By 2020 they will extend it to all cars made before 2010.
See what happens when you elect a socialist woman into office? This shit pisses me off beyond belief because I know that this will start happening in certain US cities by the next few years.
http://qz.com/697705/paris-is-banning-all-cars-built-before-1997/
>>15191129
Not in the US, not if auto-industry lobbyists have their way (which they will)
>>15191143
You're retarded m8. The automakers wouldn't want this to pass so they can sell their shitty new cars to people who live in the city
>>15191129
>all those Twingos
>>15191129
You're slaves. They don't want you to have any autonomy. Do Europeans really not understand this?
inb4
>Hurr durr but the NSA
Yeah no shit, that's why we keep making it a political issue instead of rolling over like a whore.
>>15191156
Would want*
>>15191163
my dick just got hard
>>15191163
...will get scrapped or sold for fuck all.
>>15191129
They're banning 10% of cars during weekdays only
>>15191213
>europoor gladly accepting being violated in every orifice
>>15191247
as expected of a continent of cucks
>>15191247
What you on about? I've never even been to France you dumb burger.
>>15191260
in that case
>defending cuckoldry of this magnitude
>>15191166
The problem is that the ban makes perfect sense. As much as I like cars, some EU cities have layouts that are centuries old that weren't built with heavy traffic in mind, and the level of smog is making the air fucking unbreathable. Nobody wants to be on a respirator when they hit their fifties.
We are capable of understanding that a law might have a shit effect but is ultimately necessary. For an american that must sound like rocket surgery.
>>15191291
>not just accepting, but actually defending this cuckoldry
You yuropoors fucking get what you deserve. All of it.
>>15191291
So what the fuck are the poor who can't afford new cars or post y2k cars supposed to drive? They're just fucked by this law.
>>15191324
Either don't live in Paris or use public transport. It might be alien to Americans but in some countries the public transport actually works
>>15191291
This is sheer idiocy, there is no huge difference between emissions of old and new cars, particularly with recent frauds we may question all emission tests done on modern cars.
What is far more efficient is Congestion charge, despite that it's uncomfortable for motorists, from societal perspective it's much better way to limit air pollution.
>>15191129
is that a qt twingo hiding behind the citroen
>>15191324
Opposed to the fact that the whole city, including the poor, will be completely fucked if the smog continues to build up at this rate.
Honestly, fuck the poor. They can catch the bus, or the metro. Or they can work harder and get a cheap new car. I don't want cancer fumes up my ass all day because a dumb muslim runs his 30 year old stolen BMW back and forth to the mosque.
>>15191378
>fuck the poor
That's not very socialist of you.
>>15191378
>cars made when the world was more careful about emissions pollute more than modern cars where nobody really cares that much and find ways around the roles like volkswagen
>>15191382
Sometimes, someone has to get the short end of the stick.
>>15191129
Meh. Paris is overrated anyway.
>>15191324
So what the fuck are the poor who can't afford [...] post y2k cars supposed to drive?
If the restriction was starting this year I would agree with you but remember that by the time the restriction comes into place cars made during 2010 will be ten years old. Cars from 2010 aren't that cheap now, but that will be different in four years' time. Besides the public transport in Paris works just fine. When I was there having a car to get around instead of the Metro would have just been annoying with the traffic, parking and the way the locals drive.
>>15191336
>justifying shitty laws
I lived in Paris for a couple years (Avignon before that), and I never owned a car and did just fine. But it's more than an issue of practicality, but one of freedom to choose. Not being able to choose what you drive is absurd, and is working hard to force people to go into debt for new cars. People who are driving 20+ year-old shitboxes in most occasions don't have the money to outright buy a newer car, especially in an area as expensive as Paris. In America people would start screaming about being a shill for the car makers, which would more than likely be correct.
>>15191362
Is right that congestion charges are better for what Paris wants to do.
>all these big city cucks getting fucked in the ass by the government and can not do a single thing about it.
Meanwhile I live on my farm in the mountains 15km away from the nearest house.
I got a big mountain pass all to myself, clean air, my cars and most importantly I don't deal with retards.
The solution is simple, if Paris wants it, people that make it up will leave.
Nothing bad about that.
Just find a new home and let the pigs roll in their dirt shit city.
>>15191378
>Honestly, fuck the poor. Or they can work harder.
