What's the cheapest hp for the money?
I've been thinking foxbody mustang, or maybe a turbo civic or miata. I just wan't to go fast for cheap.
>>14850686
Fox if you want to go straight
Turbo civic is just dumb, I love a nice civic but they're not really supposed to be fast
Swapped Miata would be expensive and impractical.
You'll smoke every burger flipping 19 year old at a car meet on a bike, and they're cheap.
>>14850686
mustang if you want real speed, civic/miata if you want the sensation
not saying they are the absolute best but they are good
>>14850686
I vote sc400
Dirt cheap 300hp
Downsides-automatic
Turbo sbc/sbf is cheapest and most horsepower you can get, provided you are experienced in fabricating your own shit
>LS1 Fbody
>300+ hp stock, endless potential
>less than $5000 all day
>>14850834
>i vote for grandmas old lexus
lol
>>14850861
objectively this
4.6 or 5.3 out of a junkyard Silverado + junkyard twin turbo
>>14850868
>4.6
you mean 4.8
>>14850686
TT Ford 400M
>>14850686
foxbody mustang. Miatas only have 100 hp, they are laughable really. I got a fox and it's wonderful, very fast, and it isn't even really fast yet.
>>14850861
i'd kill for a fbody
but then merrica would kill for a falcon and older commadores so :S
Swaps!
Plz gib camero
>>14850686
Foxbody plus cheap turbo, you'd be fucking surprised how fast they are. Probably the cheapest way to go fast. Alternatively you could do any older Camaro also but you wouldn't be able to get an LS1 Camaro for the same money as a fox, you'd have to settle for an LT1. Never seen an LT1 turbo build in person but I'm sure that'd be pretty fast also, problem is the Camaros weighed more than the Fox bodies so take your pick.
Foxbodys are too expensive now.
Turd gens are the way to go
>>14851487
Cam and heads first maybe upgrade or remove the cats then consider nitrous instead of turbo
>>14850861
Put $5000 into a fox and see how fast it is
>>14851520
True on the upgrades for the Fox but it's fairly easy to find one that already has basic stuff done to it like the Heads, cam, bolt-ons.... nitrous would also be a viable way to go fast for dirt cheap. The 5.0's are fairly tough and can handle a 150 shot pretty well.
>>14851520
Good luck finding a decent foxbody for $5000
>>14850686
Hp per money has nothing to do with a car but with it's engine. Therefore, Honda K series below 400hp, LS engine above 400.
>litterally every single foxbody is $5000+ in the south regardless of condition
fucking hicks
>>14851538
Luck is something impatient people think is how other guys find good deals but I got mine for $1500 but where could you possibly live that you can't find a fox for $5,000? By "decent" do you mean "immaculate"?
4th Gen nova with a Craigslist turnkey small block and throw the bottle at it. Personally I don't fuck with N2O but it's a way to make a Honda's worth of power for relatively cheap
>>14851538
http://m.autowereld.nl/ford/mustang/4-9-v8-ghia-14636345/details.html
>>14851542
>Just $500 and a weekend
>>14851538
>>14851552
Stop looking for Foxbody Mustangs - start looking for Fairmonts, Zephyrs and maybe even the odd Capri.
> more hp=fast
WRONG
if you want to go fast for cheap get a supersport bike like a gsx r 100 or something.
>>14851552
http://bham.craigslist.org/cto/5538027482.html
http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/5514544202.html
http://nashville.craigslist.org/bar/5505398462.html
https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5528889296.html
http://huntsville.craigslist.org/cto/5497797994.html
Gs400
>300 hp 310 tq shitbox
>commonly available for less than 3 or 4 grand in good condition
>change both front lower ball joints upon receipt
Adding lightness
>>14850834
>>14852700
Although I have a built fox, for a young dude that is looking for a powerful cheap DD that'll be ready to hoon as soon as it's paid for as well as 50,000 miles later I have to agree that these may be better choices.
Were Foxbody Mustangs not neutered like other smog cars of the 80s?
>>14852753
They were.
>>14852753
They were, but less so, and GT40 heads and intake manifolds are cheap. Not to mention cheap cams.
>>14852753
Straight from the factory the heads and headers were severely choked. As a result stock they have zero top end speed, however you still feel that 300ft-lbs low end torque.
The thing about foxbodies is that they are easy to modify and make fast, or at least that's the meme.
>>14852700
The 400 did not make 300hp lol. You're thinking of the 430. I had one, incidentally. Really fucking quick standard.
>no one said 7mgte supra
4-6k for one in good condition
Turbo a K20 and put it in a <2005 civic/rsx or put a k20 in a miata.
