What's the biggest scam in the automobile world?
Snow and summer tires? Oil changes every 5k miles? Turbo?
I'd say planned obsolescence for particular parts
>>14708129
Safety features. Al you really need is a seat belt and that's about it.
insurance is the biggest scam
"maintenance free"
"sealed for life"
"lifetime fluid"
Sports cars.
Auto's are supposed to get you from point A to point B. There couldn't be anything more different than "sports" cars and real sports cars.
>>14708154
Wasn't there something about auto death rates increasing after airbags because people thought "lol fuck seatbelts"?
>>14708191
>lifetime blinker fluid was a scam
That bastard Jersey mechanic is gonna pay
>>14708150
Planned obsolescence is just a meme, g-guy.
>>14708129
>What's the biggest scam in the automobile world?
Insurance
>>14708281
Winner winner
>>14708207
>what is fun
>>14708129
Blind spot detection, lane-keeping tech, having an iPad in the dashboard, anything less than 6 cylinders having a turbo, soapbox-y designs that make the car "safer" when in reality car companies are just getting lazy, keyless entry, push-button starts, wifi, more like why the fuck, plastic covers over the engine, and last but most certainly not least, literally any whole new car that you drive off the lot.
>>14708129
Dealerships, bar none. There's no bigger scam than the laws keeping dealerships in existence allowing them to operate the way they do.
Metric bolts in my american v8 pickup
Moonroofs
bait threads
Manual transmissions for modern cars
>but I need to push my engine to the limit and get from 0 to the speed limit of 45 as fast and efficiently as possible
>i'd rather replace the clutch 30 times than replace the whole transmission once
>gotta make more noise vrrrm vrrrm
Trucks still have excuses.
>>14708211
First gen airbags were practically mines in your dashboard. Even today there is still recalls on modern airbags because in some case they send shrapnel in your face.
>>14708559
I kinda agree with this, but on the same token I also kinda don't
>>14708509
>>14708281
>>14708162
People claiming insurance are either 12 or dipshits. Insurance is the only thing stopping you from getting stuck with a 30K medical bill when Jose runs a red light and t-bones you in his ancient S-10 full of weed eaters
>>14708129
Probably would say document/destination fees, with any sort of dealer added bullshit like paint protection
>>14708817
> have shitbox with 160k miles
> still on original clutch, no signs of wear
>>14708129
>oil change every 6 months
>>14708831
I don't see how there couldn't be shrapnel. It's basically a small contained bomb with a plastic shell going off in your face.
It scares me quite honestly. What if it goes off when my hand is in an odd position and it gets blown off? I'd rather just have the belt.
>>14708207
>Auto's are supposed to get you from point A to point B
Why are you even here
The biggest scam is using salt on the roads. Governments purposely use salt to rust and wear vehicles so that people spend more on mechanic work and new vehicles in order to stimulate the economy.
>>14708129
Tow trucks
>>14708129
>Turbo?
you fucking faggot
>>14708162
You are retarded.
>>14708545
>turbo in less than 6 cylinders
Nope
>>14709156
Just paid $80 to get my trailer out of a mud hole.
An hour of work for $80 is crazy but it was my only option.
>Snow and summer tires?
t. all season soccer mom
>>14709150
I'm gonna go with this.
>>14709150
Jokes on you, no salt is used here just sand, which has large gravel stones in it sometimes, goodbye windshields
>>14708865
>285k and mine just wore out
>can replace it myself easily anyway
>>14709180
what is wrong with 4 cylinder turbos?
>>14708843
>People claiming insurance are either 12 or dipshits. Insurance is the only thing stopping you from getting stuck with a 30K medical bill when Jose runs a red light and t-bones you in his ancient S-10 full of weed eaters
t. someone never hit by someone without insurance
I'm sure glad I pay out my fucking shit leaking asshole for my fucking 'boys in blue gun to the fucking head such a good idea it's fucking mandatory' liability insurance when I can get hit by a fucking illegal spic ballin straight out of Honduras driving a piece of fucking shit metro at forty five fucking miles per fucking hour on the fucking interstate that she sucked off Jaffe at the fucking smog station to get it illegally passed with a 2006 civic with no fucking insurance and that shitsucking cunt doesn't even go to fucking jail let alone back to her fucking shithole country along with her soccer team worth of motherfucking anchor babies
"Mandatory" insurance is a god damn lie. Live a little you fucking 20 year old.
Octane boosters, fuel additives, engine oil "repair" fluids (smoke stop, gasket sealant, leak stop, etc).
>>14708129
Speed limits. Outside of neighborhood streets and school zones anyway.
