How come it's 2016 and the inline 6 engine is yet to be bested?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8g1-p2CV7E
>>14452712
>inline 6
>not hemi V8
Consider suicide.
>>14452712
Because
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>>14452717
mah nigga
>>14452717
Yeeeeeeee
>>14452712
>implying it wasn't bested 25 years ago
>>14452712
Sounds like a fart canned Accord V6 and puts out 200hp to the wheels, fuck off please with this garbage.
Straight six's are the celery of gas engines, be a V8 or be nothing.
>>14452758
>e46 m3
>200hp to the wheels
wew lad
>>14452752
Fellow musclefag?
Inline six is only used by shitty manufacturers like BMW and Porsche, who make 'enthusiast' faggot cars. They are bought by people who go to track days and car meets.
>>14452712
Jesus Christ that sounds terrible. Sounds like a fart can'd civic.
>>14452754
3 rotor with a turbo as big as the housings is best
>>14452712
Because it's naturally based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztnXMEpYyVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Hjn6UoPAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdOyoiuj6bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdAPo3bryys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZxHzLnAQ5w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwC-D5SEFOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtNLJUD6MU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqSgG-yN9Bo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcbR9xK9oNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZ4WVdo-rs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfz-ptVZ13g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yVHAg9y-yI
>>14452717
>Monstruous engine
>Bottleneck intake and tiny carburetor setup
Lrn2 efficiency
>>14452826
>he doesn't like inefficient monstrous engines
>he will never go 40 gallons to the mile in a Hemi Cuda
>>14452826
lrn2 velocity, that intake carb combo makes that big block super responsive
>>14452789
Holy shit this.
Sounded halfway decent at idle, but otherwise it sounds like a kazoo
>>14452789
I'm a huge fan of any engine configuration, but my favourites are strung V8's and I6's, that exhaust sounds like ass and really needs a second look at.
>>14452826
>That W124 diesel
I fucking came
Not loving the glorious v8.
https://youtu.be/-HaKGg8Txo0
>>14452826
>First link
Jesus christ those things must be at the limit while IDLING, the poor fucking transmissions.
>>14452712
You literally made i6s look bad with that link.
>inb4 OP's car
>>14452879
All the venom of an enraged hampster.
Best sound coming through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo5IbRhh7TM
>>14452897
Mmmmm. ITB's.
https://youtu.be/-dkqY1ttkpA
That's because it's the best engine layout.
Balanced, powerful, efficient, what's not to love?
V6/V8s are a compromise for space and I4s are a compromise for economy.
>muh S54
plebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcdIhrYvDx4&t=2m12s
>>14452782
>Porsche
>inline six
>BMW
>shitty manufacturer
This has to be bait. Dear babyfucking Mohamad riding a pig please let this shit be bait. Nobody is that fucking stupid, right?
>>14452758
You're either a nigger or a boomer. Both of which ruin everything.
>>14452717
Now this one I KNOW is a boomer.
>>14452902
The V6 is a shit design, the V8 makes sense though. Even my I6 autism can recognize that. I4s are fun to fuck with.
>>14452782
How are track days ever a bad thing?
I wish inline 5s were more common.
>>14452916
It's funny how you hate niggers and muslims and yet that's the only people who drive m3's lel.
Have fun with that 200hp piece of shit you bought off of jamal or mohammod,
>>14452916
>Now this one I KNOW is a boomer.
I'm 24.
>>14452932
>200hp
There you go looking stupid again. US spec e36 M3s had 240HP, e46 M3s had 333HP.
And in civilized countries that aren't whatever hell hole you live in white people drive the BMWs.
>>14452932
My 4 cylinder naturally aspirated engine makes more than 200 to the wheels..It's sad really.
>>14452943
>>14452943
Then why are you fawning over grossly obsolete cold war era technology?
>>14452958
It's what his daddy told him to like.
