Thoughts on the Crown Vic?
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Thoughts on the Crown Vic?
>>14710864
2003+ or bust
>>14710864
Fedora mobile for poor autists
autism tier
surprised not more people here drive one
>>14710864
My comfy autism barge :D
>>14710866
1998 is serving me well
>>14710864
1998 sleeper, fags always think its a grandpa car, kek.
>>14710864
I like them. It's really hard to find one that isn't a former cop car/taxi, or one that hasn't been molested by a redneck/negro.
>>14710864
I know /o/ loves to shit on these, but they're probably the single best cheap Daily Driver you could ask for.
>Purchase price is cheap
>Parts are cheap and plentiful
>Easy to work on
>God tier reliability
>4 doors
>V8
>RWD
They're very plain aesthetically, but they've also got this underlying brutish masculine quality to them. It's an iconic silhouette that fits in everywhere and doesn't appeal to a single demographic. Old white people, young black people, anyone in any neighborhood might own one of these and it wouldn't be out of place.
The Vic is to land barges what the Miata is to Roadsters. They may not be the best, but they're by far the best for the money. People who hate the Vic are the same kind of people who hate the Miata. Handmedown FWD Econobox driving normies who have never picked up a wrench and think if they can't afford a Lamborghini or Ferrari, then no car is worth driving.
>>14711773
>1998 sleeper
Have you done work to it?
>>14711846
>I like them. It's really hard to find one that isn't a former cop car/taxi, or one that hasn't been molested by a redneck/negro.
Tell me about it. I'd love to pick one up, but I'll probably end up with a MGM for this reason.
>>14710866
Fuck you 95-97 is king.
It's for niggas and autists
>>14712302
No, Town Cars are for niggers.
>>14710864
>oh look another patch of woods gone to be replaced by identical massive houses with no yards
Cops is what I think, also never knew they had v8's in them, never going to try to outrun a cop now.
Stupid land barges that wannabe cops drive. Only available in automatic. It's a cuck wagon.
>HURR DURR MUH CAWP WANNABEES
That's the Interceptor you douchecanoes. Normal Crown Vics are just old man cars.
>>14711354
>>14712051
2003 got a front suspension redesign for better handling.
>>14712811
I don't see the point in getting one of these if it's not a CVPI. If you're just getting a Civilian version wouldn't you be better off going with a Grand Marquis or Towncar?
CVPI grille looks better than the LX anyway and Spotlights are fun as hell. You also get a little more power and a way more aggressive rear end.
>>14712993
Only fags who got stuck with an Civilian version try to justify their purchase over the CVPI. You're getting a much slower, less durable car and LXs don't even have that many more amenities.
>>14713010
This. P71 has heavier suspension and alternator in addition to the more aggressive rear (3.73?), engine tuning and dual exaust.
>>14711945
THIS.
I fully expect Crown Vics to be classic muscle cars 25 years from now.
'91 vic fully loaded
There is literally nothing else you could get for $200 that is more fun
>>14713034
Rears in CVPIs are usually 3.27 or 3.55. Civilian models are an anemic 2.73. A lot of people swap out for 4.10s though.
>>14713119
>>14713119
>I fully expect Crown Vics to be classic muscle cars 25 years from now.
It will be interesting to see. They're already an iconic silhouette due to their frequent use in PD Fleets and Movies. I don't ever see them commanding big money, but I do think they'll continue to be popular cars to mod and over time restore.
I have a 2000 P71.
>No heavy and pointless suspension upgrades keeps weight under 4000 lbs. Never need to turn anyway.
>Stock 3.55 rear. Installed 3600 rpm stall converter and cams to run flat 14s and peg 140mph speedo while still only turning 2000 rpms at 60mph.
>Got the full interior from a junked Grand Marquis for $50. Leather and fake wood trim luxury.
Why can't everyone be as cool as me?
>>14713380
Used Crown Vics are one of those cars you'd really have to be careful with. Especially those that served on the force may be horribly abused. The odometer may give a certain mileage but that still does not account for idle run time, and being floored getting to speed.
I'd say the more sought after models in that time would be the Grand Marquis and the Town Car. Same car, different badges and probably better taken care of.
>>14713119
>I fully expect Crown Vics to be classic muscle cars 25 years from now.
your a idort
>>14713568
also usually with saggy rear suspension, as well as that fucking tiny single inch and a half exhaust.
