You have 10 seconds to explain why you haven't LS swapped your car yet.
Because it's a commuter car
Im not tasteless enough
Also general gen iii/iv discussion thread.
I'm in college and I don't have the time.
Also it's a 3G gaylude it's prefect how it is.
Slow as balls.
https://youtu.be/y6c02XQwk3c?t=23s
Because every single component of my car would have to be upgraded to take that much power.
Also I don't own a hoist or have a garage to work in.
>>14839588
My volvo is toasted, I'm going to fix it but In the mean time I'm looking for a camaro or something so I can save money on more horsepower. I'm looking at 3 grand CAD or so to get my volvo from 250 to 400 horse. You throw that kind of money at a 2nd gen 350 and you're looking at close to 5 or 6 hundred horse.
>LS swapped zx3
I mean, I know there's a 5.0 swap kit but has anyone done an LS yet?
It won't fit in a Jetta
>pigfat engine in a sub 900kg car
Why yes, I'll take one dose of ruined handling, thank you very much.
>>14839588
Because it's a ford
You're welcome to try.
And then make it through inspections.
>>14839684
>pigfat
All aluminium, single cam. It's the lightest you could possibly get for that displacement.
>>14839695
Chevy in a Ford is great to piss off purists though. Besides, LS' are the best option for a Foxbody.
>SBF isn't aluminium
>BBF is pigfat
>>14839706
Im almost finishing doing a swap into my S13.. on the scales the LS1 is LIGHTER then my KA-T... sure the long blocks wieght the same almost, but then you have to account the weight of the piping, the turbo, intercooler, etc.. that shit adds up and it sits right on the most front of the car.
If anything the car will handle BETTER.
Also, did I mention no matter what you do to a KA, it will never make almost 300tq at idle. The power and response of the V8 is unmatched.
![426hemidragpak_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kqOCqmh.jpg "426hemidragpak_1[1].jpg")
because the second and third gen hemi are better
>>14839706
a 302 ford engine with aluminium heads at max is 20 - 40 lbs heavier than an aluminium LS
>>14839588
I wish I could own a v8 but it wont fit :(
Because my car won't pass smog with it
>>14839806
Second gen Hemi is pigfat.
Third gen Hemi is superior in power and airflow, but is slightly heavier, are less available, and they're not available as alloy blocks. Then again, there's a reason the Hellcat is stronger than the LT4. If FCA'd just make them out of aluminium....
>>14839816
But ages behind the LS in the aftermarket.
My dad works for Toyota, he put this engine in for me and unlocked the ECU cheats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsW9lE3VoK8
>>14839835
>But ages behind the LS in the aftermarket.
u fucking wot
sure its inferior because its older, but it doesnt lack any aftermarket
>>14839835
>aftermarket
God forbid I have to think and build anything. I'd rather just read forums and buy everything.
>m-muh HP/L
Because my Coyote Five-Oh is a superior engine
>>14839972
Yet it's heavier, bigger and provides less horsepower than a similar LS.
Google penitraion pricing and market saturation.
Now you know why people buy these engines.
>>14839985
modulars > LS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NebNwwxs-9Y
>LS engines making 2500 hp on a stock crank And block
>running 5's
>ever
>>14839972
Because your coyote is an ubiquitous motor with cheap easy to find parts and is used wordlwide in land/sea/air applications?
>>14839588
Because the bores are too small, the oiling system is trash, and it doesn't fit a distributor.
If I'm buying something new it will be a Gen 3 hemi
>>14839996
Yeah, max HP for a few runs after a rebuild, thats what tells the potentional of an engine?
Go run your ford for 8 hours full throttle full power in a boat and get back to me on how much beating it can actually endure.
Theres a reason these motors last forever
>>14839996
>cherrypicking this hard
>>14840007
nice buzzwords
>>14840006
Hows the oiling system trash? even recently they switched to priority main oiling.
And distributer? LOL what is, the 1920s?
>>14840015
>mad
>>14839588
if I could afford to do that I would rather spend the money on a better car
>>14839588
>yurop
There.
>>14840021
Running the oil pump at crank speed is retarded
>>14840016
We're talking LS, not LT.
>>14840006
Bores are big enough. 4'' is enough for practical purposes, although you do need an aftermarket block to really get some cubes out of it.
Oiling is true.
Distributor a shit.
>>14839996
There's 1 Mod motor running 2500hp.
Meanwhile, Nelson is offering 2500hp crate engine packages. Basically production engines.
The only thing that Modular has going for it is a good set of tuners, the sturdiest internals ever offered on a Mod, and of course huge amount of luck. You cannot replicate those results.
