why do people building purpose build track cars buy shit like civics when things like miata and mr2 are in the same price range
im not saying dd, im saying a pure track race car
i dont get it
you dont feel the difference between rwd and fwd with only 180 hp
Things to consider when building a track car:
what class runs full fields at tracks near you
time/effort/money it takes to be competitive in the class
enjoyability of racing the class
It doesn't matter at all how fast or cool something is as a street car, has nothing to do with racing. That said I doubt there's anywhere in the world where a Civic or MR2 is a better option than a Miata for actual competitive racing.
>>15158450
You'd be wrong
>>15158703
If I was I'm sure you would have said where/why there's a fuller field of Civics or MR2s than Miatas
>>15158724
Misguided people. Chill out shill
>>15158434
When a car only weighs 2000lbs and has sport tires it doesn't matter if it's fwd or rwd.
Civics are just a cheap platform to build on.
A gutted ek civic with racing tires and a turbo is gonna preform just as well as a Miata with similar mods.
>>15158741
Why not do miata then
Civic is a Goat entry level racer
Miata has shit suspension, engine, and can easily weigh more
MR2s I dont know wouldnt even consider one and dont know shit about it
>>15158758
I've owned both. Honestly it just depends what you like more. Both are equally fun when properly built.
>>15158770
But o and jalopnik said rwd is champ and miata is always answer
Mr.Two and the miata aren't fun wheel drive and it's a food choice for people who don't care about drifting
>>15158730
>>15158741
>>15158770
>>15158777
Cool, where do you live where full fields of Civics are being fielded in a competitive series?
>>15158758
Rain
>>15158778
why would you take memes seriously
>>15158796
Not a factor
This isn't a thread to argue the practicality of one car over another
>>15158795
These people are just having fun on track day with their vehicles and don't give two fucks about what you Benchracers (basementracers more like it) have to say
>>15158795
literally every racing series where theyre allowed to compete in the USA?
see way more Civics than MR2s and Miatas and they usually do well too
>>15158785
you can drift ff just fine
>>15158808
>These people are just having fun on track day with their vehicles
Let's take a look at OP's post
>im saying a pure track race car
Which is it, just having fun or a purpose build track car? Why would you build a car just to do open track days? Nobody does that
>>15158810
Such as? I don't think you actually race my friend, but I'm sure you'll find another clever way to evade the question.
>>15158804
>Rain is not a factor with RWD on a race track
Found the retard
>>15158823
Im not listing everything they can race in
despite the shit you post I have to assume its all fake and youve never even been to a track before
>arguing with heartbreaker
its a lost cause I know
>>15158842
>>15158873
Why do people like you two offer up advice on something you clearly know absolutely nothing about? Is this something you do in your everyday lives or just anonymously on the internet? Is it a weird fetish or something?
>>15158893
Why do you do the same thing? Why do you raise arguments in every thread you're in ?
You're wrong, accept it already
>>15158893
You constantly shit post. You have a heightened sense of self worth because youre an attention whore who put words into the name field. I track 2 cars every fucking weekend, I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Maybe you have never driven anything over 250hp on the track, or maybe you are literally this dumb, but you are wrong. RWD is a huge headache in wet conditions
>>15158900
>where in the world are more Civics fielded than Miatas
>I can't say where but you're wrong
Are you going to post in circles or come up with some tangible reason anyone on earth would have a better time racing a Civic than a Miata?
>>15158938
Your post didn't even dignify a response, in every single actual competitive racing class you are racing against other people with the same drivetrain layout as you, there is no "headache" every racer has the same issues to contend with. If RWD is a problem in the wet for you it's going to be a problem in the dry as well.
>>15158989
What on earth is wrong with you?
>>15158434
If you're going to race why not go with a real racecar? By that I mean one with no roof or fenders. You can go a hell of a lot faster for the money you spend and they're really nice to work on since everything was designed with the express purpose of going fast and being taken apart all the time in mind. Sports cars will always be a compromise, something designed for the street that has been repurposed. I get why people like spec miata from a pure field size perspective but they just don't tickle my nether regions the way a proper racecar does.
>>15158938
Hardparking your shitvic doesn't count as going to a track, faggot.
>>15158938
how about you post pics corey
forza doesn't count
>>15158434
Civics can be made fast cheaply and fwd is ez?
