You have to buy a family sedan.
>It must be FWD
>It must be brand new
>It must cost less than 30k.
What do you pick?
>>14681763
E39 540i. Fuck your gay rules.
>>14681763
For the sake of the hypothetical, a Camry.
>New and FWD
Yeah nah, fuck your rules mate. I'm importing a Chaser. The missus and my kids can just deal with it.
>>14681763
Focus st
Acura ILX base model.
>201HP K24
>8 speed DCT with a torque converter for smoothness and fast shifts
>dem jewel-eye headlamps
>Honda reliability
>inb4 just get a Civic Si
Try to order a Civic Si with that transmission. Oh wait. You can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykn8E-Zjby4
VW GLI
>It must be brand new
'no'
Used Pontiac Grand Prix GTP or Buick Regal GS.
>>14681807
OP said sedan. The ST is hatchback only. Try again.
>>14681763
Octavia VRS. Possibly the most viciously sensible driver's car on sale today.
>>14681763
jetta
ez
>>14681809
It's shit. Consumer Reports loves Honda but they didn't have nice things to say about the ilx.
This.
>>14681809
>8 speed DCT with a torque converter for smoothness and fast shifts
Seriously? What is the point of it? It would propably make shifts slower, so where's the advantage of the DCT?
>>14681872
The ILX got a HUGE update for 2016. The 2.0L and hybrid are gone. 2.4L only now.
The 6 speed manual is gone as well as the archaic 5 speed automatic. All models get Honda's new torque converter DCT.
And the retarded packaging is gone.
And it's even better looking now.
And despite the 201 HP K24 and automatic, it's faster than the closest competitor, the Buick Verano Turbo (250 HP) with the 6 speed manual.
>>14681899
According the Honda, the torque converter is there to solve the jerkiness commonly associated with DCT transmissions. DCTs are generally jerky around town at low speeds. That's where the torque converter comes in. The torque converter itself has no bearing on shift quality. It shifts as fast as a DCT and as smooth as an old 1990's Buick.
>>14681763
suicide
>>14681931
Well yeah that would solve it, but how is it any better than an 8 speed automatic?
>>14681763
tranlation: help me buy a car
>>14681960
because DCT.
A dual clutch transmission, by design has lighting shifts because while you're in one gear, the next gear is already selected and spinning. the transmission disengages one clutch, and activates the other, enabling lightning quick shifts.
Here's an animation to explain it better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8aGgSbtoJE
>>14681908
Well, maybe you're right. Seems like this guy confirms your words.
https://youtu.be/crIkJqRYjTQ?t=1m58s
>>14681763
Honda Accord EX-L
>>14681987
Yeah but your engine is connected to your wheels through a viscous coupling, so no matter how fast it shifts, you still get that floatiness in the acceleration you have with automatic transmissions that is due to the torque converter.
In a regular DCT (as well as a manual), you wheels are connected directly to the engine, and that's a major point they both have over automatic.
If you stick a torque converter on a DCT, you basically get an automatic that shifts a bit faster and has more breakable parts.
v6 accord
what do you guys think about the Mitsubishi Lancer?
>>14681763
>>14682041
Burn it. Mitsubishi Motors will go out of business soon enough.
The fusion ST when it comes out next year
>>14682031
Yeah, that video confirms my point. Its just an automatic that shifts a bit faster and has more breakable parts.
>>14681763
MAZDA
6
>>14682045
Nice
>>14682064
>has more breakable parts.
Does Honda reliability mean nothing to you?
>>14682009
You have to actually try to break a torque converter.
Fiat's got a DCT that's literally their regular manual transmission with a single automatic clutch pack where the regular clutch should be.
>>14681763
Volkswagen GTI.
Practical and reliable. Lots of storage, good mileage.
Can still hoon the living shit out of it.
$26k starting.
>>14682045
>>14682065
>4 cylinder
>moving 4 people around
>plus baggage and groceries
>>14682045
The only real answer tbqh fampai
>>14682065
The current gen Mazda 6 is worse in every way than the previous gen, as far as the engine options are concerned.
