Do you hate French cars?
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Do you hate French cars?
>>15100029
Yes
![cache_18369503[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zUawe5b.jpg "cache_18369503[1].jpg")
>>15100029
french cars a best
>>15100029
you were expecting good taste from a mainly american board?
>>15100033
>>15100044
>>15100099
Checked
I'm starting to like them for some reason. Make me stop
f7r best sounding inline 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvXJnFqv_Jg
>>15100029
>French Wheel Drive
>>15100152
Could also be called first wheel drive
Depends on the car. pic related is one that I want.
>>15100147
civic with fart cannon maybe, def not best. not even top 100
>>15100180
Are you a male tsundere?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYYTV5vlOL0
Lightweight car, low center of gravity plus great suspension geometry equals amazing cornering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAocmae9vyE
>picking up the kids in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ4X4l56Q1w
>>15100029
Everyone hates French cars.
That's why no one outside of France and 3rd-world countries too poor to afford something else buy them.
Man Renault Twingo is best car in the world.
>>15100478
Should I start listing 3rd world countries?
Fucking Renault making a mid engine rwd sports car still confuses me.
They don't produce a single car that I could afford and want
And the ones I want I'll probably never afford or get a chance to buy
>>15100645
They are making an RR car right now you know
So french
>>15102373
so pretty
>>15100661
>he DOESN'T want a Twingo
what a babyback bitch
>>15102381
so cool
>>15102398
![6KoDwOH[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Sey7ut0.jpg "6KoDwOH[1].jpg")
>>15102406
breh
![venturi-210-03[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kJuUgQw.jpg "venturi-210-03[1].jpg")
based venturi
I'm glad because the french have finally started making good looking cars again.
>>15100333
imagine what that would sound like in the back seat
>>15102398
>>15102381
>>15102406
This looks REALLY sexy but I don't see any seams or openings. Is it one of the "put it in service if you want to change oil" type of cars?
>still no original Citroen DS
>no Citroen C6
What.
>>15105522
I don't hate them, pug 205 GTI still is one of my all time fav, but starting from the late 90's to 2010 was definitely a crappy decade for French cars.
They tried to match German cars by over stuffing cars with electronics but couldn't match the reliability. It's especially bad with Renault. Renault 21 is where it started to go all wrong. Then the second gen Laguna and Mégane were catastrophic.
Design also became bland. Twingo 2 and Clio 3 were just boring as fuck, not helped by the same crappy plastic rattling interiors.
Peugeot with its *07 series were just as boring and Citroen with it's hideous C3 was the finishing blow. Only car mildly interesting was the C4 coupé VTS but too expensive. (Not citing the Clio V6 because it was made in England).
French went from making exciting lightweight 800kg hothatch with punchy small engine, godly chassis and suspensions, and fun short gearboxes to pigfag boring turd overstuffed with dodgy electronics.
Things have improved and the Mégane RS is one of the best FWD out there but it's hard to trust French manufacturers after a decade of crap.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
>>15105646
what are your thoughts on the 306?
I feel the same way about modern peugeot, but I like my 306
![Renault%20Avantime%20(1)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/38cLZDk.jpg "Renault%20Avantime%20(1)[1].jpg")
Only if they're shit, which is pretty common with French cars.
>>15105646
I would disagree, the 90's went well enough for renault. PSA started decaying then, with peugeot going from french mercedes tier to electrical failure festival, but still producing very good cars, and citroen losing out it's technology and identity but still making cars like the XM and the xantia activa, but renault was in top form with the safrane, 19, first gen laguna etc.
They did blundered hard after the turn of the millennium, renault messing up the all important diesel engine (the laguna II itself sold really well, the 1.9 and later 1.5 dci engine did not leave good impressions though) and PSA in just about everything, but the real thing that german car makers have over the french was being willing to put more power into the cars because in reliability, if anything german cars are worse.
Ever since the turbo era ended, they have been losing on the straight line performance front to the point where PSA's top engine nowadays is an 1.6 turbo 4. Maybe it's because they weren't present in the USA, which is the one that buys the bigger engines, but that impacts the prestige.
>>15105727
This one has been discontinued, by the way. They even recognized that it was too ugly.
You guys tend to forget that Bugatti is french, right?
>>15105749
You tend to forget the lad came from Italy, right?
