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>yfw the model 3 gets a sport trim
>same 762hp motors from the p90d
how could gassers compete?
Just in range?
>>14762046
>lcd-screen from the early 2000's on the dash
>put spoiler on the rear end
>it's a sport car now!
>>14762152
Every Civic coupe owner ever
>>14762152
can you not see all the other changes?
Why is everyone hatin' on this new Mazda 3?
>>14762168
where do you think you are?
>>14762152
>762hp
>not a sports car
>>14762046
>m2 wont get m3/m4 engine
>ats-v doesnt get cts-v engine
>rs3 wont get rs4 engine
and so on and so on, they won't step on the toes of the model s so don't worry this will never happen
Can you apply a turbo, with modifications, into an electric car
![hyj9aqjjykwom3bi2vt0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Z6gTClT.jpg "hyj9aqjjykwom3bi2vt0[1].jpg")
>>14762179
so this is more of a sports car than an elise now?
>>14762198
>Implying the Model S isn't going to get any kind of a bump in power between now and the Model 3's release.
>Confirmed dual motor version of the Model 3
>>14762202
No.
>>14762208
How can something be "more of a sportscar" than something else? Either something is or is not a sports car.
>>14762168
You mean the shitty wheels that make it handle like shit and poorly designed aero?
Not to mention this is some electraboos rendering and not something from tesla itself.
>>14762202
do you even know what a turbo is
>>14762256
>they're rotas, trust me
>>14762257
Nah lol got a iPhone instead ;)
>>14762046
They don't look like shit.
>>14762257
It's something that makes a car go faster when you want it to
Except it can't because the 90kWh battery and second motor won't fit
>>14762447
The test drives at the press event were done in dual motor Model 3s.
>>14762208
they are both sports car, dumb cuck
>>14762444
>makes a car go faster when you want it to
>when you want it to
nice way to waste those trips
>>14762046
By actually building cars and delivering them to customers.
>>14762444
Thats a supercharger m8
>>14762474
a car going fast when you don't want it to is not a good thing
>>14762152
LMFAO!! The design will still be shit!!
>>14762463
Hellcats are muscle cars
>>14762539
>muscle cars are not sport cars
kys
>>14762046
>>same 762hp motors from the p90d
>>14762902
>They are distinct from two-seat sports cars
citation: wikipedia article on muscle cars
>>14762902
>>14762463
>muscle cars are sports cars
Did I get lost and wind up in the "shit normies say" thread
>>14763040
>>14763066
>get a "muscle car" insured
>type of car: sports coupe
keep sperging
>>14763106
>buying a mustang
kek
>>14763137
>camaros and challengers get insured under the sports coupe category
kek, you really don't have a clue
>>14763141
Prove it, faggot
>>14763106
>sports coupe = sports car
Hyundai Tiburon: sports car
Honda Civic SI: sports car
1967 pontiac GTO: sports car
See why you're stupid now?
>>14762046
762 HP, yet slower than a Fiesta ST over 60mph.
I suppose it's fine for non car people who want to think their car is fast.
>>14762170
This post hit me right in the balls.
>Be hype as fuck for the Model 3
>turns out to be just like my Mazda 3
fml
>>14763243
I'm being stupid, what do you mean?
>>14762170
Eletric mazda 3........hmmmm.
>>14763826
pic related
>>14762046
>waste billions in R&D for """long range""" electric cars, rather than investing in cleaner fuels such as e85 and LPG
Murica confirmed for MONEY > LIFE
The sports version will be the exact same car, only the tablet will have an app that makes vroom vroom engine noises when it drives you.
>>14763178
>>14763159
http://www.carinsurancecompanies.com/are-camaros-expensive-to-insure/
>The Chevy Camaro is considered a sports car
http://www.carinsurancecomparison.com/how-do-auto-insurance-companies-define-sports-cars
>shitload of "muscle cars"listed under sports cars
now eat my shit, you pair of dumb faggots
if you know any guy that owns any modern "muscle" car that isn't a v6, ask them if their car is registered as a sport car by the insurance company
>b-but muh wiki edited by baby boomers with special snowflake syndrome
>b-but muh "mussle kar" term
kek, BTFO
>>14765931
E85 is farmer welfare and worse for the environment.
>>14766135
And muh carbs.
>>14762046
Probably still costs 100K in ausfailia.
>>14766050
The Autopilot setting is 2.5 mph faster than the normal version.
>>14766466
Because our government doesn't want to give rich fags 50% of tax payer money as an incentive to buy overpriced unreliable shit vehicles?
What's the problem?
>>14766466
>>14765931
it's hydrogen or nothing
>>14762046
If it does, it'll cost like $85k. Reminder that even though the Model S starts at $70k, remember with just the P90D option, you're looking at around $100k.
The more the gassers struggle, the harder I get.
>>14767304
>that pic
oh my god
>how could gassers compete?
When I stop for gas after 380 miles, spend 15 minutes refueling, and keep going.
