What's with the fetish for japanese cars here? Japan puts out some of the most underpowered, numb, non-enthusiast grocery getting appliances I've ever seen and yet /o/ eats that shit up while still pretending to be an automotive enthusiast board.
Reliability is also the first thing that's mentioned about any car here, which should be the last thing anyone here is concerned about since, as an enthusiast, you surely know how to fix most any issue on your own.
What gives? Are you all middle aged women?
Look where you are faggot
>>14882545
1/10 b8
Apply yourself
>anime imageboard
>every country puts out underpowered, numb, non-enthusiast grocery getting appliances
>everyone here is poor as fuck and couldn't even afford the replacement parts for when shit goes wrong
>Do I have to care what other people say?
No
>Why did I respond to such a retarded post?
Just to make them aware that I don't give a shit about what other people say.
>>14882545
>Japan puts out some of the most underpowered, numb, non-enthusiast grocery getting appliances I've ever seen
Not in the 90s, which is what the average m/o/torist can afford.
>>14882566
They're still underpowered, they're just not numb.
Why is /o/ so full of Americucks?
Seriously. What's with the fetish for American ox carts here? The USA puts out some of the worst-handing, numb, non-enthusiast, bloated, ugly plastic grocery getting appliances I've ever seen and yet /o/ eats that shit up while still pretending to be an automotive enthusiast board.
MUH V8 is also the first thing that's mentioned about any car here, which should be the last thing anyone here is concerned about since, as an enthusiast, you surely know how to drive and take corners.
What gives? Are you all boomers?
>>14882580
At least we've confirmed that the best cars come from Germany.
>>14882579
>they're still underpowered
Such a broad statement. I have a 1990 Nip car that makes more power than a 1996 Camaro Z/28
>>14882545
USDM4LIFE, never owned a jap piece of shit and never will. Germans are cool too.
>>14882545
>complaining about weaboos on a japanese imageboard
In all seriousness though, it's probably because the the main demographic of this board grew up in the 90's where granturismo and FnF ruled. The 90's were a golden time for japanese sportscars while america in the 90's were making the worst shitboxes.
The thing about reliability is that, yes it is pretty damn important. Your car isn't worth dick if it cant do it's primary function.
>>14882562
>every country puts out underpowered, numb, non-enthusiast grocery getting appliances
Yes, but Japan is the only one where that's pretty much their entire market.
germany
>muh luxury
>muh street legal racecar
>muh driver first
America
>RAM BIG HORN CUMMINS TURBODIESEL SUPERPENIS
Japan
>keeps your chilluns safe!
>fixing things is scary, just take it to the dealership for new wiper blades and oil changes!
>you don't need a manual, you can't pay attention to the road if you're powershifting into fifth to chase a redline
>good fuel economy!
>>14882668
Japs have their Corollas
Germans have their VW's and Opels
Murricans have the Chryslers.
>>14882579
Compared to what? The 1998 Neon R/T 2.0 with 150 hp? The 1998 ZX2 S/R 2.0 with 143 hp? The 1995 Z24 Cavalier 2.3 with 150 hp? Oh wait those are all less.
Unless you can't into car segmentation and you're comparing it to a 5.0 Mustang.
>>14882668
Youre an idiot
>>14882676
But think about the marketing.
Also, not sure about everywhere, but where I am the majority of American vehicles are trucks, the majority of German cars are luxury vehicles, and the Japanese cars are all shitboxed.
>>14882680
The point is, they didn't even produce anything to compete with, say, a 5.0 mustang or an M3.
They make the best shitboxes, sure.
>>14882694
Over here in Europe, all the cars are shitboxes.
Them Mercs you people consider the very epitome of luxury or german engineering? Terrible trash over here.
BMWs? Childrens toys.
>>14882706
>r32 gtr beating the shit out of everthing in every race.
>>14882706
since the guy you're replying to was specifically talking about the 90s
>M3
Soarer, Leopard
>5.0 mustang
Supra, mid-tier Skyline models
>>14882607
At this point I can't tell if this post is supposed to be unironic or not. I'm about 99% sure anyone posting a LeBaron is actually trying to make the Japs look good, though.
>>14882545
/o/ is basically just the Japanese flag with negative camber on the left positive camber on the right...
>>14882724
We're talking about things that got sold in countries that matter here.
Sorry, country.
>>14882737
Eat shit, USDM master race
>>14882706
The point is, you just changed the point after getting your ass handed to you.
You're still wrong btw, as others have pointed out.
>>14882747
kek aren't you the guy who was complaining the other day since he bought a LeBaron and it was literally always broken and he wished he could switch back to his piece of shit Subaru or whatever?
just kek m8
Friendly reminder that buying a Japanese automobile is supporting a company that made war machines that have killed you fellow Americans.
