I'm looking for an alternative to this baby. I want a fun car to use on the side. Budget is about €15-30 euro.
Some rules:
>If younger than 25 years maximum is a 2.5l engine (tax reasons)
coupe
>coupe/roadster
>no significant depreciation anymore
>rwd (awd acceptable, fwd not)
>as light as possible
>able to fit in when you're 2m
There's suprisingly little cars that fit this description. The opel speedster would be perfect but my insurance wants €3500 a year to insure it which is to much for a car I could only use 50 days a year.
Another alternative is the lotus esprit or porsche 911 but really there should be better alternatives out there.
current company car is a vw golf gtd, fun car should not necesarilly be faster but it should be more fun
>>14672621
€15k-30k off-course
>fwd not
shiggy diggy
miata, just open the top
>>14672621
miata faggot
>>14672657
Already have a golf gtd see no reason why I would also want my fun-car to be one...
>>14672661
Miata is not what I am looking for, firstly elbows bang the door, I just can't fit comfortably, secondly the new ones still will depreciate a lot and the older ones are to cheap. The car should 'store' some of my money.
>>14672680
They are heavy cars, not very interesting. They are above 2.5L and not old enough.
The e30 M3 is more expensive than 30k for a decent one.
Toyota MRS and swap a 2zz in
>>14672745
I like them even though engine swaps are not legal here...
It's not a bad car but not exactly what I'm looking for. Could be a plan B type of car (but then I'm better of with an elise)
>>14672621
>maximum is a 2.5l engine (tax reasons)
heehahahaha
wait, you're serious?
>2.5L maximum
>>14672764
>>14672765
Fuck off.
OP, Elise sounds perfect for you. Or maybe look into Japanese cars? An rx7 or s2000 perhaps.
>>14672764
a 2.5 younger than 25yrs costs about €1.2k a year in tax anything above will easily go to 3k and more. Quite expensive for a toy I can only use a few days a year. Just not cost effective anymore to own, then I better just rent a porsche 10 times a year for a day.
>>14672621
Can't you make one of those insurance where they charge you for the amount of km you make rather than a flat rate? If you want to use it a few days of a year, it seems the best solution
>>14672765
>I need AT LEAST 400 HP
>>14672779
>a 2.5 younger than 25yrs costs about €1.2k a year in tax anything above will easily go to 3k and more.
that's crazy. that's revolution tier.
>>14672621
if you want an open top and can't spring for a Boxster due to tax reasons, what about this trio? Not as darty as the Speedster but still pretty good drives all of them.
Vauxhall VX220
>15-30€
Burago has some neat stuff
>>14672858
The Z4 is heavy, but a good drivers car. Only it is still depreciating a lot. Good suggestion though!
I love the concept of the SLK but it is not a nice ride. The audi tt is sort of crappy, just as the alfa brera.
>>14672621
What about a Z3? Didn't they also make a Vauxhall that was basically the same car? Or Elise, Toyota MR2 or MRS (whatever it's called). You guys never got the Pontiac Solstice or Saturn Sky, did you?
>>14672895
Vauxhall is RHD, so not an option, the insurance issue would be just the same I imagine.
I don't like the Z3, it is basically like the mx5 but only more expensive. I'm looking for a car with some value, to put some money into and to get back in 5 years or so.
The mr2 I like it, I need to find out what the insurance thinks, I hope it has abs and airbags etc. since it is to young to insure cheaply as an oldtimer. Though then I'm still stuck with a heap of unspend cash.
>>14672916
>unspent cash
TARBO
A
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>>14672916
>>14672918
But if you really have a budget that big, why not get a decent boxster? As long as you don't put a million miles on it, you should still be able to get some decent money back when you get bored of it.
Or an early 90s 911. I would love one of those.
>>14672621
BMW E36 M3
BMW Z3
Honda S2000
Lexus SC400
Mazda MX-5
Mazda RX-7 FC
Mercedes SLK 200
Nissan 300 ZX
Nissan S13
Toyota AE-86
Toyota Supra
MG F
Porsche 986
Toyota MR2
mitsubishi 3000GT
What about Elise? Taxed to shit like its sibling Speedster?
S2 Elises can be had for a reasonable price and S1 cars are actually currently appreciating in value
>>14672922
I love the boxster my GF's mom has one. If I was able to use the car every day I would dislike paying the high taxes but still do so. However I can only drive it only like 50 days a year.
