ITT: Post good first cars
>under $5k
>270hp
>glorious sounding v8
>bulletproof drivetrain that will last forever
>reliable as hell
>fun to drive
>cool
>easy to work on
>not an import
>>14989505
Mustangs draw a lot of asshole owners.
Unless foxbody
>under $5k
>300hp
>glorious sounding v8
>bulletproof drivetrain that will last forever
>reliable as hell
>fun to drive
>cool
>easy to work on
>not american
>>14989505
F body camaro
>less than 6k
>small block chevy Lt1 or LS1
>325hp
>indestructible
>Easy to work on
>not an import
>faster than OP's suggestion
checkmate OP
:^)
>under $5k
>130 hp
>glorious sounding I4
>bulletproof drivetrain that will last forever
>reliable as hell
>Won't kill you
>won't kill your budget to fuel or insure
>easy to work on
>not American
An old Corolla is the perfect first car
![68258d06237ab030d1d8a212115c02c4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zh5Cbfu.jpg "68258d06237ab030d1d8a212115c02c4[1].jpg")
sort of related post
i want a 351w swapped new edge mustang, so i dont care if the engine is running, however i've read online that the v8 drivetrain is stronger than the v6 one, is this true? should i do the swap in a v8 car instead of a v6 then?
pls respond
>>14989535
on the downside it looks like fucking trash
>>14989575
your opinion is wrong
>>14989523
>Unless foxbody
or 70s models, but most people pretend they dont exist these days.
>>14989587
you are a pathetic tripfag neckbeard, your opinion is irrelevant
>>14989575
Incorrect my friend
>>14989505
So, the sticky?
>>14989505
>>14989627
the 4th gen camaro/firebird is objectively the ugliest car ever made
G35 Sedan/Coupe
280hp, RWD/AWD (AWD great for inexperienced drivers)
Can be had for 5k-7k
Leather seats
Reliable.
BIG aftermarket (not as big as the Mustangs but still good).
great exhaust sound.
>>14989535
those are like 10k in Canada for an LS1.
LT1 is like 5-10k
>>14989606
The 70s mustang is the literal definition of pigfat, and there is the stigma about them breaking down because of that Top Gear special.
>>14989558
yes
Obviously the V8 car has a stronger drivetrain, its designed to handle more torque
You know nothing, dont even do the swap. Go stance a 240sx or something.
>American
>Reliable
>160bhp
>TO THE FRONT WHEELS
>WHERE THE POWER SHOULD BE
>Five whole doors
>Can fit five landwhales
>27 mpgs
>5 speed is fun
>>14989785
Gotta love Top Gear's bitterness about not having access to cheap muscle cars.
>oh no me power steering's gone, the car is ruined!
Get some arm muscles faggot it doesn't make the car undriveable.
>>14989791
>you have to know about cars to do a swap
lol
ill just do what i understand and pay a buddy to finish it for me
>>14989793
>can fit 5 landwhales
bullshit
my friend has one and its cramped with 5 normal sized guys in there
>>14989505
>south east michigan
>trying to find a hardtop manual new edge sn95
>nothing under $9k unless it looks sketchy as fuck
>>14989794
I mean it pretty sucks in europe if you want a cheap classic sporty car here.
Thanks to the Sierras all rusting out, unless you have atleast 5K € your only options are "hothatches" and 2.5l> BMWs
>>14989505
>>not an import
>a good thing
>>14989505
>can be built for around $10k
>120hp
>sounds like bees
>bulletproof drivetrain that will last many hours between rebuilds
>reliable as hell
>easy to drive
>easy to work on
>guaranteed huge starting grids anywhere you go
>inexpensive tires and pads that last a long time
>runs on cheap gas from a regular pump
>>14989808
Well four in the seats, we crammed the Jabba in the boot, and she was passed out drunk so it's not like she could complain.
>>14989505
>5k exactly
>under 200HP
>2,600 pounds
>glorious sounding rattling at all speeds
>bulletproof (untested)
>will reliably get you called a ricer
>fun to drive
>awkward
>easy to rice out
>not a Mitsu
what could possibly go wrong
>>14989505
total shit, why wouldn't you be driving a civic, you can build a $3k eg hatch to have around 280whp for under $2k easy and it would be lighter and better
Mustangs aren't even reliable anyway
>>14989970
>>>/hg/
>>14989558
You should do the swap to a v8 because swapping a v6 to a v8 also requires a new wiring harness bumper to bumper and other supporting mods. But based on the question I do not think you have the ability to do an engine swap.
>>14989970
>total shit
Subjective. From my point of view imports are total shit.
>you can build a $3k eg hatch to have around 280whp for under $2k
"Yes" if you're a mechanic and you're okay with turning your engine and transmission into a time bomb
>easy
No
>mustangs aren't even reliable
Objectively false
>>14989536
>130hp
Who are you kidding here? The 7A-FE never made more than 115hp and that was in the first two years of the AE102
>>14989793
Saw you were depressed in the other thread. Hang in there bud.
