Why aren't you driving a diesel?
Driving fast and recklessly is so 2010. Now it's about mpgs, safe motor vehicle operation and low blood pressure so you live longer.
They're best with manual transmission so you gotta like that.
>>14477307
>implying you can't go fast on a diesel.
>jumping on a bandwagon
Be gone boomer.
>>14477307
>diesels
>not fast
Are you a fucking retard? I knew a dude who had a Ram 3500 with a cummins, but did some shit to it so it was pushing 700 HP.
Regardless, the reason I don't have one is because I can't afford it yet. But soon.
>>14477308
Is there a single diesel sports car?
>>14477348
since when are sports cars the only vehicles that can be fast?
>>14477348
>Sportscars are about being fast
No, they're about being agile.
Read up, bitch.
Because I replaced my circulatory system with braided lines, so extra pressure is no problem.
>>14477348
and fuel burned in a combustion engine makes difference how?
>>14477377
>and fuel burned in a combustion engine makes difference how?
You share a mindset with the guys who made the Olds 350 diesel.
>>14477359
>>14477362
I was just piggy-backing on some comment.
The point is that diesel cars are boring.
"Spirited performance and nimble handling" is not something that diesels are made for.
>>14477377
The way it's burned makes a difference, because it requires stronger, heavier components, and you can't get the same rpm with a diesel engine. Sure, you'll have a lot of torque, but that's really it? Isn't it?
>>14477348
yes.
the very best of them usually are
>>14477307
bmw 335d has like 550 N.m of torque. That is one hell of an acceleration considering it only weights 1300 kg
Because I like revs and hate expensive repairs
But I do.
>>14477348
>m550d
>big engined german diesels
>Alfas 2.4 jtd
>porsche diesels
>golf gtd
>etc
They get to speed much faster than the petrol counterparts. The top speed isnt as great but it's negligible.
>>14477402
you can get same amount of power as a petrol engine and you get the extra torks. So what if its heavier? Not gonna be a massive issue and rpm literally dont matter, powerband is smoothed out nowadays anyway
>in s/o/cal
>87 is currently about $2.50
>diesel is currently about <$2
>go on cl
>cheapest reasonable running choice for a beater is $220
>http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5421055573.html
>>14477570
>only has $2200 to spend on a car
nope, don't do it, use your bus fair a little longer.
>>14478431
>bus fair
who tf goes on /o/ if they don't have a car or bike? also its fare not fair
also check the case on the name nigga
>>14478911
>who goes on /o/ who doesn't have a car
who the fuck goes on /o/ who doesn't know how to fix their own car and then ask for help on buying something they know nothing about.
fuck off bus rider.
>>14477307
because diesels objectively poolute like shit and cause cancer. nobody fuc5kinf drives them in the US because unlike yurope we dont like smog. only bro trucks are seemingly exempt for sor5eading their literally cancerous particulate matter and i wish all coal burners would die.
Gas is cheap fuck off VAG nothing is clean about a diesel. CO2 is fake. Smog and NOx are real.
>>14477307
I'm stuck in the noughties baby.
>>14478932
you seem upset :^)
are my 50mpgs bothering you?
or perhaps it's my drive-ability and torque?
>>14477307
Why the fuck would you want to live longer?
Please show me a diesel car or, at the largest, full size pickup truck that:
>is readily available from non-private sellers on the USDM
>is less than 5 years old
>comes in a stick
>wouldn't fit in in a sorority house parking lot
>is not a Ram 2500.
>>14478932
Please go hang yourself. Burning any petroleum product causes cancer not just diesel. Even living causes cancer. And to let you know smog isn't just caused by diesel pollution. It causes by burning any type of fuel. Whether it be gas, diesel, coal, wood, etc. Also don't go blaming all the diesels for all particulate matter in the air. Gdi engines are doing alot of the polluting too.
>>14477348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24afjVqm2Uw
>>14478948
Yeah, but if you drive that piece of shit at it's limit, any normal car would keep up with it easily and get better mpg in the same circumstances.
>>14478932
>complains about Diesel cars
>shitposts using coal generated electricity
>burns literally Diesel to heat his home
>>14477307
Because diesels are pathetic.
Petrol cars are becoming more and more economic and aren't anywhere NEAR as filthy for the environment.
Diesels should be banned, for anything that doesn't absolutely require one like trucks and such.
how come we don't see any diesel sports cars?
what if we had a diesel miata or fr-s?
>>14480590
they'd have torque for a change....
>>14477307
>Why aren't you driving a diesel?
Because I don't have one. Duh.
>>14480604
so, gobs of torque and excellent mpg's.
great, so why have neither mazda or toyobaru thought of using diesel in their sports car?
