>get to a stop sign at the top of a hill
>shift to R instead of first
>vehicular manslaughter
Why the FUCK does this pattern exist?
Champ, you usually have to get past the lockout to achieve reverse. In older VWs, you push down, then over...
>>14818518
Because people aren't illiterate retards like you, OP
>>14818518
How would you shift into R accidentally? I have that shift pattern, never happened, not even close. R requires more force and moving it a lot more sideways.
>>14818518
any good manual has some kind of failsafe for this. in my golf gti you had to push the shifter downwards and then put it into R. in my mustang you have to pull up on the shifters scrotum and then shift into first.
it's just so much safer that way.
>>14818518
Yeah, that never happened unless you have a faulty stick. If you want to shift into R, you have to pull up your shifter a bit to shift into reverse, otherwise you're shifting into 1st gear.
0/10, try harder.
>>14818518
Cars with these shift patterns don't just effortlessly slip into reverse.
There's usually some sort of resistance like pushing down/ pulling up shift knob or having to push harder to the left. Feels completely different from the forward gears.
OP has never driven a manual.
Gay ass shift pattern
Dog Leg master race
>>14818604
>only 5 forward gears
>master race
pick one
>hurr id loogs lige dis on de knob so id might happen fug manuel
Simply put, you can't just shift into R without either lifting it or pressing it down in other cars.
OP confirmed for never having driven a manual car in his life before.
>>14818535
>>14818559
>>14818571
>>14818584
>>14818595
>>14818613
My car is older and the only "failsafe" is pushing it further left than normal. There's no pressing down or anything.
My car has a gate that blocks the reverse gear unless you're at a complete stop. Even then you have to pus pretty hard to bypass the gate and get it into gear.
>>14818638
wut car
Superior manual shift pattern incoming
>>14818610
>>only 5 forward gears
>>master race
>pick one
Not that guy, but that is an Italian shift pattern, so it is master race. Looks like a 308GTi/GTS - 328GTS.
>>14818638
Then learn to operate your equipment, anon. Stop being such a puss.
>>14818674
>anything italian
>master race
go to bed Luigo
>>14818571
>the shifters scrotum
>>14818685
>Not appreciating that quick gear change between 2nd and 3rd.
Go to bed Jim-Bob.
>>14818651
E21
>>14818684
I just bought it yesterday :3
Still getting used to it, but a mistake even 1 in 100,000 shifts can fuck you. Haven't you ever accidentally shifted to 3rd instead of 1st? You immediately corrected it, but imagine how much worse it'd be to accidentally shift to reverse instead of first in a situation. A microsecond is enough to hit a car behind you
>>14818518
Because most people aren't as stupid as you
>>14818518
Why the fuck did you go up and over instead of just up you retard.
>>14818685
>>anything italian
>>master race
>go to bed Luigo
Think road courses, not 0-60...
>>14818762
I'm thinking of your mum
>>14818610
>needing more than 5 gears
>not appreciating sweet, blipped, 3-2 downshifts
>posting in a thread about manual transmissions anyway
>>14818725
I drove my fathers E21 before he sold it, I understand your pain. There was only minimal resistance when going to R and I would always worry about accidentally putting it in R, but somehow never did... I love BMWs but this system is shit. I have driven the new 1 series and the X1 as rental cars and there was definitely more resistance when shifting to R, but I can see how the that mechanism would wear down with age and how it might become a problem.
>>14818762
I'm thinking of how much of a failure almost everything they've ever made has been aside from super cars. I'm thinking of all the Fiats that break down before they even leave the dealership.
>>14818724
>>14818801
What's with this 2-3, 3-2 shift you're getting so special about?
>implying it isn't just as smooth with a Japanese 6 speed
>>14818822
>I'm thinking of how much of a failure almost everything they've ever made has been aside from super cars. I'm thinking of all the Fiats that break down before they even leave the dealership.
You sound bitter. Bad experience anon, or are you just parroting urban lore?
i always get scared when downshifting from 5 to 4 that i will somehow miss the gear and either shift to reverse or 1st gear. Fortunately my shitbox rarely ever makes enough speed to shift to 5th gear so im safe
>>14818769
>I'm thinking of your mum
Are u 11 or 12?
>>14818862
>reliability by country
Japan-1
France-2
S Korea-3
USA-4
Sweden-5
Germany-6
Italy-7
UK-8
>>14818870
Reverse is unsynced, usually.
>>14818890
>France-2
>>14818638
My car has no failsafe other than annoying beeping when it's in reverse. It's a 2005 BTW.
>>14818670
This.
>>14818890
Maybe it's time to shift to Automatic?
>1996+1+2+3+4+5+6+R
>still falling for the h-pattern meme
>>14819161
>D
>>14819161
>?
>>14818638
You still have to push 3 to 5 times as hard to get into R.
>>14818604
Except hardly any manufactures use that shift pattern at all.
There are literally under 50 known production cars that came equipped with dog leg transmissions, excluding trucks.
"nostalgic" /o/ hipsters strike again.
>>14820460
Did you pick that up from 9gag, faggot?
>>14818685
Just think how this little country has managed to carve a name for itself worldwide as contiguous with motorsports. What other country exists on earth where you hear it's name and think of not only car but motorcycles and not only incredible designs but incredible performance as well. It's very impressive and passionate.
>>14819419
Works pretty well on cars you don't use 1st in much
>>14818670
>be on highway
>go for 6th
>its reverse
>pay $5000 for a new gearbox
no thankyou
>>14820615
Ducati's are shit.
>>14820636
You have to push down really hard to get into reverse and even then synchros won't let you.
