Have a choice between a 5-speed Porsche 987 Cayman or a 6-speed AP2 Honda S2000
What should i d/o/?
honda
a porsche will make people think you're autistic / babydick
>>14452611
Porsche
There is no way to drive or own a newish porsche and not seem like a douchebag or a Disney tier villain
>>14452623
i dont really care about what people think, i just want a car that i can daily but still hoon in
>>14452611
Porsche because it's the objectively superior car and I don't give a fuck what other people think like this beta here >>14452623
get the hondur
>>14452636
someones defensive
did "babydick" strike a nerve?
>>14452632
>don't care what people think
>asks for opinions
Neither.
E46 M3/Z4M or C5 Corvette Z06
>Paying $20-25k for a S2K when you can get better cars
>Buying a base model Porsche
>>14452642
nope, just stating the truth
>>14452651
I'm not fond of American cars, and I grew up driving bimmers, so I just want to try something outside of my comfort zone
Also I hear the Z4 is shit
>>14452643
I'm just tryna see what other ppl think about either car objectively
>>14452663
$20-25k can get you a nice Z4M Roadster/E46 M3 and decent Coupe.
The S2K and non-S Cayman aren't special cars, IMO. Not very quick and expensive for what you get. Don't get me wrong, before /o/ weebs jump me the S2K is a fantastic car at the $10-15k price point. Its just that you can get better cars when your budget is $10k higher.
The C5 Z06 is a great driver's car too if you can tolerate the shit interior. Its a lot of car for the money, GM's best effort at making a car to beat the 360 Modena and 911 Turbo in the early 2000s.
http://www.planet-9.com/987-cayman-and-boxster-comparisons/39059-cayman-v-c5z06-track.html
>>14452611
Can you afford maintenance on the Cayman? If so, go for it.
If you have doubts take the S2K.
>>14452673
>what people think
>objectively
These words don't mean what you think they do.
>tryna
That explains it.
>>14452690
what got you so mad
>>14452700
>objective observation
>hurrr you're mad
I'd ask what made you so dumb but you were born that way.
>>14452611
porsche is like a MAC and honda is like a PC. one has UNLIMITED customization options while the other not so much.
disregarding values and maintenance prospects, the 987 is the better car in just about every way
>better looking
>mid engined
>more luxurious
>faster
>better handling
>better sound
there's no reason to go with the s2000 unless you really like hondas
>>14452722
Go back to your containment board.
>>14452725
mid engined cars are a meme
>>14452611
Miata
>>14452725
All this would apply is if the 987 was a S model.
But its not, its a regular Cayman.
>237-241hp; same as a S2000
>200-300lbs heavier than a S2000
>Mid-engined so it sucks dick to work on
>far worse maintenance costs
>>14452744
>
>>14452676
if it were an S porsche, it'd probably be a boxter, which would be around the same price
>>14452744
The horsepower rating might be similar, but there's less drive train loss and the flat 6 is going to have a lot more torque throughout the range (and I mean a lot more, considering how anemic the s2k engine is for over half its rev range), which makes it a lot more dd friendly.
>>14452628
>>14452623
why r these fags spouting shit like this
>>14452611
>You're exiting the parking garage and these two are blocking the exit. What do you do?
>>14452611
S2k
im gonna guess op is part of that vw buyback thing
BMW M Coupe (the one that came with the S54)
>>14456373
any particular reason?
>>14456423
already drove some bmw's in my life, trying somethin new
>>14452741
RWD anything is a meme when you daily drive or have to deal with leather.
>>14452744
Except the Honda probably doesn't make that much power until 21k RPM, and also lolnotorque.
If you'll be modding it the s2k, stock the Porsche
>>14456369
Turn 360 degrees and drive away.
>>14452611
Daily driver? Cayman
Weekend warrior? S2000
>>14452611
S2000 is a great piece of engineering. I'd get that.
What options does the Cayman have? Post link nao.
s2k
you want that 9k redline, you know you do
>>14452611
Porsche, the S2000 is old and slow.
>>14452663
New Z4 is shit the e85/86 M is god tier and better than the e46 M.
This guy is right you know >>14452676
>>14452632
Porsche is better for status symbol.
And for everything else too...
>>14452611
S2000 because Porsches are expensive to maintain and as a german I have to say that "german built" doesn't mean shit nowdays. I personally also think that the Honda looks better.
>>14452632
C5 Corvette Z06
I'm really not joking. Drive one and come back.
