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Which one?
Why is the Mazda happy and the ford mad?
>>14878958
>drive both
>decide
Personally the Ford, but they are very similar. No one on here is going to make up your mind for you.
>>14878958
Speed3 is superior
>>14878958
When is Mazda going to put out a updated Speed3?
>>14879003
Few years yet
The Focus ST is a updated Mazdaspeed 3.
I'd get that, considering they cost almost the same anyways. I'd get a Fiesta ST before both though.
>>14879003
A good one? Neva eva
http://www.motortrend.com/news/mazdaspeed-models-currently-hold-will-mature-future/
>mature
Based Ford of course
>>14879217
Fiesta ST here.
I test drove both and I personally liked the Fiesta more, but i was looking for a smaller car
>>14879316
Also, quality is slightly higher on the Focus. Fucking interior rattles are the worst part
>>14879326
The fiesta is also a bit stiffer than the focus so that will cause the interior to have rattles sooner
>>14879316
Let's see dat focus tho.
>>14878958
Price wise they are around the same, go out and drive them both, drive a Fiesta also.
>>14879217
wrong, the DISI 2.3 is way different....also bigger k04 vs the k03 turbo on the focus
>>14879316
>>14879407
I'd be coming from an S13, so I have no idea how bad the quality of the interior is on the fords are based on how people describe them. I'm used to wind noise, squeaking, and rattles. All I ask for is a soft touch dash board.
>>14879316
Also, the smallest I'd want to go in terms of size is something like the GTI. I'm 6'1", and it appears that the fiesta is a bit smaller than that, albeit more fun to drive than the fost
take the ford if you want rust issues and glass transmission
>>14879602
>soft touch dash board
WHO THE FUCK TOUCHES THEIR DASH!!!!?????
WHO???!?!!!??
>>14879619
Rubber doesn't rattle as much as plastic. You're not required to touch it.
>>14879627
The fuck ever moron
>>14879615
6'3" here. fit in the fist just fine. the fost actually made me feel more claustrophobic than the fist. the fist is more fun to drive as well.
>>14879618
I'd take the glass transmission for weight savings. Fucking technology! Finally we can make a transmission out of silica!
>>14879637
Are the recaros not worth it as a lot of people seem to mention? I'm surprised no mechanical LSD is offered
Doesn't the speed 3 suffer from bad torque steer due to not having an lsd?
>>14879647
fiesta cloth is meh, recaros are worth imo
focus cloth is ok, recaros are better but not necessary
>>14879655
It IS LSD.
No it doesn't torque steer unless you have the arms of a 10 year old girl
Speed3 is more raw, FoST is more refined.
>>14879647
only tried fist cloth and fost recaros. fist felt fine, fost recaros felt tight. still want to try fist recaros before i make a final decision. i've heard they break in and they're mostly a love it or hate it kind of thing. gotta try it yourself to really know.
imo speed3 is better since it has a mechanical lsd and not an electronic one that fucks up the brakes during hard driving.
Buy the cobalt ss turbo, it's much faster than both unless you're dead set on a hatchback
>330 whp with basic bolt ons and a factory tune
>>14879721
good luck finding a relatively low mile example that hasn't been beat to shit
>>14879721
Pretty set on a hatch. Was really comparing FoST to MS3, also considering GTI. I'd opt for a newer MS3, but Mazda said that they will be skipping this generation.
>>14879240
Fucking Mazda. They're finally making great cars but they're all slow and gutless. Fuck. I was really looking forward to that mazdaspeed3.
>>14879647
Quaife offers a mechanical LSD for the Fiesta, but there's no factory option.
>>14879689
You can add a mechanical LSD to a Focus ST and have it work in concert with the TVC (Quaife ATB)
You can't add the newer, better chassis/suspension of the ST onto the Mazdaspeed as easily.
>>14879740
I find ones in my area from 7-11k with 100k km to 220k km. The one I'm looking at has 80k km, 2009, 5 speed for 7k, one owner. you never know
>>14879748
I would skip over GTI in general. Volkswagen is garbage IMO.
OP here. Doing some further reading, I never realized that the FiST makes 200hp and is somehow under 2800lbs. Are the claims of this being close to an integra not entirely bullshit? I'm taking more interest in it now but that interior doesn't look too appealing
>>14879618
>rust issues
lol mazda is quite known for being rust mobile
Speed3 if you can get one.
regular mazda 3 is pretty shit, even FiST is faster.
>>14880146
Every single car journalist loves the Fiesta ST and quite a few prefer it over the focus since it's 500 pounds lighter. Just go drive one.
The interior isn't the greatest but I don't think it's bad. Just a standard econobox interior
>>14879683
>le fist and fost meme
Can you stop talking like a retard?