The bench seat is nice tho.
As a former MGM owner, I'd go civilian crown Vic with hpp package if budget allowed, otherwise a state trooper p71.
>>14713576
Why? Can't argue that it's not one of the most recognizable cars of the past 25 years.
Got in an accident and totaled my 1998 crown vic this week... Had her for 8 years.
Bought it at 80k made it to 160k
Only ever had to replace power steering pump engine coils and a front wheel bearing(my fault). All the work was easy enough to do by myself.
Great cars. Mean motherfuckers.
Only downside was the automatic transmission, and gas milage.
Missin that jew canoe already
>>14713655
>Why?
one, its not a muscle car
two, its a cheap disposable piece of shit only worshiped by delusional fanboy owners
three, "huur ppl know what it iz becuz cop kar" doesnt mean shit
>>14711945
Crown vic Walmart edition
>>14714126
>>14714000
Actually yeah the fact that everyone knows it as a cop car means a lot. The fact that it's memorable is probably the single most important attribute for being a classic car ya dingus.
Also being the last body on frame RWD car with a V8 pretty much guarantees that enthusiasts will continue to be interested in it even if it was never particularly fast in its stock form.
>>14714150
memorable=/=desirable
like i said, only autistic delusional fanboys wish to own one. and they are the only ones who will want it in 25 years time. 1990s LTDs are REAL desirable arent they? lol
>>14714188
They are but there's a lot more supply and it meets demand.
>>14714000
>mfw revered N/A classics from the 50s and 60s are blown away by modern replacement crate engines.
25 years from now, people will look back on it nostalgically. Do you think people appreciated Model As in the 40s? Or Tri-fives in the 70s? They were just moderately old cars. Now they are heirlooms.
As already mentioned, it's the last of the full-size American RWD V8s. I'm not a Ford fanboy by any means, but I want one because they are iconic and simple to work on. A clean P71 in police livery will be worth something, believe it or not.
>>14714188
Well from those years you can choose between Ford, Chevy, Plymouth, etc so none of those cars individually are that desirable though there is definitely a market for 80s/90s full size sedans. But the Crown Vic from 98-2011 was the last of its kind so it will definitely be remembered and desired by enthusiasts. I can personally say my Crown Vic always got way more comments from random people than more "enthusiast" type cars like my foxbody mustang or Celica GT-S. What I'm saying is the Crown Victoria definitely has a space in the pop culture of its era so people will always remember it and certain people will want to own one.
>>14714261
>it's the last of the full-size American RWD V8s
charger, g8, ss
"rwd v8" doesnt mean shit when its a gutless heavy slushbox piece of shit
>>14714281
>and certain people will want to own one
yes, only autistic delusional fanboys
>>14714287
>Mercedes platform
>Australian
>Australian
>>14714490
>they dont count!
they are cool in other countries just not america
Some people in this thread are autistic delusional fanboys and it's not the Crown Vic guys. What's the matter? Did your shitbox lose to some grandma on her way to Golden Corral?
>4 speed automatic boats that are praised by the niglets and heroine addicts
>mpg of a truck
>doesn't have the same utilities of a truck
>high rpm on the highway
>>14714572
Funny you should mention Crown Vics not having the utility of trucks since I've actually towed a 20ft boat with mine...
>>14711945
>v8
>good daily driver
>>14714785
20ft plywood boat
>>14710864
is this guy like 4 foot tall?
the car looks giant compared to him
>>14714821
Yeah those cars aint tall. Hes a manlet
>>14714796
It's been my only car and daily driver for a year and a half now. What's the problem? Currently doing 200 miles a weekend and getting 21-22mpg.
>>14714510
The g8 and SS is literally built in Australia. I sort of agree the vic isn't the last "American" sedan. But it is the last body on frame car and maybe the last one that was fully American designed.
>>14711945
>but I'll probably end up with a MGM for this reason.
nothing wrong with a grand marquis.
I particularly like the late 90's models, with "Mercury" printed on the front bumper. I have a fetish for the name of the car/brand featured as more than just some letters pasted on the trunk.
also that grey-blue the GM came in was really nice
>>14714796
>being this much of a poorfag
>>14714854
>body on frame car
why does anyone think this is a good thing? heavy, cant turn, heavy...