>>14452958
>>14452965
You guys realize naturally aspirated v8 engines have the potential to put out 500+hp right? They aren't the same engines you guys are referring too.
>>14452717
Yeeeee this rite here m8
>>14452950
A BMW S1000RR makes more than 200HP from the factory and does so with a liter of displacement.
Go ahead and claim your shitbox makes more than a stock M3 from the 90s, I'm sure all the lunch table racers at your high-school believe you.
>>14452958
>Then why are you fawning over grossly obsolete cold war era technology?
I've always had a thing for pigfat. It's probably all the hot rods I saw driving around my home town.
>>14453018
Oh, well that's all a bit different then isn't it?
Carry on then.
>>14453014
>comparing motorcycle engine to car engine
How autistic are you exactly?
>>14452782
>Porsche
>inline-6
>>14453027
Danke.
>>14453027
>having to lie about a 20 year old car's output to make your Camry seem interesting
How pathetic are you exactly?
if i6s are so great why are they swapped for v8/v6/i4s in top-tier motorsport?
>>14452712
Inline six is pigfat though, with a shit weight distribution.
>>14453109
Eventually displacement does become a limiting factor in power output and its more feasible to make 5.0l+ v8's then it is to make 5.0l+ straights sixes. Not to mention many of the benefits of the straight six aren't necessary in motorsport such as linear power curves and overall smoothness/vibration.
>>14452918
Track days aren't a bad thing. People who visit them though, are either great fun, or some of the worst people you ever meet.
TRACK DAY BRAH
>>14452902
The modern inline six is as efficient, balanced and powerful as the inline six - except it doesn't feature the almost-V12-tier packaging. Inline six engines will have their CoG way forward compared to a V6, which is what you don't want in a front engined RWD car. It's no wonder Cadillac and Jaguar are going to overrun BMW's M3.
>>14453145
>>14452916
>You're either a nigger or a boomer.
>he doesn't recognise the physical superiority of the Hemi
Time and time again, in engine build competitions, the 3rd gen dominates.
>>14453109
If I6s aren't so great, why was the R32 so based?
>won all 29 JGTC races it ever entered
>won 24 hours of Spa in 1991, 1st place at Bathurst 1000 that year and the year after
on the other hand
>Nissan races R33-based GT-R to race at Le Mans in 1995
>loses out to NSX in GT2
>Toyota sends Supra powered by L4 3S-GTE for GT1
>loses to the GT2 Skyline
>M3 GTR
>comes with L6 in street version
>gets BTFO at ALMS
>>14452949
Actually, if there's any civilised country to drive a BMW in, it's Germany. Guess what, majority of E36/46 M3 owners there are ethnically challenged. It's better in countries like Italy and Spain, but in northern/western Europ, most of these get driven by shitskins.
>>14453164
English isn't your first language, huh?
>>14452958
Because the Hemi is one of the most significant and desireable engine designs from that era? It's severely underrated, capable of just over 500ci of displacement on a stock block, and capable of figures in excess of 750hp naturally aspirated - even more when boosted.
Then there's the current Hemi. The most outdated of all current V8 engines, but it's always the one that wins engine buildoffs. It's airflow superiority is just massive compared to any other engine.
>>14453178
>why was the R32 so based?
Because it was the only car with AWD and the reason it was subsequently banned
>>14453183
Yup, but main problem is that I'm on mobile, and I'm not proofreading.
The modern V6 is as efficient, balanced and powerful as the inline six - but it doesn't have the almost-V12-tier packaging of an I6. Inline six engines will have their CoG more forward compared to a V6, which is exactly what you don't want in a front engined RWD car. It's no wonder Cadillac and Jaguar are seriously contending with BMW's M3- the I6 is holding it back.
1jz vvti sounds so fucking good...
idle-2000 rpms doesnt sound good but then holy shit bruh
>>14453211
that and the class it ran in had a tire width limit of 11"
>>14453178
>why was the R32 so based
AWD system that overcame the pigfat of an iron block twinturbo I6.