You sound like you came from the USA. But the USA doesn't have the dire smog problem that France has in the Paris region. Since the old cars pollute like mad especially if they cut the catalytic converter and only put it in for inspections, it make sense. Newer cars can also phone home car sensor status so perhaps the newer models will have better defenses against those who evade pollution laws by running without catalytic converters (like in the american south).
>>15191143
Sema won't let that happen
>>15191129
>Paris to ban all cars made before 1997
It could be a good security feature too as Paris has had a violent 2015. Older cars don't phone home the locations or have built-in microphones to listen in to suspected terrorist conversations.
Newer drive by wire cars can also be remotely commanded to misbehave (fuel injector control profile change), thus forcing suspects to bring the car in for service. At that time, bugs can be planted in the car and the misbehaviour can be uncommanded.
/o/ stop being selfish pricks
1. You can still drive on weekends.
2. Primary reason was due to pollution.
3. Older cars lack the general standards for safety
I get that hooning is fun but looking at the greater picture the environment and general well being of everyone takes priority over vroom vrooming.
If anyone is at fault it's the retarded drivers who refused to install pollution filters on their outdated vehicles to cut emission. I'm fine with the ban.
>>15192277
>But muh De chacun selon ses facultés, à chacun selon ses besoins
Fuck off commie. You aren't welcome in the America's european colony.
>>15192277
>I get that hooning is fun but looking at the greater picture the environment and general well being of everyone takes priority over vroom vrooming.
>If anyone is at fault it's the retarded drivers who refused to install pollution filters on their outdated vehicles to cut emission. I'm fine with the ban.
get the fuck out
What about historical vehicles? Does that mean no more vintage Citroëns in Paris? No vintage Bugattis?
>>15192323
Vehicles with "historical significance" or some shit are exempt.
>>15192306
The commies are the ones who want the ban lifted
OH nooo the pooooor
Fuck off. The ban stays.
>>15192277
The amount of actual co2 production from cars is minuscule compared to industrial and environmental sources.
And, hardly anyone removes emissions equipment. It's like 0.001% of car owners.
And as long as the third world is still dumping insane amounts of industrial pollution into the environment I'm not worried about my straight piped track car, pussy nigga.
>By 2020 they will extend it to all cars made before 2010.
By 2020 France will be part of the Eurabian Caliphate at the rate things are going.
>Being forced to own a car that you can't work on
Wew.
>eurocucks are ACTUALLY defending this
Range ban. Now.
congestion charges are better solution rather than arbitrarily deciding cars older than 20 years aren't allowed.
also is it just cars or are old bikes fugged too?
>>15191291
This probably wouldn't be a issue if Euro emissions regulations weren't pants-on-head retarded.
>>15192453
>paris is europe
stop being dumb
>>15192344
So only the rich can afford to be enthusiasts, nice
>people still think cars are anywhere near the main source of air pollution
jesus
>>15192361
IT IS THE COMMIES GOY, THESE FUCKING PRO-PALESTINIAN ANTISEMITES
NOW BUY BRAND NEW EXPENSIVE VEHICLE YOU DIDN'T NEEDED, MORE SAFE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT WITH 0,00000001% LESS POLLUTANTS
>>15192859
Fuck the poor. Be less fucking poor
>>15193135
underage bait get out
>>15192277
This is how manual driving cars get banned 30 years from now in favor of self driving cars
Some dumbfuck will make the same exact argument as you to justify it
>>15193260
But only poorfags can't buy a GoogleSelfDrivingCar™ amirite
>>15191129
You can't drive an old car like 2cv but Ferrari Lambo Porsche it's ok. Yeah for pollution... Ty Paris
>>15192277
>but looking at the greater picture the environment and general well being of everyone
Cars play a tiny role in this. But hey, the general, car owning public is easiest to milk. They don't complain.
>>15192323
>>15192344
You have to register your car as "collection" I don't remember everything, but every car which was built more than 30 years ago is eligible.
>>15192560
It is even more restrictive for bikes as it less that 10 years old if I recall correctly.
>>15191364
>triple hood vents
you bet your butt it is
>>15191129
How can you ban cars made before 1997?
Like will they arrest me if I just drive a car made before 1997?
Am I able to go through Paris as a foreigner who has a car made before 1997,more importantly will they arrest me or something?
Will they force me to scrap my car made before 1997?
Will anyone be able to drive actual important classic cars,let's say a rare Traction Avant or something like that around,will these kind of cars get a pass?
