I'm calling it right now. The 2017 Camaro ZL1 is going to be a supercar killer on the track. I guarantee the only vehicles that will beat it on the track is the new GTR and any car that costs an upwards of $400,000.
How can Europeans even compete?
>mfw a big fucking muscle car is stomping tiny european cars left and right
FREEDOM.
>American car
>track
Europeans will never compete. They're surrounded by short distance roadways, limitations on displacement, and shit luxury brand automobile manufacturers.
Let's be honest, leave the sport car scene to the Americans.
>>14711306
>How can Europeans even compete?
They can't, they're too cucked by their governments and can't have nice things.
>>14711356
Inb4 can't turn etc etc.
Lol like some 4 door 4K pound shitbox BMW with double the price can handle any better.
>>14711306
Too bad the reliability is going to be shit.
It's gonna eat brake pads and die of heat soak after a few laps.
Consume so much gas that it will cost more as a DD than a fucking tractor.
Plus, come standard with the most boyracer faggot interior on the market.
Besides that I'm sure it will be a good car though.
>>14711351
Probably the only American car that does as advertised, shame it's not really cheap though, but at least it doesn't lie to itself. Unlike most Chevrolet cars.
>>14711369
Exactly, it'll probably BTFO their precious 911 in track special trim too.
too bad it looks like fucking shit, is pigfat as fuck and the LT4 will overheat after a couple of laps like the z06
![98404_Lotus-Type-125-banner-2_717x300[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kM5c5Pn.jpg "98404_Lotus-Type-125-banner-2_717x300[1].jpg")
>>14711355
>>14711356
>>14711369
>americucks
>making good track cars
lel
>>14711380
>the viper being the only car to do as advertised
What is the GT350
What is the 2015 ZL1 and Z/28
What is the 2016 SS
What is the 2016 Z06
Fuck off.
>>14711355
T H I S
H
I
S
![vettees[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gSPMeJ8.jpg "vettees[1].jpg")
>>14711457
>What is the 2016 Z06
garbage
>>14711492
>shits itself on every race it competes
lel
>>14711516
>a new car has new car problems
what a surprise
>>14711427
>Europoors, living in the past
Hurrr durrr the sun never sets on muh empire....times change motherfucker, deal with it.
>>14711527
>ford has problems
buisness as usual
>>14711505
Stop posting this fucking meme. The issue has been worked out in the newer models and that car was a fluke.
>a brand new model has bugs that need working out
Color me surprised, not.
>>14711545
Not really, no.
Performance car of the year, bitch.
![2011-lotus-type-125-04[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1DzWHV2.jpg "2011-lotus-type-125-04[1].jpg")
>>14711541
orry, can't hear you over how much better Lotus sports cars are
>>14711541
shut up
>>14711548
>Implying meme
Americucks everyone
>>14711548
citation needed
>>14711549
>slower than the GTR
kek
>>14711570
>a cheaper car is slower
What a disaster.
Still a better driver's car.
![_lead[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8xCRlFl.jpg "_lead[1].jpg")
>Ford makes a hot hatch
>blows any yurocuck hot hatch the fuck out
Ford literally beat them at their own game. Embarassing.
>>14711581
>driver's car.
nice buzzword
>>14711570
How to spot a pseudo enthusiast 101
>needs AWD
>needs automatic
>will pay $60,000 more for a second more in a less entertaining ride
>>14711554
>you can't hear me because your head is up your ass
>>14711560
Go ask permission from your government, apply for the proper licence, wait for approval, then make me faggot.
>>14711591
>made in germany
>american
>>14711591
TFW It was made by ford Europe so it's still Europoor
>>14711595
How to spot a butthurt anon 101
>Muh RWD!
>Muh Manuel!
>Im so poor!
>>14711597
>americuck making fun of anyone statist goverment
how is that 25 ear old import law going on for you? kek
Eurocucks need to calm down. Their countries don't even let them mod their shit completely. Also their cost of living is so much higher, so all they can afford is cheap jdm crap and euro trash.
