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>On Sunday the 1st of may, an internal memo between Mieschke Hofmann und Partner, Porsche AG and Nissan Japan was leaked to various "dark web" sources. The leak in question details the engineer discussion of the next generation "Flamme Aufwachen", which appears to be code name for a new, ultra light 918 hypercar.
>Porsche AG's internal memo discusses the potential use of proprietary Nissan Turbocharger technology featured on the 2017 GTR, as well as the use of water induction technology similar to that recently announced by BMW.
>But most exciting is the mention of a power to weight ratio beyond 1:1, through the use of a material called Graphene. Previous use of such a material was deemed too costly for the commercial market, seeing use only on aerospace electronics and specialized medical equipment.
So this leak just went up on jalopnik like 40 minutes ago and has now been deleted, is porsche full damage control?
Why would they even get this taken down (it's not like you can, im assuming other cunts have screenshots) when it makes them look good?
I'm assuming this is bullshit but holy fuck, if it's true...this is porsche after all.
>>14971214
>TFW the 918 is already stupid fast
>YFW they're not done yet
Who cares, the Porschistas and speculators have bought them all already.
>>14971235
It's still fucking awesome.
The 918 is already dominating, but they're not done yet?
>>14971235
Because unlike cars like the OyVeyron and Lamborghinis and shit like that, these million dollar Porsches are actually pushing technology in cars that make them faster and better
This is the kind of stuff that's going to trickle down to more affordable cars over the years
>power to weight ratio beyond 1:1
holy FUCK
2015 918 curb weight is around 1678 kg with 887 hp, they'll shave off all excess weight but still, it's going to have a massive fucking upgrade in power
>>14971243
>918
>dominating
weird way to say P1
>>14971276
this. porsche is one of the most exciting companies to watch.
>>14971277
before the leak was pulled, the article was showing some shit about them having the same v8, turbo charged now (using the nissan and bmw tech) and also having more powerful electric batteries they've developed since.
Plus, graphene is INSANELY light if they actually managed to produce it properly. That's the biggest breakthrough. A literal gamechanger.
It's going to be stupid expensive though.
>>14971214
>dark web
>taken down
>no screen grab
I give than a Farage out of believable.
![Anonymous_Van2[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/hVLNrTK.png "Anonymous_Van2[1].png")
>"dark web"
>>14971309
It seemed quite legit though, considering jalopnik almost never does fake bullshit (as cancer as they are), the schematics they had photos of and how it suspiciously got taken down (normally they would leave it up for the clickbait).
I'm asking if any cunts have more info, before it got pulled. I know someone here saved shit.
>>14971317
It is a real thing, you know. Just because normies think it's some magical place does not mean shit does not get leaked there.
>>14971332
Its where you buy drugs and CP. Why would anyone leak it there? A 4chan post isn't big enough to list the reasons why that makes no sense.
>>14971356
It most likely got leaked there and other surface web places.
Jalopnik is just being retarded, while porsche is covering it up because it might have some shit they want to keep under wraps.
It's plausible. This actually happened with the mezger engine, so porsche has a history of trying to cover up leaks.
>flame awakening
I'm not denying the plausibility but I wonder why Porsche, a company known for being one of the earliest turbo adopters... A company with extensive (40+ years) experience turbocharging engines... Use Nissan tech?
>>14971368
>YFW PORSCHE IS BRINGING NAZIS BACK
>YFW THEY FLIP A SWITCH AND TANKS START ROLLING OUT
>YFW THEY SAVE EUROPE FROM LEFTISTS
>YFW THEY BURN MERKEL ALIVE
>YFW THE JEWS ARE BACK IN CAMPS
>YFW EVERYONE PRAISES BASED PORSCHE FOR MAKING GOOD CARS AND SAVING THE WHITE RACE
>HITLER COMES BACK
Can someone better than me write a greentext about this happening?
Pic highly related
>>14971395
>yfw nazis are leftist
>>14971389
Perhaps it's a joint partnership where nissan shares some ideas and porsche shares some ideas.
Heaps of companies have done that before. The article was not clear on details so i dunno, but this sounds fucking awesome.
>>14971389
sounds like a toyota/subaru kind of deal, but with tech instead.
Perhaps there's something they want that's copyrighted on the new GTR and they're trading their own designs?
If that's the case it's awesome, because porsche design will trickle into new GTR's.
>>14971400
Nazis really weren't leftist.
>>14971395
>Nazis
>National Socialists
>Socialists
>not the left
>somehow far right
>>14971417
they were kinda a mix inbetween, they employed right wing tactics and nationalism, but they took the good bits of the left.
Anyway, it would be awesome to see germany rise again and save the day.
>>14971401
>>14971409
Fair points. It does sound really intriguing and I'm aware of other collaborations between manufacturers, I just figured Porsche to stick to the Volks AG family.