>>14840007
Tell it to c7 owners fanboi
>>14840016
LT1 is not the LS you fucknut
>>14840039
I'm in the same boat. While it could technically be done, it would be such a bureaucratic nightmare that you would just give up.
>>14840045
>Nelson is offering 2500hp crate engine packages. Basically production engines
lol they dont use stock cranks or bores
>>14840053
LT4, not LT1.
>>14839588
Because I could get an aluminum block for my current v8 for less
LS is king
>>14840061
>implying anyone can replicate a 2500hp engine on stock internals
>>14840070
What V-ate?
>>14840075
did an LS ever power a plane? if so i have to see that in action.
>>14840075
Meme king
>>14840084
um, yeah lol, its more common then you think. Now go find me a ford/dodge powered plane.. Ill be waiting
plus they look pretty cool
>>14839706
Let me say it again, 850kg, that's less than 1900lbs in your system. In a car as light as this, the small 1.4 8v litre engine goes a long way, I have zero reason to swap an engine double the weight, and ruin the weight distribution even more.
>>14840114
Fuck, I meant 1.4 litre 8v.
>>14840096
>it's popular and that makes it good
![15288036908_9cbbc5dbfe_b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/18npnvA.jpg "15288036908_9cbbc5dbfe_b[1].jpg")
>>14840096
>>14840128
Its popular because a ford powered plane won't stay in the sky for very long
>>14840096
There are lots of planes with WV engines
Therefore vw>ls
Because LS swaps are for fags lmao
>>14840141
You know nothing, john sn/o/
![Engine2-S[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kDkysho.jpg "Engine2-S[1].jpg")
>>14840075
>spin a bearing, drop a valve, burn a piston, bend a pushrod, spin a cam roller
>catastrophic failure
>fall of the sky and die
pistons simply can't compete
Because me me I'm a Ford boy.
>>14840164
and here come the rotards
![IMG_0148[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NCPwxhk.jpg "IMG_0148[1].jpg")
>>14840139
>>14840161
GM fangirls absolutely BTFO
>>14840006 you can fit a distributor. Although I don't know why you'd want to...
>>14840171
kek, GM fangirl got his feelings hurt
Illegal
>>14840177
MUH KERBERERRTUR
MUH ELBOW GREASE
>>14840177
>LITERALLY on overpriced SBC
boomers are so dumb
>>14840197
Shares literally nothing with a sbc and can be had for $200 from a junkyard... but stay mad
>>14840211
except it shares quite a lot with the SBC which is why its called gen iii/gen iv small block
>can be had for $200
bad meme
>>14840197
Maybe a bit overpriced, but it is more powerful, has better airflow, and they're usually lighter due to being ally blocks.
>>148402ok inform me. What does an ls1 share with an old 350.
>>14840139
Fucking hell i had no idea Chysler use to be involved in that much stuff.
Makes me so sad to see what they turned into today.. wish i could go back in time and fix whatever went wrong and make them godly.
I feel like I should LS swap my r32, but I'd miss the RB sound
>>14840229
aftermarket SBC hads flow as good as some LS heads
>ls swap in a wrx wagon
>>14840249
Aftermarket LS heads outflow LS7 head outflow those aftermarket SBC heads outflow stock LS heads outflow stock SBC heads
>>14840245
Pu a 2JZ in it then.
>>14840255
>midmounted LS engine in a 2 seater wagon
Absolutely glorious.
>ls evo
No.
>>14840245
The RBs sound good, but they are fucking expensive to maintain and repair, huge JDM tax for everything, craptastic oiling system, and general 25 year old nissan problems.
Also doing lifter shims on a 26. fuck that shit.
>>14840241
the whole basic design?
thats why its called gen 3/4 small block
if you buy an LS engine and put a carb and a distro it is basically an overpriced SBC
>>14840245
>>14840255
>>14840267
>RWD LS swapping AWD Japenese performance cars
That is my fetish.
because my car already has an ls...
>>14840166
So were the designers of the ls
>>14839588
because why would i want an engine from the 1960s in my car?
>>14840287
Then put a better LS in it. You're not done untill you've got a boosted 427.
>>14840282
>my fetish is making cars slower
bad taste
>>14840294
What are you talking about? Did you mean to say that the designers of the LS stole from Ford's V8s?
>>14840282
and I thought stancefags were dumb
>>14840309
They were well inspired by the FE highriser
>>14840279
You literally know nothing about these engines. The block is completely different, the heads are completely different. It's called a gen III small block because it replaced the gen II. It was a clean slate design. They don't share a single component. You're retarded.
>>14840309
THE LS IS 100% FROM TOP TO BOTTOM A FORD ENGINE.