>>15105684
It's a great car. Love by many thanks to the Maxi rally version. Not really a true hothatch though, the 206 being closer to that. Good chassis and suspensions but a bit heavy (+1100kg).
1.9 TD diesel engine is pretty good but the 2.0L 16V from the GTI-6 is godly.
Car is also cheap to maintain and fairly reliable. I personally prefer the design of the phase 2 and 3.
>>15105749
its an multinational effort actually
>designed by czech guy
>american transmission
>vag engine
>special tires designed for it by michelin
>assembly in france
Who knows what fuck else I'm too lazy to check, fairly sure the transmission isn't german though. Also
>All this effort
>still lose to a lotus with a pushrod v8 put in it by a fat american illiterate hack
Toppity top kek, would probably be better off without a german engine but guess we will never known
>>15105749
>>15105836
Also I meant this for Veyron, didn't notice you posted Chiron sorry, dont know fuck all about that one
>>15100029
I like them but would never own one because they break a lot.
>>15105749
Founded by an Italian at the time German Alsace then obtained by France then bought by German; and the veyron was designed by a Czech now Slovak, engineered by Germans in Germany and assembled by French in France in a Castle lost some place in the middle of nowhere.
>>15105830
>>15105684
>>15105646
Guys, I've been looking to get one of the peugeot hatches for rally-ish fun. Which one do I get? The 306? The 106? The 205? Maybe the 105?
>>15105876
205 or 106. If possible 106 rallye. Alternatively, Saxo VTS.
205 is dirt cheap.
800kg you can further trim down.
306 chassis is too heavy and 105 doesn't exist.
>>15105836
The Veyron was mostly designed in Crewe actually. It was never supposed to even be a Bugatti, it was a Bentley originally.
>>15106034
>Saxo VTS.
hope you like caved-in roofs lad
>>15106048
Why?
>>15106034
Alright, if I go with the 205, which engine version should I be looking out for, considering I can't get the t16?
>>15106051
A 205 1.6 GTI is the best. 1.9 GTI is ok too. Or a 106 rallye. Or a GTI-6 is good too, especially for longer trips (dat 6 speed). Fuck the 206, soulless car.
I'd also look out for an alfasud or a golf gti mk1/2.
Check these cars hard for rust. Insanely fun though.
>>15105646
>>15105735
Frenchfag here (own an Opel), both of you are right, French cars have been getting worse since more that 20years (except for a handful of cars, and C4 VTS is good indeed)
But France or even Europe isn't their main market anymore, they're turning toward China, and don't give a shit anymore about us yuropoor.
>>15106149
Not surprising, since we filthy yurotrash peasants aren't allowed fun things.
>>15100553
I legitimately want to import one, but it will be really hard. And how would I maintain it?
I don't understand why modern French cars exist. They had a little bit of purpose during the hothatch peak but now it's just big floppy cars with loads of cup holders.
>>15100033
>not oui
>>15100269
>There is grip here somewhere
>>15102345
>right now
2005 is 11 years ago
>>15100029
I wouldn't say I hate them, but I don't really care for them. As an american there's really no point in buying one when our cars are just as reliable plus cheaper since their domestic.
![2015-renault-twingo-uk-pricing-specifications-announced-video-photo-gallery_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qsw86Bz.jpg "2015-renault-twingo-uk-pricing-specifications-announced-video-photo-gallery_1[1].jpg")
>>15106913
Twingo is now
>>15106386
More like
>holy shit, I'm out cornering lotus sevens and elises wee
I laugh at them from a save distance where their shitty built quality can't hurt me.
The most enjoyable car I've ever driven was French
I'd like to have a 2CV someday for shits and giggles.
>>15107439
Absolute confort means more fun when driving fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziyzsN8-6C4
Love French blue on French cars
>>15105836
>>american transmission
Ricardo is British mate
French cars can make boring germans smile.
>>15100029
No.
People here would hate on a DS because it's french,and everything french must break.
>>15107672
i see someone knows the subject
>>15108342
"SM" stands for "Sexy Motherfucker". God DAMN.
New petrolicious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-EUZ2cLN90
>>15107967
the DS is seriously shit mechanically.
no but I hate the French
>>15108373
troll, stfu
>>15108401
>>15100171
>sports car
>lifted
>off-road truck wheels
kek
suffering
>>15108412
It actually was built for offroading though.