>I like cats also
>>14989970
>this delusion from honda fags
hondas should stay stock forever stop thinking your grocery getter has any value outside of gas mileage and reliability
>>14991289
Or, you know, we can do with our cars whatever we want and relish drinking domesticuck tears
>>14991297
its your money piss it away if you want I will sit here and laugh at you though
>>14991317
That's fine, I'll be laughing when I pass your heavy underpowered piece of shit
>>14990069
>>14991015
>>14991289
>being this new
>>14989766
Except only niggers and wanna be rich kids drive these 15 year old bug eyed Jap boxes..
>>14989766
Usually faggots who are always late drive these
>>14989535
>ten bolt rear
>>14991492
>indestructible
>>14989536
Actually that is american. Its a colaberation between gm and toyota that made that car. The sister car being the geo/chevy metro
>>14991182
That's not a 7afe model moron
>>14991599
My god you're dumb
>>14991613
You're right, but the 1ZZ is shit compared to the 7A
>>14989530
what model is this
![2008-mazda6-gt-v6-i002[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yA4pXrr.jpg "2008-mazda6-gt-v6-i002[1].jpg")
>5k or less
>220HP
>Reliable
>Not shit tier likes its younger brother, the 3
>Independent suspension
>Built in Michigan
>>14989505
>Bulletproof
I wish people would stop using this.
>>14989530
>>not american
dropped
DACIA SANDERO
Mazdaspeed 6. Zoom zoom bitches!
>>14991656
I want to love it but damn is it heavy.
>270 hp
LOL. even the 2v with PI heads were still only 260 hp. keep dreaming bro
>glorious sounding v8
sounds like a fucking F150 pickup or crown vic
>bulletproof hurr durr
yeah with zero potential
>reliable as hell
just like a fleet vehicle. where the engine is from
>fun to drive
(Losing to camaros)
>cool
not
>easy to work on
you will need to, it will be broke
>not an import
not a good thing
1999 PONTIAC TRANS AM HERE
shitting on 2V mustangs since the day they rolled off the lot
>305 hp stock with 600+ hp capable stock LS1 engine
>GLORIOUS V8
>bulletproof drivetrain
>takes someone with actual skill to work on so no redneck backyard mechanic hackjobs
>actually cool
>not a mustang
>not a ford
>made in Canada
>>14993581
it looks like shit though
>>14989793
>americans think the euro focus is american
fucking lmao
>>14991492
>10 bolt rear
at least an LS1 f-body has a torsen differential, unlike a mustang GT
>not being able to spin both tires in your pony car
>Not being able to get traction when drag racing, the only thing your car that cant' turn is supposed to be able to do
>>14993581
>bulletproof drivetrain
>weak tiny clutch
>toothpick axles in the 10bolt
>the 7.5" diff itself in the 10bolt
Delusionalfag plz go, that shit is far from bulletproof, especially at anything over stock power levels.
Also the 2V modular doesn't have much NA potential but can handle boost no problem.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1105-592hp-46l-2v-motor-for-2298/
>under 5k
>210hp
>bulletproof engine
>very reliable
>6 speed manual
>easy to work on
>not American
>>14989606
they are fucking horrible tho...
>>14993616
>implying fords haven't used a Traction Lok LSD in the V8 Mustang since the 80's
More delusions I see.
>>14989803
this.
do the swap, you'll learn along the way..
>>14989700
currently my pig, but with swapped in a Kseries engine (previous owner, 225HP)
not the best car, but definitely worth what i paid for it...
>>14989793
>fwd
>fun
>plzdie
Accord wagon
>cheap
>decent mpg
>can haul all your friends
>enough room to fuck in the back.
>>14991656
lol i have a speed3 doe :^)
>>14993585
>looks like shit
sorry bro i can't hear you over the sound of my V8
>high rise wing
>sexy but subtle curves and smooth flowing lines
>POP UP HEADLIGHTS
>no grill front fascia
>radical windshield/rear window cock-pit design
>unique styling all around. in and out. small details everywhere you look - like the Pontiac emblem embossed under the hood
its a fucking Trans Am. you have to be a special kind of autistic to argue this isn't an instant classic.
>>14993620
Are you sure acuras are easy to work on?
>>14991656
lol i have a speed3 doe :^)
>doesnt look like an old geezer car
>>14993618
>weak tiny clutch
you mean exact same clutch from the corvette C5Z? you're a fucking retard.
>doesn't have much potential N/A lol
an LS1 can make over 400 WHP with just headers and a cam. your car is shit faggot
>>14993535
3250 ain't too bad
>>14993665
Um 2004 type s yeah I mean doesn't have much electronics other than abs traction control, radio and some other basic stuff
>>14993630
so does a fucking ford Explorer
>>14993680
The Mazdaspeed6 is close to 3600.
>>14993688
What the fuck happened to your bumper?
>>14993620
>that brake dust
b-bro
>>14993618
even that link you posted starts out saying how much better LS engines are to start with
>keep trying
>Ford eventually stepped up the performance of the two-valve when it introduced the Power Improved (PI) version in 1999, but a gain of 35 hp in 12 years could hardly be considered revolutionary, especially when GM was offering 5.7L combinations with nearly 100 more horsepower.
i wonder which GM 5.7l they might be referring to, hmmm
>>14989530
>wanting to look like a elderly Vietnamese lady on her way to bingo
>>14991282
This. Do well, based Ford anon.