>bbbut its strong like a truck!
>>14714320
or someone who wants a reliable V8 large sedan, the Crown Vic being the last of that kind of car, and having stock reaching to as recently as 2011 thanks to the commercial/cop version.
though Sandy decimated loads of them. New York would still have far more Crown Vic Cops and Taxis if not for Sandy.
>>14714906
Crown vics are lighter than the LX platform (chargers and challengers) and the new Ford Taurus.
>>14714934
about 200lb lighter, and over 200hp less...
also horribly antiquated chassis/suspension
>>14713010
>>14712993
>tfw wannabe cucks driving piss barf and semen covered shitwagon while I cruise in glorious sterile comfort in my LX
also
>less durable
LOL. Suspension on a P71 is about 15x more likely to require work than the standard LX, everything else is pretty much the same
>>14714950
Still lighter
>200hp less
Less than what? All these new cars have at least 2 engine options starting with a 300hp v6
>>14714962
i thought we were talking v8s, faggot
>>14712993
>CVPI grille looks better than the LX anyway
subjective. The black commercial grille is so common with taxis and Cops, that the standard grille actually looks exotic by comparison
>>14714965
Ok a 375hp vs 250hp or the 300hp 4.6 DOHC. That's not 200hp difference.
>complaining about dding a V8
>not being able to afford gas
>not wanting cheap parts and very simple repair, even OEM from dealership is cheap af
>not wanting something with heavy duty suspension for shitty roads
>not wanting to not have to worry about bumps and potholes
>not wanting something durable
>not wanting a time tested and law enforcement approved platform
>not wanting a super comfy highway cruiser
>not wanting a car with a fuck huge trunk
>not wanting rwd
>not wanting 8 cylinders
>not wanting a full frame
>not wanting one of the last examples of the classic american sedan
>not wanting a simple body design that still has a confident masculine air without looking like an angry vaccum cleaner (looking at you lexus)
I dont even have autism, every girl Ive taken out on dates in my Crown Vics have always commented about how comfortable it is and how safe they felt in it. All my CVs have been very dependable and havent cost me much aside from maintenance. The big engine makes the heater blow very toasty which is great when it's -35°c outside.
>>14714976
challenger scatpck is 485hp
>>14715001
Would rather corolla
>>14714953
I had a 2003 P74 LX until some faggot in a bro truck t-boned me.
I replaced it with a 2011 P71 CVPI and Im not looking back, litterally better in every way and much funner to drive. Only thing I miss frlm my LX is the dimming rearview mirror.
Either way, panther platform stronk. Car saved my life as well as both my passengers.
>>14715007
That's a $40+ grand car. And you're comparing it to something police departments could get for $20 grand maybe cheaper.
>>14715022
You probably could have taken the mirror off and put it on your new CVPI.
>>14715018
Why?
>>14715040
Probably, not sure how I would have made the wiring work though. Im shit at electrical. I may go get the one thats sitting at my local scrapyard right now if its plug and play.
>>14715051
It's a better car m8.
>>14710864
Ausfag here i love them but i hate their engines.
Do people engine swap the shit 4.xlitre iron pos v8 out or?
Looks like it would love a 5.7 swap
>>14715056
The only advantage I see is fuel economy and maybe drivetrain advantage in winter other wise id take the CV over it.
>>14715067
Usually they put a 4.6 DOHC 4 valve in as opposed to the standard 4.6 SOHC 2 valve
>>14715056
I had a 92. It was completely boring as fuck and I hated it but it was damn near indestructible and got decent mileage when the AC was off. I much prefer V8 barges.
>>14714934
And literally have the chassis dynamics of a truck.
>>14715074
so if i ever get my hands on one with a dohc and cams how much would it put out at the wheels?
happy easter
>>14715070
Cheaper
Easier to work on
Ultra reliable
Ultra simple
Comes in hatch, wagon, sedan, coupe
FWD, rwd, and awd.
What's not to like?
>>14715079
You say that as if CVs arent shit simple to work on senpai
>>14715079
>rwd, and awd.
And these are extremely rare even in aus/jp/nz
>>14715077
Like 300 hp but paired with a 4.10 rear end theyre pretty agressive. Also they can handle alot of boost pressure on stock internals with reliability so most guys do 4v engine and a supercharger combo.