1. FORD FIRING ORDER.
2. FORD OILING SYSTEM.
3. FORD CROSS BOLT MAINS.
4. FORD COOLING SYSTEMS.
5. FORD 10 BOLT HEAD PATTERN.
6.FORD CENTERED THRUST BEARING.
7. FORD SYMMETRICAL INTAKE AND EXHAUST PORTS COMBINED WITH FORD 427 HIGH RISER PORTS.
8. SODIUM FILLED VALVES (FORD RACE VALVE).
9. BEEHIVE VALVE SPRINGS (FORD COSWORTH).
10. FORD ANGLED PLUG.
THE LS BLOCK IS A COPY OF THE 4.6 MODULAR WITH THICKER WEBBING.
>>14840309
THE LS ENGINE IS 100% A FORD ENGINE
>>14840341
Damn son I only knew about the firing order.
>>14840323
i never said they shared a single compotent you dumbass, lrn 2 read
>>14840341
The Citroën SM (Maserati-built engine if you don't know) had sodium-filled valves in the 70s. Is it really a Ford development?
>>14840349
>falling for pasta
>>14840341
>>14840348
I've seen this copypasta in the YouTube comment section dozens of times.
>>14840356
No you said putting a carb on it makes it basically an old sbc. You're still retarded
because 406
I did
>>14839695
http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/1404516-project-ls197.html
Thought about doing this in my mustang. Same year as mine.
>>14840363
>that image
It isn't wrong except for the fact Russia/Australia is just composed of retarded, bigoted alcoholics.
>>14840398
And the entirety of yurop is now filled with sandniggers.
>>14840361
The Ford cammer used them in the 60's
>>14839606
almost did this to my wifes focus but we got too good of a deal on trade in when she got her WRX
Because I know I have an averaged sized penis and I've accepted it.
because i dont need a high horsepower yet no power but super low mpg engine
Because I haven't sold my 427 yet
>>14840659
>selling a big block to get a small block
Shiggy.
>>14839588
Because everything in my pickup would have to be replaced, and the 22re does its job well enough.
>>14839588
I don't understand EFI. Coil packs look OK when they're reorganized or covered, but otherwise I like being able to take off my valve covers without having to move a nest a wires.
>>14840804
Its literally 5 minutes of work and a few 10mm bolts to remove them out of the way, ya lazy bastard
>>14840249
>aftermarket SBC heads
Those cost more than a whole LS engine.
>>14839588
I don't have a car
>>14839684
>pigfat
When will this shitty meme die?
Because it came with an ls3 from the factory. Will definitely swap to a bigger / forged aftermarket build when she comes apart from too much boost though.
>>14839588
I don't have something that I want to LS swap. Maybe someday if I get my hands on a 944 or a VL Commodore shell.
LS-swapping a functioning car feels wrong. Transplanting an LS engine into a lifeless shell is fine.
aw yiss
>>14839588
>You have 10 seconds to explain why you haven't LS swapped your car yet.
Mine came with an LS
>>14839588
1 - I'm buying a foxbody
2 - I like my car as it is
3 - LS swaps are overrated for the average enthusiast.
literal only reason I'd LS swap anything is an RX7 FD/FC or an RX8 because I don't feel like dealing with rotaries.
Even then, I'd rather have a turbo inline-6 over an LS.
>>14839588
I'm poor and can't afford one.
I6 life
>>14840366
because it basically is an SBC at that point
>>14840363
>don't go here
kek
>>14839588
The chrysler la block my truck already has is better suited to producing torque at low rpms used in most normal driving. The gains I'd make higher up aren't worth the hassles of a swap.
>>14839588
But my car is a LS1 from the factory m8
>>14840177
Given that's a race engine it probably has to do with some engine rules. Just like how all of Nascar was running carburetors until just recently
>>14839588
It's not legal for me to have an eight cylinder engine yet.
>>14839606
powersliding in a parking lot is not drifting
It wouldn't fit in my ep3, if i even wanted it in there.
>>14839588
Post yfw you realize the LSX 454 uses factory LS7 heads (same ones from the C6 Z06).
>>14840106
Does that head have double plugs?
I like the ls its bretty cool. but i dont want one in any of my cars, well maby in the fiero one day. but i like my 3800 alot
>>14839706
Piss off what purists? Every Ford guy from LA to NY has seen endless amounts of Ford cars with those bowtie boat anchors.
They aren't bad engines but its tiring to see the 1000th LS or SBC in a Ford. I get more excited when I see a hemi ffs.
Because swapping an ls engine into my Ranger would probably cost more than just being a new truck. All the fab work to make it fit, finding a new transmission, losing 4x4 most likely.
It would be fun sure but damn that's a lot of work.
