Muscle cars these days...
>20inch wheels
>Lowered for rear wheel tuck
>Thin Tires
>rear diffusers
>side skirts
Are there any modern muscle cars done right?
>>14673259
>done right
You mean worse performing?
>>14673269
Because body kits and thin tires make you faster?
>>14673271
Undeniably faster than previous generations
>wanting any modern american made car
>>14673259
>>14673271
I'm entirely with you if your argument is aesthetics-wise, because that's literally what all your points were. But
>>14673275
Is right. Old school muscle is btfo'd by the new (uglier) generation
>>14673259
>20inch wheels
Brakes are getting larger so they have to make wheels that fit over them, also safety standards are causing body lines to get higher so they use big wheels because small ones look silly otherwise.
>Lowered for rear wheel tuck
Not on any current factory car that I'm aware of.
>Thin Tires
Z/28 has 305 tires on all four corners, classic muscle cars came with fairly shitty and skinny tires from the factory.
>rear diffusers
Just there to allow different exhaust setups with different trim levels and engine platforms. Modularity is pretty important in mass produced cars with options.
>side skirts
Makes the car appear lower, gives the car better proportions to deal with the increased body lines.
>>14673271
Better design, more power, and fatter tires make them faster today. Here, have a picture of an un modified classic muscle car so you can see why the "thin tires" argument is dumb.
>>14673275
So stock for stock a modern 6 cylinder mustang trumps the 1966 model
If both we're offered to you in perfect condition FREE which do you take?
>>14673300
The whole point was the aftermarket
Hence the rear wheel tuck
This is considered "muscle" by today's standards
>>14673302
Classic
>Simpler design
>Better looking (subjective)
>Simple to maintain
>Not as safe
>Slower (a lot slower)
>Less comfortable
>Less efficient
Modern
>More reliable
>Not as good looking (subjective)
>More complicated maintenance
>Much safer
>Faster (in pretty much every way)
>More comfortable
>More efficient
Do you see how this works, yet?
>>14673307
k
>>14673317
Are you trying to make a negative statement about that badass car? That Challenger is tuff as hell, and better than anything you'll ever own.
>>14673317
So is this. Cry about it. Not every body wants their car the same way your dad told you was good.
Because they're not muscle cars anymore, they're sports cars
>>14673320
My fight is with tuners, not manufacturers
The manufacturers make the cars look retro but today all the muscle cars get side body kits and rubber band tires
>>14673326
Those wheels are disgusting
>>14673340
So which of the 2 would you own?
>>14673344
They sure are, and they're tucked too. Must be a modern car right? Enjoy a pic of my rubber band tires.
>>14673344
>My fight is with tuners, not manufacturers
Weird, in the OP it appears your fight is with "modern muscle cars".
>>14673351
Only one of them is street legal and I'll bet you're too much of an armchair enthusiast to know which or why.
>>14673342
New Mustangs are undeniably sporty.
And that's okay
But unless you own a modern shelby. Chances are your going to modify the car
And when you do...look at SEMA to see what the aftrmarket supports as mods
>>14673259
>>14673268
>>14673271
>>14673317
>>14673326
>>14673344
Modified
>>14673300
>>14673302
>>14673340
>>14673342
Factory
I get it though OP. You like classic cars with fat tires, why not just make a thread for that instead of pulling incorrect arguments out of your ass?
>>14673259
ground effect body kit m8
normal cars have had them since the 80s with some hints of it in the 70s
>>14673271
>make you faster
by a far margin better suspension does
>>14673326
I don't understand why they fit wheels ith suck skinny tirewall.
>>14673371
OP, I know you're upset. I understand, but I just want you to know that nobody is making anyone do their cars that way and that way only. Theres lots of stuff you're clearly unaware of, and its important that you understand that all modified modern cars don't necessarily look like the ones at SEMA, and that the entire point of SEMA and 90% of the other stuff there has apparently gone over your head.
Lurk moar, you moron.
>>14673385
Because they think it looks good and forgot to ask you personally if you like it.
>>14673385
because 8 inch tall side walls are cool
GUYS GUYS GUYS
he's not talking about new models. He's talking about Chip Goose abominations.
>>14673431
>>14673431
Tyres (fr/r) 9.0/24.0 x 15 / 14.5/26.0 x 15
if that makes sense to anyone who knows old tire measurements
wall hight / width / bead diameter - is my nearest guess
>>14673259
>le wrong generation
old shitboxes with retardley wide tires arent doing it right
Op is a boomer
>>14673522
Drag tire still use that sort of measurement.
