Do people still think that auto transmissions are better than manuals? I just got my first stick car a couple months ago, and i'm never going back. You can't beat it. Nothing feels better than knowing you're in control. I used to almost fall asleep at the wheel driving auto. It's just boring. People just avoid stick cause they'll actually have to drive their car. Or they can't shift for shit.
autotragic is better than manual in basically every objective category BUT manual is far, far more fun and engaging
>muh fun and engaging
Yeah it is, until you hit bumper-to-bumper traffic and then the fun goes down hill real quick.
>>14918556
Depends it's a slush box auto, or an automated manual "auto".
>>14918499
>push start car
>get any gear
>drive off
your car is easier to steal than anyone's..
>>14918568
>then the fun goes down hill real quick
not if you love the way your car sounds
>always use paddle shifters until post-work traffic
>switch to auto
How the fuck do you monkey around with a third pedal and manual gearbox every day for an hour getting home stop, go, stop, go, stop, go, no faster than 50km/hr?
>>14918568
maybe it's because I'm still young but I've literally never thought to myself "man using a clutch in this traffic sucks!"
>>14918556
except for
>longevity
>cost
>repairability
You should know this, since your auto tranny decided to make a nice metal shaving slushie.
DCT is better in any speed related category but still suffers from reduced longevity, and SMG is about equivalent to manual but offers nothing over it other than being able to rest your left foot and is significantly less reliable than a manual. Slushbox torque converter autos are retarded and steal your horsepower.
When done properly, a manual transmission provides a smoother ride than an auto
>>14918499
It's personal preference.
But for me, driving a manual car feels "right".
Putting an auto transmission from P to D feels like some cheap video game. Creep is the worst.
>>14918605
its called stop taking toll roads you facist scum
>>14918605
You let the pedal out when you're off the brake and push it in when you're on it. Pretty simple.
>>14918609
maybe it's because I'm old, but I never thought that using a stick shift was thrilling. Never once have I gotten a boner from it. It doesn't even take any talent.
>>14918658
Get a car with actual power and slam it in first gear all the way to redline.
thrills acquired
>>14918568
>Living in a densely populated area
I think I found your real problem
Driving in bumper to bumper traffic is easier
>If stopped don't have to press anything or touch anything
>Can use engine to brake or cruise slowly
>When traffic clears up can zoom by all the rubbernecks being a head by a mile by the time you reach cruising speed
>>14918671
Meh, been there, done that.
>>14918658
Same here.
Fast is fast. Doesn't matter to me if I'm changing gears or the car is doing it.
>>14918679
Probably just low test
>>14918658
I like the challenge of heel toe
City driving: Automatic or bust. Manual is not fun or easy to use in city driving.
Anywhere else: Manual reigns supreme. It's the only way to actually drive your car instead of just riding in your car while controlling its direction.
>>14918671
No different than doing the same in an auto.
>>14918701
>City driving
Bicycle or bust
>>14918701
>just riding in your car while controlling its direction
I would hate to drive behind you.
"I can't start or stop with an automatic!"
I've been driving manual cars for over 6 years now. Always manuals, being mine or my dad's.
But a few month ago my dad bought a RAV4 auto.
At first I was constantly hitting the ground with my left foot, and my hand would always hit the stick, like I was used to. It was hard at first to get used to, but when you get used to... Man.... It's like driving a bumper car.
You hit the gas and it goes, and you hit the brake and it stops, I could even get my left leg over my lap if I wanted to .
And in rush hours, is much easier since you don't have to be putting first, clutch neutral, clutch first clutch second clutch neutral clutch.... It is much more comfortable.
I can get that there's no "fun" on it but God, even my mom can drive that. The thing doesn't stall or you don't have to worry about over reving the engine. It just goes....
Would. Recommend for moms, people who's tired of driving, and people over the age of 50.
>>14918727
Don't worry self driving cars will replace driving.