>>14711607
Muh failed engineering hiding behind shit marketing
>>14711612
Except they tax the fuck out of everything, so they can't even afford the good versions.
![lotus-exos-type-125-02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kAFBPO9.jpg "lotus-exos-type-125-02[1].jpg")
>>14711597
>pls listen to my tantrum!
think twice next time to make a retarded shitpost OP
>>14711611
Funny thing is we have expendable income you cu.ck. Stay delusional cuck boy.
>>14711611
That 25 year old import law has never once affected me. How's your new refugee neighbors?
>>14711613
>Muh failed engineering hiding behind shit marketing
basically Ford failing to finish any race with the new GT
>insane taxes based on engine displacement
>insane taxes based on emissions numbers
>insane taxes on fuel
>insane import taxes
>insane insurance costs
>insane cost of living
>insane lack of freedom in regards to modifying your car
>being THIS cucked
How have all yuropoors not killed themselves yet?
>>14711623
there are no mudhist in my country, how is that nigger president doing?
>>14711622
>Funny thing is we have expendable income
you can't even afford healthcare or college without falling into debt
Holy fuck OP you really kicked the Europoor bucket. This is some mad salt in here, I haven't seen such raw anger in a long time on /o/.
Europeans should be banned from posting on /o/.
>>14711645
kek, americuck got triggered hard as fuck
>>14711653
This, residents of countries with no car culture should not be allowed on a car board.
>>14711653
>damage control
lel
>>14711665
>>14711653
samefag
oh wow another /int/ thread
>>14711672
>posts less than a minute apart
![152874d1283969301-larrys-lotus-photoblog-4-ddd[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EfphOpW.jpg "152874d1283969301-larrys-lotus-photoblog-4-ddd[1].jpg")
>1:03 around top gear circuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E0PFLbGXyA
>5 seconds faster than a Zonda R
>just barely lower than an actual F1 car
>a car you can order directly from Lotus
is there anything american that comes close to this?
>Americucks got told
>Nu-uh muh cost of living
>muh freedom
>>14711646
False you can afford those things if your not a poorfag.
Dumbnigger I make around $102,000 and that's after taxes I live a comfortable life and fix cars on the side. Working on restoring a fastback atm. Yeah keep thinking that you should get some extra HP on that ricer or euro bucket you drive.
>>14711690
>slower*
>>14711646
>there are no mudhist in my country,
Then apparently you live in a country that doesn't reward these shitskin with welfare and benefits. They must have walked right past your borders in order to escape the hell. Point taken, I concede.
>and for the record I never voted for the nigger. I'm kind of suprised he hasn't been assassinated yet.
>>14711698
tl;dr
lying on the internet is not god anon
![1442217611581[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/I0fxlgX.jpg "1442217611581[1].png")
>>14711698
>keep thinking that you should get some extra HP on that ricer or euro bucket you drive
>mfw his government won't let him
>>14711591
>post German car
>claim it's American
![Lotus-125[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TY6hIEW.jpg "Lotus-125[1].jpg")
>>14711690
>no reply
stay BTFO ameribubblers
>>14711724
>Ford
>not American
>>14711720
>mfw it does
>I can import a whole car from wherever I want to
>don't have to wait 25 years
/int/cuck getting BTFO
The only new American car that is currently badass is the GT350 with it's flatplane crank. The rest are fat, gigantic, and overstyled garbage cans. They'll set good lap times but they'll be shitty to drive on the street, like the GTR, which is boring as fuck to drive.
New jap and american cars are just boring and soulless I guess.
>>14711716
I would post my tax returns, but this is 4chan so no.
>>14711745
>it doesn't*
>>14711736
>being too ignorant to know that Ford has maintained largely independent European branches in Germany and the UK for half a century now, and whenever the US got a decent Focus it was a European development, and so is the new Transit and the current Fusion
>>14711690
>>14711729
We aren't discussing cars that can quite literally not be driven on normal roads. Stop posting this gay bullshit, none of us and no one except a handful of people in the world buy those things.
Of course they are faster, that is the one purpose they serve and that is to be fast on a track. Fucking autism.