>>14715077
>>14715067
The 4.6 DOHC is popular because it requires no modification to swap. There is an issue with 2005+ swaps because the newer vics have dbw throttle bodies. The 4.6 DOHC is an aluminum block so it's still a different engine and more expensive to mod. They say you can make 400rwhp with the stock engine with stock internals. If you plan on more than that then swap the engine.
>>14715079
Corollas are great but they cant compare the ruggedness of a panther. Panthers can withstand very agressive driving and severe conditions
>>14715098
Wut?
>>14715079
>whats not to like
Anemic heaters and cold weather operation because lol4cylinders
Also its impossible to find one thar hasnt been neglected by some immigrant unless you buy new one because a majority of corolla owners have the mindset that they dont need maintenance and also owned by cheap penny pinching cheapos.
Panthers are either driven by the police who are rigourous with maintenance intervals or old people who have nothing better to do but maintain them
>>14715104
>posting something you found on google built by a slav or redneck
>is clearly also modified to those driving conditions
grasping at straws
>>14714953
>Suspension on a P71 is about 15x more likely to require work than the standard LX
How do you figure?
Not all p71s are city cruisers slamming potholes and curbs all day long.
>>14715156
He doesn't own either and doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>14713576
>your a idort
>your
>idort
Look in the fucking mirror, you little bitch.
>>14710864
literally the autism special
V8 bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uH_X-9fjfI
a car for people with small dick desu senpai.
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>>14710864
I just bought a police interceptor version of this the other day. For the amount of miles it's seen plus god knows how much idling, it's in amazing condition, especially for the price I got it at.
No warning lights on the dash, good oil pressure, voltage, fluids, etc., and it sounds awesome. It might have a slight pin hole in the exhaust that amplifies it, but not to the point that I'd wake up my neighbors, so I'll leave that alone for now. It turns and goes without a problem. I just can't get enough of these panthers. If you're on the fence about it, just get one.
However, to my dismay, I ran into a glaring flaw
>buy car from Mexican dealer
>probably bought it at an auction
>take it home to find the tire pressure at lol 42psi, bleed it back down
>everything's fine
>come outside next day, smell gas, there's a leak under the back, fug.jpg
>inspect it, there's a leak under the tank and epoxy everywhere, wakemeupinside.png
WAT do guys please help, how much is this going to cost?
>>14717207
Max psi on police tires is 44psi. Can get a new fuel tank from a junk yard pretty cheap I'm guessing.
>>14717261
Thanks for the info
>>14714287
Arent we talking about sedans here, fuccboi?
>>14714796
Dude honestly, this car isn't for everyone...
Yuropoor please,... Get out
>>14714810
Still a boat son, and 20ft of ply wood doesn't just float son, that trailer weighs some too, son.
>>14714906
>like a truck
>like
Yes, I like that a lot
>>14714953
>sterile
If you bought it used and didn't have it completely clean interior and exterior, the filth is your own fault not the car, cocksuck.
>>14715018
THIS KEK
>>14715104
>wut
As if they all came like that. Underage please kill yourself
The standard whirring/whooshing sound was weird a first but now I love that quirky acceleration sound, never been more comfy in a car
ALSO, around how much do these cost to paint, I have a 2 tone blk/white and it needs to not be that way.
Inb4: prices vary by place (duh, just ballpark me)
Harmmmpgf
>>14710864
Bump
>>14713473
Did the grand marquis also have a front bench seat?
>>14713207
have plug, is diesel?
>>14711945
>Tell me about it. I'd love to pick one up, but I'll probably end up with a MGM for this reason.
Grand Marquis are literally just Crown Vic's with different badging and equipment differences.
>>14717609
a block heater isn't just a diesel-only thing.
>>14717207
>bought from mexican
>fueltank leaking
you bought a car that brought drugs across the border. replace the tank and carry on.
anybody else have pic related under their p71?
>>14717540
They all do. They have a split but they extend to make a middle seat together. Only ones that have full buckets are police cars or ones with a center console.
>>14711945
supercharger, air intake kit, power stop brakes, accel coil kit, ngk sparks, and magna exhaust kit
going to start interior and body work next.
