What are the European and American equivalents of this car?
I'm having a hard time thinking of proper analogues. The right answers should be from around the turn of the millenium but still ahead of their time, should be sports cars that share their underpinnings with mundane family cars, sit in the sub-$50,000 price range, would exhibit a similarly subtle, understated muscular shape, and should exist in a cloud of hype that they can't possibly live up to.
>>14666979
fiero with a bodykit
>>14666979
I'd say the closest burger equivalent would be the muscle cars of the late 60s. They weren't exactly high tech but they had mundane origins, great performance on their intended tracks (drag strips, stoplights), and now have a following that would suggest they were far greater than they really were
>>14666985
That is a solid answer. I think Europe does an even better job of "wolf in sheep's clothing" cars, and every big German automaker has an equivalent--the BMW M3 comes to mind.
>>14666992
The American question is definitely harder, but 60s/70s muscle cars don't really fit the bill. The Skyline looks muscular while downplaying its abilities, while big loud Chevelles and Cudas sort of shouted about it, especially in some of the colors they were available with. And the Skyline goes fast in a straight line, but also handles and stops.
>>14667019
it's aussie, but it answers the question
M3, Audi Ur-Quattro
>>14667019
chevy ss if you want a wolf in sheeps clothing as you said
>>14667034
That's so interesting that you'd say SS, because you're right about its personality, but it's still a big, comfortable sedan. Their coupes sharing that engine are the hardcore sports car Corvette and the "everybody look at me" Camaro, neither of which look as grown up as the SS. If they coupe-ified the styling of the SS, flared the fenders just a little more, it would be perfect.
>>14666979
E46 M3 is the Euro R34.
There is no American equivalent.
2010 + ford taurus sho's. Very comfortable and unassuming.
But when it wants to, it can tear
shit up
>>14667089
>GT-R
>unassuming
M3 and Mustang GT?
>>14667089
This
>>14666979
BMW M3 E36. Best handling car of the 1990s, and the E36s looked very understated. Even the 240hp US version still hung with the 90s Japanese Sports Cars from just how good their suspension/chassis was.
E46 just built off that fame, got more aggressive (no sedans, quad exhaust, fender gills).
America....C5 Corvette I guess. Americans just use dedicated platforms and they're underhyped if anything. It's what happens when a shitty but ridiculously huge car company throws their best engineers into making the best sports car for $40k that could keep up with Porsches/Ferraris of that era.
Cobalt SS for America?
Fits the bill for everything you said.
>Is a suped up model of a boring family car
>pretty cheap new
>bretty quick
>is hyped to enormous levels (at least on /o/, people talk all the fucking time about how these are faster than skylines around the nurburgring), and will never live up to them
>has a more aggressive body kit than the basic cobalt
Did I do it?
>>14666979
most of the description sounds like a classic muscle car
![2004-cadillac-cts-v-10[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cDfQ4KO.jpg "2004-cadillac-cts-v-10[1].jpg")
>>14667614
The GT-R makes JDM fanboys from other countries envy and lust after it.
No one in Europe or Japan is jealous that they can't get their hands on a sweet Cobalt SS. I think we're in consensus that the M3s of the R34 era are the Euro answer, but I think >>14667027
had the closest thing to an American answer. America just doesn't offer very many understated sports coupes for mature, non-redneck adults.
>>14667614
kill yourself
>>14667679
If you're driving a SHO or GTO because you're afraid a Mustang or Camaro will make you look like a redneck then you're not much of an American.
>>14667614
>FWD
>painfully slow
>handles like shit
>unimpressive from every angle
>faggy little faggot car that can't drift
holy fuck are you fucking with me right now you fucking fuck
>>14666979
mustangs
>>14666979
Mustang Cobra R.
>built on fairmont chassis
>Almost 400hp N/A DOHC 5.4L V8
>IRS
>huge brembos
>recaros
>performed better than anyone thought a Mustang ever could
>1.02g on the skidpad
>13.0s 1/4 mile and low 4s 0-60
>70-0 in 160ft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch5Dx2ftTwg
>>14667723
>painfully slow
Seems you all forgot.