They really should have kept that V6 as an option, all the i4s they have now don't feel right in that car.
>>14682079
You mean the Jetta GLI?. Last I checked, the Golf was not a sedan.
>>14682077
>2016
>not using a DSG
Fluid torque converter a shit.
>>14682079
he said a sedan you nitwit, that is not a sedan
>>14681809
>Honda transmissions
>Reliable
Some preowned Avalon or some
Probably a Kia Optima 1.6T
>>14681908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVEVlcwaSqg
they still didn't like it.
>>14682072
Because Honda has such a great track record with transmissions, right?
>>14682086
but the V6 wasn't SKYACTIV
it's all about that proprietary tech and branding bruh
if it's not SKYACTIV it's not going in a modern MAZDA
p.s. ZOOM ZOOM
>>14682087
>sedan
I'm a tard.
I actually own a GLI. Really, really love my car. Had it in for 20k service just the other day. but I figured the GTI lends itself better to the "family" role.
>>14682100
compared to other companies, they still do
about the only one they fall short of is Toyota/Lexus. Honda's tranny problems were no worse than those experienced by companies like Chrysler, Ford, or GM
*but* it was the one thing they failed at moderately, and so the jealous burgerclaps started beating their war drums and screaming memes about honda trannies
>>14682096
Would you prefer a Buick Verano Turbo?
>>14682100
With normal automatics yes. But DCT's are built like manuals, which Honda has a great track record with. And breaking a torque converter is really damned hard.
>>14682096
Who gives a fuck, honestly? CR is for the AARP crowd who bitches if the service writer at the dealership didn't Pat their asses just right, they take points off for anything that isn't "sensible" and God forbid if it's quick, seriously never quote CR on this board again
>>14682045
Can't believe it took this long for someone to post this. Mazda is always the answer
>>14682110
>car needs to be serviced at 20K
lmfao other than an oil change (which should only be like your 2nd or third on the car), what the fuck does it require at 20K?
>>14682117
No. I'd prefer a regal GS in manual.
>>14682124
>Mazda is always the answer
Not that Mazda.
Mazda 3 is the only half-way decent thing they have right now.
Easy, I'd buy a Ford Mondeo or a Mazda 6.
There is honestly no reason to buy anything else apart from being a badge snob.
>>14682127
But that exceeds OP's 30k budget.
And it's the same engine/transmission, just in a smaller and lighter car. What's not to love?
>dat angry butt
>>14682125
It was just general scheduled maintenance. Said to do it in the manual. They did change the oil. Checked my tires, brakes, fluid levels. What car doesn't have scheduled maintenance at 20k? That's completely normal. Didn't cost me anything.
>>14682125
Outside of your part of the world, service is a usual term for maintenance.
>>14682117
>But DCT's are built like manuals,
You mean the same DCTs with recalls? Honda can not make automatic transmissions
they are Fiat tier bad
>>14682117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0drBMoBg4
>>14682159
The 3800 is still shit but the Eaton M90 makes a nice whine.
![listing_main_2014_Opel_Astra_Sedan_Side[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dy7rduD.jpg "listing_main_2014_Opel_Astra_Sedan_Side[1].jpg")
>>14682141
Nice Astra.
>>14682147
Really? I have yet to hear about any of the recent generation Accords having auto trans issues
>>14682138
>as reliable as a Toyota
>really good looking exterior and interior
>sporty ride and steering
>ranked 1st in its class by pretty much every reviewer
Seems like its only issue is that tiny engine. Although I honestly don't know shit since I've never driven one.
>>14682169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNSu57H_1qE
>The 3800 is shit
You're my favorite person on /o/ to argue with btw :^)
>>14682172
The Astra is a decent and nice car. The Buick variant differs by having heaps more noise insulation.
>>14682186
still shit.
>>14682141
Who needs new when you can get a '13 used for 18-22k
>>14681763
Lincoln towncar. v8, rwd, 5 star safety rating, and most importantly, not FWD.
>>14682178
>Although I honestly don't know shit since I've never driven one.
