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/o/, school me on the pajero
I drive a 2005 lwb np gls.
It has the super select transfer case. You can choose between rear wheel drive, 33/67 split 4wd, 4wd locked centre diff, 4wd low locked centre diff.
It has a built in ladder frame which mitsubishi claims to increase resistance to flexing and torsion. This is also the reason why the pajero is so light and has a really low centre of gravity compared to it's body on frame competition. Additional bonus of increased safety.
It has full independent suspension which is pretty shit for rock climbing, but increases both on road and off road handling dramatically.
Engines: 6g72, 6g74(shit), 6g75, 4m40, 4m41. 6g72 - good for shit tier countries with shit tier fuel, extremely reliable bulletproof workhorse.
6g75 - 3.8l mivec. Lots of horsepower lots of torque.
4m40 - 2.8l diesel.
4m41 - one of the best diesel engines out there. Lots of low end torque and decent horsepower. Has a little princess high pressure fuel pump so needs good diesel.
>>14878738
I don't know much about them but I found a fuckin Pajero Evo the other day
>>14878738
>school me on the pajero
it is the spic word for wanker
>>14880034
there is a real one in the Richmond district of SF
>>14880069
I'm in Japan so it's probably not as rare as in the US
Still neat though
>>14880000
I'm the guy that was asking about integrated frames yesterday. How can you compare the montero's frame to the discovery's? Is the technology different?
Pic related is something I found, but it's in russian. Does anybody have similair images for land rover trucks or unibody jeeps?
>>14880195
The lr3 lr4 use a different technology. The subframe is separate and attaches to a stiff monocoque body. Closer to traditional body on frame suvs, but far heavier than the lightweight pajero.
>>14878738
Solid truck. If looking at the earlier 2nd gen Pajeros, They cop either the 6G72 or 6G74 V6 petrols and 4D56 and 4M40 diesels.
While the smaller engined 6G72 and 4D56 have a slightly smaller drivetrain, the 6G74 and 4M40 get the larger gearbox/transfer straight out of the smaller Canter trucks and an 8"/9.5" front/Rear diff, similar to a Landcruiser without the full floating rear axles and solid front diff.
>>14880000
The 6G74s here in Aus run happily on 91RON fuel.
>>14880511
mpi or gdi engine? The gdi engine is notorious for being very unreliable. Regardless, I believe both the mpi and gdi engines require a higher octane fuel than the 6g72.
>>14880534
That'd be the MPi. Never seen or heard of a gdi engine, but then we only briefly had the 6G74 and 4M40 in the first model year of the 3rd generation NM (never even had the option of the 6G72, which ceased to exist with the 2nd gen shape) and then replaced with the 6G75 and 4M41 respectively.
>>14880195
>Monocoque NM-onwards Pajeros have proved to be solid on- and off-road performers that have few in-service problems. Any doubts about the strength of monocoque bodywork have been dispelled and there are suspension kits in the marketplace to beef up the independent back end for load carrying and towing.
>Frontal bodywork isn’t strong enough to support a heavy auxiliary battery in the case of vehicles that are driven off-road, so a fridge battery is better placed in the cargo area.
From motoring.com.au
>>14880548
Given that all the aftermarket companies stock auxiliary battery trays to sit in the void behind the original battery, I doubt that.
>>14880541
The 6g72 is still sold on pajeros in third world countries with poor fuel quality. A very simple engine for simple tasks.
6g74 gdi was fairly common, if not more commom on nm pajeros than the mpi engine. It had a lot of issues and required high octane fuel and constant oil changes. Mitsu engineers didnt know at the time that the quality of european 95 98 octane fuel differed from japanese and were in for a shock when the engines high pressure fuel pumps starting going bad. I believe the 6g74 was discontinued for the fourth gen.
>>14880565
i kid you not my pajero came stock with a double battery bracket
>>14880585
Proof motoring.com.au are shitposting Aussies. Probably published by falcunt... just edited by someone who knows how to utilise grammar.
>>14880576
Like I said, our first model year NM engines were just run out NL motors. I would've thought Euro fuels would be of similar quality to Ausfaggot fuels here, but I guess we didn't get the GDi 3.5s. Hell, even our 6G75s are all MPi AFAIK. Sounds as though we dodged a bullet.