>>14918721
Ree
>>14918725
Driving an automatic is like flying on autopilot. It's boring and you don't have to do any interacting with the vehicle. You can't feel the vehicle.
>>14918499
>torque converters
>>14918741
Bullshit. You've never driven a car.
>>14918706
Except no automatic is ever going to let you get that high. It's going to cuck you into 4th gear and have you do most of your acceleration there because muh emmpeejees
>>14918747
Great comeback.
>>14918741
Can confirm. Torque converter causes gas pedal to feel very disconnected, lack of direct connection between engine RPM and wheels is weird, and the "point car in direction and push pedal" style of driving makes me want to fall asleep.
>>14918741
Because pushing a clutch to the floor, putting it in first gear, slowly releasing the clutch while giving the engine gas, then balancing the clutch with the throttle for few seconds, letting off the clutch and taking off is somehow exhilarating
>>14918762
Way more engaging than
>press accelerator
>rrrrrRRRR*slump*rrrrrrrrrRRRRR*slump*rrrrrrr
>>14918762
The instant physical feedback you get from rev-match downshifting and then punching the accelerator is godly compared to just flooring it in a slushbox, waiting for the tranny to clunk down a gear, and then taking off.
The automatic feels lazy and awkward compared to the manual.
going back to auto is terrifying. THE CAR MOVES FORWARD BY ITSELF. what sort of demon sorcery is this. it's like they want you to rear end people at stop lights
>>14918658
>he will never know the joy of shifting at the peak of a song
>>14918581
>implying your fuel system will run without a key in the ignition lock
tripfags
>>14918789
It is lazy. It's boring. It's for boring people who drive boring cars on boring roads who would rather have a cheuffeur drive than drive themself. Because they don't care about cars. They want to instantly be somewhere instead of enjoying the motion between the starting point and the destination.
Have some fun - get a manual transmission
>>14918804
What's so joyous about that? It would suck having to wait to shift for the right musical moment. Just shift. It's easy and nothing exciting.
>>14918834
>it's lazy
There's nothing complicated about driving a manual transmission, infarct anyone can do it.
>it's boring
Most people don't care about rev-matching or downshifting to 2nd gear to take corner.
>it's for boring people who drive boring cars on boring roads who would rather have a chauffeur drive than drive themself
How many people are taking hairpin turns to work?
>Because they don't care about cars.
I drove manual for years, until I got an automatic and I do all the maintenance on my vehicle, I also keep up with the automotive world.
>They want to instantly be somewhere instead of enjoying the motion between the starting point and the destination
>muh feels,
>>14918568
Don't act like you have any fucking control of the car just because they give you those gimmicky flappy paddles.
Don't act like you have any fucking connection with your vehicle ,when the computer tells you how to shift ,how to throttle, how to interact and communicate with supposedly your vehicle.
A Car has a personality that cant be understood by simply pressing buttons like in these modern autobots, IT takes years of hitting that sweet spot in the clutch, when it graps so smoothly.Shifting into that gear at the perfect time and the car rewarding you for it by giving you its best feedback. It's something that you grow to learn with to give eachother information on how you want the to get the most out of eachother, in many ways it is a relationship. One that seems to be under attack everyday by these bean counters trying to fill their pockets.
Fuck, and they say self driving cars will never be viable. They are already fucking here
>>14918927
>IT takes years of hitting that sweet spot in the clutch
Sorry, but if took you years to learn how to use a clutch you're just fucking retarded and shouldn't be driving anything.
>>14918927
RHD is way more comfy than LHD
>>14918949
Nice reading comprehension.
Better? Hmm.....depends. Neither will do much to keep me awake when driving on a highway but the auto is better in the city because it is easier to control. Then again a manual is just fun when you start pushing it and driving like it's a race car or something.
So I'd say an automatic is better from a practical stand point while a manual is the funner of the two.