>>14882806
Friendly reminder that this faggot is a dumbass
Pro tip our (USA) own machinery kills Americans every day.
>>14882779
What? I've had this thing for ages and I've never owned a Subaru.
Never had a single fucking problem with this piece of shit, thing has been bomb proof.
>>14882819
I hope the spirit of Hideki Tojo possesses your shitty 1.6L lawnmower 4cyl and explodes in your weeaboo face.
>>14882832
One day you'll see what the world actually looks like
>>14882806
Friendly reminder that you fought that war on behalf of the same kikes whose offspring are moving all of your manufacturing to Mexico and Canada. You're all cuckolds.
>>14882720
I knew it this explains everything
>>14882545
>Website that practically worships anything Japanese
>asking why there are weeaboos here
>I'm totally falling for obvious bait
Also, Japan does not just make underpowered shitboxes, they also have supercars in the form of the GTR, LFA and NSX. Besides those are a whole range of sports models, from the Honda Civic Si to the Toyota 86 to the Nissan 370Z, all of which are respectable sports cars.
>>14882779
It's that Danish Ameriboo I love with his VNT Turbo Lebaron 5-speed
>>14882830
Sup Bro. Figured out how to get your shine back yet?
>>14882907
Finnish, not Danish. Also, it's a Turbo II, my first ever car was an US import VNT that got rear ended.
Paint is still fucked, got a brand new radiator for the thing with a new intercooler. Going to drop them in probably next weekend after I'm done with the BMW.
>>14882901
>Civic Si
>Toyota 86
>respectable sports cars
oh my kek
>>14882907
Danish Ameriboo? are you telling me>>14882607>>14882747
>>14882830>>14882918
is not american?
>>14882918
how on earth did you end up with a le baron?
My experience with jap and german shitboxes.
Ever heard about v-tec breaking down? How about vanos?
>>14882933
Naw mate, I'm Finnish. And Finland did get LeBarons, most of them were brought over from Germany where it was quite popular really, at some times people went for them instead of 190E Mercs.
>>14882901
>GTR is a super car
I respectfully disagree. As would most if I was to guess.
>>14882545
Because it's a board on 4chan. Duh.
>>14882680
This.
>>14882545
Underpowered? Are you comparing it to 5.0 mustang or whatever?
Also take note that not every person is willing to spend shitton of money on a vehicle. Thus we get something that we can afford and that's fun to drive.
For me it's either a good dohc vtec or any small turbo car.
>>14882951
>implying VANOS seals drying out even matters
BMW cams are hot and VANOS tones them down, you just end up in the high performance mode all the time.
And again, afraid of wrenching. It's a $60 part that takes maybe 2 hours of time to fix.
>It's a "triggered americucks throwing a tantrum because japs single-handedly threw the ameribubbler car industry into irrelevancy" episode
>american cars
>>14882980
My even rattled on startup, I wanted to kill myself every morning.
>>14882954
LeBaron was also popular here in exYu during commie times.
Maybe those where made in Austria like Stratus?
>>14883128
Naw, built in the US of A for export, says so on the slam plate and the sticker on the inside of the drivers door.
Mine was built in St Louis, Missouri.
>>14882545
Because 4chan is a Japanese website owned and operated by the Japanese.
>>14882545
>Are you all middle aged women?
I drive a Japanese wagon, I am 5'10 and /fit/ as fuck. People just dpn't like american get over it!
>>14883378
>I am 5'10
also
>implying that not japanese means american and not german
of course american is shit
Stop arguing and post animu cars
>>14885173
>>14885179
>>14885188
>>14885194
>>14885173
>implying her taste in cars isn't the same as her taste in dick
Dunno about anyone else but my old man owned a Toyota Trucel(our however you spell it) and only had to change the battery once and this car ran for 20+ years with very little other work done. When he sold it it had 400,000+ miles in it
>>14882545
On the 1/100 chance you're serious: Japan makes good, cheap cars. For basically 30 years America forgot how to make a good, affordable, usable car. So when people went looking for a reliable, small car they went to Japan.
Now America makes nice cars as well, but if you are looking second hand, then Japanese is the way to go.
Plus, Japan has produced some of the finest sports cars of the last 20 years. Rx-7, Supra, Skyline, BRZ, WRX, S2000, Miata, NSX and Lancer Evo.