>>14480620
Because muh meme revs
>>14480533
Go hang yourself too. Might as well ban anything more then three cylinders and anything thay has more then 1.3 liters of displacement. And just to let you know diesels are not the main source of pollution in the world.
>>14478918
k den
Way too noisy for me
>>14480620
Because of the power delivery. They produce power in a much smaller rev range as compared to a petrol engine. Unless you are mating it to a 8 speed auto its not going to work
Fuck off MADD/Ralph Nader/EPA shill
>>14480362
>heat home
Not in Florida, buddy. My house doesn't even have a heater.
>>14480312
>everything causes cancer
>here smoke a cigarette why use a vape?
Literally. Retarded. Cars don't produce hardly any particulate emissions sweetie pie, and diesels produce far more smog producing CO and NOx than gasoline automobiles.
>>14480312
coal burners are pic related, bro trucks who roll coal. and no, nobody in the US of A burns diesel to produce electricity except in back up generators. Way too expensive and it makes nanny EPA very unhappy.
>>14478948
Won't get 50mpg when VW recalls your ass.
>>14477570
>reasonable
does not mean
>high mileage
>green rattle can job
>no AC
>36mpg like that is supposed to impress someone
>body damage galore
>spray painted fox
and to top it off
>salvage title
what in god's name is wrong with you man?
>>14481002
Civic diesel would make close to 100mpg if it was sold in US.
Honestly the main reason not to buy a diesel is the +500€ annual diesel tax. I don't drive enough for the cheaper fuel and higher mpg would compensate that. In Finland it is estimated that you have to drive annually more than 30k kms to benefit from using diesel. And I also have a gasoline powered car and changing a car to another in order to increase fuel economy rarely makes sense.
>>14477402
>same power, more torgue
>'but muh RPM!!!!!!'
you're a fucking retard, kid
>>14481013
okay a bit haggard
maybe I would get it if it was $500 or something tho
it already gets double the fuel economy I get in my car and it's cheaper per gallon
only other options under 3 grand in my area are old top of the line mercedes turbodiesels and we don't really need to say much more about those
>>14478932
>Co2 is fake
this nigga
>>14479071
BMW 335d
>>14477348
300SD
>>14480362
>Not having your own solar setup
>Burning oil for warmth
Are you a time traveler from 1880?
>>14481285
it isnt a harmful pollutant like pm, nox, co, hc, etc.
it literally is the natural byproduct of combustion and harmless.
>inb4 global warming
unquantifiable vs other pollutants we know cause damage. be as fuel efficient as possible but dont trade off fairy tale lefty bullshit co2 for truely dangerous pollutants. thats retarded.
>>14481169
>Civic diesel would make close to 100mpg if it was sold in US
finland must have some big gallons, i know the british one is diffrent from the american too. but alas the civic diesel does around 45/50 mpgs barely anyone has one as what's the point when you can get a fiesta diesel that does 70mpg and petrol cars have been pulling 45 mpgs out the ass since the late 80's
>>14481169
>Civic diesel would make close to 100mpg if it was sold in US.
This is the stupidest thing ive ever read. Are you a conspiracy theorist too?
There is more to pollution than fuel economy or money. Diesel is dirty and more harmful to humans health. Fuck dieselin passenger cars, why do you think its taxed? diesels cannot meet petrol engine emissions. not even close
>>14477348
There's the SLK 220CDI. Sure it's not a very good sports car, but it's still a sports car. I'm sure there's at least one diesel variant of the SLC too, but I can't be bothered to look it up.
There are a few borderline cases - various sport saloons and their coupe variants, various hot hatches the Audi TT, the Peugeot RCZ, the Alfa Brera, The Octavia VRS TDI...
>They get to speed much faster than the petrol counterparts
lolno. Every car both you and I listed comes with a petrol variant which accelerates considerably faster. Hot diesels are a thing in Europe because they're cheaper, not because they're better.
>>14478932
You can actively die by sniffing petrol exhaust fumes.
You can smell burning oil from a two stroke diesel but that is why they are no longer made. A four stroke is an equivalent of a charcoal smell, that is if it does not have a catalytic converter. But because particulates are denser they mostly linger ground level to your feet.
But do you know why you are wrong? Because sciance states diesel combustion does not force elements to fuse to generate energy. That is why there will never be a trace of carbon monoxide, the only molecule poison of emmisions that breaches the stratosphere. Still 90% vehicles present in both U.S. pre emmision reduction and modern is still petroleum.
>>14480590
BMW 123d
2.0l diesel biturbo, 204hp, 400nm (295 faggot units), ~6,5l/100km (36 mpg), 5l/100 autobahn cruising (47mpg)
i dont thing there is anything else with this consumption and fund
>>14477418
It's not a BMW engine kid.
Except I do
Shit's expensive as fuck here though
>>14477307
Why?