Mitsubishi has a rep for being "The Chrysler of Japan", because of the Eclipse and 3000GT, but are it's SUVs good?
>>14880621
Never encountered a non-mivec 3.8 pajero. I actually prefer my 4x4 engines simple and if I could get a fourth gen 3.8 with multi point I'd be real glad. The only official engines available in russia for the fourth gen are the 6g72, 4m41 and mivec 6g75.
>>14880534
>>14880541
>>14880576
Lots of 3.5 GDI Pajeros where i'm from and I haven't heard much issues about them.
Could only get the GDI in an Exceed or one of those special versions like the Snow Athlete
The 2.4 GDI in the Galant was pretty shit
>>14880626
Americans are the only ones who say this because American built Mitsus are shit.
Also the GTO wasn't even unrelibale. It's just old now and people beat the shit out of them then complain when they can't afford to maintain it
I owned 3 Mitsubishis and the only issue I ever had was an O2 sensor fault covered by warranty
>>14880725
arent american mitsus built literally by chrysler or some shit?
As far as I'm aware the pajero is built exclusively on the separate pajero plant in gifu, japan. My NP was built there.
>>14880742
2nd gen Pajeros were also built in China and India
Some Chinese company still makes them.
Interestingly the Chinese army pretty much buys only Mitsu 4WDs (outside of whatever chinese shit they get supplied with). Always see green Pajeros and Challengers on military plates
Pajero means wanker in to most part of South America
>>14878738
Fairly reliable japanese 4x4s
Good off road
A bit agricultural in terms of comfort
>>14880511
second gens come with mechanical transfer cases. My np super select had problems with its solenoids, which occurs if you drive too much without using the 4wd. Local dealership sent me a new one for $80.
>>14880742
I know every 3000gt/gto/stealth were built in the same factory in Nagoya
>>14878738
I've had a bit to do with the 6G motors, they get them along relatively handily, but are very thirsty. The turbo diesels tend to be fairly indestructible things if you look after them. Only work I've seen had to be done on one was a worn out turbo and injectors at 240,000km. Then it went on another 40,000km around Australia twice (mostly offroad too) before I lost track of it.
Aside from that-
All those P-Dakar wins is just fucking nuts.
pajero facelifts when?
new pajevo when?
>>14881055
not in the near future.
>>14880946
They took all 3 podiums in 92 if I recall correctly
>>14881157
I know a pajevo reboot might be a bit hard to get but the current generation of pajeros has been around since 2006 I think
why is mitsu so lazy
don't get me wrong,current generation is still pretty amazing both aesthetically and performance/price wize,but a facelift is kinda due by now
>>14881183
the fourth gen isnt too different from the third gen. A bit more welding to the frame, stock rd lockers, engine moved a bit to the mid. So basically mitsu is making the same car since 1999.
is it just me or do all 3rd Gen+ pajeros sound literally the same?
>>14881412
well a 4m41 will sound drastically different from 6g75 so probably just you
I was deployed about this time last year and our command somehow scored 3 or 4 of these things to drive us around to posts inside our perimeter (they weren't armored or anything but we were just driving within our own camp so it was fine).
Those things are fucking dope we jumped them over sand dunes and hooned around doing donuts and shit slinging sand all over the place. 10/10 would do again
Man the nl pajero looks sweet. That's pininfarina design for you.
>>14880000
4M41 is basically the only sane option though.
6g72 = needs moar torque
6g75 = lol10mpg
4m40 = good luck finding one with non-ridiculous mileage
>>14880576
>a very simple engine for very simple people
Kek
>>14881157
It's not far away, but I have a real fear the full size Pajero is going to go the way of the Evo and turn into a full faggot mobile.
>>14883445
>going to go the way of the Evo and turn into a full faggot mobile
Spot the vaper.
>>14883445
speculations are that they will probably introduce it by 2020 or 2021 if they don't drop it by then. Most likely it's going to be some weird hybrid.
I actually have zero problems with the current pajero. Sharks have existed for 450 million years and havent evolved that much because theyre the ultimate killing machine, same goes for the pajero.
>>14882264
Actually it's pretty neat that modern pajeros come with the 6g72 option. If you're offroading in ussr block countries or west africa the 4m41 is not even an option.
when will mitsu return to the dakar rally?
