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Why is nobody here camping out for a Model 3 tomorrow?
we dont like ur kind 'round these parts
>>14747212
-A 200-300 mile range doesn't make it practical for my life, come back and talk to me when we get to 500 miles
-I don't like the interior of any Tesla so far produced
-No charging infrastructure in North Carolina to speak of
-Have no need for one
I'll reserve completing shit canning the interior on the Model 3 till I see one in person, but I expect to be disappointed. The interior quality on the sedan is waaaaaaay below the price point of the car
because if i want a battery powered car ill stop by toys r us.
in my straight piped v8.
>negative power curve
>>14747240
There has to be a charging station in Raleigh, our liberal hipster capital.
I see so many Teslas around the area. Where dafuq are they charging them?
it really hinges on if it looks good and the performance of the base model
>>14747240
I've seen 3 Teslas over here in Asheville and Boone.
I don't know how the fuck they can stand it.
>>14747273
>>14747297
To be fair, I have seen a few in Raleigh. Shit one of the public pools my wife used to lifeguard at had a couple.
And I have seen a few on the UNC main campus in Chapel Hill
But in so far as the owners I have talked to, they all charge them at home, because they never have to drive them farther than the factory range on one charge. I can't even imagine using one of those things in Boone....
>>14747240
I respect your opinion, but there are rumors of options exceeding 300 miles, which is not far off from my own sedan, and there are the usual charging solutions around your state and of course at your home. Even if it's not cost effective yet it is still intriguing.
>>14747315
My Mother/Father in law have a farm in Boone that I have to visit somewhat on the regular, and that's about 180 miles one way, so that trip is what I always use as a measuring stick with electric cars.
If I could get there and back comfortably on one charge, I would consider it 'practical' for me and my lifestyle. Granted I know I could always set up a charger at home (which is what at the owners I have ever talked to did).
If the Model 3 could produce an option with a ~350 mile range, I would at the very least give it due consideration. Again, the interior just hasn't ever done it for me (And again, that's a personal tick more than anything else), but god damn you can't get around the performance.
Really want an EV and the Model 3's price point and tax credit makes it really attractive, but range anxiety and uncertainty whether or not the next time I move I'll even have a garage to charge in gets the better of me.
Also, kind-of curious what kind of range a 2012 Model S gets after 4 years of regular charging.
when are they going to stop fucking around and make a GT car?
im really tired of this angry face trend
not buying a new car until there's one without some pissy bitch face
inb4 ugly like the X
>>14747212
I like that Tesla, despite being an Electric car Manufacturer and a kind-of meme'y one at that. they make their cars relatively normal looking and not all "tron-legacy" looking like some other EV cars (cough bmw I8 and I3 cough)
That's all i ever wanted from Electric cars was an Electric car that just looks normal and not like something out of a futuristic cartoon. i hope to god they stay this way in their designs.
>>14747338
Do your mother and father in law not have electricity at their farm? I don't want to convince you of a Tesla, I'm just asking why you consider it an argument.
>>14747457
the model S was that but the model X front fascia is going in the wrong direction, it's too minimalist and weird
>>14747536
The S's faux grille was one of the few things that turned me off about them, but then the X came out and made me realize the alternative can look way worse.
It'll be a real problem going forward for EVs. Closely mimic fossil fuel cars or let form follow function and risk looking weird?
>>14747417
>implying you would buy a new car anyway
>>14747338
>~350 mile range
Just get rental for that 2 or 3 times a year that you need such a range.
I don't feel that a Tesla is a car you own, as much as rent.
It's too similar to current phones and software in that way. If they open-sourced their software, I'd consider it.
>>14747212
iphone of the cars
>Shit range
>Still takes far too long to charge (hurr battery wrecking supercharge)
>Literally zero user serviceable parts
>Fanbase is autistic hipster vegans
I'm waiting for a company that isn't Tesla to start making cheap, good electric cars. Cause the Tesla fanbase is fucking cancerous
>camping out for a Model 3
I know you're trolling but I hate that cars are slowly becoming another iGadget.
>>14747415
When are they gonna stop fucking around and make a wagon?
>>14747415
A basic requirement for a GT car is to be able to travel long distances, something Tesla is struggling with.
They can only make glorified commuters.
>>14747240
This. It's an awesome vehicle but if you drive heavily every day it's not a viable option. The E-class, A6 and 5 series (soon the S90 & Continental too) have far nicer interiors at a lower price point too.
I understand that some like the clean simple interior design of the Model S but despite their strong sales they're missing out on the large conservative traditional luxury buyer segment who find it overly sterile to the point that it's boring.
I feel like I'm just sitting in a moving Ikea furnished apartment sitting in one, though the build quality is definitely better than Ikea. My dad was looking into a 70D, but is leaning towards an E300 because of the interior.
>>14747212
Can we all just appreciate the fact that it doesn't have a fish mouth?
Hopefully the meme power of this car will start influencing sedans from other companies.
>>14747338
>performance
Tesla's are slow as shit at anything above 60mph.
>>14747212
>tfw i could afford a model 3 but have nowhere to charge it
it hurts
>>14748161
One thing worth considering is that the long-term costs of an EV are much lower than a regular car because of far fewer moving parts and the much lower price of grid power compared to gas.
>>14748697
>being able to afford a Tesla
>actually wanting a Tesla
>>14747212
>money
>location
>practicality
>>14748697
>tfw could afford a model 3 and have a place to charge it but really want to get a used fiat 124 abarth and tune the nuts off it
>>14748857
Literally just an MX-5
>>14748877
>factory turbo with 230whp potential or even higher
>pretty spacious engine bay for better intake/exhaust geometry and larger intercooler swaps
>factory brembo fronts
>factory improved suspension
>looks p cool too
>>14748697
>"I can afford a model 3"
>doesn't have a garage/secure carport
No, you can't. Part of "affording a car" is being able to afford the maintenance and/or having the means to properly maintain it. For electric cars, that means having the ability to charge it securely. Can't charge it securely? Then you can't afford it.
>>14747272
All cars have a negative power curve relative to speed you retard. That's what gearing does.
>>14748193
>slow as shit
>0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds
>top speed of 155
How anon?
>>14748981
>He said they're slow above 60
>Better rebut him by posting the 0-60 time!