>>14453181
>can't find a problem with the car
>better talk about the drivers
To be fair, Germany would have a lot of shitskins driving BMWs because Germany has so many Aloha Snackbars in it and they have to drive something.
Here in America, dindus drive newer 7 Series because they depreciate like condoms for some reason.
>>14453191
Gen 2 Hemis are quite terrible engines both for the street and for racing.
You need to have massive piston domes to get any sort of decent compression limiting your rpm and making the engine super octane sensitive because of the shitty crescent shaped combustion chamber. Also the heads are so big, you might as well go for a DOHC head which will flow better at lower valve-lifts & much lower spring pressures.
>>14453265
>they have to drive something
They actively flock to W201 Mercs, and E36/46 BMW's though. The amount of snackbars driving those is disproportional to their population.
Anyways, there's plenty wrong with those gen M3's. Their engines are long and bulky, with their CoG way forward compared to the equivalent V6, even compared to a well-placed V8. Put all those goodies on a V engine, and it'd be just as responsive, with just as much power, but it'd have a way better weight distribution.
>>14453289
Heads would be exponentially bigger if you converted them to DOHC. Look at the Cammer for examples of that (and imagine the timing chain on a DOHC Hemi).
Besides, most of those problems are mostly fixed with the third gen.
>>14452712
The inline 6 was bested in 1989, faggots.
https://youtu.be/3Y-Gdz6N-dU?t=4m7s
>>14453149
>linear power curve is an inline 6 specific trait
what?
4L Barra best inline 6
>>14453450
By what standard?
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>>14453319
>post this
>I6 faggot fanboys are nowhere to be seen
Just as I thought.
To relate content, posting one of the smoothest highway truck motors.
>>14453291
>Baby's first troll post
If not, let me explain why you're wrong:
Those generations of M3s have ideal 50/50 weight distribution
For the equivalent size, and I6 will be lighter than a V6.
They are long though.
>>14453738
>For the equivalent size, and I6 will be lighter than a V6.
What was that about troll posts?
>>14453605
The only standards that matter cunt.
Australian standards.
Fuck you.
>>14452857
>427 Cammer
MUH. FUCKING. DICK.
>>14453773
Well we can go back in forth comparing V6 and I6 engine weights all day if you like? On average the I6 will weight less due to less parts and a less bulky block but I'm sure there are exceptions.
It doesn't matter what I post, it'll never be "definitive" enough for this place.
>>14453738
40/60 is ideal for me
>>14452717
as a recent convert i have to agree autofam
>>14453820
>posting the worst looking falcon
gheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
X series and e series undisputed best`
AU series being the worst and BA not far behind
FG and BF much better
>>14453839
Good for you, do you race F1 cars or something too?
Otherwise that's too much weight in the back.
>>14453738
>ideal
>50/50
Pick one. A proper RWD car has a rear weight bias. A V6 shifts the weight rearward compared to an inline six, meaning it'd result in a better (rear-biased) weight distribution.
>I6 is lighter
Lelno. Imagine them both as two inline threes bolted together. An inline six is two inline three heads and two inline three blocks, the V6 can be seen as two inline three head on a single block. Given the same displacement, water pump etc. This means that the V6 will be lighter - and most importantly, it shifts the weight rearward in a longitudinal setup.
>>14453872
That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works. I could type out how it's wrong but I ain't falling for this bait.
only way the i6 falls down is in packaging.
smoothness i dont really give a shit about its all about power delivery and torque which v8 and modern i6's have in spades.
the problem is when you have to cram a i6 into a modern engine bay you just cant, even volvos transverse i5 and i6 went the way of the dodo that leaves what 2 manufactuers bimmers and pooshhhe
Dont get me wrong i LOVE i6's but after many long years of driving them i have to admit v8 is infinitly superior, fuck v6's to death though unless they are supercharged or twin turbo
NA v8 = NA 6 = Turbo i6 > FI v8 > FI v6 > Forced v6 > turbo 4 > anything else > i4 na > i3 bullshit
>>14453905
>i3 bullshit
Kek.