>>14918641
>only toll roads have traffic
>rush hour doesn't exist
ok
>>14918960
>handling the shifter with your non-dominant hand
Nah
Maybe if you're left handed
>>14918963
>Mad because it took him years to use a clutch
some guys are just late bloomers
>>14918978
>steering with your non-dominant hand
Kek
>>14918978
>americans are so bad at driving manual they need their good hand to shift gears
>>14918923
You're so boooooring
>>14918997
>americans
more like 65% of all people
>>14918997
>his country drives on the wrong side of the road
>>14918986
>he leaves his hand on the shifter
>>14918679
you have low testosterone lol, symptoms include:
- lost enjoyment in activities
- low sex drive
- shitposting on /o/
>>14918628
my Subaru is an automatic built in 2000 has 200k miles only thing replaced before it should have been is the alternator
>>14918997
I'm American and I drive a Dodge Spirit R/T. I love getting great gas mileage and being fast.
>>14918986
>having a "dominant" hand
way to let your own body kuck you fgt
>>14919029
Aww damn someone with an R/T Spirit.
NA automagic Spirit here.
>>14919050
>2 black ices
I CAN FEEL THE FRESH OVERTAKING ME'
IT IS A GOOD PAIN
>>14918762
>balancing the clutch with the throttle for few seconds
you mean 0.2 seconds
>>14919014
>implying
>>14918752
Except they do...
I live in shout west WA biggest town has 10k people and I live 20 min in the country population maybe 50. Every day is STI day.
I'm about to get a job just so I can buy a <$800 manual shitbox and use it as a practice car/weekend driver because what little I drove a tiptronic was drastically superior to D5 in an auto.
I always thought the car saying of "I drive a stick for complete control of my car" was a meme but it's not a meme at all.
>>14918499
My first car was stick. I am currently driving it while my second car, which is automatic, is in the shop.
Each one has it's own pros and cons. I hate getting stuck on hills in it and being forced to feather my clutch when stuck in weird situations (trapped in intersections, odd parking lot layouts with potholes, etc.) I love shifting my own gears and the control it gives me. I love rev-matching and heel-toe downshifting. I love having the ability to drive however I like, whenever I like. It's so much more engaging than an automatic. It forces you to pay attention and learn about your vehicle. Bumper to bumper traffic blows but it really isn't that big of an issue. I just hate wasting clutch on silly things like that. But I sure do love rolling burnouts and being a boyracer in first gear around town.
My second is auto. It's great for commuting and what not, even long road trips. It literally takes less effort to operate it compared to a stick car. Not everyone likes shifting their own gears, which is sad, but understandable. It's even preferably depending on the kind of car.Different strokes for different folks. I'm not a fan of most autos, but mine is fairly smooth and gets the job done.I wasn't even looking for an auto when I got this car, it was 200 bucks! How could I pass that up? It's nice and all that jazz.
I have no qualms about either transmission. I'd rather a stick, but an auto daily and a manual fun car make perfect sense. Even a stick daily and an auto fun car make sense! It's all about preference and preferred results.
>drive nothing but manuals in slavistan
>move to usa
>never touched a manual ever since
thank god
>>14918727
You dont have to clutch to put it in neutral. If you know how you can change gears without the clutch altogether
>>14918969
since when are car crashes practical
I think driving stick is fun as fuck, but I'm spoiled by good autos with shift kits, and manual valve bodies
>>14918927
Is this pasta now?
>>14919457
It's not fucking pasta, this is real fucking life. If you don't shift your own gears you are the same as a man who shares his wife. Do you have any idea how angry seeing these idiots with automatic shifters makes me? My best friend bought a Grand National because "it's a nice car, doesn't matter that it's automatic", I NEVER forgave him. You mean nothing to me, you are less than garbge for driving automatic and I will brake check you to death.
>>14918568
Lol not when your 1st gear is deeper than your mom
>2030
>self-driving cars become commonplace
>>14919605 gets so angry he starts trying to ram into them
>all the cars are too smart for his shit
>hits a pedestrian
>manual cars are illegal as a result
>>14918927
>a car has a personality
Don't get me wrong, I love driving stick.