>>14667846
>mid 80's is turn of the millenum
C'mon GMfag.
R34 isn't even that great. Idk why every one starts getting hard one when they see the car. U can buy one in the is legally for 80k. But the r32 gtr is now legal so just buy that and be happy.
>>14667833
In defense of the Skyline, IIRC all JDM cars are electronically limited to 180kph by law.
e46 m3
>>14667614
fwd cuck
Old Mustangs for 'murrika.
Much like the Skyrines, they come in a jillion different trim levels and models and everyone always sticks fake 5.0 GT (stang) / GT-R (skyline) badges on them, and the fans of the cars are very very opinionated on just why their car is best car.
>>14666979
Euro equivalent is e46 M3.
Murka doesn't have an equivalent from the 90s. If you expand your time period, maybe the CTS-V could fit the bill you're talking about.
>>14667962
This is the most correct answer for a European counterpart.
Damn good car too.
>>14668088
Very good car, couldn't possibly live up to hype, but not a coupe/no coupe variant. Also not sub-$50k (when new, anyway).
>>14667611
>Americans just use dedicated platforms and they're underhyped if anything.
This, really.
Japan loves taking one model car and having it do everything- two door coupe, four door sedan, five door wagon, a three door turbocharged variant for rallying homologation rules, two door coupe with DOHC TWIN CAM 16 stickers on the side, five door wagon with engine from rally variant, etc etc. American manufacturers generally keep their commuter cars separate from their sports and flagship cars, which is why it's so notable when they pull out the stops on a standard shitbox (Cobalt SS, Neon SRT-4, Regal T-Type/Grand National [and that generation Hurst/Olds as well], SHO Taurus, and so on).
>>14668198
>Japan loves taking one model car and having it do everything- two door coupe, four door sedan, five door wagon, a three door turbocharged variant for rallying homologation rules, two door coupe with DOHC TWIN CAM 16 stickers on the side, five door wagon with engine from rally variant, etc etc
So do the Europeans.
>>14668198
>Japan loves taking one model car and having it do everything(...)
VAG though...
>>14668156
E39 M5s and R34 GTRs were similarly priced in yurop back in 2000.
Also the fact that the GTR is a coupe is pretty irrelevant. No one thinks any more or less of it because of that.
>>14668088
wrong BMW senpai
>>14666979
European closest car to R34 is RS4 B5
>4x4
>turbo (even 2x)
>6cylinders
>6grs manual
>1666 kg (GT-R) vs 1675 kg (RS4)
>4,9 vs 4,7 0-100km/h
>98-02 vs 00-02
>280 hp vs 380 hp
Audi is stronger but over all both are rare and very original.
M3 is far less comparable to R34, because it doesn't has turbo, 4wd and is lighter. Audi did it.
https://youtu.be/DkNCfynin88?t=1m14s
>>14668950
The Audi is a lolcantturn straight line mobile though.
>>14667932
Not on a race track they arent, In japan a car is limited to 180 kph on city roads. Thats only cars built within the last 15 yrs or so. Race tracks lay a signal wire under where passenger cars enter and exit the track. When on the track or on track grounds the cars limiter is lift and they can go above 180 kph.
>>14668956
GT-R Nürburgring Nordschleife 8:28.10
RS4 Nürburgring Nordschleife 8:25.00
http://fastestlaps.com/models/nissan-skyline-gt-r
http://fastestlaps.com/models/audi-rs4-avant
The only reason Skylines are popular are because us amerifats can't have them, they're IMMENSELY overrated due to that. In any other country they're seen as run of the mill shitboxes.
>>14667679
>Cobalt SS
That's a rebadged Monaro you gronk.
No one ever expects a Caddy.
>>14668996
Disregard, wrong pic.
Though the Australian equivalent to the R34 would probably be the Monaro.
US equivalent would have to be one of their iconic muscle or pony cars, possibly the Mustang.
>>14666979
>CTRL+F Typhoon
>CTRL+F Syclone
>CTRL+F Stealth
>0 results
You could at least try,
>>14667089
They also eat PTU's and have tons of other shit that breaks because Ford build quality is shit.