How awesome would a 911 turbo be with gtr awd?
>>14971214
>Flamme Aufwachen
Clearly a Tesla codename.
>>14971426
Porsche's own AWD system is already very capable, I don't think it'd improve that much.
>>14971426
And how awesome would a GTR be with porsche engine design.
Imagine a compact v8 twin turbo going in the next gen gtr?
Holy shit, what if they're collaborating on making a twin turbo v8 capable of stupid power levels to go in both cars?
Nissan did state previously they want to go all out hypercar for the "36" so it's not that unrealistic either.
Perhaps they would do such a thing and we would see a v8, turbo GTR putting out like 1200hp (and most likely slightly detuned for the regular copies)
>>14971417
>The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.
>>14971436
Porsche was actually working on the 918 battery tech before tesla.
Tesla is just the apple of the car world, so normies think they invented everything.
>>14971447
You could be right.
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercar/2018-nissan-gt-r-heres-what-we-know
>>14971454
keep in mind, the v6 thing is now old. that racing program had a setback so its possible they will not go with a v6 this time.
here's hoping they do suprise us.
>>14971277
>kg:HP
>not lb:hp
>>14971233
Have you heard of Koenigsegg?
>>14971447
>yfw flat 8 aircooled gtr
>>14971480
>flat 8
MAKE IT HAPPEN
>>14971454
I think a whoosh is in order.
>>14971480
Shit it would be fucking amazing.
And remember, a few months ago their engine plan crashed and they said they were going "back to the drawing board".
What if this really is it, they're doing a flat 8, twin turbo GTR?
And that's why they're included in this porsche memo...
>>14971447
pretty unlikely they'd switch to a V8
they'll probably use some evolution of the VR30 or the VRX
>>14971277
Hurr Durr.
>1244 bhp
>1244 kg
>this is the 2014 model, and they're developing a new car that's lighter, faster, and will break 300mph
>>14971214
Let me tell you that "Flamme Aufwachen" sounds 100% like something some fat retard has translated with google.
t. an actual german
>>14971447
How about a Porsche transmission so you can actually launch it more the 3 times in a row and not go into limp mode or void warranties?
>>14971526
Try breaking 1:1 when you also have the heavy batteries.
If they can integrate a low weight as well as the instant early torque of their batteries, it's going to be fucking stupid.
Not that i dislike the venom, but it's not a production car. It's a tuner car.
>>14971526
Will it be another Lotus?
>>14971526
"Developing"
>>14971526
All that power, still unable to do a WR run faster than an FR-S
>>14971533
Not a problem on the new GTR's, they fucked up on the first ones though.
But they did rectify their mistake.
>>14971526
American comparing a fully tuned car to something coming out of the factory.
![1438665228395[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7wWFoGD.jpg "1438665228395[1].jpg")
>>14971534
>an LS swapped Lotus built by a thief and a hack is faster than the very best Germany has to offer
>>14971543
It still can't launch 60+ times in a row with the car not complaining like the 991 Turbo can
>>14971534
There's cars with even lower weight to power ratios
575 HP, 1200LB
>>14971543
>>14971534
And how many of these production cars are going to be rolling out of the factory?
I'll be shocked if it's more than double digits
>>14971544
Remind me again what speed it averaged over the two runs.
>>14971544
>Venom got 2.7 seconds to 100 verified by journalists
>Porsche got 2.2 seconds to 100 verified by journalists
A factory, non tuned car with less power and heavier...is still faster.
How funny.
>>14971537
It looks kinda lotus like
I'm curious how the koeniggersegg one compares to the 918
The thing that excites me is that graphene might be referring to graphene capacitors instead of batteries for power storage
>>14971575
>It looks kinda lotus like
but that's a corvette with a bodykit
>>14971587
...You may be on to something there. This could mean a massive breakthrough in terms of energy density.
>>14971214
I will tell you again: this is most likely absolutely fake bullshit.
"Flamme Aufwachen" is a name that someone with little to no grasp of the german language came up with and mostly likely just google translated it.
>>14971463
>3000lb
>3000hp
There is no amount of downforce to keep a car like that from flying or instantly shattering the rims/tires/suspension
>>14971526
Hasn't this already been whipped by a few Brits in a shed?
>>14971671
I'm sure it has
Shit just keeps getting faster and faster these days
I wish cars were getting cheaper instead
>>14971629
Just was about to post exactly this.
I'm not saying an 918 based update/lightweigt/semi-racecar or whatever is unlikely, but this is just a load of bull.
>>14971623
>graphenea.com
Also, with increased development in terms of energy storage limits for supercapacitors in general, graphene-based or hybrid supercapacitors will eventually be utilized in a number of different applications.
Vehicles that utilize supercapacitors are already prevalent in our society. One Chinese company is currently manufacturing buses that incorporate supercapacitor energy recovery systems, such as those used on Formula 1 cars, to store energy when braking and then converting that energy to power the vehicle until the next stop.
