bullshit, there's Lada 4x4 and Chevrolet Niva.
>>15193921
I personally like SUVs to offroad in
>Compact
Jeep Wrangler or CJ
Jeep Cherokee XJ
Toyota 4Runner 1st-3rd gen
Land Rover Defender
Nissan Pathfinder WD21
Ford Bronco 1st gen
>Full size
Dodge Ramcharger 1st-2nd gen
Chevy Blazer K5
Ford Bronco 2nd gen
Chevy Suburban 7th gen
Jeep Cherokee SJ
Jeep Wagoneer SJ
All of these are very capable off-roaders and can usually be had for cheap
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>>15196850
Fuck it. It's forever Niva in our hearts, we ain't gonna succumb to corporate bullshittery. Chevy Niva is a piece of trash anyway.
>>15193921
Gee OP, did you happen to hear this on a certain auto board of a Cantonese finger painting website?
>>15196943
Chevy Niva is the exact same thing under the hood though. You can swap like 90% of mechanical parts between them.
>>15193921
If a wrangler rubicon isn't a capable offroad vehicle then nothing is.
The best
Jeep is quite capable. The thing you need to worry about is reliability since its a chrysler. Nissan and Toyota is the surefire way to go.
>>15195955
all jeeps are fiat
>>15193961
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>>15195557
Yes. Older the better.
>>15197402
stock for stock from what ive personally seen the new one wins offroad
>>15197303
>not off road vehicle
>not parked on a road
The wrangler Rubicon is definitely the most versatile. XJs, WJs, and other older jeeps are great, too and cheap AF
>>15197486
Oh, let them have their trendy 90s retro nostalgia. It's not like they can afford a vehicle built this century anyway.
>>15193921
>What's the best off road vehicle?
Tatra make the best. You just can't get the same performance while hauling heavy shit from anything western.
any SUV from the time before soccer moms bought them to replace minivans.
>>15201091
This.
They say: If you want to go into the wilderness, drive a Land Rover. If you want to come back, drive a Land Cruiser.
>nobody remembers how great these things are
Seriously, they are great for 4x4 and they came with the 4.0 v6 or the 5.3 v8
>>15201290
and driven by teenager girls
Mercedes G Wagon for sure!!!
>>15201290
And don't forget cheap and readily available.
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>>15201290
They came with 3 engines depending on year.
4.0 OHV
4.0 SOHC (not reliable)
5.0 OHV - same engine as fox body but makes more torque down low.
My 5.0 is modded to 230 HP and 330 ft/lbs torque.
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>>15201290
>carrecalls02.jpg
Nice subtlety.
Depends what you want to do.
Heavy cars suck in the mud for example. So, in that situation, I'd rather leave a G wagon at home and take some really light old Toyota with some wider tires on it (or even if the tires were the same width).
Big obstacles? Need the ground clearance.
Wild gradients? Want something with low center of gravity.
etc.
>>15201290
I've got a first gen, and its just fine wherever i take it
>>15195485
maybe i can get it registered as a modified dodge caravan
>>15193921
What's the most ridiculously compact off road car you can think of?
>>15195637
>And dirt cheap,
Nope
>>15206592
Sierra
>>15201076
There's off-roading, and there's off-roading. To the point where you can trundle across minefields because the ground pressure's so low, or on top of snowfields, over whatever level of sand, and even swamps.
>>15207077
Or, of course, you go amphibious.
>>15204466
>registered as a fiero with a body kit
fixed
>>15206592
Depends on how much you're willing to stretch the definition of a "car".
Suzuki Samurais make fine off-road shitboxes.
>>15193921
>>15195465
offroad=/=overland
>>15208209
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU RUIN THIS CAR
>>15207077
One of the demo's the instructors showed us when I was learning to drive the BV206 was to run over someones legs with it. Sure it kind of sucked, but ground pressure was so low it never even bruised.
>>15208241
fucking this. /o/ doesn't know the difference.
>>15201181
>they say
autism
>>15195637
>awesome geometry?
>>15202248
thats a fucking oven m8.
this is the best.
People who think Jeeps are memes just don't know what desirable off road qualities are. Ground clearance, solid front axles, approach angles, and size depending on different factors. Jeeps are an excellent off roading platform.
>>15193921
This is coming from a toyota guy: you are mistaken. wranglers are great off road even from the factory. Just dont use them for anything else and youre good.
>>15196911
>4runner 1-3
Landcruiser F(z)J series of the same era wipes the floor with those.
>>15209955
>diesel Wrangler coming in a year or two
My body is ready.
>>15210149
I'm curious to see what other design choices they implement as well
>>15211306
They're making a pickup body style Wrangler too.
>>15197486
What stock cherokees are you looking at? Besides the top of the line trailhawk most of them are just fwd mallcruisers. Good luck trailing with one of those...
>>15211425
ive only seen the xj off-road in stock form
so maybe im wrong
but i believe a 20016 forester is better off-road than a stock xj
at least is has a stock tow point
wtf were u thinking jeep
no tow hook?
YMMV
>>15212012
>a visible tow is the measure of how well a vehicle performs offroad
You should quit from life if the idea of having to fit a pair of these is harder to live with as opposed to gaining a drivetrain designed to go offroad.
>>15197486
>>15193921
VW bug.
Hitler did nothing wrong. Literally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vae9T_6nyT4
>>15194479
>LC200
>Y62
No anon, not the luxury models.
79 series LC and Y61 Patrols are still being released in Aus, and are still good, but I did mean the old landies and patrols
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>>15211393
Too bad it's going to have a Wrangler style front end.
Think anyone will make body kits for a Kaiser style grille and hood?
>>15195748
About 5k of them were made.
>>15212045
My truck has them ya dip
And u should quit from life if ur "off-road" vehicle doesn't even come with them
>pro tip
>jeep never meant for them to leave the mall parking lot
>>15213814
>My truck has them ya dip
As did my old J75 Landcruiser ya nimrod. I was comparing an XJ to the Forester that other mouth breather was talking about.
>fucking context, how does that work?
>>15194346
https://youtu.be/lvoZAlna90g
All others are irrelevant.
>>15213828
I am that mouth breather ya goon
Park a stock XJ next to a current gen outback and u will notice that the XJ has WORSE clearance and is no bigger than the outback(or forester w/e)
And the subie has tow points
A better wheelspin management system
And is 20 plus years younger
Stock for stock I "believe" the new trail hawk would out wheel the XJ
That was my point
XJ are trash unmodified that fall apart on the trail
>>15213854
Ah bullshit. The locked centre and low range accounts for more than some drawn angles on paper you pillock. Otherwise a Suzuki SX4 would be one of the most capable offroaders off the showroom floor... which it isn't.
>>15213864
Ur gear range doesn't matter when ur axles a sitting on a rut
>>15194147
Those are mutually exclusive
>>15213880
If you're enough of a pillock to drive a line that bottoms your axles out, there's nothing that'll get you through.
>>15213892
Well the gentleman in question did purchase a 20 yo jeep to daily so pillock is spot on
>said jeep is no longer in service
>>15193921
Geo Tracker master race