People make 400WHP on k20's with stock internals, just need 600cc+ injectors
>>14853296
well yes, the sc400 did make 300 hp stock in the later years
>>14853415
In the SC it did, never in the GS.
>>14853418
Oh sorry misread that, but its still the same engine right? Cant be hard to get it to the same power right?
>>14853415
>>14853418
290, second gen GS400 made an even 300.
>>14853310
They're not exactly the fastest cars
4th gen Camaro
if you know what you're doing with turbos, 3 or 4 grand worth of kit will make a miata have almost 300whp, put that on a 3000 miata and you have an absolutely terrifying power to weight ratio for 6-7 grand, 7.33 pounds per horsepower
that's equivalent to 504 wheel horsepower in a 3700lb car
Rb30det
if you know what you're doing with turbos, 3 or 4 grand worth of kit will make a mustang have almost 700whp, put that on a 3000 mustang and you have an absolutely terrifying power to weight ratio for 6-7 grand, 5.5 pounds per horsepower
Im sure there might be better options but the fox is a good idea. The makes good power with mods and is still reliable enough for a DD. And the 8.8 will hold up to 400hp unless you do 4.5k clutch dumps with slicks. Don't do what I did.
>pic related is my driveline
Foxbody
On 3 turbo kit (1500$)
supporting mods
tune
Bam you got 400-500hp easy
>>14855717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93oL28ICU0
>>14850834
Get the 300, the V8 throws the handling off, the V6 has much better handling for drifting.
Or you could always just go in a straight line.
>>14850834
There are manual SC's out there, you just have to look. Had one in last week.
>>14851603
back to your containment thread squiddy
>>14855605
jesus christ that thing just noped the fuck out
>>14855745
It was swapped.
cheapest rwd shell you can find
Cheapest LS based motor from the junkyard you can find
cheapest turbo you can find
Blammo. 500ish HP shitbox.
>>14855815
Yup, put a pretty big dent in my floor too
>>14855870
atm im looking at upgrades (canadiano here) and FUCK why are heads so expensive ? i can buy a whole low end turbo kit for the price of a pair of AFR 165s
A built N/A block is just crazy expensive when you add up stuff
>>14853292
The Meme and the The Reality.
>>14855905
Check yards for V8 Explorers and Mountainers.
>>14855960
Memes meme because truth - or very appealing lies
>>14855981
No you don't understand. I don't want shitty heads, but I also don't want to spend any money.
>>14857303
get the best oem heads and just port them
>>14850771
you are a dumbass, turbo civics are plenty fast on highway pulls
>>14850861
you are a dumb nigger
an sc300 with a turbo JZ longblock can easily make 800hp on stock internals
>>14855740
>v6
>>14855768
cagercuck mad as fuck lel
>>14855856
>20k project car
>cheap
>>14855905
I actually bought mine with the afr165's.
>>14850686
Foxbody every time
>>14857368
>highway pulls
found the guy who cant launch
>>14857368
>an sc300 with a turbo JZ longblock can easily make 800hp on stock internals
This is a 2JZ fanboy meme, in the real world stock internals 2JZs don't last very long making that kind of power.
>>14855768
U mad bru
DSM until it blows up.
>>14853310
Slow, heavy shitbox.
>>14853316
>K20
>FWD
>Miata
Are you retarded?
>>14855745
SC300s, yes, but not SC400s
I'd suggest one of the following
>1UZ 240SX
There's a swap kit available for $1200. You can use your stock trans and driveshaft with it. It's also possible to find a 1UZ for $500 or less. The only downsides are having to hunt for the right deal on the 240, and that you'll be stuck with the stock power due to such a limited aftermarket on the 1UZ.
>1JZ Cressida
The 1JZ is cheap right now, since it narrowly avoids the fanboy tax placed on the 2JZ. The Cressida is generally cheap, but you still get the fuckers who act like it's a rare car. You should be paying under $1000 for the car. Shop around for the engine/trans. I wouldn't pay over $2000 for a solid, complete set.
>V8 Miata
This is probably the most fun option. A decent Miata with minor issues can be had for $1000-1500 if you're patient. The main engine options are Ford 5.0 or LSX. The 5.0 is the cheaper route, but it'll throw off your weight distribution more and make less power. The LS is gonna cost more for the engine and swap parts, but it weighs less and will make much more power. An LS1 and T-56 drop out will normally run close to $2000, but that's with hillbilly LS-swap tax applied. You can get them cheaper. The 5.0 and T-5 will run you around $1000, but you can spend about half of that if you shop around. Both swaps, if I remember correctly, will cost you close to $5000 for the needed swap parts. The more you can make yourself and nigger rig, the more you'll save.