In the past, scientists have been able to create supercapacitors that are able to store 150 Farads per gram, but some have suggested that the theoretical upper limit for graphene-based supercapacitors is 550 F/g.
>>14971284
You write LaFerrari in a funny way, chap.
>>14971671
>>14971284
>>14971750
While the P1 is really cool, and the LaF is winning the money wars, the 918, my last favorite, is by far and away the most consistent winner.
>>14971764
That's the old "slow" 760hp one.
>>14971705
Sadly the base model 480hp version now costs £66,000 or about what you would pay for a ZL1 Camaro
>>14972224
I'm possibly the only one on /o/ who wouldn't want an LS in my Ultima.
>>14971532
This
>>14971538
Underrated post
>>14971214
>"Flamme Aufwachen"
Sounds like google translate.
No one speaks like this.
>>14971289
I'm fairly certain we've only made Graphene sheets in sizes less than 10x10cm in labs. It's feasible, but even as a prototype, it would be prohibitively expensive. Doubt Graphene will be the material for any significant structure.
But, making EVERYTHING out of carbon fiber might do. Engine will be the vast majority of the weight if everything is CF.
>>14971740
>550 F/g
That is a fucking sick amount of power.
>>14971671
>shed meme
>>14971479
This will be awd tho
>>14971569
AWD dipfuck
>>14971671
>powered by chevy
>>14971214
good for who can afford it igr
>>14971395
>>14971368
not going to happen
there is far to much subterfuge and treachery
it will be too little to late
Europe is snuffed
>>14971417
better to call it national corporatism
>>14971526
can turn ?
not that any car itt has that as its main objective
>datsun and porch
>getting on
>>14975642
>an american once touched so it might have lost it's ability to turn
>>14971395
you have to be 18 to lurk here
>>14971417
get good faggot
>>14971671
but the lotus exige is also built by some brits in a shed
>>14971332
Jalopnik has no obligation to protect Porsches privacy, they're suppose to journalists for petesake.
Their editor probably made them take it down because it's unsubstantiated or the source was a 13 year old kid with a blog in Pennsylvania.
>we've already passed peak supercar hype
>Porsche has to come up with some darkweb conspiracy bullshit to get anyone to care
>>14976268
Jalopnik is park of Gawker Media; they have absolutely zero journalistic integrity.
>>14971587
Doesn't the 919 use regular batteries though?
If they were working on capacitors, I'd kind of expect them to team up with Toyota, not Nissan, since the TS040 uses capacitors, and the Nissan (and Audi) use flywheels to round out LMP1.
Not saying it's not possible they'd switch to capacitors, but the thing about capacitors is they let all their energy out in one sort of blast, while batteries provide a much less time-constrained method of release. Much more practical in a road car, and with LMP1 regulations getting stricter now and limiting the cars' speed (they were approaching 2014 F1 lap times on power circuits last year), it'll be a little hard to justify a new race car technology when you just won Le Mans under the rule set that most allowed cool shit.
>>14971454
>“All journalists say GT-R is heavy, heavy, heavy - it should be lighter, lighter, lighter! I say, journalists need to develop a more professional level of thinking! More study! More thought! The GT-R needs to be this weight. A car with less weight does not handle. Lighter weight can be dangerous, and it will not be driveable by all customers.”
What's wrong with this faggot? Physics says you're wrong. This guy got too much radiation from the bomb.
>>14978099
car is made to work well on snow
plus all that mass means you can focus on less draggy aerodynamics
>>14976268
>they're suppose to journalists for petesake.
>jalapshit
>part of gawkcocker
> integrity
Wew lad
>>14978116
You're retarded.
GTR's aren't designed for snow. Just because it has AWD and maybe some clown did it once means nothing.
And as for not focusing on aero because of weight? lolno, you're only making things worse. Weight doesn't fight air resistance.
> technology to choke faggots over the internet through their screens when?
>>14978149
I bid you stay uninformed and full of impotent rage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcanpNarEg
>>14971243>>14971284
>>14971750
You all write viper acr in a odd way
>>14978149
>2016 still not getting the reasons behind aerodynamics in automotive
keep it up inbred muricans
>>14971532
I bet that was the same guy that translated all that rwb stuff
>Rauh Welt Begriff
>Rough World Term
>Sekund Entwicklung
Sorry guys but that news is fake af, Porsche is not owned by some illiterate fucktards
>>14978191
That's a very bizarre spelling to right Radical SR8
>>14971214
I seriously want to see a screenshot of that because I got really excited and if this turns out to be a troll post, I'm going to kill myself
>>14978241
that's a really fucked up way of spelling Twingo
>>14978393
Fuck off back to /v/ with your meme shit.
>>14978205
Aero is for grip without the penalty of lugging around physical weight. Active aero begets even more of an advantage.