But come on man, it's a fucking machine. I can mathematically explain every single thing that goes on with it.
There's no "personality". It's a machine. It acts in the way it was designed.
>>14919714
Yeah if your a euro fag. The US doesnt have the fuckin stones to do that and plus after all those shit bag baby boomers die manuals will come back in popularity.
>>14919747
We invent one. The way it looks and acts. We personalize it with upgrades and mods, we make it our. Thus the changes we have done we get to find the best of it. Were as an auto is just oh lets ignore the weight difference or the new head or the new headers lets shift like its factory. Whomp whomp.
>>14918605
The only way possible.
Being a man about it
>>14919747
Your personality can also be defined mathematically, faggot. We are also machines, and maybe that's why we can identify and relate to cars. We "personify" them.
>>14919756
You're stupid. Baby boomers know how to drive manuals. That's all they had when they were young. Manuals will die off because of the YOUNGER generations.
Manual belongs on motorcycles, not cars.
>>14920059
Lolno.
Boomers had autos growing up also you stupid fag.
Generation Y males love manual more then Xers or boomers.
Stupid liberals.
>>14919747
To be fair, a car is such a complex, imperfect machine that there can exist individual "quirks" and differences between cars, escpecially older ones. While you CAN explain and calculate exactly what is happening in each part of a car using very well understood physics, there are so many variables when you're actually out on the road that it becomes impractical, similar to what >>14920051 says about humans. Both are complex enough to have emergent properties.
>>14920093
You're proud of being stupid, I see that now. 60 and 70 year old DID NOT grow up with automatics. An automatic transmission would have been a rarity for them.
>>14920093
My dad is right between being a Boomer and a Gen X-er (born in '62) and when I told him that the new NSX had no manual option he called it "pussification". Hell, even my Mom knows how to drive stick, and insists that my nu-male tier brother learns it when he gets his license.
The problem with Boomers now isn't that they don't like manuals or realize they're better, it's that they're to old and decrepit to actually drive them.
>>14920106
Fun fact, the Silent Generation loved automatics because they came about in their life times.
Fun fact, the 50's and 60's were packed with automatics.
Fun fact, 60 years ago 1956
Fun fact, automatics in the US were all the rage at the time
Fun fact, even non car enthusiasts will recognize automatic transmission names like powerglide, because of the cultural phenomenon that autos were.
Fun fact, you're a literal faggot
>>14918923
>I drove manual for years, until I got an automatic and I do all the maintenance on my vehicle, I also keep up with the automotive world.
Jesus fucking christ, why are you even here? Just fucking kill yourself.
>>14920129
Fun fact, You're an idiot.
>>14920123
True. My dad has no patience to drive standard anymore and he stalls the car getting it to move and just dumps the clutch in every gear. No Fucks given for finesse.
>>14918978
Americans, everybody.
>>14920123
Your parents insisting on their kids learning manual is a rarity today.
Also most boomer women know how to drive a manual your mom isn't a snowflake.
Boomers just don't want to drive manuals, that's why they don't buy them.
But the used demand is there, that's why a used auto sports car is worth dog shit.
>>14920147
Maybe in the real world.
But not when I come to /o/.
And not when I step inside an arby's.
>>14920165
Wow, way to redeem yourself with that last line. I'm not even being sarcastic, that was funny as heck.
Automatic is for city driving.
Manual is for the twisties.
>>14918499
I'm stupid enough to enjoy driving automatic, and too stupid to drive manual.
In the end, I fucking win bitch.
>>14918609
I don't really notice it. Everyone told me I'd hate city driving in a manual but I never considered it a hassle while doing it. Living in the outback at the moment where there is fuck all traffic so it's even less of an issue
>>14919014
Who wouldn't? Unless you're on the freeway but even then I'd like to be able to quickly shift and get around slow cars.