It is because civics are produced in millions and so are the parts and aftermarket shti, nobody is bothering making aything for the miatas, cause they're just not popular and everything has to be handmade or produced specifically for these shitboxes, moreover the miata is a convertible which makes it pretty much useless for racing cause the chassis can't handle power or anything
"miata is best racecar" is a really dumb meme parroted by idiots.
integra's and civics reliably blow miatas out of the water to the point where the type R variants had to be banned and EVEN THEN the si variants still destroy miatas.
how does anyone look at something like this and with a straight face claim miatas are actually good cars.
>>15161042
RWd is better.
13B tt miata beats any civic
>>15161042
buyers remorse is a helluva feeling I guess
think most Miatafags suffer from it
>>15161951
>make a massive sacrifice just for RWD
>cars that are more practical are still doing better
>miata is rattling and banging all the time
I know many people who hate convertible but got the miata for cheap RWD.
These people honestly think the Miata is the most fun,best car in the price range.
You can have fun in any car, I'd argue a civic is more fun and can handle better.
>>15162051
Honestly.
I have fun in my slushbox corolla, it's all about what you do in it.
Just because it's FWD doesn't mean it's fun.
>>15162099
HELLO?
FWD = FUN WHEEL DRIVE
>>15158450
>I doubt there's anywhere in the world where a Civic or MR2 is a better option than a Miata for actual competitive racing.
Miata chassis' are floppy as all fuck though.
>>15162231
Why don't people understand that what makes a good race car has nothing to do with what it's like as a street car? If there were massive fields of 90s Chrysler Town and Countries all across the US and the ruleset allowed for very closely built cars on a reasonable budget (like Spec Miata) then Chrysler Town and Countries would make great race cars. Then you have an awesome car with all the best racing tech like a BAC Mono, but no class to race in and nobody can work on it, it's a shitty race car, even though it's a monstrous car on the track.
>>15162210
more like faggy white dicks lmfao
>>15162276
a.k.a. your ride
http://www.worldtimeattack.com/index.php/2015-results/
Because civics are amazing.
>>15162231
I don't think you understand what the issue is here. Cars like Miatas and E30s make awesome track cars because you can easily and cheaply build them to spec and race competitively. This is hands down the best way to become a good track driver.
Miatas are also kings of pretty much any autocross event, another high fun:dollar kind of driving that is great for improving your skills
Now if only they made a fucking coupe version of the miata, I would buy one. I fucking hate convertibles.
>>15162441
are you saying you'd honestly buy a base civic over na miata
>>15162448
B16 civic isn't a base civic. But still a SOHC civic is probably a better car than a miata.
>>15162455
its cheaper to engine swap and tune the civic than a miata
honda parts are literal legos
>the base 6th gen civic hatch is better than na miata
haha what?
really? buy a civic for the same money as miata? enn oohh
>>15162476
I can guarantee you a stock Civic SiR EK will obliterate any miata up to NC generation. Then if you can find a Type R... well, let's just say it's not even a comparison at that point. But this doesn't even matter, the MR-S is better than both and has higher potential.
>>15162536
>I can guarantee you a stock Civic SiR EK will obliterate any miata up to NC generation.
Well it had better, because you'll pay 3x as much for a halfway decent Si-R EK as you will for a clean miata
>>15162536
What racing body are you referring to where stock Miatas, Hondas, and MR-S's race side by side? Why are the other cars bothering to enter the field if they are getting obliterated?
>>15162536
I just want to know if I should buy this 6th generation Honda Civic that's 3000 dollars (probably can lower it) over a 3000 dollar Miata NA.
Pretty sure it's the base model , its a hatch.
>>15162590
post a link
for 3k it better have some work done to it
Miatas are garbage so its not hard to be better
>>15162610
Its completely stock, pretty sure its just 3500 inflated because every other Civic is completely fucked.
You can't buy a good car for less than 2500 here
>>15162568
Best I can do is make guesses based on stats and there's some stock side by side racing in best motoring battles.
Like this video for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qlVs1uoNX0
>>15160920
FWD owner is drinking piss as usual
>>15162675
>civic being BTFO
>>15162950
By some rare ass one-off model that you will only encounter in gran turismo
>>15158795
Vtec club usa
>>15162675
so bullshit bench racing comparisons using models that weren't even sold in the USA being driven by professional drivers who have 100 times the experience and skill you do in a entertainment show (where mind you they're not racing competitively and using their full skill/talent to show off for the audience)
why not just get the one you like and that's it end of story
this /v/-tier bullshit is getting old, i regret help starting 2 years ago
>>15162955
by a stock ass mx5
the supreme civic type r
haha what a joke