>>14880366
I fisted your mom last night
>>14878958
Neather, I'd rather cut out my own asshole and shit down my throat they own those.
>>14878958
Neither
>>14880105
>I would skip over GTI in general. Volkswagen is garbage IMO
Thankfully your opinion means nothing.
>>14880728
butthurt volksfaggot
muh gerbun engineering!!!
>>14878958
Don't they share the same chassis? Choose the engine and interior you like better lol.
>>14881034
I just double checked and yes they are ford c1 platform. According to wikipedia if you trust it:
Among all of the cars, the floorpan is different, but the front- and rear-subframes, suspension, steering, braking, safety, and electrical components are shared.[citation needed]
>>14880750
Nope. Just a grown adult man.
>>14880703
lel Volkswagen
One more deluded idiot that fell for the marketing jews.
>>14879316
The thing that sucks about these for me is that getting a used Fiesta ST over a used Focus ST isn't actually saving any money. The KBB/NADA value of the Fiesta is lower, but you'd be lucky to find one under $17K whereas you have many Focus STs that low.
>>14878958
The FoST, which is what I bought.
I dislike Mazda happy mouth.
get a c30 and get a tune and you've got pretty much the MS3 or FoST that looks 8 times sexier
>>14881178
for the boyracer in you
>>14881178
The c30 is aesthetic as fuck but a goddamn BARGE compared to the focus st.
>>14881204
they are about the same weight i think the focus just gets a better suspension
better one
>>14881300
Dodge reliability with Audi repair costs
>>14880146
It's closer to an EK3 Si but Integra is not a bad comparison. You can have a 10:1 torque/weight ratio fairly easily, hp:weight is harder to get there (big turbo swap) but it seems you can daily a Fiesta with 300whp/300tq reliably.
Interior is econobox tier especially without the Recaro seats. But the steering wheel is nice and the pedals are well set up, I like to think of the interior as simple and not cheap. But yeah, just drive all three and then make up your mind.
>>14881348
>memes
>>14881136
That should be your first clue as to how good the Fiesta ST is then.
>>14880146
The Fiesta ST is incredibly worthwhile and I would take it over anything else posted in the thread. I'm a hair away from 6'5" and just shy of 200lbs and I fit just fine. Definitely do yourself the favor of test driving everything and choosing that way though. I was a hardcore BRZ fan and bought one brand new in 2014 but kept hearing amazing things about this little econobox. Sat in it and gave it a few test drives, then two weeks later sold my BRZ and bought a new Fiesta ST. Zero regrets, amazing little car.
>>14878958
Just look at it. LOOK AT IT C O M F Y as FUCK!
>>14881125
Do you have an actual mechanical criticism of the car or just pol tier jew remarks
>>14879818
You really don't need to that to the MS3 to get it to corner like a beast though. There are tons of great aftermarket suspension upgrades for it (I'm a CorkSport shill so they're my go-to for that stuff) so I'm not sure what benefits the FoST would have over my GenPu chassis wise and suspension wise that I couldn't fix with more rigid bracing and upgraded suspension components.
This isn't the best example but http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f44/forum-wars-mazdaspeed-forum-vs-8thcivcs-com-69112/
With a similar competent driver, similar mods and handicaps I don't think the FoST would have done much better. Do you have any sauce on the improvements to the chassis and suspension of the ST over the MS3? I'd like to read up on it.
>>14878958
Focus looks better.
>>14878958
>>14881890
Honestly I'm just extrapolating from the MS3 being based off of the 2nd Gen Euro Focus's chassis design, while the Focus ST is the 3rd generation. Most of the reviews comparing both I've seen have the MS3 come off as more raw and the ST more refined, with the MS3 more inclined to understeer while being stiff/raw (more mechanical) while the ST is always described as tail happy while being controllable from the TVC and being quieter/more refined. The ST is a good second quicker in a few tests comparing the two (MotorTrend and Autoguide) which makes me personally think given their equal outputs that Ford improved on the last gen's chassis/suspension aside from adding TVC.
People have added quaifes onto the STs and it actually works in concert with the TVC to lessen understeer and wheelspin on corner exit. They don't work against each other. But it's more noticeable in a track scenario where you wouldn't have as much fade from it constantly kicking in.
>>14882312
I think some of the major differences you see in lap times are people not realizing you need to short shift the MS3 on a stock turbo/tune because of the fall-off in power after ~5500 rpm (hurray tiny turbo). You can see some instances where the MS3 is faster that the ST here: http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/a684moi6nau1
And making the ST more tail happy than the MS3 could be as easy as softening the front anti-roll bars and slapping on some heavy ones in the rear. Not to mention as >>14881053 points out, they share the same platform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_C1_platform#Global_C_platform
Very easy:
For you, just test drive both.