Fucking frenchies,I hope Paris will get completely flooded by the Seine
Also imagine all the good cars that will have to go to shit somehow,I can't fucking imagine this whole thing,it just doesn't make sense
>>15194886
you'll have a label on the windshield, with a color code. If your color corresponds to an older vehicle that 1997 you will receive an almond.
The collection vehicles will have the right to move if they have gray card "vintage car".
And if you have an older car that 1997 you can only circulate in Paris over the weekend
SAVE THE TWINGOS
French fag here, with some actual info for you: http://www.lemonde.fr/pollution/article/2016/06/01/plan-antipollution-de-paris-quels-vehicules-sont-concernes_4930213_1652666.html
>Starting from July the first, all cars, vans and trucks running on petrol or diesel and made before 1997, and all bikes made before 1999 will be forbidden from 8am to 8pm on weekdays.
>This is part of a program of increasingly harder restrictions which will be fully deployed by 2020. The main goal is to completely remove diesel vehicles.
>For now, the restrictions will only be applied in the inner Paris. The "Peripherique" boulevard is exempt from this restrictions.
Also, since some of you started discussing what would happen to the poor:
>people who give up on their personal vehicle will be given an "Autolib" pass with 50% discount (car sharing service) OR one free year metro and bicycle sharing service OR 400€ to buy their own bicycle, electrical or not.
>>15191213
>It's ok guys it's only for 71% of the week when people would need to go to work and stuff
>>15195026
>Sell your shitbox that sips fuel and has tons of anti pollution measures in place
>Buy an electric bike that requires coal and oil to burn unfiltered to charge it
>That'll save the environment
Gg no re
>>15191291
yes this makes sense so lets ban cars from the years when they were still small, and only allow todays bloated jellybeans instead
>>15192444
trips of truth
>>15191291
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-south-korea-emissions-idUKKCN0YP0EF
uhh huh its just cars from 1996 causing this problem
>>15191382
Sure it is there will be ample public transportation for the classes he enjoys as seeing "beneath him" until he is pushed into that class then it'll be revolution just like usual for fucking France.
>>15191397
Viva la bourgeoisie!
>>15191129
in germany they plan even harsher limitations
>no diesel in city center built before september 2015
>no gas built before 1998
they check the "Abgasnorm" and you'll get a sticker for your windshield so that you can enter city center
>This is going to happen this or next year.
The regulations on diesel cars are super strict, way too many cars are affected.
>>15191129
Who /Paris/ and selling his shitbox to get a Twizy?
I'm actually considering getting one when my shitbox dies, they seem pretty cool and they're actually fairly cheap considering you don't pay for any gas.
Instead of banning old cars, they should improve public transport so that the only people who would want to drive are enthusiasts. Besides, cars don't even produce the majority of pollution.
>>15195398
Are those the green stickers I saw in Berlin?
Last September those didn't exist yet, and when I returned to Berlin two weeks ago I had several parking attendants hit my window saying "uhh green thingie sir"
>mfw
So my 2011 Citroën C5 diesel would be illegal?
>>15193770
2cv probably pollutes more.
Ferraris and lambobattis still have to meet Euro 6 standards.
>>15195124
France is 80% nuclear retard.
>>15191163
Nnn......
>>15195428
still isn't very ecological...
>>15195421
the green ones are the current standart,
there are also red and yellow ones, they are not allowed in city center (inside the s-bahn ring)
you won't see red and yellow aymore because no one gets a new one because it doesn't help anything.
the new sticker will be blue
fine is relativly high (80€) and everyone has to pay, when caught; locals, cars from another town and cars registered in foreign countries. The chance is relativly low, actually only in areas where you need to pay for parking in the street.
fun fact: the limit for foreigners is 70€, fines below 70 will not be prosecuted because the costs for getting the money are higher than the actual fine.
>>15195421
no they exist since 2008, maybe you just didn't notice
yes your french baguette would be illegal
>>15195026
>>15195124
Have political elites in the Western Europe gone completely mad? Seriously, limiting cars to specific years is utter stupidity. There are at least two more reasonable options.
1) Congestion charge - you drive in the city center you pay congestion charge
2) Engine or car based congestion charge. - The more your car pollutes the more you pay. Create chart to pick models and based on that calculate pollution or subcontract authorized services, which will measure emissions.