><replying to b8
Because they are either cheap and very easy to get and maintain or somewhat harder to find and thus "exotic", at least more than the rest
>on the american market
>european cars are either very common (BMW, Mercs) or hard to find but unineresting (french brands, Seat) or hard to find, interesting but impossible to maintain and expensive (eastern cars, italians that aren't Fiat, british sport and luxury)
>on the european market
>american cars are not easy to find, but impossible to live with due to high prices for fuel, lack of space unles you live in the countryside, lack of people who can repair them
>>14882747
That's a Chrysler engine from back when they teamed up with Mitsubishi to make turbo K cars isn't it? Pre DSM era.
Though that looks like the 2.5L NA 4 banger in my Dodge Spirit shitbox. Pretty sure mine isn't one of the Mitsu engines, it's also a TBI.
>>14886455
Yes, that's the old 2.2 Turbo II, the turbo intercooled engine pushing out 174hp and fuck if I remember but it's a lot of torque too.
It was all Amercian though, Mitsu supplied the 2.6 and 3 litre V6 engines which had either oil leak issues or head gasket issues.
>>14886477
For a 20 year old non direct injected 100hp NA i4, my shitbox has some semblance of low end power. I'm sure in it's prime it was even better. The turbo II with a full 74 horses more must feel great.
>>14886513
Yeah, the old Chrysler EEK engines were designed for low end power rather than high HP figures for the time like the civics and other Jap engines.
Name of the game back then were em pee gees and torque got that from a slightly heavier body.
Some people at Chrysler were really close to supercharging the engine, but the management wanted more turbochargers in everything because they were the new hot thing back then.
>>14885338
> brz
>drive 60hp civic hatchback
>still fun to drive while being dangerously slow and gets 45-50mpg
>>14882545
They make good commuter cars and some neat sportscars, just like the US and Europe.
anything is better than American from my experience
Jap cars are nice and cheap anyway
>>14886587
Then you haven't owned an Opel.
>>14886595
nope
the 1 Opel Ive seen was a GT thats been sitting for 20+ years
>>14886595
..or Fiat, or MG, or Triumph, Peugeot, or Renault, or etc. etc etc.
>>14886599
Opels are like the spawn of satan, they're the very epitome of fucking terrible cars that blow up every now and then. Those shitboxes are the bane of all mechanics yet they keep on making those fucking terrible things.
Does the Cadillac Catera ring a bell? It's a rebadged Opel Omega which was like the last RWD Opel over here. It's nowadays nothing more than a childrens skid toy for one winter because they rarely last to the second one before blowing up spectacularly.
If I remember correctly, the Catera was even bigger of a failure as a Cadillac than the Cimarron was.
>>14882545
>>14882580
What's with the fetish for chrysler cars here? Chrysler puts out some of the most underpowered, numb, non-enthusiast grocery getting appliances I've ever seen and yet /o/ eats that shit up while still pretending to be an automotive enthusiast board.
Reliability is also the first thing that's mentioned about any car here, which should be the last thing anyone here is concerned about since, as an enthusiast, you surely know how to fix most any issue on your own.
What gives? Are you all middle aged women?
>>14885338
>brz
bait
>>14882720
So what's luxury over there?
>>14886787
overall, big Mercs and BMW. Also Porsche Cayenne.
If you are in the UK, then Bentley Continentals and blinged out Range Rovers.
If you are in Iraly, sport cars are often preferred to luxury cars. But for those who want their fancy ride, there is always Maserati (although they have been dreadful for a couple years) but you don't see t hem all that often
If you are in France, there are still a couple folks pretending that the large Renault and Citroën selons are somewhat luxurious,but mostly Mercs and BMWs. And fucking Cayenne that have never left the town.
>>14886691
>Chrysler
>underpowered
Nigga they put a hemi in anything
I can get you from the slushbox stand point tho, 9 speed automatic pls go
>>14887278
So the trash is still luxury, huh? Got it. Thanks anon.
>>14882676
Opel is american>>14882680
>>14887360
The Merc/Maybach were pretty good but overall luxury cars are really not what they used to be. A lot of rich folks now prefer sport cars so luxury cars try to appeal to the bling loving crowd (see Rolls Royce and Bentley) while the rest has a very small market (see Maserati, Mer/Maybach). The luxury-SUV meme has pretty much killed proper luxury cars.
But there is a lot of middle ground between the shitbox and that. Unless you are italian.
>>14887376
Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
>>14882720
This is such a retarded meme. You guys have a lot more retards rolling around in 318i's and little tiny Mercedes diesels.
In America, the most common BMW I see is the 335i and it's generally optioned out. I have legitimately never seen a BMW with a displacement lower than 2.5L other than an old E30.
>>14885338
>Miata
gr8 b8 M8 8/8
>>14887313
>90's/00's chrysler
>put a v8 in a jeep
>250hp
>5.7 fucking liters
>so wide there's literally 0 room in the engine bay
I'm so mad about that
>>14885338
>BRZ. Looks good but has Go Kart Power.