Need more money
not done
>>14843446
no, LS heads are efficient enough to only use 1 flame front.(1plug)
these aren't shitty gen 3 Hemi heads.
>>14839835
This I recently stripped an early gen 3 and holy shit the ports were massive
>>14844490
Cutting hoses with hacksaw is pretty niggery.
>>14844507
Whoa now, the Hemi using plugs is onpy for emmisions reasons, not production. (Semi-) hemispherical heads offer massive amounts of airflow at the cost of some emmissions, and no enthousiast should care about the latter.
>>14846436
>Whoa now, the Hemi using TWO plugs is only for emmisions reasons, not POWER production.
Am yurop
I did
Too overdone, so I'm gonna build my stock engine.
>>14844507
You don't know how dual spark engines work, do you.
>>14839588
I'm a university student with no engine hoist and not enough shekels to pay someone who does.
Besides, my car already has a V8, good enough.
because a 351w is a better and cheaper choice for a foxbody
>>14847540
>cheaper
You are out of your mind.
>>14847553
nigga 351 windsors are a dime a a dozen and it doesnt require shitloads of fucking around with mounts and wiring to fit.
>>14847553
>le you can find an LS for $25 dollars meme
>>14839588
Because LS engine is pretty likely to be longer than my car's bonnet. Plus it would take a bunch of Volvo S80 engineers to figure how to mount a fuck huge V8 transversely into a Clio.
>>14839588
Its over done and I like the original block. It doesn't need the power an LS can pump out to be fun. Also ruins the weight distribution.
>>14839684
>modern LS is lighter then your 90's shitbox 4
Cause 440 big block nigga
![CotaACR2_zpsb98o0pl9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PqU7QAQ.jpg "CotaACR2_zpsb98o0pl9[1].jpg")
>>14846450
>>14844507
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/ccrp-1210-inside-the-g3-hemi-cylinder-head/
http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iv-internal-engine/1321255-ls3-head-flow-stock-ported.html
>hemi apache heads
>312 cfm at .400 and 339 at .700
>ls3 heads
>231 cfm at .400 and 327 at .650
GM cucks being wrong as usual
LS a shit
>>14848000
Is that the camper you finally settled on?
>>14847920
>being this delusional
>>14839588
because they have a shit power-band, which is suitable for a truck, but has absolutely not place in a performance-oriented vehicle.
not to mention fucking pushrods, overheating issues, and lord knows whatever the fuck is wrong with them.
shit, buying an american engine is retarded enough, buying a Chevrolet engine? now you're just proving how little you actually know about cars.
Because my car came with the motor touched by God.
Because 6 ominous digits.
S54B32
>>14847800
It'd just take the engineers who put that DOHC V6 in the back of the Clio.
>>14840282
>ruining a superior driver train configuration
>>14839588
>europoor student
>doing a LS swap on a fwd 70hp 1.8 turbo diesel ford escort wagon
>>14839588
I don't like having power and bad mpg always.
>>14840185
Not illegal just very expensive if you sok to the biltilsynet first. Also you have to upgrade the brakes and all kinds of stuff.
>source
I used to work with one of the owners of a tuning shop, weirdly he worked for the municipality, where he usually just stood around milling turbos using the lathe.
>pic related 975hp Lexus IS250
>>14851375
>bad mpg
With a good manual gearbox, and cilinder deactivation enabled, LS engines can get near 30mpg. More if you baby them. Same goes for most modern V-ates.
Because I already have
Because I have a more interesting engine. Fuck power only.
>>14851271
You're better off with a V12, yeah.
![fiat_126_with_twin_turbo_v8_02-1024x764[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/j7pzywu.jpg "fiat_126_with_twin_turbo_v8_02-1024x764[1].jpg")
>>14851271
Anon please.
>>14852047
Pff...
>>14840161
>comparing a radial engine designed for aviation to an off the shelf engine designed for cars.
>>14852278
hon?
>>14839742
My Man
>>14839588
because...
>pic related
I don't know but I bought a shiny chrome air cleaner for my bone stock 305.
>>14839588
>NA subaru
I'd rather keep it AWD, and a WRX swap (which I'm in the parts collecting stage of) is much easier and almost bolt-on.
>>14839588
it's a ford 351....I don't feel the need.
>>14839588
Can't afford it
I don't have the money for it, or the skill.
>>14839742
Post some photos anon
>>14839588
>california
i might end up geting a vg30dett for the 300zx just so i dont deal with all the bull shit and its half the cost
>>14839588
Mate I already asked my bus driver but he said no.
>>14839588
I can't fit a 5.7 V8 and T56 tranny in my Accord, the 3.0 barely fits to begin with.