>snow tires
>scam
What the fuck, OP?
>>14709237
How the fuck is driving a car without insurance even possible in the US, and more importantly why does it continue being possible and why isn't anyone fixing it?
Here in Germany you need proof of insurance to even register your car, and then you get papers to send to your insurance with your registration on them, when you cancel your insurance they'll send a note to the registration office saying you've cancelled it, and if you don't turn in your plates voluntarily they'll send the police to get them after a few weeks.
>>14709222
Windshields are easier to replace than parts of the body or frame. When your car becomes so old that you need to worry about finding a new windshield you just make it a summer car like you would elsewhere, but at least it won't be rusted to shit.
Seriously, how come americans are too stupid for logic stuff?
Winter tires will save your life because of easy logic things. Using manual is not hard whatsoever if you got how it works.
American people should probably just drive some scooters since obviously you can't give them cars.
Cars that go real fast in countries you can never go real fast legally anyway.
>>14708885
>What if it goes off when my hand is in an odd position and it gets blown off?
That's why you don't put your hand flat centre on the wheel you fucking momo
>>14709369
>legally
>>14709377
In Germany you can drive your 160mph without being afraid of consequences as long you are doing it in the designated speeding streets : ^)
>>14709369
I feel you there. My standard issue late 1990's family sedan could go double the speed limit anywhere in the city if it didn't have a speed limiter. What do you want to do, go triple the speed limit everywhere!?
>>14709390
Or you could just grow a pair and do it anyway
>>14708545
clearly you don't understand the op. most of the features you named work perfectly fine and just because you don't need them doesn't mean they are a scam. might aswell say tampons are a scam.
>>14708545
This, that just makes people pay less attention. Keep that shit for self driving cars
Big touch screens
>much more difficult to use than normal buttons
>can't replace them
>will be seen as absoultely terrible and dated after 5 years, because technology advances so fast
Mercedes-Benz takes the crown for their fugly TomToms glued to the dashboard. Tesla is only a few steps behind them.
>>14709150
What's the alternative?
>>14709424
Sand and telling drivers to fucking use winter tires instead of their horse shit all seasons because muh 200 bucks saved over 10 years.
>>14708885
I've had one go off, and I had a car with the takeda airbag recall (sharpnel bags) and it didn't even hurt that bad!
>>14708129
That you can wind up paying, like, £20,000 extra for what is literally the same engine with a different ECU tune, but if you had that same tune performed by a third party for a price that actually reflected its cost you could kiss goodbye to your warranty.
DPF filters hands down. EGR valves. Thinking cars relate to global warming. Any norm above euro4. Safety normes resulting in significantly increased car weight (airbags and belts are fine).
Also, downsizing. How the fuck is making 1.0-15 turbo or twin turbo, when they won't make 200k km economical or ecological?
>>14709443
Sand and grit has the problem of needing cleanup in the spring and eroding the streets like fuck. Salt just washes away in the storm drains.
Also, that new a/c gas. R1234yf I think.
>>14709557
That's real simple, because most cars of that caliber won't be driven much past 200k anyway. By the time a car with a 1 to 1.5 liter engine (meaning a compact or subcompact city car) racks up that many kilometers chances are that over ten years have passed and the next generation of tiny-ass even more economical cars have come out that trup the old generation of tiny-ass city cars in fuel economy thrice over.
It's not planned obsolescense... it's aggressive optimization. Sure, there's always the odd one out that will take it to the limit and try to drive his Smart or Twingo until he clips half a million klicks but that's most likely not what the designer intended / expected the machine to ever reach, so he didn't build it capable of going that far without exchanging half of its internals.
>>14709568
Yes, but when I want a lets say Peugeot 207, I get shit options for longer touring. Shame really, cause its a comfy car, but when I travel a lot, but alone, a small car is all I need. But all the small cars have shit engines nowadays:/ I want simple n/a 1.8 thats it. LPG it and there. But nooooo, I can`t have that, I get 1.4 turbo with di.
>>14709559
And erodes surrounding soil.
>>14709575
The engine size isn't even critical here, that downsizing carries through everything. Clutch, gearbox internals, driveshafts, everything that can be expected to be used for a shorter period of time will be shrunk until the expected time of failure is maybe 10% over the expected amount of kilometers it'll do before it's out of fashion or completely outdated. You cannot get a dankass vehicle unless you spring for some ricer edition that has a souped up engine by default that requires a stronger powertrain and everything else behind it. Or just go Jap and get literally anything they make that is above Keicar size. The Keicars absorb the "tiny-ass cars" market they have, cars above that grade ought to be halfway solid. Hothatches in general could be your thing.