>>14453871
>Otherwise that's too much weight in the back.
>LaFerrari: 41/59 F/R
>McLaren P1: 41-59
>Lotus Elise: 39/61
Good handling RWD cars have between high 50's and low 60's percentage of weight over their rear axle.
>>14453897
>50/50 is a myth
http://automotivethinker.com/chassis/stop-and-weight-a-5050-weight-distribution-is-not-optimal/
>V6 is lighter than inline six
Yes it is. Post theoretical proof otherwise if you disagree.
>>14453824
>On average the I6 will weight less due to less parts and a less bulky block but I'm sure there are exceptions
Now this is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. On average the V6 will weigh less due to a less bulky block. With a V6 engine, half the material within the crank case is shared with the opposing cylinder arrangement.
This is before you take into account the amount of weight that is forced over the front axle. moment of inertia is more important that an arbitrary f/r ratio.
Gr8 engine in Mercedes 300E. Gr8 engine in Jeep Cherokee. Long service life, torquey
>>14453914
fire it with kill
>>14453820
It's a shame that sans turbocharger, it's inferior to the Alloytec and SiDi V6 fitted to the Commodore then...
>>14453905
...Are you actually implying Porsche's utilise I6s?
>>14453941
>implying they dont
wut?
>>14453945
Post one. Go on. I'll wait.
>inb4 I was shitposting all along
>>14453945
Show me a Porsche that uses an inline six then.
>>14453953
>>14453954
ah i meant a boxter six i always call them i6 in my head for some fucking reason.
fuck
>>14453967
How
Wat
How in fucks name of fucking fuck do you call a boxter an ''inline''? What kind of retard logic do you need for that? I can understand just claling them a flat engine, but inline?
>>14453974
>not knowing falcunt is intellectually disabled
How new are you?
>>14453974
i dunno i guess its closer to a v6 innit
muh brains its like midnight here in ausfailia
>>14452712
I think an inline 6 is the best when considering a normal car for everyday use -> good torque low down (without turbo), low vibration, less parts for servicing than a V6. But the benefits of I6 are somewhat diminished when considering a racing scenario when you're always revving in the upper 20% of the range and the main pluses are low CG and high power output - then an H6 or a boxer is better.
Buttery smooth. Contrary to the belief of the I6 tards.
>>14453941
they use an horizontally opposed six retard
>>14453991
Torque is independant of piston layout. Torque depends on engine airflow, cam selection and bore:stroke ratio.
Modern V6 is as vibration-free as an inline.
Boxers/flat engines may offer a low CoG, but they're wide, usually comrpomising suspension. Besides, you still can't dump their crankshaft 10mm off the pavement, even when racing, because you still need an oil pan beneath them, and you need exhausts. V6 is superior in both racing in street.
>>14454011
...Are you actually implying that post is saying otherwise, retard?
>>14454012
Ok. You're probably right. But I still like the penis like shape of an inline 6. It's a natural cock extension in my BMW and I wouldn't like to have a V6 instead of that.
>>14453998
my v8 is also smoother than my i6's
Are there any manufacturers who made flat eights /H8, the largest flat engines I know of are Porsche flat sixs
>>14454030
You don't say.
https://youtu.be/3Y-Gdz6N-dU?t=4m7s
>>14454038
Dude. Porsche made flat eights in the fifties. ALl their racecars back then had them. Then there's the 917, with it's flat 12. 5 litres, some of them with turbos, pushing out over 1000hp in qualifying trims. Awesome.
>>14453915
>LaFerrari: RMR
>MacLaren P1: RMR
>Lotus Elise: RMR
Ok buddy, nice comparison. Try FR cars next time.
