German Car Reliability
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Rank the German car companies in order from most to least reliable.
BMW
Mercedes-Benz
Porsche
VW
Audi
merc>bmw>porsche>audi>90s amerifat cars>vw
>>14896476
All I can say is I dumped my Audi S5 after finally getting fed up with the maintenance. Fun car when it worked though...
>>14896476
Hard to say because older BMW's were more reliable than modern ones. Conversely, modern Audi's are more reliable than older ones.
Also depends on where you live.
Yurop here, never had a problem with either VAGinas or BMW and Mercedes. Old ones that is (90's and 80's cars)
how is this even fair?
there are more mercedes on the road than any other bmw/vw product around.
>>14896598
>Yurop
I've always heard that European Kraut cars are more reliable than what we have in "the states." Either that or the service is just better.
>>14896627
This. BMW did have them beat at the "luxury" car department though in the 80's and 90's with the E32 and E38 7 series, the mercs at that time were good, but a bit overpriced for what they offered.
The W116 for example was pretty much the same shit as the W123 but longer, like even the interior was spot on and aside for power mirrors and windows the 116 got later, they're identical.
>>14896645
Cars over here are driven to the grave. A car with under 200k over here is still practically brand new to us and a car with over 200k is considered a decent enough car because it managed to get this far.
>>14896627
>>14896654
i am from south africa and the niggers here complain that new cars are shite because they cannot take the neglect of the old benz
REMINDER
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>>14896598
I've always been fascinated how Mercedes are used as taxis over there. Are they pretty basic though with just cloth seats etc.?
>>14896496
ERRRRRRRP WRONG!
porch > bmw > benz > loldi > der peoples shitbox
>>14896476
Porsche
Mercedes-Benz
BMW
VW
Audi
![IMG_2384[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FUsNcqm.jpg "IMG_2384[1].jpg")
>>14896669
German cars ain't really moneypits unless you take them to the shop for even the slightest thing.
I mean, they don't break down nearly as often as American cars, but when they do it sure is heavy.
One huge payment or a thousand small ones, in the end both will be just as expensive.
>>14896688
>ain't really moneypits unless you take them to the shop for even the slightest thing
I think the problem is exacerbated though by how electronically-based modern cars are. A lot of these new ones are designed so people are forced to bring it into the shop.
>>14896677
>tfw I drive a Lexus :-)
>>14896670
>>14896645
German made cars used to be really reliable while for some reason they were quite unlucky with their factories abroad.
Also, cars in Germany HAVE TO go through really tough inspections in relatively short intervals (TÜV). They're quite anal about things that would be a non-issue anywhere else UNTIL it turns into a real problem. So the cars are usually in good shape when they're being driven.
Also, taxis usually have taxi leather interior. Mercedes had a special trim for taxi drivers, which wasn't luxury leather and more just utilitarian than expensive looking/feeling but durable.
>>14896802
man, look at those taxi drivers back then.
things really changed.
>>14896818
>>14896802
Shit, my Benz has that taxi leather. it's like normal leather looking but really tough and the seats have these "holes" in them for better ventilation.
>>14896818
Euro cabbies are smelly Indians too?
>>14896836
Yeah, I love that shit. I'm a big fan of utilitarian styled cars. Cars that are designed to be durable. I would have no problem with driving only one car my entire life but that's not what car makers like.
>>14896879
>I would have no problem with driving only one car my entire life but that's not what car makers like.
As far as America goes, BMW's and Merc's are designed to shit the bed after warranty is up. That's why the first owner is almost always a lease.
>>14896902
Really common around here now, too but used to be different. People were working towards to afford a BMW or Mercedes and when they finally could afford them, they drove them until they fell apart.
Now every faggot is leasing them and when poorfags are trying to buy one used, they usually have all kinds of problems.
Apparently the durability and reliability went up again, tho but can't say for sure. I don't trust new cars.
>>14896945
Why not just look up the ADAC statistics?
https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/unfall-schaeden-und-panne/pannenstatistik/
Just click one of those links in the middle. They count out the different vehicle classes sorted by faults.