>>14820636
>your 1 liter shitbox needs 6º gear to archieve any decent speed
>>14818870
I'm a bit anxious about missing 4th and shifting second, doesn't help the shifter feels like it's filled with gravel
>>14818670
must make point turns and J turns fun
>>14820668
what does this even mean
>>14820658
reverse isnt synchronized for this very same reason
if you try to shift into reverse from 5th you'll just grind the gears. Its impossible to engage.
The 4 speed in my Capri has reverse over there. I agree it's pretty weird.
Come on now...
>>14818638
It's definitely not because it's older. Drove a 70s vw bus that had a push down lock out
>>14818890
More like
Germany - 1
Sweden - 2
Japan - 3
Korea - 4
USA - 5
Italy - 6
France -7
UK - 8
>>14820890
KILL ME
>>14819161
>Q
>>14822228
>UK - 8
more like
UK - just nah m8
even though this happens to me sometimes, it's still my preferred layout
>>14820890
>4th to 5t
>8th to 9th
No.
>>14818670
this shift pattern is for the mentally defective
>>14823169
Usually when you're trying to bait, you'd at least provide an arguable reason as to why you see it that way. Otherwise, it's transparent.
>>14822228
>Germany-1
Hahahaha you're delusional.
>>14818604
MK1 Ford Fiestas had 4 speeds gearboxes with the same layout, but if you wanted to go in R Gear, you had to push down the stick and then pass the the gear.
Never seen that anywhere else.
>>14818518
Shift into 2 then immediately straight up into 1.
Thank me later.
>>14818670
This is the correct answer.
>>14818518
there's a blocking system so you can't shift into reverse whithout triggering it on purpose
>>14818725
that's your fault for being bmw masterrace
>>14823426
To get in reverse for old 4 speed you just push it more left, the only lockout was the fact that back then people weren't retarded.
i don't like this pattern, but all the cars i've driven with it (e39 was the oldest) you had to push the stick WAY over to the left to ever get reverse.
>>14819091
>gmc up near top
>ram above average even though >chrysler
The one thing we do well is trucks i guess. Murica
>>14818638
>>14818725
e34 same, not a problem at all
>>14820636
Mine has a gate between 5th and R that doesn't open until you go back to the middle of neutral
>>14818610
>5
>not realising 5th is overdrive
Lol just pretending are we?
>>14820636
You cant even go for reverse in those speeds.
You can try, all you will feel is how the gears grind on your stick
>>14823650
No full size pickups are manufactured in Usa
>>14823734
How do you define manufacturing?
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-most-american-trucks-for-2015.html
https://www.american.edu/kogod/autoindex/2015.cfm
I will give you the Tundra has more US sourced content then many of its competitors, which is hilarious, and that a few undergo final assembly in Mexico, but most of the trucks are built in the USA
see the Flint plant here
http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-manufacturing/
See the Dearborn, and Kentucky plants here
https://corporate.ford.com/company/operation-list.html#s1f0
and for Chrysler see...uh...well here
http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=9117&mid=1
We certainly engineer and design them for better or worse (usually worse lmao)
lel even bmw makes their trucks here:
https://www.bmwusfactory.com/manufacturing/factory-products/plant-spartanburg-vehicle-models/
>>14820636
wanna know how i know you've never driven stick
reverse takes a very deliberate effort to slip into, and even then it will NOT go into gear unless you're stationary or close to it
>>14818670
Had an old fiat sedan with 4 on the column in this pattern. When you went to reverse you's smash your knuckles into the instrument cluster.
>>14824264
>he doesn't bitch about the fact that 6 speed gearboxes can cost less than $3000 new
>>14823122
Okay more like
Danish - 8
Chinese - 9
Russian - 10
Yugoslavian - 11
Indian - 12
British - 13
True master race here.
>>14819189
>not having drive on your manual
>>14820636
>>go for 6th
>>its reverse
how is that supposed to happen m8
>>14824720
What the fuck, explain
>>14818518
Jesus fuck how could you make that mistake? Either you pull up or push down to engage R from Neutral, and you'd feel it click in your hand.
>complains about manual
>doesn't know how to drive manual
Troll harder OP.
>>14824779
Ford being retarded.
>>14824702
Fuckin groce
>>14824799
>hasn't driven classic cars
Some old gearboxes had no lockout for reverse noob.
>>14824799
>>14824975
i had a car built in '85 that still had a dogleg reverse and no fancy "pulling/pushing" weirdness.
>>14818670
5-speed master race
>>14824779
They marketed it as being "4-speed with overdrive" because it sounded more attractive to buyers than just "5-speed"
Why do you need to shift into first when the cars moving at all? If you stall at second you've either got an absolute shitbox or you're a terrible driver.
>>14824983
The late 90s driving school lancer coupe that I learned in just had a dog leg as well.
>>14820668
Autotragic driver detected
>>14818571
In both my 1996 MK3 Cabrio and my 2010 MK5 Jetta this is the case.
tl;dr: OP is a faggot
>>14824799
Who is this semen demon?
>>14818518
Hahahahhhha! You actually think they didn't put a mechanism to prevent you from doing that? If not you have a shitty car.
>>14820668
back to facebook with you
>>14824702
For 6th gear
I dunno what cars with 5 forward gears have that but a lot of them with 6 do
>>14824779
Overdrive.
>>14818725
You have to legitimately shove the stick to get it to go into reverse in my e28. Wouldn't think it'd be any different in an e21, but idk
>>14818518
5th into R is probably a lot worse
>>14818670
This is my favorite pattern. Mostly because it's even.
>>14824720
>L
Is it 'low gear'?
>>14832108
For hill starts or hauling heavy loads.