>>14887881
Weird as I see kids rolling in 325's over here all day every day.
Given most of them are older 36's and 30's with the occasional 46.
Problem over here in EU is that everything with even a bit more CO emissions, a bigger engine or anything fun, is instantly taxed to hell and back, thus the 316 shitboxes are quite popular here.
I personally drive either my 3 litre BMW or Benz, anything bellow 3 litres is a starter motor and anything bellow 2 litres is a power drill
>>14882579
263k miles 0-60 under 9sec, 30+ mpgs, seats 5
cost $3800 name a better deal
I blame mostly the rise of playstation and FnF movies. Before these 2, most American "boyracers" were still mechanically inclined, V8 driving power sliders that raced over the weekend. The only imports "racing" around were owned by middle age men and their kids took them out at nights. Muscle cars surged in power in the 90s after a bland 80s.
To this day, the IROC-Z is one of the best handling cars available. You wouldn't know because no one gives american cars credit anymore.
Most street light cars were automatics in the 90s, With 4.10s in the rear, nothing could touch you. After FnF, American cars got better but were given less credit because the jap cars were CHEAPER because the modded V8s were too expensive at the time.
I don't hate import cars, I just hate the scene and lack of credit given to American Sports Cars.
>>14888468
>this is what ameritards actually believe
>>14888468
>American "sports" cars
Going in a straight line isn't a sport, champ.
![2000-2003_BMW_530i_(E39)_Sport_sedan_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dfLwzA5.jpg "2000-2003_BMW_530i_(E39)_Sport_sedan_01[1].jpg")
>>14888431
100k miles, 0-60 under 7 seconds, 30 mpg, seats 5, costs $4000. or $5000 if you want an immaculately maintained interior.
>>14888431
>he thinks 9 seconds to 60 (and that's redlining it in every gear) isn't underpowered
You're the one of those fucks with the anemic engines that I always get stuck behind going 50 while trying to merge onto the freeway.
>>14888431
>0-60 under 9sec
>bragging about it as some sort of achievement
>>14889085
*and $10000 in repairs within a year of ownership
>>14889093
9 to 60 is plenty for daily driving and merging without any issues.
You're not merging in from a standstill anyway you fucking tard.
>>14889130
>9 to 60 is plenty for daily driving and merging without any issues
>>14889134
If you think otherwise then you clearly can't drive for shit and probably ride the bus anyway.
>>14889126
I'm at 9 months of ownership right now and I've spent $200.
>>14889143
Please tell me you're from europe and you're just trying to justify the fact that you're forced to have lawnmower engines on your car or pay a thousand dollars a month in taxes and insurance.
If you're an american and you're voluntarily driving a slow shitbox like that when you can have something good for not that much more money, you are truly lost.
>>14889151
Stop trying to turn this into some nationalistic meme shitflinging contest, tard.
If you think 9 seconds to 60 is too slow for comfortable daily driving then you're a retard who can't drive for shit.
>>14889159
you're like some dude with a 4 inch dick saying shit like "t-the worldwide average is 5 inches, i-it's totally adequate" smdh
>>14889159
I say this from experience, I used to drive a 2009 civic. There's this onramp I have to drive on frequently that's very twisty. you have to go about 25mph around it. Then it gets onto the freeway and there's not a very long section of ramp to speed up on. The civic was incapable of getting up to speed fast enough and I would always end up having to merge at about 55mph. It was terrifying, because it's a busy road. 9 seconds is not fast enough.
>>14889166
Underage busrider please go.
>>14889166
He's a little dick weeb boy driving a little dick jap car, what do you expect?
>>14889093
my jeep does 9 seconds 0-60
http://www.wjjeeps.com/engine.htm#SPEED
it's not anemic
>>14889215
>I only have experience with 1 vehicle: the post
>>14889225
but I do only have experience with one vehicle
>>14889234
You don't know what slow is until you've had something that isn't.
>>14882951
>Ever heard about v-tec breaking down?
Quoting a know nothing like Clarkson aside, yes I have.
>>14882545
The real question is, why did Japan go from making cars like the RX-7 (250hp-275hp) and Supra (220hp-275hp) in the '90s, to cars like the FR-S (200hp) today? In 20 years of advancement, the Nissan 370Z gained 50hp over the 300ZX. In the same 20 years, the Camaro gained 150hp (from 160hp-275hp to 310hp-426hp), and the Porsche 911 also gained 175hp (from 272hp-402hp to 365hp-572hp). It's like the Japanese became complacent and stopped trying.
>>14889215
really anything over 7 seconds is anemic as fuck dude