Really considering buying one of these
There's a 2003 for sale with 60k miles on it for 8k that's a 8 hour drive (one way) from me that I can tow with my truck
Or there's another 2004 (only 1200 black 2004s were made) with 30k miles on it for 12k but it's literally across the country I would have to fly out and check it out, and either drive 40+ hours back or ship it via train.
I also have no room to store it unless I parked my truck on the street
>>14718067
Honestly, Marauders aren't worth the money unless you absolutely love the car in stock form for some reason. You'll never see your money back out of modifying one and if you plan to do serious mods, you might as well get a CV MGM and mod it for a fraction of the cost. In stock form they're slower than a fwd 96 Cadillac. They're also slower than a CVPI with 3.55s to 30mph. After 30 they begin to open up and climb the cams, but as someone who's Father owned one... they simply aren't worth it.
>>14718137
I dunno why I want one, other than they're rare and will continue to be rare.
I think I'd keep it stock, but tune it and throw in different gears I know I'd never get my money back but I doubt id sell it
>>14718137
This.
Marauders are modern boomermobiles. Limited production is the only reason they're worth anything.
For 4k you can get a cherry LX, CVPI, MGM or TC.... No way in hell is a DOHC making 50 more HP worth the 2x-4x hike in price.
>>14718158
>I dunno why I want one, other than they're rare
There you have it... they're rare. Other than that, it's just another Panther making as much power as you would from a 2v with a few mods.
>>14718189
Eh already had a cvpi, just looking for a summer car, current dd is my f150
Let me dispel some myths.
>HURR MUH COP ENGINE
Only thing different about the P71 long block physically is (maybe) head gaskets. The rest is down to tune, the intake/exhaust being slightly larger, 3.27 minimum diff ratio, and a smaller, higher-revving torque converter.
>P71 better frame, more durable, better handling
The P71 handles slightly better because of the bigger swaybars (front is actually smaller than the LX Sport) stiffer shocks/springs, and maybe, MAYBE a slightly reinforced frame. It's still floppy in stock form because the Watts link and rear control arms are shitty stamped steel, the swaybars are too small, and the tires are shit. Replace these three things and it's a night-and-day difference.
>gutless
It gets out of its own way, and that's about it. 3.73 gears make it feel a bit better. Still sounds godly.
>>14712818
They also got improvements to the rear suspension, like moving the shocks further outboard for better leverage.
>>14715252
Oooooooooohoo shots fired te he he!
They're comfortable, reliable and cheap. Sure they're not for everyone, they're fuck huge, gas mileage isn't the best but you're buying a V8 so the sign is on the door there.
I like them.
>>14718067
I'd get the 2003. Pretty good deal. The 2004 is good too but almost too good. And ultra low milage would make you afraid to drive it.
>>14712782
>never knew they had v8's in them, never going to try to outrun a cop now.
It's the same 4.6 V8 as the early 4th gen Mustang GTs, but it's also a massively heavy landbarge so any big power is nil.
You shouldn't be trying to outrun them anyway, you might be faster than a Crustang but I guarantee you're not faster than a Motorola.
>>14717147
mr. regufur please go
>>14712818
>better handling
> on a literal landbarge
>>14719837
To be fair handling is actually pretty decent for a car that size
>>14719837
>>14719879
Not to mention it has no driving AIDS either, no traction control or esp. A traction control was available but can be fully turned off.
>>14710864
that car makes you look shorter than you are already, manlet.
>>14719879
no it isnt, at all.
>>14719928
>tfw want to buy a panther but being a 5'4" king of the manlets will make me look even shorter
>>14719961
Lower it. P71s have like 6 inches of ground clearance.
>>14719971
I don't want to lower a car with how shitty the roads are around me.
>>14719975
I'd rather get a giant car than getting a smaller car just to look bigger.
>>14714910
>New York would still have far more Crown Vic Cops and Taxis if not for Sandy.
and because every NY cabbie i ever spoke to who drove anything besides a CV was like "fuck yes, i love this thing, much easier to drive in the city and much better mileage"
>>14720009
At my height the only thing that can make me look taller is a Big Wheel.
Life is pain.
>>14715022
you'd have been even safer in a car with a unibody chassis and side air bags
>>14717120
>That crap intake and intake runner design
dohoho
>>14715001
>not wanting a simple body design that still has a confident masculine air without looking like an angry vaccum cleaner (looking at you lexus)
My fucking sides dude