Because it operates and gains efficiency on retarded principles
> 14 to 20:1 compression ratio
> λ value of 0.8 - 0.6
> can't rev because fuel burns too slow
> no throttle so automatically less umping loses
> Fuckhuge EGR
also
> rattling
> literal dogshit (an no torque) if naturally aspirated
> needs at least 6 -7 gears to be drivable
> subsidies
> public money is spent to further "develop" and polish this turd, for example simulation of 2 strokes with micron accuracy that took over 40 days on a several PF supercomputer
face it, diesels in road cars exist only because they are on "life" support and were merely allowed to.
>>14481411
>> rattling
just 4 banger, not as bad as it used to be. modern engines are pretty smooth
>> literal dogshit (an no torque) if naturally aspirated
diesel no torque? u wot?
>> needs at least 6 -7 gears to be drivable
what? i havent seen a 7 gear manual in my whole life and i've driven a lot of diffrent cars here in germany with many diesels
older diesels have all 5 gears, and some modern too
>>14481456
>older diesels have all 5 gears
THe fuck? Mine has only 4. Am I being cheated here by Jewcedes Benz?
>>14480666
devilish trips
i agree with you too mate, cars be it petrol or diesel are not the main sources of pollution
>>14481169
in new zealand diesels cost more for registration and you have to pay for the kms you use, cheapest is $50 per 1000kms, rego has come down in price, my gc8 is 200 per year for rego, my mother in laws hilux is 700 per year having a ute also costs more, around 35% more then a car or suv
>>14477307
Just compare the air quality in Paris to the air quality in Los Angeles and you have your answer.
>>14477307
As diesel owner:
It's expensive to buy, heavy on maintenance, stinks, vibrates, sounds like shit, has very narrow power band.
>>14481803
We need catalytic converters, DPF and periodic emission inspection for cattle too
>>14481822
yea i know what you mean, good torque for 1000rpm if lucky, the smell is quite awful especially if your sitting in traffic, repairs can be more expensive and time consuming, diesel mechanics are over priced in nz, and everytime your sitting in traffic or at lights it sounds like your sitting in a tractor
>>14481823
straight pipe my cows, for hektik mooing
>>14481822
>narrow power band
But that's what's fun
>>14481823
And don't forget, adblu (yeah I know cattle doesn't make particulates it's a joke alright)
>>14477307
As soon as Honda makes a diesel Peterbike
>>14481828
>sounds like your sitting in a tractor
Don't drive a 3 pot 0.9 litre ecodiesel shitheap, get a decent diesel car like a 3 litre Benz.
>>14481833
never driven a vehicle with that little displacement, mother in laws 2007 hilux sounds like a tractor, so does my dads land cruiser, friends nissan navara also sounds pretty tractor like, nissan safari(4.2 litre turbo diesel) sounds like a tractor with a turbo
>>14481832
No, it's quite nice for commute and stop and go traffic but it's no fun since you get inital kick at 2krpm till 3krpm and it gradually starts to die off and when you reach 4krpm it's like you're towing 2 ton trailer behind you.
It's exact opposite of something like Honda engines.
>>14481860
My 2006 Chrysler 300C sounds like your average car, maybe a bit lumpier but no way sounds like a tractor. That thing also screams quite weirdly when you gun it, but yet again doesn't sound like a tow truck.
When driven normally, it's actually extremely quiet inside the cabin and not all that loud outside either.
Still the thing has enough power and MUH TORKS to blow past any wannabe ricer faggot in their VW's and Hondurrs. BMW's are also quite prone to get left behind every now and then
>>14481859
Big diesel engines like Nissan/Toyota sound quite sweet when under load but yeah you can't call them quiet of refined.
>>14481877
the safari im talking about has a ar60 top mount, the thing is crazy fast and the turbo sound is sexy has a 4inch down pipe and 3.5inch straight pipefrom the downpipe the whistle is insane, will take pics next time im at me brother in laws
>>14481887
I had old MQ 160 SWB 3.3TD, sweetest sounding engine ever. Was low on power but I had so much joy just listening to that exhaust note.
>>14481870
Nothing wrong with is since fuel is so expensive in Europe but Americans could argue that you get V6 performance for V8 hemi price.
>>14481913
The OM642 powered 300C was only sold in the EU, basically a Mercedess Benz dressed up as an American. The diesel V6 loses out only slightly in torks and clearly in HP. With a decent tune the diesel V6 is up there with the 5.7 Hemi while consuming less fuel and having a ridiculous amount of torque.
>>14481329
UK has big gallons
>>14481337
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/356226-lowest-fuel-consumption-all-24contiguouseu-countries-all-cars
>>14481902
diesel turbo whistle is awesome
>>14481919
Nah, 3.0 diesel pushed to V8 power output, it's not even possible with stock injectors and turbo and even if you get there it would be as reliable as 1000hp V8 turbo.