S2000 definitely, Drift city
>>14457773
most likely keeping it stock aside from maybe CAI, exhaust, cheap mods that'll make it mine essentially
The S2K is going to be cheaper to maintain/repair
>>14457881
I am planning to daily the car
>>14457911
Cayman would be just stock aside from the bose surround sound system
>>14459925
like i said, American cars aren't really my thing
>>14459926
Don't really want to make my daily into a drift-mobile
>>14459970
I live in LA where most S2k's are fucked beyond hell in terms of aftermarket mods, or at least it's difficult to find a bone-stock s2k that's not 22k+
>>14459978
Drive a few hours to AZ.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/5411253735.html
>>14459971
I'm jealous of your lifestyle if your "daily" can be a two seater with a tiny trunk.
>>14459991
>http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/5411253735.html
unfortunately i'm looking for an AP2 if it were an s2k
>>14459998
I mean the S2k has a tiny trunk but the porsche has a frunk and a larger trunk
>>14460007
>wanting the heavier S2K
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/5410376113.html
>>14459971
The only shitty part about a Corvette is the interior. The rest is world-class European. Its a awesome sports car. I wouldn't even bother looking at S2Ks if I could buy a C5 Z06 at the same price.
And there's the whole having 150hp more than both of the cars you're looking at too; without any mods and potential reliability issues good for at least 100k+ miles. 405hp/3000lbs in a car with 53/47 weight distribution, double wishbone suspension all around, 295 wide rear tires, 30mpg highway etc
http://blog.caranddriver.com/2001-04-chevrolet-corvette-z06-how-has-the-c5-version-of-the-z06-held-up-econo-exotics/
>>14460649
And there's the owners/audience: nearly always older men (cheap insurance) which makes them easy to find well taken care of.
You simply can't find a faster car unless you spend $30k on a used C6 Z06 or $60k for a used R35 GTR/997 Turbo.
>>14452611
PORSCHE
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>Fast
>MR layout (which is best layout)
>tons of trunk space
>2.5L or more (no replacement for displacement
>exhaust note makes me cum buckets
>it's a porsche
>Naturally aspirated
>Manual
>looks like sex
>no one will acuse you of being a honda fanboy ricer
>>14452611
from a daily driver point of view. both are debatable
the S2K has better MPG, but the porsche has a larger trunk and a front compartement. but the S2K is a lot easier to work on (and cheaper to send to the shop)
i would daily the S2K
>weekend warrior
the porsche is lighter, has a displacement of 2.5L (the smaller engine), a MR layout and the same BHP has the honda.
in short, the porsche 987 is better car for having fun
>>14452623
Lol youve got that backwards
>>14460680
Honestly I'm really thinking about trying to hunt down a C4 ZR1 with that LT5 in it. I like the looks better then the C5's or C6's.
>>14460700
987.1 base has a 2.7
987.2 base has a 2.9
The '96 - '00 986 base was the one with the 2.5
>>14460746
correct. my mistake.
even better though...
>>14459971
Cayman for sure then, it's a much more forgiving car when dealing with bumps and the torque is nice to have in traffic
Convertibles also suck in colder climates
Also the 2 trunks hold a lot of stuff
The Honda if you like easy maintenance/something you can fix yourself in a reasonable amount of time.
The Porsche if your rich and don't touch your cars and just want a fast status symbol.
Performance wise I'm willing to bet the AP2 S2000 could beat that Porsche around a track, especially if the driver knows what he is doing.
Oh and also keep in mind that the S2000 is way easier to learn how to go quickly on, assuming you don't already know how.
>>14461321
>Performance wise I'm willing to bet the AP2 S2000 could beat that Porsche around a track, especially if the driver knows what he is doing.
doubt it. the porsche is lighter, has more bhp, more torque, better brakes off the factory and is an MR.
>>14461321
So you don't actually know much about Porsches do you?
>>14459955
S2k would be pretty decently fast with all that, not to mention parts would be cheaper plus the revs
>>14461333
>Cayman vs Cayman S
It's actually heavier with the same power. Likely shittier brakes and open diff too
>>14461582
>Porsche
>shitty brakes
And an open diff us fine on an MR car as long as your area at the limit using R compounds or something
Why is everyone talking about track performance when OP wants a daily driver?
>>14459915
>987 Cayman
>"german built"
Try Uusikaupunki, Finland
>>14461854
S2Ks and Non-S Caymans have the same rotor size (11.8" x 24mm), the Cayman does have a larger brake pad surface (114x78mm vs 135x52mm for front brakes)
No Cayman has a factory LSD.