Do yourself a favor and go drive one, and then go drive a last gen one.
That tiny engine absolutely ruins this car, at least it did for me. It's great in the Mazda3, but it's really not fit to be in the heavier Mazda6.
>>14682178
I drive a 2.0 skyactiv in 2013, handling and gas mileage is good, that's about it though, seriously quiet cab but you feel so isolated and it just dulls the experience
>>14682201
And the Regal is still slower than the turbo Verano. They really should've given the Regal GS the AWD 2.8L V6 Turbo the Insignia OPC used instead of that 2.0L Turbo. Totally wrong engine for a performance variant of any epsilon platform car.
>>14682216
Gas mileage wasn't good enough, no seriously
>>14682227
That's quite funny.
>>14682237
It's for the CAFE ratings or whatever for their industry avg, California is the reason why we can't have nice things
>>14682227
>>14682247
That makes me want to murder babies. The 2.8L V6 Turbo was right there and already US emissions certified.
That would be like Honda making the next Civic Type R a 1.5L hybrid with a total of 130 HP because of fuel economy.
>>14682306
>implying GMs known for making good decisions about every single product
Tsk tsk recaros
>>14682364
I love GM, but I never said they make intelligent decisions.
I love the new Camaro's performance, spec and bragging rights that come with being a GM fan and it winning all comparisons. But the new Camaro is butt-ugly and you can't see out of it if your life depended on it.
>>14682378
I know that, I'm saying I'm surprised you had to ask/didn't know
>>14681763
Kia Optima
>>14682141
>>14682306
They did that, they called it the CRZ.
>>14682436
You. I like you.
>>14682378
This is so true, my friend owns a 2010 and has to lower the windows and move the rear view mirrors to park.
>>14682467
>implying Camaro owners don't just pull in forwards to park everywhere
>implying they even look when they're backing out
>>14682080
can you get a trip code so I can filter your incessant shitposting.
I already filtered out your shitty mazda 3 posts
>>14682448
>>14682541
Which ones? I make so many :^)
bump.
What do I win?
>>14683188
>implying you can get a new SHO for less than 30k
Fuck new and get an e60 M5
Impala
>>14683189
>$40k
Damn, I wish ;_;
>>14681763
>>It must be FWD
why??
>>14683210
because what fun is a hypothetical challenge if you don't have to think?
>>14681809
this one
>>14681816
let me translate
>i'm broke and want to delude myself into thinking i would rather own a 30 year old shitbox instead of a new car that would likely be faster, more efficient, better built, and more engaging to drive
there you go. you're not fooling anyone faggot
>>14683304
Mazda 3/6
![cdauto-fusionst-9215-6-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/U9pQHxI.jpg "cdauto-fusionst-9215-6-1[1].jpg")
Fusion st.
>>14682209
200lbs?
so an american passenger?
>>14683528
Will that be under 30k though?
Spend 20k on a Kia Optima or Hyundia equivilant.
Spend 15k on a pool or something for the house.
Your wife won't be able to tell the difference between brands anyways.
>>14681763
Camry
>>14683528
>tfw no awd fusion wagon with v6 ecoboost
>>14683546
maybe, it could be AWD.
ST Focus starts at $24K, it's fun as fuck.
Regular Fusion with AWD and a 2.0T is $26K.
If the Fusion ST uses the RS drive train and engine, it will be well above $30K, but then again it's an ST, mean to be affordable fun.
>>14681763
Get a Ford Focus ST
you can get the premier for like 28k
comes with:
Cornering lamps
Dual-zone Electronic Automatic Temperature Control (DEATC)
HID headlamps
HD Radioâ„¢
RECARO® full leather-trimmed heated front Sport seats
SiriusXM Satellite Radio
Audio System from Sony® with 10 speakers
SYNC® 3
8-way power driver seat with power lumbar
4-way head restraints
Ambient lighting
Heated steering wheel
Heated exterior mirrors
Voice-activated navigation system with SiriusXM Traffic and Travel Link®
Overhead console
Rear armrest
SecuriCodeâ„¢ keyless-entry keypad
Carbon Fiber Interior Accent Package
>>14683634
don't forget that chassis and engine from mazda that they passed DOWN to ford
and that made in america reliability :^)
>>14683652
We only take the best, you can keep the rest.