>>14748988
Yes, but a top speed of 155 is not slow. It's not like the thing maxes at 60. 400hp on a car with one gear. What is slow about that?
>>14748953
Electric cars generally have a flat power curve but decreasing torque as rpm increases. Internal combustion engines generally have a flat torque curve and increasing power as rpm increases.
>>14747212
it looks like a chinese copy of buick regal/opel insignia
>>14747212
They take reservations online.
>>14749574
in-store reservations started this morning, online reservations start tonight after the unveiling.
>people actually pre-ordered a car they haven't even seen yet
>>14749654
So?
back in 1995 thousands of people preordered bmw Z3's right after seeing goldeneye, despite not having driven or seen the car in person
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model X
S 3 X ?
>>14747212
because real men drive trucks
>>14749699
He wanted to call it the Model E actually
>>14749718
yes, you metrosexual liberal faggot
>>14749654
Lock in those tax credits. That is $7,500 that is not going to the US Treasury.
>>14749718
Numales put on suits and get in diesel Audis or Teslas and drive through surburban/urban environments to work as a wage cuck in an office.
Men who do real work for themselves drive trucks as their primary vehicle.
>>14749751
>doing physical work is superior than an office job
Whatever suits you 2bh, but "real work" is for people with IQs under 90.
>>14747212
fugly
>>14749702
POORS
OORS
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S
>>14749765
Working with your hands isn't necessarily physical.
>>14749773
Like what?
>>14747252
>thats 0-60 is over double that of a Tesla
Electric torks Is the future friend, I love displacement and even I can see that
>>14749682
Yes, but this is a car we've literally only seen a covered silhouette of.
Even fucking Apple at least shows its new phones before they start accepting preorders.
>>14749699
the logo for the 3 is the same as the E in the Tesla logo, three parallel horizontal lines
ford owns the rights to the model e name and tried to sue because nonsense USA copyright let's you keep a name basically forever even if you have no plans to use it again
I'd consider it if they didn't take the Apple approach to everything, especially serviceability. If most future mainstream EVs resemble Teslas in this regard (and they will), it will ensure the slow death of car culture.
>>14749702
kill urself
>>14749785
i fucking hate when electric fags are like
> IF YOU WANT A FAST CAR WHY DONT YOU GET ELECTRIC
touge, fucker
>>14749785
>thats 0-60 is over double that of a tesla
and a BASE tesla model s is 21.5 times more expensive than what i paid for the car equipped with said v8. but yeah, your pretty much right on the money with the double 0-60mph thing. working on that.
Model 3/Model S coupes when?
>>14747212
<<<Because we have options...
>>14747315
>dat dead zone between cleveland and NYC
Should we make Tesla threads here or on /g/? This board's too fucking slow.
>>14752123
i don't get the tesla-goes-on-/g/ meme
>>14748104
The Bolt will be out before the 3.
>>14747212
Pre-ordering is dumb.
Also I'm pretty sure I'll be able to lease a Bolt before the 3 drops.
>>14752337
i don't like the idea of having to wait till the end of next year to receive it
but west coast gets it first so that's a plus
7500 federal tax incentive, 2500 california rebate
>>14748188
Agreed.
>>14747240
>I drive 300 miles everyday
Yeah sure dude I believe you, that's totally the reason why you won't have one.
>>14749751
*cluck
>>14751902
>getting stranded in the middle of rural Pennsylvania
>>14749765
>this assmad his low t. cuck body can't perform physical labor
>>14747212
Because the nearest charging station for me is 212 miles away.
>>14747212
>Buying first generation of anything
>Ever
I like my cars when they don't spend a quarter of their life in the shop thanks. Even as someone who firmly believes that electric cars are in fact the future, I have zero intention of buying a Model 3 anytime soon.
The first generation or two of anything like this is going to be filled with engineering issues. That's just how things are in the real world. Now, add on the ridiculous backlog as they ramp up production (I don't think they've even shipped a single X outside of showroom models to Europe yet). Couple this with the fact that Tesla as a company couldn't keep to a deadline if held every employee at gunpoint, and you are looking at 2019-2020 before the car is actually both possible and worth buying compared to any number of other econo cars.
When my current vehicle finally dies, I might consider it, but it's not going to be anytime soon.
>>14752364
It's not gonna come out on time.
All of Elon's timetable promises have been tempered with
>if the gigafactory is fully operational,
and they are missing milestones on that project.
I predict the Bolt beats them to market by a minimum of 6 months, and has more content at the $35,000 price point.
Besides, incentive structure makes leasing the more attractive acquisition method on EVs.
You can buy for 35+ options, and get an extra 7500 on your tax refund, our you can lease for probably in the $150/month range.
I'll absolutely lease a Bolt or 3, whichever costs less, just for the benefit of putting less wear on my fun cars, even if $150/month (+ insurance + electricity) is about double (+ insurance + electricity) what I'm paying for fuel on my paid off toys.
>>14752854
This, early Model Ss are averaging less than 60,000 miles between major drive train component replacement.
>>14749008
It doesn't matter if the car's maximum speed is 5 kilometers per second if it takes 20 years to get there. The cars have weak acceleration above 80-100km/hr, so for highway overtaking they are pretty meh. From a stop they are insane, but once you are at speed it falls off hard.
>>14751116
>touge
>not pure autism
>>14748104
The chevy volt already exists anon.
>>14747212
Just put my deposit down
>>14752864
In all fairness, they have likely fixed then drive train issues, or at least significantly alleviated them. Plus the 3 is smaller, so it's going put less strain on the motor. I'm more referring to stupid shit like the liftgate getting filled with water, little plastic clips all over the place breaking and being a pain in the dick to fix, software hiccups, sound insulation improvements, the autopilot assist hardware being less advanced, and the like.
The catastrophic things like the drive train were just inexcusable to begin with. It's the stupid fiddly shit that makes it dumb to buy into new products the instant they hit the market. This is true practically everywhere, not just with cars.
If people want to pay to be beta testers, that's fine by me. I rarely have time to deal with that.
>>14747240
How often do you really go more then 200 miles in a day.
I swear I hear people say shit like this and wonder, how often do people fucking road trip.
>>14747240
>from NC
>there's a supercharger station literal 1 mile from my house growing up
ok bud
>>14752836
You're homeless? You definitely can't afford a Tesla then.