>>14858348
>implying there aren't k20 miata swap kits
dumb tripfag
>>14858146
people daily drive 800-900hp unopened 2JZs, you are retarded
>>14859259
>Shitty swap that costs more than an LS swap
>Best K20A makes 221hp, 159lb/ft
>Can't be boosted on stock internals
Hondacucks never fail to amuse me.
>>14859383
>more than an LS swap
>you get to keep the same transmission and rear end
strike 1
>221hp
k24block/k20head builds has proven to make 300 whp N/A, lets not forget its lighter than an LS
strike 2
>can't be boosted on stock internals
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=55035
thousands of stock internals k series are safely boosted to 500 whp on average
strike 3
sorry, you are a dumb stancecuck tripnigger who doesnt know anything
feel free to reply so i can prove you are a dumb nigger again
V8? Foxbody
4cyl? DSM
>>14850686
Cheapest HP for money is a Plymouth full size from 65-73. You can get a running and driving car for under 1500 and you are starting with 325 hp minimum. A 440 will get you to 335-375 and they mod really well. Headers, exhaust, intake, and a carb will get you from 335hp to about 370 quickly and for well under 700 bucks. And because the majority of the motor home and truck 440s rand low compression, they can be boosted about 10lbs with an 850 CFM carb tuned correctly.
Pic related was $600. A battery later and she was running fine.
>>14859409
>Get to keep the same trans and rear end
>Still costs more than an LS swap
Pathetic.
>"builds"
>300whp N/A
LS2 with a small cam and good set of heads will make 500whp N/A. And the weight difference is only about 100lbs. Sorry :^)
>K20A
>11.5:1 or 11.7:1 Compression
>Boost
Good luck with that, retard. :^)
Quit fanboying so hard and think realistically, Cuckcake.
>>14858348
>suggesting swaps
>cheap
>>14859484
Just coming in to say you're stupid, and despite the compression ratio of K series motors they are boost loving sluts.
Answer is still junkyard turbo LS, but you're dumb. K series motors are god tier.
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>>14859484
>Still costs more than an LS swap
so a new subframe, transmission, new rear end, driveshafts, halfshafts, transmission mount are cheaper than a transmission housing and a modified subframe?
kek, you are one dumb nigger, it's pretty obvious that just by your name alone you have never worked on a car before
>LS2 with a small cam and good set of heads will make 500whp N/A. And the weight difference is only about 100lbs. Sorry :^)
kek, an ls2 is like 5-6k, just with the cost of the engine and t-56 trans you can install a 300 whp k24/k20 in the miata
you are a dumb nigger that unironically thinks an LS2 costs $500 and can be installed in an afternoon, after all you are a dumb stancenigger, i dont blame you
a k series with the transmission weights 400 lbs, just the LS engine alone weights 500lbs, so the difference is bigger than just 100 lbs
>11.5:1 or 11.7:1 Compression
lol, poorfag stancecuck can't afford an e85 tune or water injection
k20 engines from tsx's and rsx type s have lower compression ratios anyway retard
sorry stancecuck, got BTFO again, anything else?
>>14859511
>700 lbs junkyard iron turbo block LS
>the answer
if you want your miata to understeer, of course
>>14859496
Most engine swaps can be done for free, if you have the right skills or a willingness to learn.
>>14859511
Have fun when your Gay-series pings itself to death. You obviously know nothing about how compression ratios and boost work together. Does your wife's lover do all your maintenance for you?
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>>14859607
>Most engine swaps can be done for free
KEK
LS swap fanboys are truly the dumbest people on /o/
![cirno-baka-touhou-project[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5L6DOxr.png "cirno-baka-touhou-project[1].png")
kek, this tripcuck stancefag just completly ragequitted from the thread :v)
>>14859701
Cirno best 2hu
Cheapest HP?
Junkyard big block with a stroker kit and blower
>>14859565
You must not have done much research. You still need a new trans and diff if your car doesn't already have the torsen diff and at least a 1.8 trans. The 1.6 trans and open diff would just get torn apart.
Then there's a stronger clutch, header, the shitty "conversion kit", S2000 intake manifold, throttle body, injectors, fuel rail, intake manifold adapter plate, modified coolant neck, Hondata Kpro ECU, NB steering rack, and NB throttle cable (assuming we're using an NA for budget purposes)
That's still not everything needed to have the swap running reliably. The LS swap can be done for cheaper, and uses a driveline that will actually hold some power, unlike the stock Miata shit.
>LS2
>$5-6k
More like $3-4k for a full dropout depending on who's selling. You're retarded if you pay ebay prices.
>500lbs
Try about 400. Keep pulling info out of your ass.