>Drive manual
>Fun and engaging
>Your gf wants to chat
>Engagement split
>Notice her tits for a second
>light turns green
>stall
>GF gets out of the car before you can start it again
>hops in LeChad Johnson's escalade
>you never get laid again
>Dirve an automagic luxury car
>chat and drive
>fast off the line at lights every time
>can even dorito
>automanual magic lets you make high revving sounds and hoon about
>pull pussy like your torque converter pulls heavy loads at slower speeds
To everyone here who enjoys driving stick shift... thank you for restoring my faith in humanity. I really don't understand why the car has to shift, park itself, and warn you to pay the frick attention in the first place.
Manual transmission and no bs warning systems for the win.... even more so if you're alternative and have no power steering / abs like me hehe
The main issue I have when driving auto is that I put my foot down a bit and it barely moves, then suddenly when I'm about to stop accelerating, it decides to drop down a couple of gears and now I'm at 5000 rpm for some stupid reason.
This would probably be less of an issue if I owned the car and knew when it was going to change gears but if the car can't see the road itself and know what I'm going to do next, it'll never be as good as choosing the right gear as I am.
>>14920286
If your hand is resting on the shifter you're probably putting pressure on it one way or another, which could be wearing out the selector fork as it rubs against other parts of the transmission. If you keep your hand off and let it rest in its natural in-gear position this won't happen.
Also you should have two hands on the wheel when you drive.
>>14920325
That's called "do a flush and take it to a shop if the problem persists".
>>14920312
>he can't put the car in gear with muscle memory alone
Git gud
>>14920336
Not a fault with the car. A flaw in the idea of automatic gearboxes.
>>14918927
My six speed manual "suggests" when it's best to shift...
'muh control'
'muh connection'
The steering wheel directs the car and gives you the most feedback.
>>14920123
This is what I was getting at baby boomers will die off and they huge demographic for these 8 spd or 9 spd auto will still be around but I think the reallocation to manuals will be higher. People are sheltered into believing that autos are just safe and easy and will give you all of the vehicle. When in reality I stop faster with my manual, I corner and take off faster in my manual, I accelerate better in my manual, and I genuine enjoy driving my manual. Autos have their uses but for me I dont mine crawling in traffic especially when my first gear is 4.01:1 and if its real bad low range.
My mother knows manual but she will never buy or drive a manual because shes scared of it. People have become complacent and doubt there abilities and end up giving up the kinda connection you build with a vehicle.
>>14918927
>Madoka
>black thighhighs
Something doesn't add up here.
>>14920129
>powerglide
>two speed automatic
>TWO SPEED
>literally trying to use "it was a meme at the time so it must be good" as an excuse
>>14918927
>stop liking what I dont like
>>14919605
You sound like an autist lad
>>14918499
ITT: faggots argue over which is the proper way to drive
Literally worse than the retards who argue over which truck brand is better. Both have their pros and cons, but if you honestly truly enjoy just driving, feeling how the car handles, the feel of the acceleration, that moment when your favorite song comes on and you start jammin out. You enjoy both automatic and manual transmission, and you don't be an autist over which one is better.
>>14920317
>guise I don't drive with power steering or abs
>I have such a true connection with the car and the road
>truly the only way to drive xD
I hope you wrap your car around a tree because your brakes failed and you couldn't swerve out of the way.
>>14920317
ABS is good though faggot, what kind of retard thinks he's cool for not having it?
>hehe I dont use seatbelts cause safe driving is for cucks
>>14918927
mfw this is pasta now
I enjoy both my auto (steptronic) and 6spd manual e46. Feels good man.
Before reading this thread please remember that literally half of /o/ doesn't own a car and/or license.
>>14919107
Nice bait.
My problem with new autos:
Many new ones are a robotic manual transmission that is programmed to work as an auto, so if the software is shitty then you're bound to have a shitty ride no matter what.
I've driven these and they are a pain in the ass. On hills they rarely pick the right gear (but at least you can drop into the right gear, still annoying though).