>>14749773
>Working with your hands isn't necessarily physical.
>>14749776
>Like what?
Museum conservator, restoration of artifacts etc
>>14752978
Real estate agent here. I'd say once a month in the slow season, and an average of 2 times a week in the high season.
Most I've ever done was 700 and change in a day because I had to go to court in 2 different fucking states over contractor disputes, personally sign off on something else near the border of a third, and then was just pissed off enough I chugged a quart of coffee and drove 300 miles straight home at 2 in the morning.
>>14752978
I've got a cabin on a lot without electricity 126 miles from my work or 115 miles from home.
In cold weather, the S can lose up to 40 miles of range overnight, so a go up Friday, come home Sunday trip to ice fish (something I did every other weekend this winter) is just barely possible with a P90D, never mind a 3.
Or my paid off truck can get me to work and back each day for ~$3.
20 more minutes br/o/s
GET HYPE
Lol @ tesla owners
>Muh trendy shit
>>14753203
>muh anti-trendy hipster faggotry
>>14753164
So you use your truck when you want to go to your cabin. Which is what should be going to a cabin anyway,
>Having to fill in niggerfaggot just to watch a stream.
>Can't even access the home page right now.
As a web dev guy, this triggers my autism.
>>14753227
how does that justify spending $70k+ on a fancy electric car
>>14753188
Is there a stream or something?
>>14753227
Or he could just not waste enormous amounts of money owning two vehicles.
The second car would need to not only be cheaper enough to operate that it would recoup the cost of the vehicle, it would need to pay for additional insurance, taxes, and potential additional costs of storing it, and costs to install home charging.
>>14753265
https://model3.tesla.com/
>>14753278
thanks
>>14753278
I'm looking for a stream not a sign up page
OH SHIT
IT'S STARTING
>>14753294
If you want to watch it, they need some of your soul in return
>>14753294
>make cock.li account
>use "nigger faggot" as first and last name
>watch stream
>>14753227
It costs me $3/work day to commute in the truck.
It would take me 38 years to pay for a 3 in fuel savings, and then I'd need another garage stall.
Not going to pre-order with zero information.
Likely purchase one though. Need to start making business trips to seattle and should be within distance.
>>14753309
I used an @tesla.com email address I made up
kek :3
>>14753315
You won't get one before 2018, even if you reserve now.
And if you do you get to be a beta tester.
>tesla the future
>uses flashplayer
wut
>>14753315
>seattle
Found the cuck
>>14753311
Also I will be retired in 30 years, so I'll actually never be able to pay for a 3 in commute fuel savings.
>This going to be a $15k electric 3-Series with Mercedes SLS doors.
True or False?
I'll take a model F9
>>14753302
oh man, this is so exciting.
>there are people preordering a fucking CAR that they haven't even seen yet or know anything about other than "its a tesla also elon"
>>14753337
*cluck
IT'S HAPPENING BOIS!
http://i.imgur.com/m7aNcFm.gifv
>>14753342
>they didn't debut it on 3/3/13
>>14753345
cucks will be cucks
>>14753345
This is how things work in the bay area, and california in general. People are dumb as fuck out there.
>>14748188
Combustion engine needs the fish mouth or it'll overheat.
> That music
this is slightly groovy
Why are there so many bald people?
>>14753360
this ain't no Trump rally
>>14753360
>that shitty imbalanced microphone
You can smell the smug
wew he's on time for once look at that
>>14753372
>Tesla: No smog, just smug.
>tezla
>american with a von in his name
what a homo
Get ready for Elon's spaghetti
>its another climate change episode
>>14753372
half smug, half nervous "I wish I were at home fucking around with batteries"
>>14753331
>The browser in their own car can't even play the stream.
FUCK THIS SPEECH SHOW THE GOD DAMN CAR ALREADY FUCK!
>>14751893
Literally Hot Wheels.
Staying on actual topic, thanks for convincing me that EVs are a shilled meme br/o/s.
Stream freezing up for anyone?
I DONT CARE ABOUT THIS LIBERAL BULLSHIT ELON JUST SHOW ME THE GOD DAMN CAR
>>14753392
toppest of keks
>>14753381
Fuckin lol. Musk is cringe worthy
How can a CEO be this beta?
>>14751893
God.. if only I had the money
>>14753400
yep, i hope their cars are more reliable than their video servers
>>14753381
this is the reason I watch this shit, he's such a bad speaker it's hilarious
Quads confirm
>>14753390
>when I use my vibrator, my batteries fuck me
>>14753400
that is just Elon stuttering
>>14753400
No, that's just Elon attempting to talk.
>I-i-it w-wa-was a-a
Fukkn DROPPED
The roadster has an evora face with and Elise ass.
>>14753403
>tfw all that money and still can't cure autism
In b4 Model 3 not revealed until 9 PM.
He's gonna give a speech about EACH FUCKING VECHICLE
>>14753425
Probably its because its based on a elise.
>>14753425
is that a bad thing?
>all those shills in the audience
>>14753345
kek'd hard at this image
Literally the iPhone car
>>14753427
Palms are sweaty. Moms spaghetti
>>14753427
B-bu-but i-it c-cured his b-b-baldness.
>>14753435
1-2 minutes per vehicle. ADD much?
>>14753381
>w-welcome
2kawaii4me
>Model S
>Model 3
>Model X
>S3X
>>14753447
This.
This "event" looks like it was completely organized to mimic the style of an Apple event.
>>14753459
go back to your /g/ thread
>fastest sedan you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZRkdefDCuE
nope
Can someone tell me why EV's cost so much in the first place? what the shit
>>14753461
apparently it was originally going to be the model E with exactly that in mind
The Tesla Roadster SX3
Is this a stand up routine now? Lol
>>14753463
They should just hire Tim Cook to do the presentation, it'd be less painful.
>>14753461
>Ford wouldn't give up the trademark on "Model E"
>>14753469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFFxZ-U4fvQ
FASTBACK CONFIRMED
hatchback confirmed
jap in the audience confirmed
>>14753469
production sedan you dummy
>>14753461
The crossover version of the 3 is the Y.
215 miles
0-60 in 6 seconds base car.