Protip: get a Toyota Yaris with the Prius engine. Yes, it is the exact same engine as in the Prius but in the Yaris it's a lot more fun since that Yaris is a lot smaller. They only shrunk down the battery pack a little.
>>14709617
Meh, I said "fuck it" some time ago. Current dd is e60 3.0 diesel. Which gets same mpg on the highway as modern small petrol cars.
>>14708817
You're a fucking retard kys plz go and stay go
Clutches don't wear that fast
>>14709350
I've seen proofs it works.
>proofs
>>14708545
>keyless entry
Uhhh, no? I installed a remote keyless entry on my '96 A4 because fuck opening locks like some kind of a primitive fucking yokel, keyless entry is the best. Pic related.
And OP, separate tires for winter and summer aren't a scam. I live in Finland and if I were to drive studless or all-season when we get snow and ice, I would be in a ditch for sure. We had a party at this cabin and had 5 cars with us, the dirt road got iced over the day we were leaving, so here's how it went.
Out of the five, two had studless, which meant that we had to have three people on each side of the car while it was trying to go up a hill, so that it wouldn't slide into a ditch. One RWD and two FWD with worn out studs managed to go up the hill without the people on the sides having to touch the car.
Now, I want safety in the winter and performance in the summer, so I have two different tires, the winter tires on non-damaged aluminium rims cost me 230€ used, a low price to pay for comfort and safety. Just look at all the videos from murricuh where fucktards slide their AWD incest-machines into other cars when you get a little bit of snow "oh wow there rly wuz no grib gid dangit".
Not a fucking scam, not by a long shot.
>>14708129
>What's the biggest scam in the automobile world?
electric superchargers
>>14709332
Fuck, in most states in America you don't need to have proof of a fucking driver's license to register your car.
>>14709718
>'96 A4
>isn't a yokel
lmao m8
enjoy your pseudoluxury
>>14709728
GERMAN ENGINEERING is the biggest scam in the auto world.
>>14709150
You're close, but that's not the biggest scam.
They've started using liquid brine solutions of salt and either magnesium chloride or calcium chloride.
You think the salt is bad? The chlorides can turn to acids and attack the metal of your vehicle in temperatures as low as 20F.
And that stuff mixes in with the slush on the road and gets in every nook and cranny on the underside of your car. I've seen 2010 cars that the rocker panels are going out on already.
>>14708522
>>14709105
>What is a joke?
>>14709150
Salt is fucking expensive.
>stimulate the economy via rust and mechanic work
Broken window fallacy
>>14708129
General Motors.
>>14708817
Average clutch life is like 120k miles, most people usually end up selling their car by then for something else that's new anyways.
While the person who bought it from them can have it replaced and it run til the car probably dies in 200k mile range.
>>14709350
This.
>>14709332
IIRC only one state in the US allows people to drive with no insurance so its not a common occurrence.
>>14709237
If anything this post has shown you to be less than 20 ese.
I used to think that way but honestly when you get older and get screwed over enough times you realize that it does make a shit load of sense.
>>14708129
OP are you fucking retarded?
>>14709718
what the literal fuck i got keyless entry in my Daewoo, who the fuck actually unlocks his doors with a fucking key these days ?
>>14710423
You win!
Here's what's actually in it:
http://www.sueschauls.com/Seafoam_motor_treatment.pdf
I read the MSDS on all my additives and cleaning solvents then buy the same things without branding.
>>14708591
>Metric bolts in my american v8 pickup
Not a scam because vehicle sales and parts sourcing are global and anyone younger than their fifties has had fucking decades to adapt to metric.
>>14710467
kill yourself
>>14708885
>I don't see how there couldn't be shrapnel.
Check a salvage yard to see how most bags have opened. Bags work far better than no bag and statistics prove it. The Takata airbag fuckup may kill the company but windshield facials used to kill and maim a shitload of people. Ample stats on mortality per miles travelled available if you are interested.
>>14708843
If I got a new mustang I'd have to pay 600 a month in insurance because I hit a fence last year. Insurance is a scam if you're under 25.
>>14709156
>Tow trucks
Not a scam. Price a wrecker or more commonly, a rollback fully equipped since wreckers only pick one car and most accidents need two vehicles removed. If you don't have a rollback you typically can't get on local police towing rotation list. Add shop/office, tools and equipment, storage lot, business insurance, taxes, cost of processing abandoned vehicles by magistrate to get title then auction or sell them (usually for peanuts). driver wages, vehicle maintenance, etc etc.