Only reason to put forward proposal about specific years is so that people would buy newer cars. If you want to achieve that as a government there are far better ways to do it, such as increasing safety norms so that cars after certain years couldn't pass such exams. For example, make airbag mandatory equipment.
>>15195499
I think auto manufacturers might have had some influence to these decisions if you get what I'm saying :^)
>>15195499
>political elites in the Western Europe gone completely mad
Yes, yes they absolutely have. Just look at the mass mudslime invasion and government speech censorship.
>>15195499
Cars are evil and need to be phased out, that seems to be their reasoning.
>>15191163
twingo was produce until 2008 so you will still see a shitload of them
>>15195450
Crushers be working overtime
>>15195521
S-stop
>>15195534
Somebody needs to buy up a fuckton of old, dented, exiled Twingos for next to no money, restore them, store them, baby them and export them to burgerland for /o/tists when they're legal.
>>15191129
everyone in Europe shit on Paris because of the pollution
it's normal that they use deseperate mesure
but i don't think it will pass like the no motorcycle before 2000
>>15195534
The crushers won't be able to handle the inrush of twingos and they will have to turn to the Americans...
>>15195538
Except when they actually get in one of those shitboxes and drive it for a few minutes they'll realize they really dont want to pay (original cost + restoration cost + shipping and import costs + storage cost)*1.10 for a European equivalent of a Geo Metro, no matter how cute it is.
At least now you'll be able to take your old machine out and be chased by the dystopian eco-police while blasting Rage Against the Machine like some sort of low-tier antihero.
>>15195428
>Paris with a 2.25 million population
>Unemployment of France is about 10%
>Let's say about 250000 jobless, 2 million with jobs
>French car ownership rate is a about 580:1000
>We'll round down to 1:2 and say 1 million people own a car
>Can't find a French stat but the EU average of cars older than 2009 vs newer is about 50%
So you're telling me the current power grid and production can handle up to 500000 new electric vehicles or more being charged every single day?
>>15195632
>So you're telling me the current power grid and production can handle up to 500000 new electric vehicles or more being charged every single day?
am i? because i certainly didn't write that
>>15195574
I don't have anymore crying anime girls
Now this is making me feel pissy
>>15195580
A car being bad hasn't stopped people from buying it in the past
>>15195698
That's what you implied
>>15195709
Unless you're selling these cute little fuckers at a huge loss, nobody is going to pony up a few thousand dollars for a cramped 60 horsepower shitbox. They cost less then a kebab over there for a reason.
>>15195718
That is what you inferred.
I merely stated a fact.
>>15195745
That's if you're selling it to the wrong demographic, and too early before the market on them turns. There's always the chance somebody with too much money on their hands will see it in a google search and get enthralled by it enough to want one. That's where anon comes in with his small collection of restored Twingos, tucked away for just such an occasion.
At that point it's about marketing your Twingos, and overpricing them based on the demand, if you don't think either is high enough, wait a few years.
Paris a shit. Fucking crap hole filled with "bobo écolo" like we call them. Place is a shitty nightmare to drive in anyway.
>>15195871
My French is, rusty, does "bobo ecolo" have something to do with hipsters or hippies?
>>15195887
Bobo means "Bourgeois Bohémien", which is rich peoples pretending to be poor/middle class and very much acting like hipsters. Pure cancer of the society. And Paris is filled with them. And Ecology is the new trend.
Bad cars, BAD!
>>15195868
They made over two million Twingo 1's. This shits never going to be worth importing in bulk, let alone restoring. If anyone wanted one, they'd get it themselves, because it'd be cheaper then buying from a guy who's had to store them for years and make a profit.
>>15195899
Weird, it's almost the opposite in America where poor people try to act rich, more often than not spending beyond their means, buying expensive clothes and cars they can't really afford payments on.
Cities tend to have the worst demographic
>>15195899
>tfw les bobos are moving into your arrondissement
How long do I have before it becomes completely unbearable? I prefer the Muslims to these people.
>>15195913
And Paris is a shithole. It's okay if you want to visit Art museums, famous landmarks and such, but tourists who say "I've been to Paris, I've been to France" is insulting because Paris is nothing like France, and it's not a place many French have in high regards.
>>15195928
>assblasted bouseux
>>15191291
Boo hoo. There's something called banning traffic in the strict city centre. And besides, whoever doesn't like it is free to move the fuck away, entitled fucks. I live next to a mall that was built across the street and it shines like a dying star all night making it annoying, but nobody asked me for my permission.