>>14884838
wut
>>14885729
This. Claims of it being an old platform are somewhat redundant when it was ahead of its time on release.
As long as it has its light truck originated 4M motor and equivalently tough drivetrain, it's a winner in my books. While I'm worried to see what's to come, I guess I'd be sticking with my NL regardless.
>>14887382
same here. Although I feel I might upgrade to an nx mivec or get my dad to buy one for himself in the near future, just for the minor upgrades. Only thing that gets me worried is that my grandfather bought himself an early fourth gen in 2010, and my gf's dad bought one in 2014 and they both tell me the build quality just isn't the same as it used to be.
I've always liked the Pajero/Montero, but I've never been keen on their power plants (we didn't exactly get the diesels here in my part of the U.S.)
But guess what bolts into the stock transmission with just a bell housing swap from its donor transmission, and also bolts onto the stock motor mounts of 1st and second gen Pajero/Montero's?
A Lexus 1UZ-FE V8, also known as God's gift to the world.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OwBVV-d9Bmo
This reaaaaaally makes me want to buy a Pajero. Really bad.
Best looking pajero gen?
>>14880195
range rover's monocoque frame
>>14888122
What about a manual, what if I want a manual?
I want this with a manual. I need this to be manual.
I will buy another montero and swap this if I can have it in manual.
>>14888035
I for one can assure you the built quality is no different.
In Europe they rot. I have a 4d56 and it looks great but Euro salty roads eat them to pieces. The 56 is underpowered for the bulk of the thing (especially the long wheelbase) and mine is a short wheelbase. Someone earlier said there was no factory dual battery setup but they're wrong, there was some rumor about a "winter pack" on the the 2nd gens (look out for a small orange sticker on the rear door) but I think it was a pretty standard option on the diesels. The super select transfer box is good and the gear ratios aren't bad, they run pretty big boots without messing the ratios up. Mine had a thousand japanese electronic options that had mostly all broken by the time I got it but I ran it for a few years and had a lot of fun with it. In the end the chassis did it in and it now sits rotting in the yard. Great look, awesome tilt meter pod in the dash but would I get another one? No way they're a money pit.
>>14878738
too heavy buy a fourtrak
t. expert
what does /o/ think of this one? has been on craigslist for a while and I like the look.
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5546506540.html
>>14889831
Is this your first pajero? I've heard that the interior quality has really declined in the fourth gen pajeros.
I looked at a 4th gen Pajero at the county fair, didn't really feel comfortable to sit in.
Is there any way to get rid of zhe spate tire without it looking like shit?
>>14890306
Where do you sleep in that thing?
not as good as landcruiser or patrol
does anybody know what the torsional rigidity is for the third and fourth gen pajeros? Wikipedia states "A lower center of gravity meant the Pajero had better on-road handling manners and the newer body had over three hundred percent more torsional rigidity." What's the exact nm/degree?
>>14893818
In his pimp's house.
>>14893825
how is the landcruiser or patrol better?
>>14894302
The land cruiser caught up last gen, mitsu stagnated. Patrol is too obese for offroading.
The pajero was the superior offroader for about 15-20 years.
>>14894302
they aren't
pls respond
but this one has been listed for a few weeks with the seller relisting it every few days. what could be wrong and what do you think this could go for?
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5549582055.html
>>14895769
i really have to see it to know m8. That's a really old vehicle. Owner claims theres rust. First thing I would check would be the frame, arms, transmission and transfer case.
>>14890293
Paint quality on Pajeros (and Pajero Sports as well) is notoriously subpar. But if you put anti-corrosion coating on the underside and protect wheel arches with that thick rubbery stuff, they'll run for decades.
AFAIK current-gen diesel Pajeros come with 2 batteries in Europe, while petrol V6s come with one (the engine is too fat to fit a second 70 Ah brick I guess).
>>14894302
Well, Landcruiser 200 is a land yacht with better comfort and way more bells and whistles, yet still just as capable off-road. But the question is, will you go off-roading in a $100k SUV loaded with electronics?
The newest Patrol is essentially a bloated Juke, it has no business near Pajeros and Landcruisers anymore.
>>14895769
Can't say anything without seeing the frame.