>>14896818
;_;
Porsche
BMW (Surprisingly lack of electrical issues, just everything made out of rubber/plastic will break)
Porsche VWs
VW
Mercedes Benz = Audi (both turned to shit in the 1990s)
I disagree it's a maintenance issue. It's a design issue most of the time if you don't see the same problems in equivalent Japanese or American cars. Can't "maintenance" your way out of a broken seat gear or torn subframe/shock tower on a BMW for example.
>>14896677
Ford loves making things burn too hot :^) fucking retards need to be shutdown or stop making cars and move to furnaces or something
>>14896983
>ADAC
>trustworthy
I rather ask taxi drivers about cars.
Would it be stupid to buy a used Porsche Cayman for maybe $25k? Are these reliable?
well guys, i am german and i have driven all of them. i had to pay my license myself so i could not afford a car for years, so i used my parents cars for half a year before i moved out. i rate them like this by driving feel:
(- chrysler 300c 5,7) (not kidding, this was the most comfortable - just for comparison)
- audi a8 4.2
- bmw e36 (felt like a dream to drive that)
- vw golf 6
the audi was a good car, but over 350.000km. my parents sold it for literally 2000€, anything over 250.000 is seen as trash here. it was a 1999 model, with all extras. everytime you got something fixed, something new broke. my parents never did anything themselves so it got too expensive.
the bmw was a friends car, i drove it a few times. amazingly comfy for the performance.
the golf was stolen from us after a year, really really boring car, and needed a completely new transmission!!!! after less than 80.000km.
the chrysler is the most comfy, and also the most powerful out of those, iirc. no repairs after 2 years.
>>14897384
>i had to pay my license myself
What does this mean? License is really expensive there or something?
>>14897436
over 3000$ at least, dunno about other countries. not a lot if you have a job, but sadly from the time i finished school until shortly before i started studying i didnt get anything.
>>14897384
What kind of cheap cars are common on German roads? Hondas, Toyotas... Things like that?
>>14897458
not that easy to tell actually .. well it feels like 30% of the cars here is pic related, many early golfs, many shitty opels. hondas are rare, toyotas too. suprisingly many french cars i think.
>>14897448
Haha, it costs $15 here
JDPower study results
I've daily driven one of each brand except porsche and mercedes, on really, really shitty roads, all early-mid 00's cars.
From my personal experience, i believe from most reliable and least reliable it should be like this.
-BMW
>My daily now for the past 2 years, and it has never left me stranded, never had anything serious go wrong
-Mercedes
>Older ones were pretty good mechanically and very strong. Newer mercedes' are really, really fragile.
-Porsche
> Besides some of the engines granading themselves, they are very reliable cars.
-Volkswagen
>ALWAYS something wrong, when you fix something something else breaks.. but the car will ALWAYS limp back home.
-Audi
>Same shit as VW but only twice as expensive.
Shit hits the fan harder if its one of their S cars.
>>14897512
what? but you still have to do these multiple choice tests and take lessons, right?
>>14897546
For me there was maybe a week of driving lessons, then I had to take a computer test at the DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles)
Hard to remember because it was so long ago...
>>14896476
I'd rather not, some models are more reliable than others, believing in the meme that some car makers make worse cars than others is laughable, each car maker has a model out that isn't quite as reliable as their other models or even as reliable as something similar a competitor has made.
You people are really childish enough to believe that some car makers make only reliable or unreliable cars? You people do understand that VAG-concern has a shitton of makes and models under its wings.
>>14896645
Yurofag here. Cars are a way bigger deal over here, so people tend to take better care of them.
Stricter inspections than in the US also help with this, since complete hackjobs won't pass said inspections. You're pretty much forced to keep your car in decent shape.
>>14897360
Reliable, for a mid-engined sports car at least.
Make sure you can afford the maintenance and it shouldn't let you down.
>>14897543
Don't make assumptions faggot, my audi has the same description you wrote for bmw
>>14897538
>Posting the 2 year old VDS
By the way, the VDS is a study about the model year three years before the study, so a 2014 VDS is about the 2011 model year vehicles.