They don't change gears as smooth as an old auto unless it's a DSG style thingy which is smooth but expensive option.
When you want to pick a gear with a new auto there's a software precheck to see if you aren't going to fuck up the car, which is ok and fast with good transmissions, but with standard trim ones it's slow as shit sometimes.
Cool stuff about new autos:
Good ones are more efficient and better at pretty much everything.
Cheap, or cheaper than before at least, since they are basically a manual with software running it.
My problem with old autos:
Worse mileage.
3 gears in many models, which are annoying in certain situations.
Cool stuff about old autos:
Comfy cruising.
Actually pretty reliable in the end.
Shit about manuals:
You can't ride with coffee in your hand.
You can't fingerbang your gf unless you're cruising.
Cool stuff about manuals:
Great mileage.
Get to pick the gear you want whenever you want.
Cheap to buy and maintain, better resell value than autos in many models.
Smooth changes.
Hills, traffic, overtaking, everything is easier because you command what you want from the box.
Depends on the way the car's set up. Take the Saab 9-5, which I clearly can't shut the fuck up about. When it first came out, it was available with a 5-speed manual or a 4-speed automatic. That auto was an auto in the most stereotypical sense: a bit dim-witted when shifting and a not-very-reliable basket case. Then, when 2003 came around, they switched over to a much-improved 5-speed auto that was better set up for the car's behavior. Now this might not matter as much on LPT cars, but on the HOT 2.3T and Aero, using a manual creates dead spots and when racing against an auto 9-5, the manual is going to find itself lagging behind by just under a second, because that newer auto never drops off boost.
Which is different from, say, an MX-5, which is just a simple little naturally aspirated creature in which no automatic can do it any favors if you want it in any way to behave like an MX-5 should. So you want to have the ability to manually run through those gears.
>>14920910
They'll also recognize Torqueflite.
In case you weren't aware, automatics higher than 4 speeds were essentially nonexistent up until about 2005.
3 speeds were extremely common throughout the 80's and 90's.
And by the way you're using meme I can tell you were born after 1998.
I didn't say autos were good, I said they were a cultural phenomenon.
Boomers had, and loved autos when they grew up.
So much so that they would boast about it.
>>14918825
>implying old cars don't exist
>implying mechanical fuel pumps don't exist
I've never cared for stick shift cars. They just aren't my thing.
I've driven a few manuals in the past and I don't like how long it takes to engage the gear and get moving. I like to zip around and move when I want to move.
With manual you have to re-engage 1st gear every time you stop. And that probably takes me a good 3-5 seconds. With auto you just step on it and you're gone.
You can also tell when you're behind somebody with a manual car because in the time it takes them to engage the gear and start accelerating, everybody in front of them is already gone. And every time you want to upshift you have to let off the gas, clutch in, shift, and re-engage the next gear, causing you to slow down and possibly disrupt traffic behind you. Not to mention trying to start on hills and whatnot.
Manuals just seem so antiquated in my opinion. They feel slower and less responsive compared to modern-day automatics. I don't really understand the fascination behind them, automatics take only a fraction of a second to upshift whereas a manual takes like 2-4 seconds to upshift (depending on experience or skill level, of course).
Even though you have more "control" over which gear you want to be in, it takes longer to shift and engage the gear than it would in an automatic. Most modern automatics are also pretty intuitive and are able to sense what you're trying to do depending on throttle input and the speed at which the throttle is applied.
Whenever people talk about how much they enjoy manual, I don't understand why. In my opinion, it's kind of a pain in the ass how you have to do all that work to get moving and the guy next to you in the automatic is already gone. Like, why would you row a boat when you could get one with a motor on the back for the same price.
What makes a manual car enjoyable? Maybe some people also think it makes them look "tough", or like they are a professional driver, but speaking from my experience manuals seem like a big pain in the ass.