"we hope to exceed"
White guy in back clapping for every sentence and screaming Elon's name.
How is this not a cult again?
>>14753469
>muh kustom modified over 9000000 hp karrr
he means stock for stock you mong
>>14753471
Batteries are expensive. They're getting cheaper though. That's what the Model 3 and Chevrolet Bolt are all about (I almost typed Volt, fuck you Chevy). Batteries are likely gonna get cheaper in a few years too.
>>14753450
>doesn't even have the balls to pull a Christian von Koenigsegg
>Autopilot
I thought Elon feared AI
>>14753471
The battery packs are like 20,000 by themselves.
even the 480p stream is freezing like fuck. somebody post a screencap of the 3 when it comes up.
>>14753489
>White guy in back clapping for every sentence and screaming Elon's name.
How is this not a cult again?
That's just how Americlaps are.
>>14749051
does heat not become a massive problem as you increase rpm relative to input voltage
>Internal combustion engines generally have a flat torque curve and increasing power as rpm increases.
I think normally torque runs out just below 6000 rpm unless your engine is tuned to make torque above that level
>>14753494
WHY DID YOU LEAVE US CHRISTIAN
WHYYYYYYY
Stock red painted calipers CONFIRMED
>supercharger on an electric car
what
>Two compartments
Is that enough to fit all the fire extinguishers to put out the battery fire?
>>14753494
Christian is the person elon dreams of being every night.
He's the perfect human
>>14753496
>>14753491
Wait so what are these batteries made out if? It can't be eco friendly can it?
>>14753514
not that type of "supercharger"
>>14753515
You don't put out the battery fire, you get the fuck away from it before it leaves you wishing you had snuggled up to burning white phosphorous
>camping out for a car that comes out in 2017 if Tesla hits their timelines (and they never have)
>>14753514
That's just the brand name for Tesla's quick charging network, their version of chademo and CCS
>Superchargers in North Korea
>>14753499
I think it's first come first served for bandwidth or something, I got in as soon as it started and it's running fine at 1080p for me
>>14753514
electric battery charger
>>14753521
All-Natural grass fed non-gmo Gluten free ORGANIC Lithium.
>>14747315
Why not use 4 colors instead of symbols?
>>14753514
It's tesla's proprietary rapid DC charge tech. Yeah it's fucking confusing.
Currently it runs at up to 120kw. They want to get them up to 200kw, but I think that's going to be a while cause shoving that much power down a cable requires all sorts of liquid cooling magic, and there's limitations on the battery tolerances as well.
>yfw Elon announces the battery charges in 1 minute
>>14753516
If Christian tried to outdo Tesla, Elon would be on suicide watch.
he would just be mumbling over and over again
>oh fuck, somebody competent is in competition with me, oh fuck, somebody...
Gigafactory still isn't built?
>>14753534
>not fair trade
fucking dropped you cis scum
check your manufacturing privilege
>>14753521
Lots of lithium. It's actually quite eco friendly to mine and is EXTREMELY recyclable. It's sort of like aluminum in that regard.
>>14747212
Because its a car designed by people that don't drive.
Cards about the environment. Has the biggest fucking building.
>>14753541
Tesla isn't profitable
>>14753541
>One of the biggest factories in the world
>W-W-hy isnt it done in a y-y-year?
>>14753539
he's a shitty speaker but you can't deny that he's an incredible businessman, look at the following he's built
he has a nack for nailing market niches
>end of next year
so nearly 2 years away
who cares?
$35k confirmed
>confident
>deliveries begin at the end of next year
>clapping and woos
Elon could just pull down his pants and shit on the stage and they'd clap at him.
Wasn't it supposed to be just $30k before incentives?
Combustion engines on suicide watch
I literally just yawned at the screen
>>14753539
Christian is too good of a person to do that to Elon, It would be too easy for him, instead he is breaking records with no transmission, and no camshafts
Will Tesla ever have a profitable quarter again?
they look like miniature Aston Martins
>>14753571
>$30k before incentives
>tesla
ayyy lmao
>liftbacks
fucking dropped, tell me when the hatchback is here
Why.. why does it remind me of a porsche...
what..
I.. I like it..
inb4 sued by Porsche
jesus christ that interior
>>14753494
"take me to your leader"
>Literally ipads
>that bigass tablet thing
christ
did someone forget to finish the design of the front? what the hell
>touch-screen now an ipad
DROPPED
Is that a fucking 21 inch screen in the car?
It doesn't look terrible, but needs the Model S grill in the front.
Looks like a Porshe and Aston had a love child.
>>14753560
He is fucking terrible. He is a software guy trying to make things in meatspace. He fundamentally does not understand the engineering considerations for physical objects.
looks like a prius
This music sounds like something from Socom on PS2.
>EVERYONE HERE GETS A MODEL 3
>YOU GET A MODEL 3 YOU GET A MODEL 3
>over 100k orders already
fucking hell
>"You did it!"
fucking lost it
They finally got tesla.com huh?
I have no mouth and I must scream
needs a grill on the front, looks weird without one
would buy the matte grey with AWD 2bh
How long before some edgy millennial stances a model 3?
>>14753606
retard alert!
>>14753539
Bro, the chris man doesn't want to outdo tesla.
He owns a Model S which is his family car.
Can you guys fucking imagine a joint venture?
Imagine a Model S P90D but with 300kg taken off with glorious carbon fibre and a koenigsegg-spec interior
>>14753620
best part was when they all raped the woman and the author described the monkey mans giant dick
>that floating touchscreen
It looks like a fucking ford focus with the grille smoothed over. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THIS SHIT?
No one capped any pics? Come on guys.
>>14753613
Yeah but how many are cancelling after seeing it?
ITS SO UGLY HAHAHAHHA
>"k here it is. bye"
christ elon at least talk about it a bit. watch an apple keynote and see how they do it
>>14753622
It looks weird but I'm not sure if tacking on a fake grille is any better.
Maybe a license plate would help fill the empty space.
>>14753638
Teslarati will buy it if it looked like a Kia Sephia
>>14753624
Within 2 weeks of deliveries happening, fucking guaranteed
>>14753626
He said it in Revenge of the Electric Car
Everything was going wrong with the roadster and he goes "I had no idea building cars was this difficult"
>215 mile range
fucking really? 300 i'd consider it.