Exterior rust is not an indicator of how bad it really is - depending on where and how it's been driven, it can be okay or it can be >DO NOT DRIVE THIS VEHICLE tier.
![cruiser-new-lights-and-bar-work-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7hR6PF8.jpg "cruiser-new-lights-and-bar-work-2[1].jpg")
>>14895750
Sure they are.
>>14896905
Bringing the 70 in to this is just unfair
>>14896905
>>14896910
Modern Pajero is essentially in the middle between the bare metal 70 and the bloated luxury 200. It's essentially what you buy if you can't find a 80 or 100 in a good condition.
In my 20+ years of offroad adventures i have only seen two roll overs first hand. One was a lifted Delica trying to drive sideways on a sand dune.
The second was a NM pajero. The lack of wheel articulation in the rear suspension meant the whole car tipped back till the wheel finally touched the bottum of the rut. The momentum then carried the car over the side of the steep mountainside.
Very lucky a tree stopped them from dying.
Fuck pajeros. Also with Mitsubishis history of covering up safety issues. Why would anyone risk it???
>>14897891
Are you talking about this specific video?
https://youtu.be/GeYmDOzoibk
To me that's just pure driver error.
![15764618830_e1a85fa110_b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iAKJpyC.jpg "15764618830_e1a85fa110_b[1].jpg")
>>14896905
no, they aren't
>>14898557
this triggers my erection response.
>>14898557
Im waiting for you to post a better mitsushitty than the 70 series landcruiser
>>14900663
I'm not a pajero fan, but I'd rather get a nice prado than a 70 series. Wtf are you paying for when you buy a 70 series lc?
![52_1943293921[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SxkgbAg.jpg "52_1943293921[1].jpg")
>>14900835
They're extremely reliable and easy to fix in the bush. I agree with the prado\lc tho.
Here's an arctic truck 46" one.
![52_1883152151[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pqLYsb5.jpg "52_1883152151[1].jpg")
>>14900914
![52_1424072984[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hXuhztR.jpg "52_1424072984[1].jpg")
>>14900915
![52_118827936[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FhsZsv6.jpg "52_118827936[1].jpg")
>>14900918
![52_287626276[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iNvWBpt.jpg "52_287626276[1].jpg")
>>14900920
>>14900914
I would never pay $70k for a literal truck with leaf springs and no aircon. But that's what fleets buy and that's why the 70 is still alive.
The 70 series tlc and it's good m8 the landie defender dont stand close to modern 4x4s. If you want to know which mitsu is better than the 70, well it's probably anything from the third gen and upwards. The pajero stagnated by about 15 years, the 70 by about 30.
>>14880000
Biggest issue I have with Pajero is really low ground clearance and limited suspension travel especially in front.
>>14900946
>the 70 by about 30
Not really man, only thing that is similar to older 70 series is cab design. Suspension, engines, interior, everything is different.
It does still have leafs in the back but have you seen those packs, coils rated that high would offer no benefit over leafs.
>>14900968
the ground clearance of the pajero is 225mm. Same as for the land cruiser and patrol. The lwb pajero has a pretty shit departure angle though. I don't have the exact numbers but suspension travel for the third and fourth gen should actually be pretty good.
>>14900663
google "all of mitsubishi paris-dakar victories" in which toyota have 0 victories
then pic whichever you like
>>14900663
'08-'15 pajero sport is 98% of LC70 (plus aircon!) for 50% of the price.
2016 pajero sport can suck my dick though
>>14901071
>1981+35
>not having 500 mm of clearance
>and a jet engine in case you're stuck
>and 2 packs of rocket boosters in case you're REALLY stuck
>>14888122
They swap 1/2JZs into Pajeros over in Jamaica alot.
Seems to work well offroad. I heard there were a few turbo 1FZ swapped ones over there as well
>>14900968
>>14901071
pajero wheel travel is about 440mm. This links gives comparisons for most popular offroaders, it's in russian but pretty understandable.
http://www.off-road-drive.ru/ratings/Offroad
>>14904839
i don't think most of those vehicles are stock lol. There are 2 pajeros on the list with different scores.
>>14904920
They're stock. For the two Pajeros it's MY2009 vs MY2014 with different trim.