>>15108492
Based selective yellow before yurocuckhold had to ruin it. Still mad.
>>15108517
>>15108592
>>15108599
>>15100029
Nope. Owned several Citroëns even. What I hate though, is the fact that they can put out gorgeous prototypes and then most of their line up is utter design shit.
But in general, they have some, enforcing some, good cars.
>>15108644
>>15108653
>>15108665
>>15106951
FR layout
>>15108685
Nope, engine's in the back. It's RR.
>>15105836
What people forget about the Veyron are the commodities that the car had and which no hacked together car made by a fat american on is garage can even dream of reaching such luxury level.
>>15107647
Actually thats prussian blue.
>>15108699
No it is not.
>>15108775
![bugatti-eb110-gt-c515829032013024102_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vt0e9iK.jpg "bugatti-eb110-gt-c515829032013024102_1[1].jpg")
>>15105876
306, it's stronger all round. 205 will cost too much to keep in order and it's a classic car now so will be better to just keep as a road car - too valuable to thrash.
>15105850
You forgot the Artioli years
>>15108862
>>15108905
for u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQBDqUkb6o
>>15106386
That's got a BMW bike engine FYI.
>>15108928
>>15108965
>>15109003
>>15109008
>>15109022
>>15109038
>>15108547
>>15108551
MR for le menage a troix.
>>15108611
I know
>>15107967
And you would be wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHVoZsXFFus
>>15100029
No.
>>15100029
the french make cars?
>>15108775
>>15110206
Thats a prototype. The production model has the engine at the front.
>>15102345
that looks like a foxbody
>>15110236
shut the fuck up
>>15100029
No. They're pretty cool, but >>15105646 nailed it.
Recently I have taken a big interest in the Peugeot 306. I think it looks damn good and those XU engines are based. I wish I could have a GTI-6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00Hn7nYoms
Take a look at how this motherfucker takes corners, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmMTGBbTDw
>>15100147
What about F7P?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoLGA-2q6aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMzL20xJJ2g
>>15110236
Shut the hell up, you idiot. The Twingo is literally a Smart with a new body.
>>15110206
>Rear engine
>Rear wheel drive
>De Dion Tube rear suspension
>Rear drum brakes
French engineers gonna French engineer
>>15100029
i drive a french shitbox and love it to the bone
>>15112265
What's that supposed to imply? Besides it being actually a swiss design, there's nothing wrong with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYM4rOU1IYM
Unfortunately, pulling out the esp fuse isn't enough to completely cancel the electronic safety systems
Besides, the french had cars with all independent suspension before the car was supposedly invented.
>>15109003
We have a customer who still brings his DD xantia in for servicing. We've had to replace a couple of spheres and a front suspension top, but its not bad considering its age, its so solid compared to modern citroens.
>>15108937
It looks so simple to do it's tempting to make one.
>>15100645
Really good looking car ^
especially that front end phwoar
>>15100333
Holyshit! Awesome!
When are we seeing this baby race in GT3?
>>15112673
>>15108937
>>15100269
Not lightweight enough.
My dad used to own a third gen Renault Espace with the V6. It was pretty quick for a family car. Ugly as sin though and bland, but I guess that made it quite the sleeper
![85_1110683084[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AfnKh9q.jpg "85_1110683084[1].jpg")
Discovered this last night
Gotta admit, I do like it
Panhard VBL
No, never just cared for them. They used to be crap quality but nowadays with the inbredness of the auto industry, like Renault-Nissan the quality must be about the same as for other manufacturers.
>>15108459
This car is so cyberpunk, love it.
>>15100029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZfB2sNEsU0
>>15109106
>MR for le menage a troix.
kek
>>15108310
Best car ever. I still drive a 205 [spoiler]gld[/spoiler]
>>15113833
>>15113864
>>15113919
>>15113845
>>15113853
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-KThSfj-M
>>15113950
>>15113939
Man, the CX is such a sexy car. I'd buy one for sure someday.
>>15114008
GTI Turbo 2 ?
>>15114018
Not necessarily, but why not?
>>15113962
The 2CV safari seems more of a citroen solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W4uizG7to0
>>15114036
>>15114144
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