>not even watching stream
>looking at all this disappointment
Here comes the memes.
>>14753638
if they're rabid enough to order it without knowing jack shit about it, they don't care what it looks like
why do you think the Prius sold so well
Interior likely isn't done so that's why it looks so shit.
Generally the car looks about what I would expect. Pretty shit, but it's a $35000 car. They're not gonna cannibalise the Model S' sales.
>>14753641
>apple keynote
You mean where they just throw out buzzwords and shill their own product without giving any relevant or useful information at all, in most cases flat out lying to hype it up? Apple presentations are awful.
considering the first cars won't ship for ~2 years, what are the odds that the car's specs change drastically? surely they can squeeze another 50 miles out the batteries through optimizations and weight reduction
>>14753627
>Can you guys fucking imagine a joint venture?
No, after having spent 10 year working in silicon valley, I want to watch people like Elon get completely obliterated by people like Christian.
>>14753649
Probably do-able.
Elon was being very conservative.
JUST
lel
>>14753665
TOUCH
It has an all glass roof, 215+ mile range, 6 second 0-60, autopilot is STANDARD, and it has front and rear trunks. All for $35k. The haters are idiots this car is amazing for the price it's going to fucking kill the 3 series, c class, and A4. I'll admit this as someone who ones a recent A4.
>>14753654
It's a $35,000 Tesla, they gotta cut the cost somewhere.
So you one of you niggers want to start posting pictures?
My shitty internet makes streams useless.
>>14753649
EPA rated, who have started being harsh in order to provide cold weather stats.
If you don't live in a shit place you'd be looking closer to 250
>>14753665
>>14753666
>no volume buttons on the steering wheel
DOA
>>14753666
sterile and lifeless and awful in every way.
>>14753669
lol nigger do you really wanna be sitting in that fucked up interior all day
>One piece of glass.
Oh boy, I can't wait to spend 1800 dollars to replace that every fucking time a stray rock hits my windshield. Oh boy, I hope I never encounter some chucklefuck truck driver who can't be bothered to clean the packed ice off of his trailer.
>>14753669
>autopilot is STANDARD
What did they mean by this? Is auto pilot pretty much cruise control but it also stays in the lane?
>>14753669
It looks like shit though.
And the interior is fucking BAD.
>>14753678
PENIS
>>14753666
MUH MINIMALISM
>>14753669
>all glass roof
Shit
>215+ mile range
Where's my lithium sulfur and 400 mile ranges
>6 second 0-60
Yes, like a modern camry
>autopilot is standard
It's essentially a $100 chink smartphone connected to the steering and throttle/brakes, whoa
>front AND rear trunks
OH HOLY SHIT REALLY
holy shit it looks like a dodge dart but worse
To all the fucking retards thinking the interior is the final design. Leave this board now you fucking idiots.
I'm not even close to being a Tesla fanboy but it's painfully obvious it's still a proof of concept interior.
>>14753666
are the air vents on the tablet too?
>>14753665
>>14753666
Thats a bit too minimalism for my taste. I would bet 10$ that it is a placeholder/design interior.
>>14753683
It can drive itself like the Model S.
>>14753685
>>14753665
>>14753666
Oh god, it's so much worse than i thought
What the fuck were the morons thinking? The S sold so well because it looks fucking normal and nice.
>>14753690
>autopilot
>$100 chink phone to steering/throttle/brakes
You can't be this pants on head retarded...
Livestream of the test drives
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1dRKZyRkpgNxB
>>14753666
>>14753665
ahahahahahha holy shit that is terrible
>>14753696
nah senpai its the future of car
>>14747212
>everyone saying no grille
What's that big gaping hole on the front then
>>14753669
>>14753665
compare that to this
>this car is amazing for the price it's going to fucking kill the 3 series, c class, and A4
how about no?
>>14753665
Welp, I dont have an indoor garage and I dont want some nigger stealing my tesla ipad. Fucking dropped.
>>14753683
It's pretty much adaptive cruise control but also can change lanes to pass and shit.
>>14753696
Yes fucktard, and that proof of concept has a fucking ipad stuck on a pole coming out of the dash.
>>14753701
Nigger it's a few sensors, a reasonably powerful processor and some connections to the things that already computer controlled.
If they had've made it an option, i would bet you right fucking now it would be software unlocked or have one little module plugged in, because it would not cost any more to have most of the shit in there.
>>14753704
Better get used to it. The next generation of cars will have an autopilot option, and everything will be controlled from one big touchscreen in the middle of the dash.
That matte grey makes my dick hard
>115,000 people pre-ordered
>they made $115 million off a car that nobody has seen
>>14753703
Where the fuck is the speedo? I thought it'd be a HUD or something but I can't see anything on the windshield. Or anywhere.
>>14753713
If an electric C-Class comes out with 200+ range they would kill Tesla.
>>14753683
Tesla has lane keeping tech, and it's by far and away the best on the market right now. They also have a lot of nice little features like automatic high beam dimming (and it's not functionally retarded either), cruise control that dynamically adjusts speed based off of the car in front of you and speed limits (you can configure it to go over the limit too).
It's actually some very good stuff, and I say that as someone who is pretty apathetic to tesla in general.
The cruise control stuff was really nice when driving with a friend. Just set it, and stay on the road. Car handles the speed by itself and you don't have to think about it at all. Very little driver fatigue.
>>14753721
If I were Tesla Motors, I'd be very happy about that.
When are they gonna start making money tho?
>>14753683
>>14753715
It can also valet itself in and out of parking locations.
>>14753690
That shit needs motors and servos to controls the steering throttle and brake. A shit load of sensors and radar are connected to an array of dedicated processors with their own logic
>>14753722
I think they mentioned in the stream that there's going to be another screen for the dash
>>14753722
Speedometers?
Where we're going we don't need speedometers.
>>14753720
They kept the retracting door handles in the Model 3? I would have thought that would have been one of the first things on the chopping block of their base model.
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1dRKZyRkpgNxB
>all that creaking
Holy fuck, is Elon serious with this?
>>14753738
This, you won't need to monitor your speed in a car that you don't have to drive.
>>14753722
Elon was wearing it
why do you think he seemed so embarrassed
>>14753720
matte grey + black alloy pretty much always gets me hard
>>14753722
The car just starts screaming at you and calls the cops when you exceed the limit.