>>14711752
>Camaro SS and C7 as boring and soulless as the GT-R
I don't think so bud. It's Germany who are building the numbest and most pretentious vehicles at the moment.
>>14711752
>AMERICAN CARS ARE SOULESS
I AM TRIGGERED.
The Camaro, Challenger and Mustang have more soul in just those 3 cars than any European car every made.
Also you've never stepped foot in our cars, fuck off.
>>14711677
I never get dis meme. For over4 fucking jeaaars. Wdf does that mean and sup with that walrus!
>>14711788
benis
>>14711763
Well, Honda, Toyota, and Nissan have been built in the US for several years now, I guess they aren't Japanese companies anymore you stupid fuck.
![2011-Lotus-Type-125-Side-Angle-Speed-1280x960[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WZL0z8F.jpg "2011-Lotus-Type-125-Side-Angle-Speed-1280x960[1].jpg")
>>14711765
>d-doesn't count! ;_;
lol mad as fuck
>>14711778
>muh soul
back to /r/
>>14711778
Soul level:
1. Murican
2. Yuropoorian
3. Chinese
>>14711778
>Also you've never stepped foot in our cars, fuck off.
You're so salty about my opinion that you've decided that you know everything about me, without ever having met me.
>>14711306
And yet it is just as undesirable as the GTR.
>>14711798
>race cars aren't made anywhere else on the planet
Cmon man, I know Lotus is the shit but you are just being unreasonable if you think Europeans are the only people who can build an open wheel car.
>which reminds me, I have to get my indy 500 infield passes ordered
>>14711594
Every single reviewer says it's a tremendous car and a blast to drive
>>14711306
>go to race track
>attempt to take a corner
>can't see the supercar about to pass because you have no windows
>crash
>fireball
>supercar is kill
You might be right anon.
>>14711840
thats not a race car, its a track car, like an ariel atom or a BAC mono on steroids
>>14711919
>>14711919
>Blind spot indicator
>Magnetic Meme Dampers
Consider suicide eurocuck
>>14711947
>Design is so poor that you need blindspot indicators
>>14711961
S-s-stop finding solutions to p-problems americaa
>Eurocuck proceeds to shit the queen
Threads like this are why /o/ is garbage
The people pretending to like American cars aren't Eve fucking convincing
Shame on them/him for shitposting, and shame on the rest of you for taking the bait
>>14712000
I'm Canadian/American
>>14712048
So Cuck/American? Half cuck is full cuck
>>14711306
I'll never get why people argue price is a problem.
It's legimately like people pride themselves on being poor.
>>14712108
Because richfags love to act smug about their car and how it's faster than yours, but this is actually attainable for a large chunk of the population.
>>14711306
What's the 0-60?
Sure bud
>>14712159
3.7 manual, 3.5 with meme shifters
>>14712202
>supercar killer on the track
it won't
american cars are rubbish and can't turn for shit
>>14712208
Hey the lotus handles way better than any American car other than the viper or the ford gt
>>14711591
>what is RS3
>what is A45 AMG
>what is Golf R
also this car isn't even american
>>14712084
>Half cuck is full cuck
yes, he stated he is american
>>14712224
I was referring to ayy lmao front fascia
![lotus-3-eleven-vorne-up[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gkG9G5D.jpg "lotus-3-eleven-vorne-up[1].jpg")
>>14712224
>other than the viper or the ford gt
nah senpai
>>14712231
Ohhhh hahaha I got that now. Good one
>>14712128
True rich gags can always spend more and get better, even if that requires tuning.
They always have to means to get the same or better than you; you can't win by using a price argument.
>>14712226
>understeering overpriced nightmare, only good for 0-60 times and 5cyl sound
>hugely stressed engine and ridiculous price tag
>haldex
>>14712219
>rubbish
>can't turn for shit meme
It's also a good bit smaller than the Mustang, than even the last Camaro--and every turn-in confirms that reality. You can aim the Camaro SS at corners like a lawn dart, and it takes unerring aim at the softest, most vulnerable point. Then it sticks the landing. Its 20-inch treads and magic-finger suspension do not play--it grips and grins through corners.