>>15191166
Europeans are heavily indoctrinated by the EU-funded media and state-financed cultural scene. Just go over to /r/europe on leddit and read some titles. Collectivism and faggotry all around.
>>15195958
le parigo de merde repéré
>>15195904
Is that before or after they've been sent to the trash compactors and foundry's en masse? With low supply comes high price when there's any amount of demand.
>>15195928
Dude I know, if I ever go back to visit the old country I'm staying the fuck away from the cities, Paris especially. Much rather tour the countryside and coast, visit small towns, Nord pas de Calais and Normandy in particular
>>15195964
>>15195963
>disregards the fact that the law makes perfect sense to avoid pollution and traffic
>complains about the lack of laws stopping some faglord building a mall in a residential area
you are a dumb faggot
>>15195982
>tripfags calling someone a faggot
>>15195987
well, then he is just a dumbass
>>15195913
>Weird, it's almost the opposite in America where poor people try to act rich, more often than not spending beyond their means, buying expensive clothes and cars they can't really afford payments on.
And meanwhile many young adults in the upper and upper-middle classes take pride in dressing like homeless lumberjacks while shopping more-or-less exclusively at the most expensive greengrocers they can find on their parents' dime.
>>15195470
Jeez, I just noticed that my diesel car would get yellow sticker. Only way to fix it is to either install DPF, or try to get someone to sell me green sticker despite that, funny thing is my model came with both EURO 3 and EURO 4 emission fulfilling standards and it just happens to be that my is EURO3.
p.s Even if my car would fulfill Euro 4 norms I would still remove DPF filter.
>>15191166
It's fucking France, and Paris at that. They've been slaves for centuries there anyway, and this is what 'le people' want.
By which, they mean the unions. And they don't want any rich tourists seeing old cars.
Besides, it means they won't lose any classics the next time they have a huge riot and burn everything, as happens every few years.
>>15191637
good idea since i cant afford living in paris i will build my home just in front of ya.
>>15192191
The south will rise again.
>>15195428
It will be.
>>15198552
>mfw
Good. All cars made before 1997 should be crushed. There's no point in keeping a car that old. A house yes but cars are disposable. Even ferraris.
>>15198633
nice bait. people on any other board wouldn't respond but being /o/ people will respond seriously
>>15195398
>Can't drive a 2013 S Class with a diesel engine in a German city
That's beyond stupid
>tfw American
>tfw driving your 70s de-smogged landyacht in Atlanta traffic
>tfw nobody can stop you
>>15195470
>fine is relativly high (80€) and everyone has to pay, when caught; even cars registered in foreign countries
Lets see them fucking try
>>15195398
>don't have a green sticker
>drive in restricted towns for years
>nothing happens
enjoy wasting 5 euros.
>>15191324
They can just not be poor anymore. Simple.
>>15191291
You could always just ban poor emissions instead of sweeping bans based on the age of the body, but then you might have to actually use tax dollars on something other than feeding starving muslims. Like emissions testing.
but they're socialists, they don't want to imagine cars being property, and therefore open to modification by anyone but the manufacturer or an approved™ and subsidized mechanic
>>15199772
Yet.
When the virus that is californian libshits spreads out into the country harder than it has we'll have to fight these fucks on the road.
What ur saying is I can import 100 twingos for dirt cheap.
>>15192277
cuck detected
>>15191163
>$1000 or under twingos everywhere
>>15201506
More like <€500. There's plenty under 1k already.
Fuck, why not just mandate switchgrass (but let's be honest here, hemp is better) E100 conversions if you're so concerned about emissions?
Fuck, I'd drive a neat ehtanol car.
>>15201513
Tons of €300 Twingos in Eastern Europe.
They're shit cars though, only autists on /o/ like them.
>>15201521
For a couple hundred eurobucks they're a fine deal.
>>15191129
>ban is set to only take place on weekdays between 8am and 8pm
>only in center of Paris
But what about classics?
>>15195402
> No doors
You'll freeze in winter
> Battery powered
Batteries will die in winter.
> No fucking doors
You'll stop at a red light. Some shitstain frenchman will laugh at you, steal your wallet, and be off into the catacombs before you can unfasten your seatbelt.
You'll go to a policeman to report a crime, and he'll ticket you for parking.
>>15202088
Fuck, Citroen is the most bold and inventive European auto maker.
>>15202135
>was
The days when French made good cars.