>>14753726
Mercedes and Lexus and BMW (which means pretty much everyone) has this tech available too. Mercedes calls theirs Distronic.
>>14753736
The steering is already electric and the throttle and brake pedals don't attach to shit, it's all already electric.
A shit load of those sensors will be going to a single unit, i will bet you my fucking house that right now.
I'm so excited for this! Take my money now!
>>14753722
>>14753737
Just watched it again, they said it'd be in the corner of the giant iPad so it's in your peripheral vision. So in about the place they put it on a Saturn Ion or a first gen Yaris.
>>14753715
>>14753717
If autopilot was that easy, it'll be on every modern car.
Yes it's a few sensors, a few very important sensors that have to monitor other vehicles, lanes, position, distance, etc.
It doesn't even need a powerful processor.
It needs smart engineering and a ton of calibration
The fact that they're willing to make ALL those sensors + control module standard is mindblowing for price.
Try getting adaptive cruise control on any modern car and see how much that option costs you.
And that's only ONE small part of autopilot - the easiest part at that
>>14753755
Same. I got a rock hard boner for one of these things. Too bad I'm a poor fag. My 98 corolla will have to last a little longer..
>>14753755
It's pretty much a baby Panamera.
>>14753665
>>14753666
Twitter is jizzing all over it, interior looks boring as fuck
>>14753742
You need to learn how to sell car bro
Keeping the fancy shit might cost another $20-30 per car, but that fancy shit is a selling point and attention drawing.
>>14753750
Pretty sure merc were the first with radar guided cruise control
>>14753750
Last time I drove any car that had the tech was at least 6-7 months ago, so things might be different now, but Tesla's lane keeping tech was by far and away the best of any manufacturer.
The other stuff isn't really that advanced, but most other manufactures had some hiccups with the dynamic cruise control stuff, whereas teslas was buttery smooth. Others have probably gotten better, but Tesla definitely came in and raised the bar.
>>14753744
it's a prototype
>>14753744
preproduction fool. creaking is simple to remedy, probably just needs noise felt/foam in select areas.
>>14753750
I can tell you are a poorfag. My Audi has the adaptive cruise control mercedes calls distronic and it's just adaptive cruise control you fool, it doesnt keep in the lane and change them itself.
>>14753726
How would lane keeping tech worn on crappy midwestern roads that lack center lines.
>>14753764
>It doesn't even need a powerful processor.
B-B-BUT MUH TFLOPS
>>14753753
HAHAHA
Please do, I'm ready to sign papers tomorrow.
Free house baby!
>>14753781
>FWD Audi owner calling people poorfags
I have seen it all.
>>14753755
I don't understand
Why would you copy porsche for your design? Porsche can't fucking design anything
Jesus, the only thing worse would be if they copied modern toyota.
>>14753764
It WILL be on every modern car, asshole. The reason it's taken so long is because things needed to get cheap - things have now gotten so cheap that it would cost telsa more to make the cars without the sensors and processors rather than just putting them into everything.
Do you really think people would complain if it was a $500 option and they threw a couple processor boxes in?
It's clearly not expensive for tesla to do. All the effort is in the programming, which now that it's mostly done costs nothing.
>>14753764
don't forget redundancy and failsafes
fully autonomous production cars are a long, long way off
>>14753792
I don't even think you can get FWD with the adaptive cruise control but I'm sure you've never even stepped into an Audi dealership.
>>14753722
its obvious the interior isn't done yet. Look at the differences between the Model S/X prototypes and production models.
>>14753782
By keeping 8 inches or so from the side of the road.
>>14753785
This is nvidia trying to put all the sensor processing/filtering (from cameras mostly) into one unit.
They're trying to sell this overpriced and overspec (kek water cooled) POS to people who are laughing at it.
Do you need decent FPGA/GPU power to process camera data? Yes
Do you need anything close to that for CONTROL of vehicle after sensor data is processed? No
I am amazed at how ugly the Model 3 is. It has been hailed as the make or break product for the company and the design was this off.
And the interior is even worse. It looks like a barren wasteland with functional design taken from cheap French cars. "We'll just put all the information on the centre of the dashboard and we don't even have to reverse it for the UK exports!"
I hope you can actually make the interior nicer with some options. Like having a three-spoke steering wheel with actual buttons.
>>14753799
I think the Panamera is a good looking car
The C-Class can already "autopilot."
They just call it something different
>distronic plus with steering assist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPN958gMTXc
The new E-Class can also do the remote parking bullshit. They just call it something different
>Parktronic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxlLtEWLJAg
The C, E and S-Classes already do all this shit.
>>14753790
See:
>>14753785
Using multiple processors would be fucking stupid, a few more meters of wire is a hell of a lot cheaper.
Not the actual unit, though. Nvidia are fucking retards who expect a self driving car to calculate the atmospheric pressure along the entire GPS guided route immediately or some other dumb shit, you don't need anywhere near that much processing power for automated overtaking and shit.
>>14753781
The latest A4's cruise control also stays in lane/obeys speed limits as an option for the most expensive trim. Don't think it can change lanes or anything though.
>>14753819
As at least a dozen people in this thread alone have said, it's very likely not the final interior. Tesla needed to make this clearer, though.
>>14753807
You're wrong. I've been to a VW dealership. They also sell Hyundais there where I live.
But I'm sure you're at the dealership all the time for "maintenance" you cuck.
>>14753709
that's a speculative render. No grill confirmed and it looks fucking awful
>>14753825
I assume that's an expensive option and only available on the new A6+?
>>14753821
That's because you've managed to steal the phone from the orderly and hide it in your padded cell.
Now give it back and take your pills.
>>14753829
I doubt that they'll give the interior much of a makeover from that.
>tfw slept through the unveil
fuck
>no specifics on higher trim models
>no wagon body style
>it looks like this
.....i'm...not really feeling it ybh
>>14753799
2016 M4 doesn't even have a backup camera.
Do you have any idea how much money OEMs pay suppliers to throw this stuff onto cars?
They're not paying material cost.
If it was a $500 option, it'll be amazing.
But it's not that cheap.
The radar needed for adaptive cruise alone is much more than that (to the customer as an option).