>>14898103
>Buick
>>14898036
>Cars are a way bigger deal over here, so people tend to take better care of them.
Idunno what that's all about M8... Cars are a huge part of life out here in Southern California. Can't really get by without one.
>>14898204
That's exactly what I mean.
Everyone has a car, so cars are a very basic need. Borderline diposable, since they're so readily available.
Here, owning a car is a much bigger deal. There's a lot of money involved for even the most basic of shitboxes.
They're not as important to society, but they are a bigger deal for your wallet.
>>14898074
i also have an audi, a B6
and it's a nightmare to maintain. It's not an assumption.
The only assumption in my post is the one about porsche.
>>14898248
You mean less people drive over there, so driving a shitbox is not taken for granted?
>>14898275
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Sorry, it's late and I'm tired so I can't into getting my point across very well.
Maybe not the best thread to ask, but I'm looking at Mk4 Jettas. 2.0 5 speeds right now. I know they leak to death but what are the common leaks? And why does everyone I look at have a leaking axle on the driver side? Also, is the 1.8t good?
Thanks for spoonfeeding the baby
/ - 60's:
Vw
Porsche
Benz
Audi
Bmw
70's-80's:
Benz
Vw
Bmw
Porsche
Audi
90's-early 00's:
Bmw
Benz
Vw
Audi
Porsche
Present day:
Porsche (need to be driven hard to avoid ims failure)
Vw
Other three are tied for shit tier
>>14896476
>okay
Audi
Porsche
BMW
>could do better
Merc
VW
>how are you still in business
Opel
>>14896476
>No Opel
And only one Anon noticed.
According to Consumer Reports's predicted reliability column under overall rankings:
1. Audi
4. Porsche
5. BMW
15. Volkswagen
14. Mercedes-Benz
>>14898103
J.D.Power's top problems are things like Bluetooth not pairing, voice commands not working, etc. Lexus ranks at the top because their demographic tends to be the elderly who don't use Bluetooth.
>>14899291
>how are you still in business
Pretty much this. What the fuck did Opel do late 90's onward to fuck up so badly?
>>14896857
nah
Most hard working euro cabbies were scared away by aggressive foreigners smashing their cars into their cars.
>>14897486
sounds like Dutch roads, but in that case cheap cars outnumber more expensive ones big time.
>>14898275
It's mostly about taxes.
>>14899387
Opel isn't really German anymore at this point. It's more Polish/Chinese these days.
>>14900286
GM mismanaging Opel, placing it in the market as an 'affordable luxury brand', introducing Chevy as the 'proletarian brand', even though it should have been the other way around.
>>14896802
>Mercedes had a special trim for taxi drivers, which wasn't luxury leather and more just utilitarian than expensive looking/feeling but durable.
it's called MB-Tex and it's fucking shit tier. Although you still see it on old benz's and it looks as new as they day it was bought, compared to leather.
1. Porsche
1. Audi
1. VW
1. Merc
1. BMW i guess
2. Opel i guess
Seriously, how is one brand really worse than the other. Its all a matter of what kind of fuckwads who have been driving the cars in terms of hoooooning and maintainence.
>>14900286
They needed to change their image and stop being the official poormobile of the european continent.
Sadly, it was GM who ran to the rescue.
We have 2 BMWs a Toyota and 2 VW's.
BMW has had to have all 4 injectors replaced ,(1 failed). Other BMW had a problem with turbo.
Toyota is unbreakable.
Vw has no real problems.
Toyota > VW > BMW
>>14896818
i worked as a cab driver for a few months and youre so right
god why have we let this happen?
>>14896756
It's THE sensible choise, borderline dead boring.
Netherless, every lexus is a good car.