'Merika.
I'd buy an Accord V6, with no extra bullshit to keep the price down, they sound mean as fuck.
>>14683634
Go away shill
>>14683634
That looks more like a hatchback than a sedan to me, Ford shill
Subaru legacy don't get the shitty built in gps though
Fuck families
Fuck sedans
Fuck FWD
Fuck buying new
Fuck being poor
Fuck your rules, OP
I'd get a used Murcielago desu, they're a pretty good price now.
If my family wants a ride and I already have a passenger they can stay where the fuck they are
>Pic related, it's OP
>>14683671
lol ya got me
>>14683707 <----- There ya go.
>>14683304
>new econobox
>more engaging than an older sportyish car
Sure buddy
>>14683704
>>14683682
What difference does it make if its a hatch?
Serves the same purpose and you have more trunk space
:}
there is no other choice
>it must be FWD
>it must be brand new
>it must cost less than 30k
>you must watch your wife get fucked
kek
Buick Regal Turbo 6MT in White Diamond Tricoat
Fiat Aegea/Tipo
>>14683881
I can't even fuck my wife...
I don't know who she is.
>>14683886
> he doesn't get the OPC insignia
Lmao
>>14683756
>>14681763
>You have to buy a family sedan
>a family sedan
>sedan
It's like the FWD condition. Makes the hypothetical a little harder than just answering with
>WRX
well, it's not loud, fast, or shiny, but i like my mazda 5. it's got a little bit of pep and handles my 3 kids easily.
>>14681763
>family sedan
>FWD, brand new, less than 30k
I think you have no family to begin with if those are your limitations. Here is mine.
>It must be AWD
>Brand new/used/broken/salvage, idgaf
>it must cost at least 50k
idk bout you, but I would rather let my family enjoy luxury than a shitbox.
>>14684000
I'm sure your wife's kids will appreciate it.
>>14682089
DSG is literally just a marketing name for a DCT.
>>14683634
>silly interior comforts are the only selling point.
>sports car
I love the buyers regret I see on the face of every st driver.
There are so many better cars to buy for the money it blows my mind. But hey, enjoy your slow ass fwd focus.
>>14681763
You can pick up a Charger RT's in my area for 29k easily. But if I had to stick to the hard MSRP I'd be ok with the V6 for a family sedan.
>>14683634
still not a sedan retard
But I already have one. No need for another, inferior product.
>>14681763
mazda6 wagon.
>>14685122
not a sedan
Mazda3 hatchback
don't the low hp engine fool you, thing is pretty fast
>>14682055
that won't be under $30K
>>14683170
Are they still going to make a sedan version of the Si? when i last looked they were only making coupe versions for the 2016 model year.
>>14684323
could you name a few?
only other ones i can think of off the top of my head would be the WRX, GTI, the FiST, and possibly an evo thats had 2-3 years of depreciation.
Just curious.
>>14685314
The 2016 sedan isn't available as an SI yet because it's a new generation. Double check that coupe. the only Si's on their website are all 2015 models.
>>14685325
Used Camaro's and G8's
>>14685325
look up how many focus ST are available with LOW miles
tons
people dump then after like 20k+ miles
why would they do that in mass?
no try to find a mazda3 in a manual trans
like none in comparison
but they sold alot sooo maybe the owners keep them
>>14681763
I buy an AWD subaru WRX, fuck your gay fwd
>>14681821
It is technically a sedan as it has more than 33 cubic feet in the rear.
>>14683188
>It must be FWD
>>14686152
it's a hatchback. There's no trunk.
>>14681763
Ford Mondeo. It's a damn good car. And you can apparently give it a set of limitations with the spare key, so the wife/kids can't take it out and ruin it without your key.
Although I dislike saloons, so I'd either go for the estate, or just go for a top-spec Focus.