>mfw Tesla can only make cars with a fast 0-60 time
>mfw right at 60 mph the Tesla's engine shits itself
>>14767207
>>14767358
It has reduction gears
but I do not recall if it has more than one ratio
some systems use a second coil in the motor for higher speed
Who the fuck cares. Can't make glorious engine noises
>>14766089
A friend's V6 Charger is insured as a sports car.
>>14764260
Why does the power and torque taper off like that?
>>14767508
that's just how motors work m8
>>14762202
In theory electric cars are easier to mod than gasoline cars... Tesla sells a "Ludicrous mode" upgrade for $10K. This just upgrades the fuse from 1300Watts to 1500Watts, and re-programs the ESC (electric motor equivalent of an ECU). No reason aftermarket shops can't do the same.
Unlike a gasoline car where a turbo has to make boost, electricity naturally wants to flow and the ESC acts as a gate to restrict current. Manufacturers limit current to levels well within the battery and motor's tolerances to minimize warranty repairs. If you don't care about a warranty, you can short out the fuse and re-program the ECU to "open the floodgates" and generate 1,000hp... for perhaps one dyno run until it burns up. It's like strapping a huge turbo onto a Civic and generating 1,000 for one dyno run until the engine throws a rod. The difference is turbos are expensive which prevents most idiots from blowing up their engines, but if ESCs are as easy to reprogram as ECUs, lots more idiots will end up blowing up their cars.
>>14762529
Not wanting a car to gonfast is the real problem
>>14762152
by american standards everything that moves fast in a straight line is a sports car.
Americans literally race each other by putting their foot down and watching their cars accelerate. It's probably convenient because you can just count up your horsepowers and litres and benchrace each other.
>>14767724
we've also got thousands of miles of nice straight highway
euro's have fun curvy roads
Did they say when part 2 of the unveil is?
>>14764260
Oh Jesus!
So just as all that wind resistance builds up you have fuck all torque to keep accelerating.
I'm sure everyone wants a sports car that cant over take at anything faster than walking pace.
>normies buying the model 3 end up oversteered into so many trees theres a forced update capping the power
>>14767724
And automatic transmission is a must in american sports cars.
>Petal to the metal
>deplete entire battery 3 miles down the road
They start from a roll instead of a dig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SRHxcpG6I
450hp M4 beating 700hp P85D
GG.
>>14768963
top kek
>>14762046
>"""""""""762 hp""""""""
About 500 in real car hp
>>14768963
>probably drained half the battery just from this one run
>>14767783
Fuck that. How am I gon race billy bob on a roll with all of those pesky corners
>>14768921
A Model S P90 will still do 155mph, no worries.
>>14769261
For 5 seconds..
>>14768963
Holy shit there are some retarded kids in the comments
>negative power curve
real sporty
>>14769338
Musk dick riders are pretty bad.
You point out valid complaints and they reply with "b-b-b-but it's the future."
Reminds me of Berntards.
>>14769574
bernvictims*
>>14762046
TFW A P85D CANNOT GO 200
>>14769617
P85 maxes out at 130mph.
P90D maxes out at 155mph.
A Charger SRT can hit 175mph with only 470hp.
>>14769261
>>14769617
>>14769668
Seriously though it's only because these cars use a single speed transmission.
If you have a "700hp" electirc motor and you have a multipseed transmission that allows you to place motor speed at which peak horsepower produced at around the peak vehicle speed for that amount of power top speed would be much higher and you wouldn't experience the significant drops offs of acceleraton as speeds increased.
For instance with a correctly ratios multi speed transmission the Model S could likely easily hit 170-200mph. But multi speed transmissions introduce inefficiencies and weight for only a real net gain outside of the cars design envelope.
Not only that, but designing a multi-gear transmission strong enough to deal with the kind of torque that these motors produce without being excessively heavy or expensive is a feat unto itself.
Then add in the fact that these cars have multiple motors driving different axles, meaning either you convert it back to a more conventional drivetrain layout (motors powering a transmission then distributing the drive to each wheel like a modern ICE 4 wheel drive vehicle, i.e. very inefficiently) or you introduce multiple synchronized transmissions for each motor (lel yea right)
Basically it's a trade off. If you want efficiency and 4 wheel drive you use single speed drive with motors at the wheels/axles. This means you are hamstringing yourself at higher speeds but that's part of the game.
>>14769762
you have to consider that while the motors might be able to produce 700hp the batteries can only support them with enough power for about 500 at max
>>14769785
Depends on the duty cycle, their cooling, the quality of the wiring, etc.
Everything in engineering is a series of trade offs. Elon could design a bullet proof electrical system to possibly put out "700hp" until the battery is flat. But at the same time he's not trying to sell a $300,000 luxury economy car built for a design goal (driving around making a consistent "700hp") that it will never be used for.