Tesla does have the advantage here with having alot of inhouse work done on the software side. But sensor/control module cost is still a factor, and Tesla does NOT make that inhouse.
Remember model 3 is high volume. Parts cost per car.
R&D/Engineering/Programming is one chunk cost.
Throwing all those sensors on high volume car is $$$$
>>14753829
It is clearly wishful thinking on /o/'s part.
Why wouldn't it be "the final interior?" What significant changes could they make between now and this time next year? It's put up or shut up time. The production lines are being setup as we speak.
>>14753835
$1,800 option for the most expensive A4 trim.
Don't think this model year's A6 has even been announced yet.
>>14753824
That's not the sensor dude....
You do realize certain sensors have to go in certain locations. You can't put it on one box on top of the car and call it good
>>14753840
IS THIS A FUCKING HATCHBACK?
It looks like the new Civic.
>>14753840
Needs a less retarded front end, a proper separate windshield and roof and a more normal interior.
Also those wheels are fucking putrid, the black and grey ones up above are much better.
>>14753834
No, I mean the thing at the bottom here, I didn't mean to link to OP's pic.
>>14753857
i'm totally fine with the windshield profile and all that, it just don't like the front fascia, it's all sculpted and it's way too much negative space
also
TEST DRIVING ON PERISCOPE
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1dRKZyRkpgNxB
>>14753854
I take this back. I read your post wrong.
You said "to a single unit"
That's only possible if Tesla is buying all these things from one supplier.
I don't think they are.
It's slightly cheaper and 200% less headache to have smaller more purpose built control module simply work together.
Then one dedicated master module to make final decisions
>>14753865
>>14753834
Why didn't they just gently round off the front fender? Pedestrian safety?
>>14753865
Lower air intake.
>>14753854
Do you realize it's more retarded to use multiple processors rather than sending it to a single central unit, albeit not as ridiculous as nvidia seem to think you need?
>>14753845
That's because BMW are stingy cunts.
The fact remains that the hardware telsa needs in order to make it happen cannot be that expensive, or else they would have made it an option on the lower trims.
>>14753871
So where the hell is the spedometer? On the center tablet?
>>14753894
You slow down when you see smoke from the battery overheating
>>14753876
The sensors don't need to be from a single supplier in the same way your ECU doesn't need purely [x] sensors to run the engine, as long as it's simple the sensors tesla chose they can use a single processing unit and have everything going into and out of it.
Telling you man, if tesla are talking 100k cars, the cost of the hardware must be small enough to make it not worthwhile to not include it on some models.
>>14753894
Yeah.
>>14753877
Have you not seen every modern car?
They all do this. Theories range from protecting retards who walk onto the road to aerodynamics (flat side + flatish wheels = less pressure).
The more I look at it, the more it feels like they forgot to install the dashboard.
>>14753855
looks like it's on the dash where a speedo normally would be but sort of tucked under that horizontal fold that goes across the dash
>>14753899
>>14753901
I was hoping they'd use that illumination thing where the speed is reflected in the windshield.
or hell, use clear see through OLED if not reflective.
>>14753894
In the top left corner of the dash ipad.
You know, so you need take your eyes off the road in order to look at your speed.
Rather than a simple HUD or small LCD in front of the driver.
>>14753904
>They all do this.
No, none of them do this. Because they all have grilles at the front.
>>14753911
>I was hoping they'd use that illumination thing where the speed is reflected in the windshield.
I actually thought that they would use a HUD for primary driving information but when I saw that the fucking steering wheel had no buttons, I had a guess that the 35k price point is reached with a lot of cuts.
>>14753914
He meant they all have big, flat front ends.
>>14753911
This stuff is super cool, but I can see the safety administrations having an aneurysm over it because it just simply does not show up worth a damn when you are driving into the sun.
>>14753900
That's because the engine ecu is meant to cope with sensor failure and has many safe assumptions/backups.
But even the engine ecu requires a base set of sensors or else it won't work.
And try putting a sensor from one OEM and plug it into another OEM's ecu. It will not work.
Maybe tesla is taking a risk with volumes to reduce hardware costs, maybe it's part of the $35k cost, which is why extended range battery packs are an option instead of standard
>>14753920
The lack of steering wheel buttons is NOT a price saving measure, it's a retarded statement.
Steering wheel buttons are found on the cheapest of the cheap shitboxes, they cost next to nothing.
>>14753855
the model s is a hatchback bud
>>14753890
Note Elon's careful wording during the presentation. Autopilot hardware is standard. The software to make it work on the other hand costs $2500 on models S and X. I assume that cost is the same on 3.
The people paying $2500 for $500 worth of hardware more than make up for the few people who don't use the feature. Plus, it can be purchased at any time now rather than only when the vehicle is ordered thanks to OTA software updates.
>>14753936
>Phat BAND
>>14753936
Why the hell is it reflective and not a matte/anti glare?
You cant see shit with that on a sunny day.
>im sorry officer, i don't know how fast i was going cause my cars odometer was too reflective.
>>14753953
Might not be the final screen unit.
>>14753889
What separates that from a grille? Shiny plastic bits?
>>14753958
It's lower and the air isn't fed into the radiator.
>>14753936
>literally an ipad
>>14753942
>>14753855
I wish more Sedans had hatches like the Model S and BMW GT models. Literally no reason for a trunk.
>>14753937
Bro, the sensors literally do not matter. It doesn't matter who makes or where they come from, you get the lowest bidder and then build your processing box around it. In this case we're talking radars and cameras, they don't even remotely need to come from the same place, all you need is the data from them going into the box which decides what to do with it.
Feel free to screenshot this post, because i'm going to tell you exactly how this works for tesla:
All the sensors needed will be wired directly into 1 or 2 main boxes, which will run the controls needed to act on this.
The entire system is so cheap that in 18 months and 100,000 units, tesla decided not to bother making it an option. They figured it would be cheaper to simply include all the sensors on the production car, and then they figured they could reduce costs further by reducing the number of independent processors, so now there's a computer in the car running the automated driving shit as well as some other things. Maybe it's now all connected to the electric controls which are being run by a single thing, who knows.
They didn't just decide that they wanted to put the automated driving shit in every car, they just saw that by the time they did it to [x] amount ordered with the system they could just put it in everything for such a little extra that the marketing gained from it offsets the cost.