>Eurocucks being this btfo
>m-m-muh handling m8...
Too bad shitbong queen cucking faggots we own speed and handling now stay cucked
>>14712206
Almost as fast as many things with considerably less power.
Shit, by car does 4.0 with only around 330hp.
>>14711591
Really torn between the STi (after engine update) and the RS, my only concern about the RS is how reliable will it be?
>>14712289
>we own speed and handling
see
>>14712241
>>14711798
>>14711729
>>14711690
>>14711620
>>14711554
>>14711427
>>14712241
How much are these things going for?
>>14712402
iirc less than a new viper ACR and just as fast, since its also faster than the 918, p1 and LaFerrari
>>14712289
Grip is not handling, even if it can be a substitute.
>>14711505
>motortrend said it so it must be true
top kuk m8
>>14711599
>Made by Ford Motor Company
yes, it is American
>>14712431
>mad and in denial
http://www.corvetteforum.com/articles/another-z06-motor-failure-just-6-miles/
>6 MILES
>>14712447
>Ford Motor Company Gmbh.
yes, its developed and made in germany
diffeentials are british aswell, and the engine is made by mazda
>>14711549
Love mustangs.
Would get one only if those shitty americunt cars wouldnt drink gas as if it was free
A german car, same power, drinks half of that
>>14712410
It's $58k fully legal on the road, and it weighs 670kg only, which is truly insane
>>14712500
you are thinking of an exige or something
3-eleven is like 80k britbong pounds
>>14712511
Hey search it up, the 2-eleven is 40k britbong pounds
>>14712527
the 2-eleven is like 10 years old m8
they are prob even more expensive than their original MSRP
>>14711612
>lol guys european cost of living is higher kek
>rock solid american """"houses"""" btfo by a light breeze that you americucks call a motherfucking tornado
>trailer parks
>junk food
>>14712423
Yes, and hp is not speed and brake pads are not slow just face it
>EUROKEKS BTFO
>HATCH BITCH DRIVING DYKES ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>14712541
Oh yeah true, the 3 eleven is insane. It weight less than a Miata, yet it has the power of a gt3rs. This car will beat the Nurburgring time when tested
>>14712396
Well it'll certainly be more reliable than the STi.
>>14712587
Sti got an engine update WHEN?
>>14712580
apparently it lapped it in less than 7 minutes, but there is no video
>>14712287
>sub 5sec 0-60mph in the real world
>glorious 5cyl engine note
>in a package that doesn't make you look like an immature boiracer
>actually DDable in a country where population density is a thing
Also
>featuring exclusive NoBlindSpots(TM) windows
>>14712603
I wouldn't doubt it, but what if it's the same story as the mclaren p1 Nurburgring lap time
>>14712597
>Literally comparing dds to drag racing
>Consider suicide friend
Only eurocucks are this stupid
>>14712574
>brake pads are not slow
breaking distance comes from the tires, better brake pads and discs help to reduce overheating
dumb americuck
>american education
>not even once
>>14712606
Yes, I mentioned its pros.
It's still overpriced and gets fucking murdered around a track.
![36130_T125-banner_1000x297[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ILvIXCj.jpg "36130_T125-banner_1000x297[1].jpg")
>>14712620
>drag racing
what? no one has posted a drag car so far, you are one dumb, inbreed hick
stay perpetually asshurt
>be an ameribubbler
>start a shitpoting thread
>get BTFO
>"n-no, d-doesnt count, muh daily driver!!"
kek, dumb cuck
>130 posts in
>these two retards are still arguing over whether being born on one side of the Atlantic or the other is inherent superiority
![w60pWtd[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rLi4SKQ.jpg "w60pWtd[1].jpg")
>>14712676
>tfw born on the same side of the atlantic as americans
>still bait the shit out of them
>>14712574
Yes, you're quite right about both of those things.
>>14711306
>How can Europeans even compete?
nobody cares. really. people in this market don't give a fuck about value. you cheap bench racers are literally the only ones who care about it.