For me, the FoST :)
Is this cheap, or is something wrong with it?
http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/5545410395.html
>>14882616
>rebuilt title
>>14880728
As a red seal mechanic I see more shit that is fucked up on Volkswagens than any other car, why would anyone buy one?
>>14879635
>>14879619
Top b8
>>14882998
>as a red seal mechanic
stop making things up anon
the gti
>>14879444
IIrc thought the st's come stock wth a k04s right? The k03 is old as shit i had it in my shitty 1.8t jetta
>>14879776
Isnt quaife expensive as all fuck? Like 10k for a sequential gearbox n shiz
>>14883037
Ok keep buying Volkswagen
>>14883068
I think it's about 800 for the LSD and then you have to figure out how to install it.
>>14881352
Is that reflector housing? So they don't come with hids stock?
>>14883171
Nope, only the yuro st comes with projector headlights.
I wish they would've used the headlights that were on the prototype
Mazdabro here,
when i got my 12' speed3 i test drove it back to back with a FoST, and the Ford was very numb in the steering and brake feel while also being harder to see out of. You're taller than I so it might not be so bad for you with the sightlines, but the rear seats in the Speed seemed to offer more leg room.
Good luck finding too many used FiST's anywhere, since they only have, what, 2 model years so far?
>>14883474
>2 model years
>potentially not making any more in the NA market after 2016
>everyone is holding on to them
Sounds like a good reason to pick one up to me, similar limited run vehicles turn into collectors items, so who's to say? :^)
>>14883474
Three model years, but the used ones are going for the same price as base model new ones.
>>14883171
It is a reflector housing, I'm running a switchback LED bulb that's 6000k DRL/Amber turn signals. Silvania SilverStar Ultras (4700k) in the low beams. You can custom order RHD Euro Fiesta lights for close to $1000 or do a retro fit if you really want projector housings.
>>14883515
LHD* sorry, not the RHD ones. The lights made for the German Fiesta ST essentially.
>>14881352
Hey Instant, what did you do for headlights? Mine are still stock and they're honestly pissing me off with how -notcrisp- they are.
I've seen a few people mention projection swap, but that's fairly pricey just for headlights, so I was taking a look at different bulbs and could use some advice.
thanks bro
>>14883528
http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/led-bulbs/listed-by-vehicle/ford/fiesta/2011-2013-ford-fiesta-front-turn-signal-leds-pair
http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/catalog/product/view/id/22323/s/2015-ford-fiesta-st-fog-light-leds-pair/category/539/
http://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-SilverStar-Performance-Halogen-Headlight/dp/B008BE04C6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461101924&sr=8-1&keywords=silvania+silverstar+ultras
Currently out of stock, but I'm using the Cool White/Amber turn signal LEDs (with resistors), 6000k LED Fog Light bulbs, and Silvania SilverStar Ultras. The mismatched color temperature bothers me a little bit, but better than running 6000k HIDs in a reflector housing.
Everyone on in this thread is stupid, Ford Focus RS 2016 is superior to all of your dumb bullshit.
>>14886160
>MPG 19 city 25 highway
might as well buy a real sports car
>>14886160
>$50,000 girls car
No thanks
>>14883474
Yeah when I picked up my GenPu way back the FoST was announced but hadn't been released yet. So I debated between a MkVI GTi and the Speed3. Took a test drive in the Speed3 first and that was that. Though at the time I wish I had the extra income I do now and got a STi hatch instead.
/thread
>>14886340
Tell me where you're getting 50k from, because here in Southern California they're at dealerships for 38,500.
>>14883561
Thanks m8 wish we lived closer to each other so we could have some fun canyon runs together. Unfortunately the car culture here in San Diego is either nonexistent or the result of 12 vatos and their families ricing out their Hondas in the worst ways possible.
>>14888238
In canada they're 46k MRSP
>>14888265
Oh my bad I thought you were talking about real money there at first :^)
Yellow car
happy face is always better
I have a 13 MS3 with 30,000 miles on it. I haven't driven a Focus or Fiesta ST so I can't offer any opinions on them.
But I love my MS3 to no end. The power delivery is really good from low to mid, but high up it has a dramatic drop. Like, you go from violently rocketing forward to almost nothing and you can feel it. The torque steer isnt bad as long as you hold onto the wheel, but it is especially apparent in second gear. Putting the pedal all the way down in second or third gear and in the middle of a turn is a handful. It handles very nicely for what it is and the suspension honestly doesn't seem rough at all compared to other cars. The road and wind noise isn't bad, either. You will still want to avoid potholes but if you hit one it won't kill you and bad roads won't beat you up, either. You really need good rubber with this car on anything buy a perfectly smooth road. The car isn't very good at putting power down over bad roads and conditions. Not stock, anyways. Aftermarket is pretty good and affordable. I have a few Corksport and JBR things that weren't very expensive and work very well.