It's (width) / (height) x (rim diameter)
>>14673563
ayyy
>>14673259
a muscle car done right... hmm
if it is made or purchased and then scrapped instantly that is a muscle car done right
>>14673642
That is pretty cool though
>>14673631
as in total hight ?
so all I have to do is subtract the rim diameter from the tire diameter
then divide the outcome by two
so that puts the side wall as being 139.7 mm or 5.5" tall
with a profile of 37.9 % compared to its width
low profile for the time I guess
>you'll never have the old muscle bodystyle with modern suspensions, diff, gearbox
>with somewhat capable capable engine that suffices to push the car forward on the highway without having to give a fuck about muh aeordynamics
Can't manufacturers just call their cars "cabriolets" without having an actual pull-down roof just so they can bypass all the safety shit?
>>14673342
why does that man look so sad?
>>14674355
do you see what he's driving?
>>14674355
He's probably been doing slow laps all day so the photographers can get nice pictures
I like this thread.
1st gen Celica
Japanese muscle?
The Toyota 86 drifts easier than a Mustang.
>>14673431
Tee hee...bell bottoms.
>>14674400
you need an image with more muscle to be posting here
>>14674401
>Implying
>>14673317
Dammit, that ride height is perfect, it's completely reminiscent of the original Challenger. I'd be tempted to cut up the panels on the side to try and raise the wheel arches by a few inches.
>>14675055
Can confirm, ride height is exactly the same.
>>14673271
>rear COs on single shear bolts
>>14674416
those cars are so tasteless
>Getting mad over Chip Foose
fine, he's a faggot and doesn't really make things much faster
>Getting mad over pro-touring
They're faster than a "done right" (ie stock suspension with mini tubs piece of shit) muscle car in every way, better to live with, still look good, and basically are only bad if you're 2poor.
>>14673567
You and several others ITT seem to be confused, OP is talking about shitty restomods with billet 20" wheels and digital dashes, aka boomermobiles, not new cars.
>>14675666
What's wrong with them, Satan?
>>14675673
PT cars are gay
Just buy a corvette, poser faggot
>>14675682
>"I never watched Trans Am racing and my understanding of muscle and pony cars comes entirely from my dad telling me about how he had a beat-to-shit Mustang when he was 18"
Just buy a gasser, poser faggot.
>>14675678
I want to do this
to pic related
stop me /o/, tell me no
>>14675696
>falcon/comet wagon
literally do it, it's much better than letting it rot in the yard. Just get some fender flares afterward.
>>14675695
My dad's mustang WAS a trans am car
>>14675695
trans am cars dont run with 20" nigger wheels and sidewall the thickness of a shoelace, stupid faggot
>>14675731
No, faggot, but neither do actual pro-touring cars. Trans Am showed that turning is cool and muscle + pony cars should be able to turn. If you're a "throw a 4 link rear in and tub it with fuckhuge tires" pro-street retard you won't be able to understand, but that's ok.
>>14675725
My dad works for nintendo
>>14675679
>cant into proper offset wheels, has to stretch tires just so they fit under the arches on celica
>matte black camaro with nigger wheels
>>14675695
My idea of muscle cars is cheap old DIY speed machines.
Transplanting a mess of bolt on corvette kit parts into an old shell is a lot of money wasted just to look cool. Just buy a corvette.
>>14675757
So do you have to fabricate your own parts to be a real muscle car? Or is it limited to swap meet parts? Can you put a truck engine in, or is that not "speed machine" enough?
People do cheap DIY pro-touring cars all the time, usually with Vortec swaps and a few bolt on parts because there is literally nothing else available to make them handle unless you want to fabricate an entire suspension yourself. There is nothing wrong with applying pre-made parts. Lots of muscle cars have done so. It's basically the same thing as putting an Explorer intake on a 5.0 except the coils are more expensive.
I can sort of see your point if you're exclusively referring to boomers who don't do any of the work themselves. Even then though, what's wrong with wanting a cool looking car? If they prefer the aesthetic of a 1971 Challenger why the fuck would they buy a C6 Corvette? Do you exclusively buy cars you think are ugly so that people don't mistake you as a poser?
tl;dr no
>>14675740
>but neither do actual pro-touring cars
have you ever seen a pro touring car? they all have 20" wheels with shoe lace tires. even the select few that go to a track instead of being exclusively shown off at car shows, they still run with nigger tier wheels.
by the way, pro touring and trans-am have absolutely NOTHING in common. not a single thing.
you have absolutely zero idea what youre talking about
>>14675795
These tires are better in EVERY SINGLE WAY than the stock ones. Name one way in which they are inferior.
>by the way, pro touring and trans-am have absolutely NOTHING in common. not a single thing.
Except being about turning with muslce/pony cars that are basically street cars?
>>14675757
>Transplanting a mess of bolt on corvette kit parts into an old shell is a lot of money wasted just to look cool. Just buy a corvette.