>>14667932
Bong-spec R34s were limited to 156mph
>>14666979
e46 m3 and terminator
>>14667723
>cobalt ss
>painfully slow
You don't even know what driving a truly slow car is like, faggot.
>>14669036
I'm on my second PTU. Fortunately it costs less than 1000 labor included to swap in a new one. They don't bother to reman them so you get a new one every time. This is fixed 2013 and up if you get performance package with the water-cooled unit.
Despite some valid concerns with build quality, total cost to own is much easier to live with.
>>14669004
At Gm HQ
>Sooo , we need a car to compete with the bug european sedans.
>Wel-
>GIVE THAT SHIT A LS1 AND CALL IT FOR A DAY
Next day , CTVS announced
There are none, there is no car that can match the power, reliability, styling, tech, and price for the package.
>>14667775
That crack on the front bumper though haha
>>14666979
>should be sports cars that share their underpinnings with mundane family cars
Youre an idiot OP. The R32-R34 were built as the GTR first, then the lower models came about. It isnt based on a family car.
>>14667611
>Best handling car of the 1990s
lol bmw fanboys are so delusional
>>14667833
>fake lap times
R34 is faster than R33, R33 lapped in under 8 minutes
GG
>Skyline = Infiniti G
>G competes with 3 series et al
>>14667657
>>14667962
>>14669271
>bug
>LS1
>CTVS
>>14667723
>faggy little faggot car that can't drift
lol you wut, the Skyline can't drift either because AWD. It understeers like the Cobalt if anything
>>14669794
http://www.m3forum.com/articles/Car_and_Driver_Sept_1997.pdf
I bet you get all your info from Best Motoring videos on youtube and you thought the Supra was pigfat cantturn too right.
>>14667926
>I'm Retarded: the Post
>>14670990
>I would know I drive one all the time
>>14667027
>aussie
That's an American manufacturer you dumbfuck
>>14671240
Its a re-badged Holden Manaro is what he was getting at.
>>14666979
>European:
Audi Quattro
>American:
seriously no idea there
>>14670990
ATESSA-E-TS
>>14671093
>this ad says it so it must be true!
Only eight cars tested, ITS TOTALLY THE BEST HANDLING CAR OF THE 1990s!
Retarded bmwcuck.
>>14670990
Lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK1AsjYYqr0
>>14668950
We have a winner!
>>14668988
As a citizen of any other country, that really isn't true. It's got legendary status in pretty much every european country as well.
>>14671385
>Only 8 cars
>Still better than MKIV Supra, NSX, Corvette, etc. but wants to make excuses because X obscure and unreliable car wasn't made until 1997 to compete
ok
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5648493
>Better than: C5 Corvette, 2nd Gen 3KGT VR4, MKIV Supra TT
>>14671448
I was thinking this, not produced in America in 1997 so it doesn't fit the very specific requirements of car and drivers silly test :^)
Again,
>a measly eight cars tested from a single year, so its the best handling car of the entire decade!
>>14671477
>being this assmad your jdmtyte shitbox didn't get featured
besides, why be mad? everybody knows the Integra was the best-handling car in the world.
>>14666979
Old American equivalent: Chevelle SS
Dunno what the new American equivalent would be.
>>14669271
Actually thats a STS-V
>>14667775
Unironically my favorite looking Mustang.
Without the spoiler that is.
>>14666979
> USA
Fuck knows.
> Europe
Just import it.
>>14667691
i second that
>>14671519
>tfw owned an integra and she got killed by a flood
>>14669732
Its not a crack in the bumper, if you scan old magazine pictures theres a chance pubes will get scanned also
>>14666979
>GTR
>Not living up to hype
What?
BMW M3 for purpose and usability and Porsche 911 for things that logically would not work but does.
>>14666979
Ford Escort RS Cosworth.
>>14666979
The GTR doesn`t look like a family car.
An M5 E34 touring is a proper 90`s family sports car
Or the RS2
>>14679180