The sound system is absolute garbage. Don't be fooled by Bose. My old 2010 Vibe GT had a much better sound and bass. Interior quality is pretty decent but by no means amazing. Mine doesn't have any rattling or squeaking yet and that is all that matters to me for the interior of a car like this. Having GPS is useful sometimes depending on who you are and how much you like to use your phone. The USB plug in for music is nice but it takes a good 15-20 seconds before the car reads the USB drive and starts playing music from it. The system seems to check Bluetooth first no matter what. Interior room and visibility is fucking excellent for me, much better than a lot of cars that I have driven, especially rear visibility. Blind spot monitoring is useless if you regularly check mirrors, but I guess it's cool to have? Maybe?
>>14888968
Blow off valve in my car with a Corksport CAI and down pipe is pretty loud and very satisfying.
Turbo lag is really low, it's fun to sit in third gear at 3,000rpm or so, put the pedal all the way down and have the turbo almost instantly be at 15PSI. Second gear at 15PSI as mentioned in my earlier post can be a lot to handle on shit roads, but it is a lot of fun. The car ramps up the PSI fairly quickly and it doesn't ever feel like I'm waiting for power to come on.
Be warned that a lot of people will try to taunt or race you. That makes sense. But in my area it seems to almost exclusively be young faggots in rusted out Honda Civics which is very confusing and I imagine, embarrassing for them? I don't know. Oh and people in Dodge Darts around here like to try and race me for some weird reason. SRT4 drivers are either Bros or complete faggots. Other MS3 owners are all Bros.
>>14888980
MS3 bros are legit, can confirm.
Where I'm at I have boomers in C3 Vettes and young guys in old Volvo 750rs trying to race me. I always feel bad pulling on them, but the faggots in Altima Coupes with the 3.5? No remorse.
Focus/Fiesta ST
fuck the speed3's weird ass clutch
Let me say this as a speed 3 owner
the speed feels faster and is faster
the ford "feels" weak in comparison
however, after driving in it for a few years and then driving more driver focused cars. i can't but hate the driving position and the seats (the seats really suck ass). I can only imagine the seats in the focus are better.
they are so close you really have to test drive them both.
i also saw that you were thinking a GTI... don't compared to both cars here the GTI is a stuttering cluster fuck of a failure of a car. The only thing going for it is its interior. everything else is a money pit waiting to happen not to mention. minivans give the gti a run for its money, just dont.
TL;DR
Test them both
>>14888238
43 with first world options then 7-10k in dealership markups
Might as well by a mustang or camaro and get something that rapes it six ways till sunday
>>14880703
good car great diff. and handling but doesn't it hurt when someone overtakes due to ur engine
GTI is superior to both
>>14883151
>mazda
torque steer
>ford
underpowered
>>14889224
Goddamn, could hot hatches be any uglier?
>>14882998
That's horseshit and we both know it. The only people who bitch about VAG products are the morons who buy beat to shit examples on craigslist.
Not the cars fault that it's had shitty owners since the day it rolled off the show room.
I've seen every make and model beat to shit but it's always the German makes where everyone is 'hurr durr german cars are hard to repair'
The day you start believing that is the day you just take your dumbass to the bus stop or start using uber.
>>14889237
>torque steer isn't a FLAW it's YOU you're WEAK
kek
Just admit that your car isn't perfect, fuckboy
>>14889751
Found the hamplanet manlet with spaghetti arms.
>>14889903
Wow you're really dickriding your favorite little wonderhatch hard. lol
>>14878958
Buy whichever car isn't a Ford
>>14889909
And there ain't nothing wrong with that. Especially if one is capable of reaching the top shelf of the pantry without a step ladder and doesn't need assistance to lift anything heavier than a bag of helium.
>>14879667
If you need to counter torque steer then there is torque steer, dumbass
>>14890061
This is true. While the level of torque steer is a meme, it doesn't negate the fact that the speed3, even with a mechanical LSD, does suffer from it.
>>14878958
I'd get the focus
>>14878958
Aren't these most likely the same care anyways? I mean the Mazda 2 is just the Ford Fiesta.
>>14890588
no anon the mazda 2 is the toyota yaris
>>14889527
>vagboys assmad as fuck
Volkswagen will always be GARBAGE
>>14890717
>>14890588
>>14890799
>festiva
>fiesta Mk5 (discontinued)
right
>>14886289
>Posts a challeneger
>Not a new Camara or Mustang
>Not a Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, or Lexus
You really do not only have shit taste nut opinion in general.
End your life.
>>14890982
Why are you tasting that anon's nuts to know they taste like shit?