The drive system of these cars is built to a standard. Within that standard they are trying to eek out as much performance as they can with these "insanity" modes and what not for the significant publicity they generate via viral marketing. At the same time they are not going to give the end user so much performance that it starts cooking batteries, motors, speed controllers, etc.
This is all beside my original point. That being these cars are not limited in top speed BECAUSE they use electric motors. but because of the design of their powertrain.
If these motors use a single speed drive and make peak power at 60mph and it falls off after that theya re going to have lackluster top speeds.
If they had multispeed transmissions that put their top speed at near their peak horsepower motor speed (just like every ICE car out there) they would have significantly higher top speeds, especially with the sort of aerodynamics these cars are built with.
>>14769840
yeah i got that and agree, but the fact that they are down about 200hp from what they claim doenst help with top speed either
>>14769762
So you throw in a race tranny. That's more moving parts and the price is going to become more expensive. There's also more wear and tear on the car.
And like you said, you have to go with a conventional drivetrain which bottlenecks the POWAH or you include multiple synced trannies.... and that's even more moving parts, more expenses, and more weight.
At the end of the day, it'll be a $200,000 car with a curb weight of a fully loaded F350.
Braking and handling is going to be noooootriously bad with that extra weight.
>>14769877
just limit torque. much easier.
>>14769865
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/10/does-the-tesla-model-s-p85d-really-have-691-hp-.html
>>14769877
There is nothing stopping them from producing a RWD 1000whp motor (or multi motor setup) with a multi speed transmission in the back of a Model S with a significantly beefeed up electrical system and then sending it out to hit 230mph for 15 seconds in a magazine test.
But then what real mileage have you gotten out of all that R&D cost? None of the buyers are going to get any mileage out of that 230mph capability and any publicity it generates will not be that significant compared to the videos of people taking off in "insanity mode" and having their cell phone fly off the dash and smack them in the face. And in the end this 230mph Tesla will have less real world range and be slower to "real world speeds" than the current P90D's.
Basically there is no need for a Tesla to go faster than 155mph. People criticizing them for not going faster are completely ignorant of the engineering and business forces involved. It's all just pure internet bench racing about stats that literally do not matter.
>>14769934
True. There are speed limits but there is also reckless driving. There is no set acceleration limit but if a cop thinks you are racing or doing "burnouts" he will pull you over and ticket you as much as someone flying on the highway at night.
And even if they approved your 230mph Tesla, it still won't lap the Ring....
These are all hypothetical but at the end of the day, I think guzzoline is a lot more efficient, practical, and reliable. It's also the best bang for your buck.
Compare a GTR to the new NSX. I honestly expected more out of the NSX. I know they are doing some postmarket surveillance right now and in a few years will open up the electric motors and turbos but for right now, its not that exciting as the competition.
>>14763066
>burnouts for distance isn't a sport
>turn car on
>effective range 4 miles
>>14762046
It would be fucking beautiful.
>>14770071
is a car a athlete?
>>14762046
A man can only dream.
>>14765931
"clean fuels"
dude you must be retarded to believe that those can scale to everyone.
Jesus Christ this thread is full of retards
>>14764260
top kek
>>14768963
> Car using new tech made by 12 yo company can't compete with highly developed tech made by 100 yo auto giant
Should Ford have stopped just because horses could run circles (literally) around his cars?
It's time to stop the denial. Look on the bright side, in a few years we're going to see Star Wars pod racing level speeds. That's going to be much more enjoyable than the current boring auto racing.
>>14762046
>how could gassers compete?
By being better for the environment.
>>14767508
Electric motors are only useful over a relatively small RPM range, hence the use of gearboxes in serious electric drivetrains.
>>14773451
Which is still enough range to cover all legal speeds.
Only bench-racers care about top-end speed. 95% of the population rarely exceeds 85mph.
>>14762046
by being able to drive hard for more that 20 minutes?
and/or not instantly catching on fire?
>>14767333
Yeah, for that really rare road trip.
>inb4 you really do have that shitty commute
>>14773755
>Only bench-racers care about top-end speed.
Shitpost-o-meter breaking post there man. 10/10 for ass fagatory.
>>14762046
>M-MM-MUH BENCHRACING
>HURRRR
Could you faggots stop for second?
I actually couldn't care less about how sporty this toaster could become, or any other toaster.
No matter haw fast it will get, it won't beat a loud v8 with a manual tranny, because there is no challange in riding a tesla.
I want electric cars to be cheap, super easy to maintain and overall comfy and good looking dd's. Thus i'd never buy a tesla, and wait 10 years, until competition sets in and decent looking models appear on the market.
>>14774133
Oh god, my engrish tho.
>>14773810
>by being able to drive hard for more that 20 minutes?
>and/or not instantly catching on fire?
Ferraris can't do that either.
Mario always forgets something during construction. So they catch fire the minute you try to track it.
>>14768963
I read that Tesla took back their 700 HP rating and changed it to the proper number (around 450 HP)
>>14774143
IDK, they have a series with factory race cars and they seem to have little reliability or catching on fire problems