>>14753890
There are pros and cons to going with one single control unit vs. distributed.
It's not like with multiple ecu's you're adding 2x/3x more parts, you're just spreading it out.
You have to consider things like
- R&D effort to merge different system together
- Single point of failure vs. sub system failures
- Who is supplying these different systems/parts
- Parallel processing of data
>>14753961
>air isn't fed into the radiator
got'cha, thanks
>>14753940
>Steering wheel buttons are found on the cheapest of the cheap shitboxes
Except GT86.
if there was a legit shooting brake design higher trim model like 50 grand for 300 miles of range and 4 seconds to 60 i would have legit put money down tonight
as it stands?
eeh
>mixed feelings; the car
>>14753681
>Oh boy, I hope I never encounter some chucklefuck truck driver who can't be bothered to clean the packed ice off of his trailer.
if you don't live on the west coast best coast, aka california, why would you even want a tesla?
>reservation counter up to 130k
also
it's not actually a hatch, it's some weird pseudo-trunk thing
>>14754000
This cars gets weirder by the minute.
I wonder if this will sink Tesla.
Made 20k off Tesla stock today. Maybe I should pre-order a Model 3 as thank you to based Elon Musk.
>>14753973
>Being this uninformed about sensors and modules in modern cars
>Assuming they're going to squish the work of 3-6 dedicated FPGAs, low cost microcontrollers, custom ASICs into 1-2 ARM chips
Please read
>>14753974 and
>>14753948
Do you really think there is some standard shared between all the competing suppliers on how radar/camera/lidar/ultrasonic sensors communicate, are controlled, and behave?
They can't even come together and make one connector for a coolant temp sensor.
Are you pulling all this stuff from the sky? Or do you have something to back this up?.
My sources are: I work on this stuff in the industry
>>14754003
nah, it'll sell fine. it's just not quite what i was hoping for, i'll probably pick up a used one and tune it for maximum gofast
>that matte grey
>liftback
>215 mile range
Sold
>>14753644
tfw I drive an 01 Kia Sephia
>>14754012
what are you an automotive EE?
>how do i get your job? that sounds fun
>>14753744
Pre production test mules. The car is still two years away.
TESLa also changes parts on the fly. They develop a better part and it goes on the soonest car possible. Friday's models has different door hinges from Thursday's.
>>14754022
No, a CE. A bit of a mix between a EE and CS, but shitty at both. Lol
Come to michigan, it's like 75% of engineering jobs here
>>14753549
>Because its a car designed by people that don't drive.
I finally got to drive a Tesla today and all I can say is you're fucking stupid. It was one of the best driving experiences ever. The feeling of no transmission/engine is godly, unless you're some kind of faggot purist who must feel every rotation of the camshaft. Once you feel that instant torque, it will change your mind immediately. Fucking insane.
>>14754030
tempting, auto CS is my dream job sort of. However isn't it almost impossible to get hired into those positions from outside the company though?
>>14754014
>liftback
Fastback.
>spending 35k on this instead of a 2016 Mustrang GT
>>14754038
Not directly into a lead position, but you can easily (ha) get into an intro position if you are fresh from school (or even paid internships if still in school).
If you have decent experience already (2-3 years) you can get a junior position no problem, demand in the area seems high these last 12 months.
If you are fresh out of school, having non-job experience is also helpful. Personal projects can show alot about skills.
Process/Systems can be easily taught, personal coding skills and deductive reason can't be :(
>>14754050
They're completely different cars what the fuck are you on about? Model 3 competes with the lower end German luxury brands, not fucking Mustangs.
>>14754050
>buying a mustang
>ever
wew lad
>>14754064
do the big auto companies advertise positions through like monster or something or is my best bet just going on like ford-careers and searching their shitty interface?
>>14753619
Yeah, Elon gave a shoutout to the old owner on Twitter when they got it.
>>14754050
>he said mustang
>>14754072
>Model 3 competes with the lower end German luxury brands, not fucking Mustangs.
Also a better way to spend that kind of money.
>>14754099
Model 3 is Camry money after incentives
>>14754110
You get $12,000 worth of incentives when buying the low-end model?
I would be so much happier if the hood didn't pinch into the windshield and if they made it clear whether that interior is permanent. I really hope they take criticism and improve it like they did with model s.
>>14754090
shitty interface :(
I think Linkedin might be another good spot.
But applying directly is best bet.
Big OEMs get alot of attention, a supplier can be a good first step
>>14754125
>whether that interior is permanent.
It's seemingly mostly finished. The production car will have no dedicated speedo and it'll have the single display only.
>>14754126
alright, thanks. i'll look into it.
also from certain angles in certain lighting conditions and on certain colors i can kinda like the front fascia
>>14754119
I think Californians can get two different rebates for buying zero emission cars that equal out to $10,000. or something like that.
>>14754141
Reminds me more of an airliner
>>14754119
Federal incentive is a flat $7,500 no matter which model you buy.
States also have separate incentives. Some give extra tax credits on top of the federal one and some waive sales tax on the car for example.
>>14749702
>real men drive truck
middle aged overweight americans who can sexually please their wives are not men or people
>>14754191
>can
fuck i meant can't
>tfw moving to russia
>tfw no tesla
>>14754211
Why the fuck would you move to that shithole?
>>14754217
Because i'm originally from there, and was brought over as a child to the USA at 11 illegally. My immigration papers to get PR/Citizenship is still 10 years or more away, and i'd be hitting 38 before i could actually work legally for any real company.
>>14754142
yep, all electric cars get $2500 state credit + $7500 federal credit.
>>14754301
Something that a lot of people keep forgetting, or just don't understand, is that the 7500 USD federal tax credit is a CREDIT. Is is NOT a refund. If you don't pay 7500 or more in taxes, you don't get the full 7500 back.
Depending on your marital status, number of dependents, and other deductions, you probably need to me making in the mid 60,000 a year to get the full benefits of the federal credit.
>>14754781
You'd have to be retarded to purchase a $35,000+ car without making at least twice that amount so no problem
>>14747212
I wish the model 3 had the same front as the model X
>>14748891
I think Anon means that there are few charging stations around him.
>>14747212
<<<<Because of this