>>14896677
>Jewdi top 3rd
>Cadillac bottom 4th
seems legit
>>14896677
yeah nah cunt, there's a British mechanics index floating around and it puts Audi at the bottom with vw and Bentley
I've literally seen my brothers in laws Audi fall apart and my buddies a4 turbo blow the turbo on the highway and my ex girlfriends tdi disintegrate
>>14899511
Your mom tends to like my 22 old virgin dick bro
My first car was a shitbox E36 that I bought for 4 grand. The engine never gave me any trouble but I got stuck so many times because of the bullshit plastic cooling system that broke every chance it got. First it was a leak that flooded the radiator, then one of the fan blades flew off on the interstate, shredding the hoses and the plastic mounts. Later the overflow tank shattered. Then one of the shock towers collapsed leaving the car with a nasty pull. And then the water pump exploded, and that was when I called it quits because I had enough money to buy a car that wasn't going to shit the bed every two months.
Amazing car to drive though.
>>14897566
This. I looked up a practice test on my tablet on the way to the dmv, took a 10 minute written test for like $20, passed, then I got my learners permit.
Year later after a $100 class that met twice (optional, but it cut my insurance by a lot), I paid like 50, went around a small town with the dmv guy and got my license. Id say at most it can cost you is like $500 (€350) if you take it multiple times and take practice classes. If you play your cards right you can easily do it under €75.
>>14899387
I didn't include it because 'Murica. Never even seen an Opel in person.
>>14901298
You literally could've fixed everything but the strut tower for a little under $500 in new hoses, radiator, expansion tank, fan/fan clutch, and water pump.
And if your fan broke likely you had bad motor mounts. Strut towers was it rear or front?
>>14899387
Maan this genuinely makes me sad, my dad had a 93' Vectra, engine was in perfect condition so was the interior, the exterior however was corroding as hell, like fucking cancer eating away from the car's flesh, he had to scrap it :(
I have literally owned all of these brands except Mercedes. And I have had close friends that owned Mercedes so I have some perspective.
Porsche
POWERGAP
BMW
VW
Mercedes
Audi
Maybe Audi has changed in the last 7 or 8 years but when I owned them they were complete shit.
>>14896588
100% agree with this post
>>14899511
>Lexus ranks at the top because their demographic tends to be the elderly
B-b-but... I love my IS350 :-(
Probably one of their only cars that's aimed at a younger market haha
>>14900560
>my IS350
Yeah it's pretty damn quick in a straight line, but the handling isn't particularly sporty when compared to its competition from BMW etc.
>>14897029
The graph already is bullshit if they put audi above Ford. Ford should rank about 9th.
>>14898103
>Using J.D. Power when they've been known to accept payroll, mostly coming from Toyota.
Lexus's sure as fuck aren't #1 in the real practical world. Neither are Porsches or Buicks.
>>14896476
Porsche
Mercedes = Audi
Volkswagen
BMW
>>14902515
>Lexus's sure as fuck aren't #1 in the real practical world. Neither are Porsches or Buicks.
The owners of those brands are in their 70's and drive 2000 miles a year. Of course it's going to be reliable, they also maintain the shit out of them, compared to a "shit tier" manufacture where the owners change the oil every 200k miles.
It's a retarded as fuck chart.
sure is a lot of salt content in this thread
>>14904568
cry more dude
>>14897546
You usually only have to take lessons if you are under 18 years old. Lessons are generally given to 15 year olds.
>>14902515
That must explain why this AW11 MR2 is still running at 306,000 miles
http://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/5525305753.html
>>14898103
why is scion so far down the list if they're just reskinned toyotas for poor people
>>14905901
Because they are driven by high schoolers who do absolutely zero maintenance.
>>14897384
>europoor
>>14896476
Why? In terms of reliability alone, you are just asking which shit is the least stinky. However merc gets a special mention because of that unkillable 300d. (Everything else on it except engine and drivetrain either rusts or breaks. lol vacuum lines)
>>14900353
Not all cars are built the same.
>>14901559
I have a 2002 2.2L vectra with a timing chain and built in navigation/entertainment system. It's a perfect car, but it drives like a tank and is super heavy. Any recommendations what to replace it with?
Pic related, my vectra.
>>14907685
1. Pick something German with an inline six, diesel or gas don't matter
2. Change the oil every three months if you daily it, six if it sees less use, change other fluids depending on their status (check yearly)
2b. Possibly get the underbody sealed to avoid getting assfucked by all the salt on Euro roads
3. Buy a new car in 30 years and do the same.