>>14922747
>complaining about how long it takes to shift and start in first
If you actually got good at driving you wouldn't even notice these things. It's all reflexive aside from rev-matching and heel-toe. Most manual cars are faster off the line than automatics because a skilled driver can shift faster and smoother at WOT than all but the most high end slushboxes.
It's enjoyable because it's more responsive, both in terms of quickness and physical feedback. Driving manual feels more visceral and engaging, like the difference between walking and running.
You might say running is too hard, that you'd rather just walk, but if you actually got used to running and practised it you'd realized it's just as easy and a lot more enjoyable.
ITT people compare garbage slush boxes that have crap shift logic with Manuels and pretend there are no high quality Ottos
>>14922797
> It's all reflexive aside from rev-matching and heel-toe
I'd call it reflexive mate.
You don't actively need to think about how fast you're slowing to how much higher the rev need to go to what gear you're going into.
If you do it often enough, you'll just understand it.
Like throwing a ball, there are plenty of variables you need to account for, but you just don't do it consciously, you just throw it.
I've figured out why manual transmissions and motorcycle safety gear are so popular in Europe. You may not think they are related but they are. Europeans have so much money taken out of their paychecks by their socialists governments to subsidize luxury apartments for immigrants that they don't have a lot of money left over. So the couple hundred or so and/or the perceived myth of longer lasting aspect of a manual transmission prevent them from choosing a car with a automatic.
As for the motorcycle safety gear. If you don't have a good job even the cheapest manual transmission car is out of your reach. So when your only mode of transportation is a motorcycle then you want to take all the safety precautions you can. Meanwhile here in America a motorcycle is seen as a luxury device and we know it can be dangerous so that is part of the appeal of riding a motorcycle.
>>14918499
I've driven automatics for 6 years (I'm 21). They are fine for getting from A to B.
I just started trying out manuals recently. They really do make the vehicle an engaging part of driving. They're fun and more responsive than automatics that I've driven.
>>14922797
>Most manual cars are faster off the line than automatics
lol no
A torque converter multiplies the torque and makes automatics faster off the line.
>>14922747
>whereas a manual takes 2-4 seconds to upshift
How fuckin slow are u bro? Thatd be a competitive shift for a 3 toed sloth at the wheel... but ive never seen anyone whos half decent at driving manual take any longer than 1 second between gears
>>14923065
Lol what do you think gears do? They multiple torque. Most if not all manuals have a deeper first gear meaning more torque multiplication.
>>14923065
Most cars that have a 5/6 speed and slushbox version put up better 0-60 and quarter times with the manual.
Performance automatics and DCTs are faster than manual, though.
>>14922747
>whereas a manual takes like 2-4 seconds to upshift (depending on experience or skill level, of course).
I literally just learned manual yesterday and in the span of 30 minutes I could upshift in one second. The speed you lose from shifting is inconsequential.
>>14918499
>Do people still think that auto transmissions are better than manuals?
Only if you don't have a left leg that works, or you're running a fleet of vehicles driven by people who legitimately have trouble walking and breathing at the same time.
It's way harder to break an automatic than a manual.
Otherwise, it's just morons who haven't learned to drive a manual properly.
>>14918927
>self driving cars will never be viable
They'll make the roads 9000% safer AND more fun for those of us with 'advanced' licenses for driving cars ourselves.
And even then, you can just have the car take over when you're just cruising on the motorway, or drunk.
> Fun drive to the bar
> Dodging around self-driving cars
> Tripping collision alerts to pass them
> Automatically given priority in the system for red lights, etc. The waves of self-driving cars just slow down a little to make the light a little later, and you get greens all the way
> Get drunk
> Get back into car
> Have the car take you home
> Seat gently tips you out and helps you stand up
> Car lights your way to the door, and locks itself
Your car will be more than just a car. It'll be an artificially intelligent friend. It'll talk to you, welcome you in with a purr of internal combustion, and take care of you.