>E86
>Water injection
Neither of which is required to spray the LS to the moon and back :^)
>>14859616
>Buy car with desired drivetrain
>Take necessary parts
>Part out the car to get your money back, maybe profit
>Fabricate mounts, modify parts, etc
Keep trying to defend your shit engine. An LS Miata would stomp the shit out of a K-series Miata any day, and for the same or less money invested.
Also, I don't own a Miata, nor am I a stancefag, so that's a pretty useless insult to try and use.
>>14851575
Bullshit. No classic car that clean would go for so cheap.
>>14860168
Lol they can. More Americans know of the mustang than the Capri and I have not seen a Fairmont in years. Chrysler C bodies are the same way friend. An immaculate example only brings about 7-10k and fully restored ones and resto mods peak at 29-30k.
>>14860168
>>14860177
I got mine for $1500 and the seller did know what he had but he neglected to put the keywords "fox body" or "mustang" in his ad and I had to travel to the dark heart of Appalachia to get it. Anons have asked if it was Ukraine from the background on these pics from the Craigslist listing I stalked for months waiting for him to show signs of being negotiable.
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>>14859846
>You still need a new trans and diff if your car doesn't already have the torsen diff and at least a 1.8 trans.
completely irrelevant because you need to change both on an LS swap kit
so if you start with a 1.8 and a torsen you are good to go
>Then there's a stronger clutch, header, the shitty "c.. blah blah i am a dumb tripnigger
literally anything but the clutch is also needed in an LS swap, do you think you use stock miata cooling, throttle linkage or ECU?
kek, dumb tripnigger grasping at straws
again, fucking irrelevant argument
>More like $3-4k for a full dropout depending on who's selling.
>b-but i can get one for less if i go and suck somebody's dick
sorry but that meme is not going to work here, only dumb LS swap fangirls belive they will magically find a guy selling his LS2 for cheap when they can sell it for more to a drift kiddie
>400
nope
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=129304
>497.2 lb. manual
sorry tripcuckold, wrong again, maybe try spending som e more time reading about engines than sucking dick and watching cuck porn
>Neither of which is required to spray the LS
you can spray a k20 to 500 safely, surely you can mak more out of an LS but thats basically the only advantage
>Buy car with desired drivetrain
>sell it as parts
kek
only a dumb stancecuck tripnigger like yourself belives you will get your money back from selling a car in parts after taking out the two most valuable pieces, the engine and the transmission
>Fabricate mounts, modify parts, etc
thats nice, but still irrelevant since the same delusional argument can be made for a K swap
of course i am not going to tell you a K swap can be done "for free", because unlike you i am not a dumb nigger
keep trying to justify spending 6k on the engine alone when you can install a k20 for that much
>An LS Miata would stomp the shit out of a K-series Miata
KEK considering you can make 500 out of a k series reliably, it wont happen since you have the weight advantage
>>14859467
But you get steering, handling, safety standards, braking, weight, and tech from the 70's.
>>14859416
>DSM
>>14860177
The Capri is actually far cooler, interior wise, than the Mustang. Also, at Carlisle in PA last spring, there was a McLaren edition Capri for 8500, and I thought it was the coolest car there. There were buckets of other old boomer shitboxes for over 10k, but nobody cared about how rare that Capri was. Had I had the money I would have bought it, but regardless; if you, OP, get a Capri, pls don't fuck it up because you wanna go fast for no money. But I'd recommend an older Honda RR, even foxbodys are slow as hell by modern standards.
>>14863296
Stock bottom end DSM is good for 500hp, some are making 600hp also.
cheap fast? nitrous. ls[whatever]
I know a guy that has a stock 1999 transam, with stock motor that has 260k miles on the ODO. +125 shot of nitrous, I witnessed an 11.89 quarter time... I'm an SBC man, and I was impressed. $5k trans am for a nice low mileage one, +$500 nitrous kit. for $5500 you could be a street strip hero.
>>14850864
Posting from my 99 trans am with 171k
LS1 running strong
>>14863296
Nobody in their right mind would buy a McLaren to gofast with. It's been a long time since I've even seen a regular foxbody convertible built for speed that wasn't a legacy build. Regular Capris aren't THAT rare. Not yet anyway but I plan to hang on to mine and mainly just tinker with and baby it cosmetically so let's hope.
>>14862896
He said horsepower. And the handling on T bar cars isn't that bad. If you were to put 600-1000 into suspension as well they can handle the corners well. For example, CPP makes a kit I bought for my car for 830. It now handles like a much more modern car albeit with a tad more body roll because I didn't go as big as possible on the sway bars.
It's still the cheapest Hp and mods are both easy and relatively inexpensive.
>>14850686
Don't crash it into any crowds of people.