I could live with high maintenance costs, but the high taxes, high insurance fees would mean the car costs me €200 or so per day I use it. That's more expensive than renting a boxster, and a lot more expensive than having my GF borrow her moms boxster.
I'm looking more in the line of either a recent gem that I forgot about (with a decent but small motor) or something a little older (big motor allowed) but incredibly cool. It must be more interesting that a lotus esprit of porsche 911 because that are at this moment the most sensible cars for me to buy.
>>14672948
Will a Supra or RX-7 hold its value like they are doing in the US? RX-7 has that hella low displacement too.
What years are you thinking for a 911? I think that would be awesome. And have you called around for insurance quotes? That seems ridiculous for that Boxster when it won't even be a DD.
What about classics like older Z cars?
>>14672918
Yeah I'm trying to have a car that I could sell for about the same (win or loose a few €1000) as I pay for it in a few years. Also adding a turbo/supercharger is illegal where I live.
>>14672930
E36 -> engine to big & not old enough (I also think that is an extremely uninteresting car)
Z3 -> coupe is nice but engines to big, roaster is an expensive mx5
S2000 -> good suggestion, they are very rare to find unmollested though
SC400 -> they don't exist here, and they are heavy, not sporty, and the engine is to big and they are to young...
mx-5 to small for me
rx-7 I have yet to see one in real life
SLK, I don't like the way it drives, it is very heavy, to heavy. I do love the concept though.
Nissan 300zx -> engine to big (not old enough) and old ones are pure rust, also they are to cheap
Nissan s13 -> if only they were sold here, would be nice.
Toyota ae-86 I don't think they exist here, never seen one.
Toyota supra -> old ones are 100% rust, new ones have a 3l engine and are not yet 25yrs old.
MG F most crappy car that exists, I will not go near it.
Porsche 986 -> not 25 years old yet
MR2 -> yep on the list, going to ask what the insurance would be
3000 gt don't think they exist here, also very heavy and engine to big for that age.
>>14672954
Dunno about the on the continent but in the UK in the rx-7 is taxed as a 2.6 and the rx-8 is in the same tax band as a supercharged range rover
>>14672954
Late 70's and 80's 911s in a decent but less than perfect conditions do come up for around €30k, and even 964s but 993s are ussualy to expensive.
996 are cheaper but they are to expensive in taxes & insurance.
The RX-7 is almost nonexistent. I would now what the price for it is since there is not enough of them around, also wouldn't know were to get parts. I'm staying away from that one for that reason.
Older nissans are just piles of rust. There's also no market for them. I would consider a decent one though.
>>14672940
They are about twice as expensive as an opel speedster. Insurance will be high (no abs/esp/airbags) but the tax is lower. However the only ones within my price range are the rover K-series engines with high mileage or unclear history. Nice ones are usualy still to expensive. However it is one I am searching actively for.
>>14672989
That sucks
>>14672989
What about an SL? Or SLK? Any year but I love the old ones. You could get away with a smaller displacement on an SLK and ir would stull be fun.
This thread is frustrating.
>Muh depreciation
>Muh taxes
>>14673352
comming from what probably is an american who lives in a country with higher wages, lower income tax and where the roadtax on a 7L chevy is probably lower than our roadtax on a 650cc smart, not to mention that cars are on average 50% cheaper there ...
So yeah I do care about taxes and depreciation.
>>14672757
Where is here?
Tommy Kaira
>>14673930
kek this post reeks of underage gran turismo player
Just get a bike till your insurance becomes cheaper
>>14673936
That was in gran turismo years ago anon. Boy, you're getting old.
>>14673930
>better yet why doesn't this nigga get a honda 2x4
/ovg/ is that way >>/14663146/
>>14672621
Lotus sounds perfect for you OP, as previously mentioned, the toyota powered elise and exige are awesome little cars, they are like go karts, have a feeling of urgency about them, and they grip round corners like you wouldn't believe, also i personally think they look incredible, its that sort of massively aggressive and cute combination look... also you shouldn't have many rust problems since the few metal body components which it has are aluminium.
>>14673964
Where can I buy one of these and are these road legal?
>>14672621
ITT : yuro poor asks Americans for car advice because he's too fat and lazy to look for himself
Jesus OP, you really like being spoonfed
Honda Civic Type-R
>>14674223
Recommending a civic to a guy that already has a golf gtd.
