If europoe has pic related, then what does America have? What is the perfect American shitbox?
Geo metro
We don't have one because modern American cars are shit and asre built with random fasteners
>go to wrench on my BMW
only have to open metric drawers in toolbox
>go to wrench on my z71
who the fuck knows what I need
>>14999430
/thread
>>14999425
/o/ discussed this at length well over a year ago. The American Twingo is the Dodge Neon.
>>14999430
Or a Neon.
>>14999436
Confirmed not wrenching, my metric shit works fine on my American trucks, only thing is the stupid torq bolts
>>14999439
>The American Twingo is the Dodge Neon.
but that fuel economy tho
>>14999463
I got 40 mpg regularly with the coupe stick shift.
Pretty impressive for 150 hp in 1999 if you as me.
>>14999463
>but the country of manufacture tho
It is all relative.
>>14999439
It's fuel efficient, reliable, fast, handles great, and it's fucking adorable. Just avoid automatic cars or buy an auto car and swap it.
Hell, they dominated SCCA Showroom Stock Racing. Honda, Nissan, and Toyota tried to get it banned from competition it was so dominant.
>>14999425
>>14999475
wat?
>>14999611
no
>>14999639
dude i had a neon and it was the biggest piece of shit ever fucking made
confetti interior was comfy though
>>14999696
You had an automatic. Your opinion holds no value here.
>>14999696
>>14999754
now, I'm interested
are Neon's shit or not?
>>14999771
Completely fucking garbage.
Source: I'm an auto body mechanic.
>>14999820
>Auto Body
>Mechanic.
Pick one and only one.
Automatic Neons (any automatic from Chrysler during that era) were garbage. Manual Neons were great.
>>14999436
>he didnt buy a shop manual
>>14999771
if you got it with the 5 speed manual, they were glorious. No one who had a manual model bitched about them being bad cars. The 3 speed automatic though, which was the best selling version, was complete trash and ruined the car. The transmission makes a night and day difference.
>>14999820
>fixing dents gives you an opinion on a car's reliablity
>>14999475
I'd rather have an american car than a french car
>>14999771
the automatic transmission is unreliable trash. Apart from that its a good car for the price.
>>14999771
Only the autos were crap really. Sure, Gen 1s had excessive wind noise after years of seal neglect because of the frameless windows, but the head gasket issue was solved by late 1997 and they really did dominate stock racing for a few years. The second generation sedans were more comfortable and heavier, but still decently peppy compared to a non ecotec cavalier. Really though, a 1st Gen R/T or ACR with the 2.4 twincam is what you want if not an SRT4.
>>14999425
Chevrolet cavalier.
there are more cavaliers on this planet than any other car
There are lot of these still on the road.
>>14999483
dat miata livery
>>15000060
don't those things rust out like crazy?
>>14999425
Ford Festiva
I would say neon, but there was no hatchback, so Geo Metro. Hatchback is a necessity.
>>14999860
Twingos aren't factory performance oriented, cherry picking the ones that are is pretty much invalidating OP's parameters.
>>15000691
you actually have to be able to find the car for it to be the perfect shitbox
>>15000679
Not really no, and their body panels don't rust at all so they can look okay for a long time.
Another example of a car that is only good with manual trans. Love them though, burn oil but dat mpg.
>>15000742
The "manual or bust" part is actually pretty accurate though.
>>15000757
I'm aware, but due to the fact you have to pick specific generations or transmission option at all invalidates the parameters of "Americas iconic shitbox" when relative to the Twingo.
All twingos b gud
This is half of my entire point.
Not trying to be a shithead or shitpost here, but I disagree with /o/s discussion due to neglect of these two simple logic breaking errors that invalidate the entire class of "Americas iconic shitbox" with Twingo as it's relative parent.
>>14999425
1 vote gremlin
>>14999436
I've had to deal with all of the following in a single car
bsf
whitworth
iso 261
bolt heads in decimal inches