Diesel in passenger cars is just answer to specific problem of high fuel taxes that exist only in Europe.
My prediction is that US will just jump over diesel phase and go straight to electric.
>>14482042
But diesel is more expensive to own here than normal engines.
>>14482048
You pay more in the start but if you drive a lot in most cases you'll offset that with savings on fuel.
The key is selling before expensive things start to go.
>>14482059
>The key is selling before expensive things start to go
On that 300C, it's the SWIRL and EGR that are worrying me. I always wanted a big ass Chrysler, like a proper American fullsized car, but had to cheap out because a petrol V6 sounds lame as shit and the V8's were stupid expensive. Had to make do with the diesel V6 and because it's a Mercedess engine, which was lauded as like super reliable and shit like that.
I do also own a '76 Mercedess 300D NA, that thing is ridiculously slow, but I don't think there's like anything that could break in it if you do even something resembling maintenance.
>>14480666
Fuck off Satan. Diesel burning ships are the main cause of pollution
>>14482083
was talking about cars you nit wit, even so there is bigger polluters, like coal burning power plants
diesel doesn't have the noise and power delivery suited for a sports car
sure it can make the numbers but if it flops on all the subjective stuff it's shit
>>14482068
Only real problem I've heard of are intake flaps, don't know it those are called swirl. The problem with high mileage is that many things can go wrong on diesel. Have two friends that lost their engines. bmw 530d injector got stuck and burned a hole in cylinder, another one had runaway engine on 525d (blown turbo seals, intercooler full of oil) that caused him to hit another car and then engine proceeded to destroy itself and auto gearbox.
ERG is nothing to worry about, cheap to replace however most times they fail because intake becomes totally clogged with soot.
I also like american cars, rented V6 Charger while visiting US, so cool compared to euro stuff we have here.
Diesel cars have a small but rabid fan base that suck diesel dick, wrecking the used diesel market. Otherwise I would own one. They're ideal for most American driving conditions.
>Driving fast and recklessly is so 2010. Now it's about mpgs, safe motor vehicle operation and low blood pressure so you live longer.
Fuck that shit. If I end up lieing on my death bed having lived my life "safe" and "cautious" I want someone to drag my dieing ass into an F-body and break 200 MPH or rip a sikk drift before the life leaves me.
Living safe is fucking boring. I know not to be reckless but what is life if you don't live every once in a while?
>>14481831
Well played, you son of a bitch.
>>14482102
Yeah, intake flaps are SWIRL flaps. They aren't doing anything bad themselves, they actually help the engine work a bit better and ever so slightly improve performance. The thing is that the EGR is the one ruining them, you don't recirculate fucking diesel soot, that thing doesn't burn anymore. It just soots the insides of the engine and ruins them.
>>14481002
You should do some reading before opening your mouth.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/you-vape-high-levels-formaldehyde-hidden-e-cigs-n290826
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/28/un-study-says-diesel-trucks-might-not-be-worst-emission-offender/
http://articles.sae.org/13624/
>>14482083
Ship engines are more efficient than any road going diesel engine.
Everybody always fucking blames North America from polluting the most when fucking third world countries have billions of 2 strokes burning leaded gas and alcohol. Plus all the factories and the waste they dump into the oceans.
>>14481411
Nice bait there.
>>14477307
because i want to get to my destination before my car does.
How come no one mentions the ford 6.7 trucks? Fast as fuck in non dually form. If they are modded its fast in any configuration
>>14481411
Shit for brains: the post.
>>14484817
I'm glad you trip, it makes the "troll or retard" question redundant.
I am.
I bought it because I needed something with low end torques and some off road capability for towing and dropping the seadoo in muddy lakes and fine sand beaches.
Comparing the 3.2 diesel to the 3.8 V6 gasoline option for the same car:
>hp: D=200hp @ 3800rpm G=250hp @6000rpm
>max speed: D=185km/h G=200km/h
>0-100km/h: D=10.6s G=10s
>torque: D=44,7kgfm @ 2000 G=33,6kgfm @ 2750
>consumption (city/hw): D=8,5/10,5km/L G=5,3/6,7km/L LOL
Love the car, it's a tank.
>>14480989
THIS
>>14482102
>anything past 90s BMW
No fucking wonder. Don't be retards and buy non-german instead. BMW and Audi brands have been running on fumes for years and their boasts have been proven to be bullshit for years.
It's weird that Japanese and French engines don't have the same issues isn't it? Fuck, even the modern Ford engines are efficient as fuck and reliable. I've got a 2003 Focus 1.8 diesel and it's ONLY just started dying at 150,000 miles with a shitty service history.
Don't trust BMW or Audi. They have been shit for years and their competition stepped up and outperformed them in terms of everything outside of outright speed, years ago.