Interesting article. Doesn't really dismiss 50/50 just explains the benefit of a good suspension set up on purpose-built racecars, not production road cars. On the other end of the spectrum the Focus ST is a superb handler but it has the normal 60/40 split you see in FWD, it just has a finely tuned suspension. 50/50 is still ideal for FR cars due to its predicability.
Let's put an example out there, the E36 M3's 3.0 I6 vs the NSX's 3.0 V6.
NSX's C30A: 440 lbs
M3's S50B30: 330 lbs
That's not the best comparison but I can't think of another.
>>14454061
>>14454138
>Imokwiththis.jpeg
>>14453871
its just a preference
I'm more into the way RR and MR cars handle is all
>>14454168
>dat snap oversteer
>>14454118
No. ~40/60 is ideal on ANY rear wheel drive car.
You're comparing apples to oranges there though. You show me any theoretical weight advantageof an inline six to a V6, I'll listen. You just can't deny that mergin the two halves of the inline six block into a V6 one should save a lot of weight.
>>14454180
>apples to oranges
I'm not. They are two 3.0 6 cylinder high performance engines from about the same era.
On a basic level, assuming it's the same engine otherwise, the V6 will weight more thanks to the additional balance shafts and additional timing complexity. Additionally, the extra mass in the center of the block to stop the engine from cracking in half isn't helping the V6 be light.
>>14454174
I prefer think of it as exploitable instability
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acjf66Qdj2U#t=0m10s
>>14454250
Balancing shafts don't weigh as much as a small engine block.
Additional timing? The camshaft on an inline six are twice as long, meaning they have to be overbuilt as fuck to not deform. If I could have a penny for everytime an inline six camshaft was snapped during install... They're long as fuck, and need to be overbuilt for it. Meanwhile, V6 cams can be short and stubby. Sure, you need two extra timing gears, but that's offset by the extra material needed in the inline six block to properly bear the cam.
What extra mass? Just because it has a thrust loading, doesn't mean it requires significant extra material.
>>14454174
Snap oversteer is more of a function of suspension than it is of proper engine location. Even an S2K can have snap oversteer.
>>14454118
BMW S54 - 478lbs
BMW S65 - 445lbs
BMW S55 - 452lbs
>>14454180
>40/60 is ideal on any rear drive car
>citation needed
>>14452712
How come it's 2016 and you're still making shitty threads?
>>14454118
>S50B30
>330lbs
Shortblock only maybe.
>>14452791
Why not 4
>>14454331
>citation needed
>>14453915
>http://automotivethinker.com/chassis/stop-and-weight-a-5050-weight-distribution-is-not-optimal/
tfw 50/50 under heavy breaking
>>14454393
interesting article, but that`s mostly just a personal insight/comment. There are more articles on why 50/50 is still better in most scenarios.
>For best handling we would want a low vertical C of G (e.g. low ride height) with the car’s longitudinal C of G in the middle of the front and rear axles giving a neutral feel. What’s commonly known as a 50/50 weight distribution.
http://www.wannarace.co.uk/page_2386994.html
>>14454755
wew lad
I6 a best
https://youtu.be/ynqnL0bUG2w?t=1m42s
https://youtu.be/px8x4y-y6bc?t=57s
this whole thread is worthless shit
fuck you faggots
>>14454893
discussion actually occurred here
a normal top trumps thread would kill your prissy little heart
>>14453178
M3 GTR's had a V8, m8.
>post in this thread
>go to bed
>wake up to this
Well this turned out to be a huge Internet fight didn't it?
>>14455315
What would you even put this in? It's too long for everything but 50's Cadillacs.
>>14455339
One guy built a couple to put in his racing boat.
>>14454755
>with the car’s longitudinal C of G in the middle of the front and rear axles giving a neutral feel.
so that discludes inline sixes then.
>BMW
>mah inline six
>one and a half cylinders behind the axle, four and a half on front
But a long a they pile weight behind the rear axle, the arbitrary weight distribution is what matters right?
>>14452712
sounds like shit