>source: i work at a porsche dealership
>>14712637
Look you queen loving gilf faggot, my point is ur comparing F1 cars to fucking cars people actually buy and drive
>Getting BTFO
Fag, the only reason you deny muscle can actually turn now and btfo ur econoshitboxes is because due to your gay ass council laws you fags have to pay six figures for muscle
>>14711690
Sexy.
Doesn't change the fact that American sports cars tend to be 95% the performance of euro super-cars at 25% the price.
>>14712711
>North of America and you're just America-lite
>South of America and you're insignificant (except for profit shifting because all dem low taxes)
![1443146954324[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RwlOaCE.jpg "1443146954324[1].jpg")
>>14712794
>F1 cars
except it isnt an F1 car faggot
lurk more cuck
>muscle can actually turn now
barely lel
congrats on doing what ajapn and europe accomplished 30 years ago
stay asshurt
>>14712831
If its not street legal kill yourself lad
>Being this mad for the saggy tits queen
>>14712831
>barely lel
Shit will run circles around the RS, i.e. the car you fags are so wet as niagra falls for, stay mad shitbong baiter
![big_thumb_6abe10f2c7805856bbb85e6f879eba2f[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aL50nkH.jpg "big_thumb_6abe10f2c7805856bbb85e6f879eba2f[1].jpg")
>>14712859
>>14712844
>"wahh wahh muh street legal"
>"muh cumaro, muh vette"
>"ur a shitposter, u mad"
kekeeke
absolutely BTFO lads
>>14712897
>"Muh lotus m8"
>"I said muh lotus m8"
>"Are you gonna buy one?"
>"T-The queen said..."
And im btfo... gtfo europoor stick to your twingo faggo POO IN LOO
Well, this thread is a god damn shit flinging contest.
>>14712084
lol great meme familam
>>14712897
Righto! God save the queen!
>>14712923
>>14712978
>mfw not an europoor
stay triggered murricuck, KEK!
>>14713007
Ehh eurocuck europoor same difference faggatron
>>14713074
except I live in new world
>>14713078
Still a tremendous faggot that doesnt know shit about cars and should end it
>tfw none of my friends appreciayte big fat yank cars
Everyone over here goes on about their jap shitboxes or fucking fiestas and old escorts.
I mean, sure there are good yuro and jap cars too, but a fucking 626 Mazda from the late 80's is not a god damn sports car like my neighbour claims.
Man you Europeans sure are mad at Americans, and if all you can say is HAHAHHA 25 YEAR LAW then holy shit you're grasping at straws. I'd rather have some silly law that doesn't let me get niche market jap cars then taxes up the ass that only let me drive shitty hatchbacks.
Out of production, still better than all of you.
>>14713914
>American made Saab
Cuuk
>>14713914
>Saab 9-5 does not approve
>>14712814
/thread
>>14711599
>>14711724
Also made in Michigan as well as like 5 other countries including Asian ones. Stay pleb.
>>14711306
easy to drive ?
in all seriousness some cars are just too annoying to drive fast
>>14713883
shut the fuck up aka-rin
>hurr durr europe
>hurrr /pol/ cucked meme
Americans are truly the cancer that killed this board
>>14711306
But anon that isnt the Mid Rear Corvette
>>14712831
I bet that Civic has rock hard as fuck suspension.
![650x366[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2nrBNgA.jpg "650x366[1].jpg")
>>14711306
>tfw ZL1 convertible
JUST TAKE MY MONEY!
>>14711591
Ford of Europe > Ford US
>>14711645
>insane regulations on public roads
>get tazed by cops for driving 5km/h in a 500hp car
>have to respond to cops with "sir"
>having to pay 50k a year for college
I'd rather drive 300 on muh autobahn than living in your third world country
>>14715921
You only get tazed if you're black, and you don't have to call cops "sir"
Stay cucked yuropoor
>>14711778
>all look the same
>probably have the same shitheap engine with 9000 ccm making pisspoor 200hp
>lolcantturn
>cars made to make you look like a total tryhard
>muh reddit tier colors
Get cucked, cuz dats what you have been searching for.