People that build these machines want a challenge and want to do something different from time to time. Regardless of what you think a muscle car should be, they can be much more. Also "cheap old DIY speed machines" is the hot rod culture, and can be applied to anything.
>Just buy a corvette
>mfw people think like this
>>14675826
easily cut on potholes
but that doesn't really matter for a trailer queen
>>14675826
>than the stock ones
do people still make bias ply tires from the 60s?
>Except being about turning with muslce/pony cars that are basically street cars?
trans-am is a racing series, pro-touring are boomer show cars with nigger wheels and gaudy paint
NOT A SINGLE THING IN COMMON
>by the way, small sidewall tires are shit (dont see trans-am cars with them lol)
>and large nigger wheels are heavy garbage (dont see trans-am cars with them lol)
>pro-touring builds are nothing but show cars
>>14675851
When I was in high school I drove around with low profile 18 inch wheels in a small town with giant potholes on every street and gravel on half the roads. I never had a puncture.
Stop buying chink tires
>>14675855
>do people still make bias ply tires from the 60s?
Yes, actually
>trans-am is a racing series, pro-touring are boomer show cars with nigger wheels and gaudy paint
NOT A SINGLE THING IN COMMON
Except both being about showing how muscle cars can turn despite mostly being stock street cars. That's one thing in common. Are you retarded?
>>by the way, small sidewall tires are shit (dont see trans-am cars with them lol)
You see relatively low profile tires in some classes, yes. You didn't in the 1970s because there were no good low pro tires then.
>>and large nigger wheels are heavy garbage (dont see trans-am cars with them lol)
There are plenty of pro-touring cars running respected street wheel manufacturers like Volks, BBS, etc. Boomers do put nigger wheels on some, but that's because boomers are fucking retarded faggots.
>>pro-touring builds are nothing but show cars
Except all the ones that go on tracks?
>>14675789
Muscle cars already exist. It's up to the owners to ruin them.
And those trans am cars you love managed to be fast with stock-ish suspension and 15" wheels, so it IS possible.
>tfw super custom fabricated suspension
>>14675826
See now that doesn't look half bad, but OP's talking about Chip Foose stuff.
>>14675878
>Except both being about showing how muscle cars can turn despite mostly being stock street cars. That's one thing in common
except pro-touring is FAAR from "mostly stock".
>muh ls engines
>muh pre-fabbed bolt on everything
>muh nigger wheels
>You see relatively low profile tires in some classes, yes
such as? even modern trans-am they run with proper tires, not flashy nigger shit.
trans-am and pro-touring have nothing in common and youre retarded if you think tasteless boomer modifications are in any way comparable to purpose built race cars
>>14675891
Low profile ≠ Foose niggery
>>14675721
>flares on radiused guards
>flares
>on
>radiused
>guards
oh sweet jesus no
GO AWAY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID
>>14675895
low profile=garbage
zero exceptions
>>14675948
>>14675826
Ride quality.
>>14676105
but really you do not want 80% unless your keen to drive on the side walls 55% to 60 is about right
below 45% is asking for curb rash unless the roads are concrete and you park well
>wide tires make you quicker in the corners
skinny tyres with lotsa meat on old cars look sexy but are not better than fat low profile tyres
its another muh aesthetics feelings vs muh objective superiority thread
>>14674416
>>14674400
Kenmeri Skyline is best Japanese muscle
>>14677752
They really are Japanese muscle can chill with American Muscle. In all honesty JDM and American Muscle are the best, I absolutely hate European cars with everything I have.
>>14673300
OP = rekt
>>14677790
t. american weeb
>>14673302
The old one.
Then sell it and buy a Model X.
>>14677728
>Wide tires make you quicker at all
>>14677790
>japanese muscle
doesnt exist. low powered 6 cylinders in a light weight car, only australians can do that and call it muscle. the skylines are too feminine
>>14673330
> That badass car
That thing is undrivable
>>14677833
Physics laws?! What?
>>14673357
Transformer badge? Plz :(
>>14678138
He can't worry about that badge, knowing he has a two dollar paint job that melted his brake lights.
>>14673259
muscle cars have never been good so why bother.
>>14673563
>retardley
Anon, you're not doing it right.
Here:
http://70sstreetmachines.tumblr.com/archive
>>14673367
>Weird, in the OP it appears your fight is with "modern muscle cars".
It's ambiguous, but I also read it his way. Modern muscle cars, meaning muscle cars done modern.
If I see another solid axle rear / double-wishbone front muscle car build with rubber-band tires on 22s under bolt-on fender flares, I will scream.
If there was any question, OP image should have cleared it up.
>>14675678
What car what done?