>>14993698
>>14993699
I'm currently fixing this car. I bought it from an auction for a cheap price at low miles and I guess the guy that crashed it went underneath a pickup or something
>>14993674
>you mean exact same clutch from the corvette C5Z? you're a fucking retard.
Only in '02, you fucking retard. '98-'01s have a much weaker clutch.
>>14993692
This has what to do with the Mustang GT having a Traction Lok longer than he's been alive?
>>14993714
Ford also made 4.6L and 5.4L engines that made over 100hp more than the 2V in the GT. The GT was a mid-market model, and unlike GM sticking the same engine in the Z28 and SS the Cobra got the better 4V heads.
>>14993646
i love this car to death and i have the shit d17 with the auto but the looks nd interior are my favorite
>>14991648
Lexus gs
>>14989505
tail happy
>>14993660
super rare you would have to spend alot due to that fact unless someone didnt know what they have
>>14993616
>implying you can't hook with an open as long as you have decent tires
>>14993348
ah yes. Now moving on, I think a honda civic is the best first car.
>>14993616
>at least
Already lost the argument and started with the concessions?
Do preventative maintenance yourself and you can have a fun as fuck flat 6 powered mid engine Porsche that you can drove everyday
Just make sure to spend a little extra so you can get a well maintained car and not a shit heap ready to grenade it's engine
>>14989535
>indestructible
right after you swap that 10 bolt for a 9 inch.
>>14989766
>great exhaust sound.
from a v6 that was pulled from an SUV? what fucking shit are you spouting
>>14993581
>takes someone with actual skill to work on so no redneck backyard mechanic hackjobs
Are you fucking retarded? I only see rednecks driving those. Also ancient engine design from the 50's.
>bulletproof drivetrain
See >>14995023
My first car was a 69 Firebird with a conservatively built 400. Fast as fuck if you didn't want to turn and pretty reliable, easy to work on.
Almost killed myself in it many times because 16 and retarded. Anything other than Civic 5spd is a bad first car. Read the fucking sticky, answer is always Civic.
>>14995039
>exhaust sound
>But it was pulled from an SUV!
What fucking relevance does that have on sound?
On that note, Had a VG30 Pathfinder. Sounded p good for a V6.
>>14989606
The worse muatang but still some people like it. I would drive it but only if it was free.
>>14995256
Says the 12 year old, you'd drive anything if you had your fucking license.
>>14993896
This.
If you're not prepared it can really catch you by surprise.
Can get pretty scary when the road is even a little bit wet.
finding an affordable used american made american manufactured car is like finding a unicorn, they don't fucking exist
>>14995416
That's what you think
>>14995039
Nissan makes one of the best sounding V6's hands down those VQ35's can scream
>>14995448
>VQ
>sounding good
>>14989505
This was my first car. It's a lot of fun. Has so much torque that I just skip 3rd and go straight to 4th.
>e46
>$3500
>175 hp
>best handling money can buy
>timeless look, objectively better looking than new bimmers
>transmission at 180k, not even a whisper of slipping yet
My actual first car
>>14995440
then post an american designed, american made, and american manufactured car that is also affordable (5k or less) and reliable
that is, doesn't have a combination of a history of questionable build quality, breakneck straight line acceleration with no consideration to breaking and turning / general maneuverability and driving comfort, and has a decent city fuel economy and doesn't have an interior that's more in place in a play-skool play-set
>>14995546
>Universally renown for sounding good
yep
>>14995575
It have a few examples in mind but you'll just dismiss them anyways, that's how these things always go
>>14995586
Really? Because all I've heard is that they're the worst sounding modern 6 cylinder engines
>>14995594
Literally every car reviewer loves the VQ sound
Your opinion doesn't matter
>>14995570
>e46
>heavy as shit
>out handled by a prelude
>>14995590
do you really have anything better to do if you've already taken the time to dismiss your ideas and post about it?
>>14995606
Who gives a shit what they say? Especially about something so objective
>>14993581
Bullshit
Pontiacs aren't reliable.
>>14995618
You're on 4chan, what do you think the answer is?
>>14995644
you can't actually come up with anything?
>>14995681
If that helps you sleep better at night, sure
>>14989536
I thought those burn oil when they are high mileage
>>14995698
Any car with its original piston rings at 300k miles will burn oil
Any old pickup made before 1980.They're dirt cheap here in North Cali,lots of metal (means safe) and great for pissing off ecocucks in their ugly Priuses.
>>14989505
LaSalle Apartments, OP?
>>14995221
I know the pain.Ended up with my father's C10,the 327 had less than 50K on it so all it needed was new tires,new brakes,new gas tank and then slowly replaced all the original door seals.It's quick,and turns better than expected due to the LSD (it's 2WD,and lowered).Reliable,took a few long trips without dying but uses a lot of gas.