>>14674328
You missed the ''Type R'' part
>>14674335
you missed the >rwd (awd acceptable, fwd not) part
>>14672745
This! 2zz it
Rx7 mate
>>14672621
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=221267056
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=222989726
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=215433078
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=221904537
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=223596732
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=222152996
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=218008574
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=219012596
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=223630341
Not all of them coupes/roadster though.
>>14672621
>ginetta g40
literally a 1,753 lb miata coupe
>>14674705
do they still use plywood in the frame or is that marcos?
>>14674568
WOW!
NSX is automatic but I didn't know they were getting into the picture.
GT86/BRZ & WRX are awesome cars but seeing they already lost that much of their value compared to the newprice I see them loosing even a lot more in the next five years. Would be great to own though...
S2000 is a lot cheaper in Germany, I wonder how hard it is to import one.
MR2 I'm sure that will not get past our technical inspection sad enough :(
Thnx!
>>14674655
>>14674705
Now these are the things I was looking for, awesome cars that are not a standard 911.
>>14674655
out of reach though they go for 50k and more :/
>>14674746
The Turbo MR2 is an official Toyota model, alas a rare one.
Importing/Exporting within the EU isn't that hard.
Where are you from?
>>14674705
>g40
OP should save up and go for the full GRDC experience though
http://www.ginetta.com/racing.php?championship=grdc&tab=info
>>14674752
Fuck, I didn't know they became that expensive. Sorry.
>>14672790
It's not a need, it's just a case of "because I can".
>>14672895
Actually yurop did get the Saturn Sky, as the Opel GT. It only came with the tarbo engine, too.
>>14672790
>be Eurocuck
>Euro manufacturers make God tier automobiles
>taxed for displacement
>taxed for emissions
>forced to compromise at every turn
You should probably just buy a compromise hatch and fuck off desu senpai.
>>14675102
The opel GT is a horrible car, it has nothing to do with the awesome speedster.
The GT is heavy, really heavy, the engine is already on the limit of what it can take and the gearbox is awfull. If the SLK is already to heavy you must certainly stay away from the opel gt
oh god why does it look so bad? that yellow that front curving to the manlet wheelbase. its so bad jesus fuck end it all.
>>14672981
>>14674746
Then Lotus is your only option. Elise and Europa have a solid roof so you can drive then 365 days a year.
Also where in the fuck do you live?
>>14677844
Belgium, crappiest country in the world to live in if you like cars and if you want to do everything legaly.
>>14677844
The elise is nice, but an esprit I could insure as an oldtimer (a lot cheaper), and since oldtimers don't have to go to tech-inspection every year I could modify the suspension and engine.
>>14674886
>>14674752
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/auto?isSearchRequest=true&vc=Car&dam=0&ms=20700%3B35
found some for around 30k. Still pretty expensive, but maybe one is worth your time.
>>14673022
Local shops that I go to have one of these in the exact same colour always parked in the same spot.
>>14672621
Smart Roadster
Look it up,they're really fun
>>14678510
shit transmission though
Plenty of choice on the older side of the market.
Fiat 124 Sport Coupe/Spider
Alfa 2000 GTV or Spider or 1600GT
Peugeot 504 Coupe
Ford Escort or Capri or Sierra Cosworth
Porsche 928 or 944
And older cars are much easier to fit properly in because flat door cards, small dashboards, and narrow steering column.
>>14678702
pretty good if you get the semi automatic.
How about a Porsche Cayman ? It has good interior, it is good looking and is RWD and mid-engined so you get 2 boots, also comes in both manual and 7 speed PDK.
Tho it is a 2.7 L but 0.2L isn't that big of a difference and you'll enjoy revving that NA flat six alot !
>>14679129
forgot pic
>>14675684
>Be merican
>Have 16litre v8 w/300 hp
>Max legal speed is 60
>Go 61
>Get shot.
>>14679129
>0.2L isn't that big of a difference
lel
>>14679129
>0.2L isn't that big of a difference
Literally check your privilege american
>>14679157
i'm not even an american, and when i meant 0.2L isn't a big difference, it was about the tax
>>14679164
I guess there's a huge jump in tax above 2.5l where OP lives.
>>14679173
I think that was in the past, now it's more about CO2 emissions...
>>14679196
Thats not the way taxes work, son.
Just because a new tax is added, doesn't mean the old one goes away.
When the CO2 emission laws came in, they kept the CC laws too.
One of the reasons why the new Fiata is 1.6l