>>14709557
>Safety normes resulting in significantly increased car weight (airbags and belts are fine).
You may not like the weight, but unless you are rich enough to pay for lighter crash-resistant construction modern safety standards work very well and the numbers bear it out. Want light vehicle? Buy a motorcycle.
>>14709617
Good protip! Fucking Yotas appear to be immortal.
>>14708129
>snow tires are a scam
Wait, are you talking about all season tires or studded ones?
Because if you've ever driven on snow or ice without studded tires vs. with studded tires, you immediately, like the second you engage the clutch know the difference.
>>14709150
Not true.
>what is rust protection
>>14710032
This. Making cars complicated on purpose to prevent doing ANY maintenance yourself. Fucking hate it when people bring their german crapbuckets to the shop, since tons of the newer ones don't even have a fucking DIPSTICK, the hole for it is there but no dipstick, just a fucking plastic plug. Fuck all VAG cars to hell, they used to be quite good way, way back but now they are overengineered shitheaps, that can even give an authorized VAG mechanic a headache.
>>14710473
Negative on the suicide. Sorry you are too lame a mechanic that you care about having US fasteners on your ride. If it's that important, get a nice older Chevy/Ford/Dodge/International/Jeep pickup and wallow in Imperial thread goodness.
Shit, get more than one. I did. Fave is '76 dentside F100 w. F250 frame, F350 springs, Lincoln 460 and a C6. It's hauled many "other brands" to the shredder.
>>14710507
People on this board have no idea the cost of actually running a business because they all work as baggers as a grocery store or are NEET
>>14709240
I will say the one time I have used a radiator stop leak, it worked. I know it's a bandaid fix, but still, I was impressed. Also, seafoam does work quite well on carbs.
>>14710592
Or maybe you're just incompetent at managing your expenses.
>>14710609
How does seafoam work on proteins and fiber?
>>14709150
>>14709222
>>14710047
To be honest if you live in a state where the roads are regularly salted, and you don't undercoat your vehicle every winter, you deserve the rust.
Its literally $150 a year to keep your undercarriage new
>>14710635
Works well! I get sick gains, bro.
>>14710660
Sweet breh, I always wanted to activate my pistons for maximum engine block gains
>carlets don't even know about my turbo
The three levels of a carwash.
Hell getting a carwash at all is a scam. It's as easy as having water, a cloth and detergent.
>>14708129
Torque to yield bolts.
>>14710667
you need to activate your almonds.
thank me later
>>14710386
>Salt is fucking expensive.
I guess that's why we're piling up mountains of it in Germany.
>>14710710
Annoying to replace, but not a scam.
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2001/02/threaded-fasteners-torque-to-yield-and-torque-to-angle/
>>14710732
Gold is still valuable even if you have a mountain of it, given that it's not for public use.
I know some women who paid $500 for nitrogen in the tires. Pretty messed up.
>>14710716
Does that require milk?
>>14708129
""""""""German Engineering""""""""
>>14708129
>Snow and summer tires?
If anything all season tires are a scam, dedicated summer/winter tires makes all the difference
>Oil changes every 5k miles?
I got 5k on my oil, I guess I could go longer but thats like 8 months of driving for me
>Turbo
How the fuck are turbos a scam?
>>14708129
How are snow tires a scam?
>>14710752
>Pay 76 bucks a month for insurance on my shit box
>Some teen in moms mini van lost control and t boned me 3 weeks ago
>Shit box totaled, neck is fucked up
>My insurance had a Mercedes SUV rental for me the next day, can keep it till I get a settlement
>Meanwhile I go to a posh rehab and get a "therapeutic" massage 3 times a week and a chiropractic adjustments once a week
>My settlement will be enoufe to cover a brand new WRX with enoufe left over to pay off student loans
Insurance is great
>>14709232
oh a 700,000 miles on my automatic and i never even had to replace the headlights
Parts sold at OE prices that are cheap china junk inside. I've gotten OE ACdelco and MOPAR parts at OE prices but open it up and see china stamped garbage inside. Least with Doorman I know I'm getting garbage.
>>14710851
most bullshit I've read all week
idf please go
>>14710865
Underage child please go
>>14709170
Saved
>>14708129
$500 and an afternoon
>>14710865
U r dumb
>>14708129
>Snow and summer tires?
as expected from a cancerous twingo memer
>>14709170
What possessed him to marry her?
>>14708162
+1. It's a decent system but executed very poorly. You pay and pay and pay just in case something happens, then you finallu get in a fender bender that costs a couple grand to fix. Then they jack up your rates for the next 5 years because you had an accident.