>>14918499
As someone who is fairly new to cars (In the gearhead sense) I think its simply because its the first car a lot of people learn to drive. And no one wants to move from that comfort zone. I still need to learn how to REALLY use a Manual... Shame on me, yes.
>>14922747
This has to be an elaborate troll post.
>>14922747
>3 to 5 seconds to get into first
Literally how. Shitpost confirmed
>>14918499
>Do people still think that auto transmissions are better than manuals?
For all intents and purposes, the automatic will be better in the sense of raw simplicity. You can't fuck up driving an automatic its go and stop.
Yea sure, mechanically and in other ways, manual is super beneficial and it feels good to drive but it'll never be as easy and simple as an automatic ever will be
>>14922747
>With manual you have to re-engage 1st gear every time you stop.
no you don't. I start out of 2nd all the time. It also depends on your car and how low your idle is
>that takes 3-5 seconds
its second nature dude, you can start from stop as quickly as an automatic
>>14924870
>automatic
>simple
Maybe from the driver's point of view but go rebuild a manual and an auto and tell me an auto is simpler than a manual. Especially a newer auto with 8 or 9 speeds.
>>14918639
yep, this
>>14918499
>buy 2003 Subaru Forester as commuter/road trip car
>relatives ask about it
>when I tell them it's manual they all say "oh no that's too bad!" Or something to that effect
Fucking hell
>>14918762
>tfw 411 gearing 3 speed '72 fj40 with Chevy 350
>don't have to give it gas when I start from a stop
>in 4 low I can tow my boat up the ramp from stop without giving it gas
Oh boy I love torque
>>14925643
Driving it is simple. Not the mechanism itself you nark.
>>14925711
this is a day old thread. check yourself
>>14918556
Your automatic can't see the road ahead of you. It can only ever react, it can never anticipate. Manual is superior on windy roads.
>>14928337
Truer words never been spoken here
>>14922747
trolling aside this is basically your first week and after that you should be shifting in less than a second, if you aren't then you're just scared of learning. Worst part of initially having a manual isn't bumper to bumper traffic as it turns even that situation into something more fun, it's bumper to bumper traffic on a hill if you don't know your clutch's bite point yet and nobody's giving you any rollback room. Modern manuals can fix this problem if they have hill assist.
"It's going to get worse before it gets better"
not like it's actually getting worse you just have to make the plunge. I jokingly thought about getting an automatic shitbox as a second car but now I'd probably go for another manual if I had the choice.
>>14918605
Idk, I just do it without thinking about it. It stopped being annoying after a week or so.
>>14922747
Starting quickly and shifting quickly is not really that hard,. Once you get used to the feel of a manual compared to a slushbox, i.e. a direct connection from the engine to the wheels, and especially if you have direct throttle linkage, you'll never want to go back to a slushy auto.
>>14918499
Greetings from Deutschland.
>>14918647
Er, you should really only be pressing the clutch pedal if the car's traveling too slow to be fully engaged in gear... Not just when you're braking.
>>14918605
>having to use every single part of your body just to get the fucking car to go from still go moving
>>14918796
You know you're supposed to use this thing called a break pedal right? It's what you use to stop the vehicle.
>>14919605
What's it like living with aspergers?
>>14922815
This is the reply you wanted
>>14931018
brakes r 4 flakes
>>14918499
>get fucked with ecu
>put in civic
>fight ecu
>>14931452
>civic
>mods
Might wanna get that checked out by a mental health professional
>>14918499
Maybe 10 years ago sticks were still relevant and were more fuel efficient, but now you have a multitude of DCTs with 7 8 or 9 gears that have way better fuel economy, faster shifting and when you don't want to drive manual you can choose not to. It tries to make a compromise of the best of the auto and manual worlds.
>>14933396
that's like saying "oh man this girl has a penis AND tits. i don't have to be straight if i choose not to. it's the best of both worlds."
>>14933463
Maybe you're into transexuals, but we're talking about manual transmissions here.