>>14715929
Enjoy your massive $500 fines health insurance and college fee's friend
Hope that 5.0 170bhp poor quality car was worth it
>live in country that builds fine high HP-cars where fuel is cheap
>speed limit on highways is 100-130kmh
>>14711778
Please. Those cars scream of what america is today. Their design yearn for the "good old days", lack of creativity and poor craftmanship.
I've only driven a single American car, a Dodge Caliber SRT4 which had only one redeeming quality, it's manual gearbox which felt really nice. Rest of it was irredeemably mediocre. I can't think of a reason why any of the other American car would be any different. Affordable, heavy straight-line racers.
>>14716060
the "enthusiasts" here are used to shit so they don't know any different
Quality/how it drives/DD ability doesn't matter as long as a racing driver can take you car around one track faster than a few other cars
Look how blasted the brz get on here, it goes straight over their head
>>14712549
Have you ever been in a tornado? It would destroy a brick house, let alone one of wood and drywall.
>>14716075
The funny thing is that the Caliber SRT4 got absolutely rekt by a stock Mk4 R32 when I last saw the thing going around the nearby track.
>>14712549
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here for examples.
>>14715971
Alright fine, we're going to leave you to die in a mountain of poo and Quran's.
>>14716075
Americans are still playing top trumps while Euros are going to track days.
>>14716206
pretty much this
They are blogging and taking pics for instagram and reddit while we would be driving
>>14716112
except what I said is true
there are ton's of muslims in America too lad
>>14711306
A Cayman destroys it around the track, kek.
>>14711306
Why soes it look like poop?
>>14716055
>scream for the good ol' days
What are you talking about? W are living the good ol' days of cars right now. Extremely cheap with amazing performance, plenty to choose from and we don't get exploded by taxes. Sorry you can't enjoy the freedom m8
>>14711306
inb4 3800 pounds
>>14717629
it's a lot lighter than the last gen
>>14717629
Well it is a muscle car and they are known for being very heavy and large.
That's because they just upped the displacement without doing any thinking. Give the euros 6.whatever liters to work with and i think we'd know who'd be faster.
>>14717836
>Give the euros 6.whatever liters to work with and i think we'd know who'd be faster.
Right the Camaro would since you'd put that engine into a bus or something instead.
>>14717629
Chebby said it was 200lbs lighter than the previous zl1.
Previous zl1 was 4100lbs so this will be 3900
>>14711306
you are a dumb nigger
fuck you
>>14711549
only niggers and faggots drive kikestangs
>>14711729
kill yourself faggot jew
>>14713914
fuck off swedecuck
>>14719814
/pol/ cuck got fully triggered kek
>>14715898
how come both the camaro and the corvette look better as convertibles?
>>14712241
>Produce ACR levels of performance for half the cost
American't's on pooicide watch.
>>14711306
You're wrong. GM would never authorize a Camaro being faster around a track than a Corvette. It'll have a better suspension package and a bit more power, at best.
It'll be shit. It won't have shit on the Viper, which will be in its price range, and it won't have shit on the Hellcats in terms of power and aesthetics.
Camaro a shit.
>>14723329
Just like the Z/28 was shit huh
>>14711527
>the Oreca 05R was the GOAT LMP2 on it's first race
>>14711554
Nice Toyota
>>14711306
>455 hp with anything less than 93 octane
>>14711794
I'm sorry, has Nissan US, Toyota US or Honda US produced anything but the typical shit stains we see in pic related?
>>14711840
A: Not a race car. Track car.
B: Americans can't make open-wheel cars.
Take Haas F1.
>Italian crewchief
>British staff
>UK designers
>Ferrari engine
>Italian Dallara chassis
America, why do you suck so hard at making cars?
>>14716215
>tons of Muslims
I've met like 4 in my entire life here. I've not seen any of these mudslimes that you claim exist in great numbers. Have fun with Mohammed over there in refugeeville. :^}