So those next 5 years you are basically paying back the insurance company on a loan they gave you to fix your car. What about the 10 prior years with no accidents where you paid them nearly $15k in monthly installments for absolutely nothing?
>>14712004
Southern United Statesians often marry their siblings
>>14710752
>german engineering
>>14712004
What possessed him to have 3 more kids after that first potato? They should've all been left on a hillside shortly after birth.
Oh and on the topic of insurance, keeping these worthless lumps of cells alive is one of the reasons people pay $400/mo for health insurance.
>>14709150
Not a scam per se, but its a very damaging solution to a problem that would be fixed by just simply plowing & scraping the roads properly, and focusing on people getting the proper tires and know-how
Sugar does pretty much the exact same and isn't corrosive, but its sadly way too expensive.
If anything I think marketing is as much of a "scam" as it gets in the automotive world, with companies pushing unnecessary cars onto people who could do just fine with other types. You have people living in the middle of a city that never gets any snow or ice, with no partner, kids or animals, no need to tow anything or fill the boot at all, and yet you'll see people buying and driving crossovers instead of a small hatchback that would do much better for them in pretty much every aspect of their driving
Also, some dealers try fooling people into thinking that their warranty is void unless they get their car serviced at an official dealer/brand workshop, which is absolute horseshit and actually illegal to say here. As long as the garage is approved by the state the warranty is in no danger if you get it serviced absolutely anywhere
>>14709150
t. paranoid schizo
down with the gubmit amirite
>>14708545
>>14708281
This. In Michigan you pay 4 to 5 times the price of normal emergency room fees if the accident is auto related, and insurance reflects that bullshit.
>>14708281
I agree with you about 75% It's nice to have coverage and shit, but I've found that realistically insurance companies would rather bitch and moan and try not to pay or cover things than actually do what you pay them for.
>>14708559
yep
>>14708591
metric is superior to imperial
>>14709350
Depends on what your end goal is, if it's scaring the neighbors and putting up a huge smoke screen, it's a fucking blast.
>>14712248
It's just arbitrary numbers. It's not superior in amything but scientific experiments. For daily average joe it doesn't matter at all.
Volvo heartbeat/intruder detection
http://youtu.be/BUsg8R2DVj4
>>14708843
When I was shopping for a car, many dealers would drop the doc fee with very little prodding.
>>14712279
Volvo's been going overboard with the unecessary tech stuff lately, even moreso than other automakers because muh safety
>>14709237
WHAT THE FUCKING YOU SAY?!?!
>>14712033
This, I think insurance companies should cover some expendables for every X years you go without an accident.
>go five years with a clean record
Awesome, here's $400, go get a new set of tires because you probably need them or brakes or whatever.
>>14709390
DESIGNATED
>>14708129
insurance by far
>>14709336
>mfw I just bought a 30 year old wagon that needs a windshield
>>14712394
>even moreso than other automakers because muh safety
When your cars are so ridiculously boring, you need something you can market to people. Safety is a huge selling point to normies
>>14712279
Cut the shit volvo, Give us hectic skid turbo i5 awd box wagons god damnit.
>>14712797
They're all i4 hybrids now. i5, i6 and V8 engines weren't progressive and safe enough.
>>14709557
Came here to say this.
Also:
smog pumps
catalytic converters
EGR
plastic headlights.
hybrid vehicles
>>14712698
Just replace it with plastic for mad weight savings.
>>14712052
Forgot the name of the disorder but it only causes your face to look weird.
The mother and children have perfectly normal IQs.
european cars in general...
>>14713316
which are all pretty much this...>>14708150
Auto shops. Duh.
>Oh well you see, your car had this very specific thing in it that broke and I'm going to have to take it up on the lift to get to it. That'll be 1400, goyim.
>>14713313
Called incest and its consequences
>>14713313
It kinda looks like Grave's disease. It can run in a family, but you're not born with it like that, and it usually doesn't manifest until later in life.
>>14712052
Actually, it turns out that they're triplets with a rare disease. The blond boy on the left is just an ugly little shit.
>>14708843
we cant cover you for that because
>obscure bullshit edge case clause number 9001
>>14712039
Actually, interfamily marriage is pretty rare in the U.S. compared to global averages
>>14714133
Can we just nuke the arabs already?
>>14714147
We'd just wind up with with more rapefugees in civilized countries
>>14714196
not if we kill them all johnny
>>14714218
It's like shooting a wolf
You got to make sure you kill it in one go, or it'll just come back angrier and even more violent