They actually do weigh almost the same. Track performance/circlejerking aside, they're pretty equal cars. The only difference is that I'd rather get a S2K for $12-18k than a $23-27k base Cayman. For $23-27k I can get cars that would fuck both sideways (Z4M Coupe/Roadster; C5 Corvette Z06). And don't the 987s still get IMS issues?
>>14460740
Honestly I'm not a fan of the ZR1s, they're much more expensive to fix than regular Corvettes.
Corvettes are still expensive to fix (keep in mind even though they were sold at Chevrolet dealers next to Luminas and Cavaliers; they're still seen as a "prestige" brand and the owners tend to be old boomers with money to blow), the ZR1 moreso because its a limited run motor made by Mercury Marine. The Z06s tend to be better track cars, lighter + cheaper parts and smaller.
Its why I fanboy them so hard; they don't take much work to be excellent track cars that you can still drive to work and back. Most of the mods you'll do to it will still keep it fairly streetable while able to handle 2-3 hours in 100F temps on Streets of Willow. All they need are tires, additional cooling and brake pads/ducting.
>>14462095
You can get a Cayman S for $27k in Canada, I'm sure a base Cayman would be the same as an S2000 that hasn't been beaten to shit in America
And IMS issues are so over blown that people are actually bitching about them for Turbo 911s that don't have an IMS all together
>>14461854
>>14462095
I had no idea that the cayman had an open-diff, that might be a deal breaker for me
>>14462095
The C4 ZR-1's LT5 was built by Mercury Marine and is expensive. The C6 ZR1's LS9 was built at GM's Performance Build Center. It is actually pretty easy to get parks for the LS9, and the LSA which was built in Mexico.
>>14462428
>needs an open diff for a daily driver
Why? Mid engine cars don't need an LSD unless they're racing, even the McLaren P1 has an open diff
>>14462832
is there really no difference between an open dif and lsd in daily driving? I'm asking because i have no experience comparing the two back to back
>>14457881
Exactly this.
The S2000 is an awesome car in the canyons or on track, but as an AP2 owner, I can say that it's absolutely terrible as a daily. I'd much rather commute in the Cayman.
Aftermarket is somewhat irrelevant, anything actually worth buying is available for both cars. The only thing the S2K has much more of is ricer/stance-tier cheapo trash.
>>14462879
Not in the slightest. If you were tracking your car and chasing lap times then you'd have a reason for an LSD
For a daily driver the only diff you want to avoid is a welded diff
>>14462898
>>14462961
thanks guys, usually /o/ is a cesspool of memes but this has been very helpful. Forsure going for the Cayman now
see me in the porsche general in may
>>14462989
No problem
Wasn't even shilling either, I love both cars but sincerely think a Cayman would be better for your needs
>>14452741
>>14452725
You both do know that the s2k is mid engine as well right?
>>14463152
> calling fr "mid engine"
I want this meme to end
>>14463165
But it is mid engine. Its not a meme.
Weather it's in front or behind the driver makes very little difference.
>>14452663
>bimmer
A true nig nog
>>14463194
>Weather
>>14463194
"Front" mid engine maybe, not mid engine
In front of the driver deal with it :^)
>>14463200
Dubs confirm OP dindu nuffin
>>14463194
Goddamn I expected NSX to be around 1300kg, not 100kg heavier
>>14463207
Yes it's in front,but its behind the front wheels. And it's therefore mid engine.
>>14463204
Whether
>>14463240
> mid enfine
Show me a classification from Honda directly stating it is "mid engine" thanks
> honda faggots in full desperation mode
>>14463152
But it's not RMR
>>14463218
The pregnant face lifted NSX's with the upgraded engines and transmissions were the most pig fat
>>14463254
I can't find anything about Honda specifically calling it mid engine but I did find this
#1
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front-engine,_rear-wheel-drive_layout#Front_mid-engine.2C_rear-wheel-drive_layout
#2
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/176587-s2000-a-mid-engine-car/
Front mid engine and rear mid engine are different things you autists
Rear mid engine gives you more traction over the driven wheels
>>14463382
Of course there different things but were arguing if it is mid engine.
FMR helps with braking
RMR helps with acceleration
>>14463399
People are idiots though, it's like arguing if an MDX is AWD or not because of where most of the power goes
The Porshe will be a better car to drive.
>>14463399
>FMR helps with braking
>RMR helps with acceleration
and a bullet in your idiotic head helps the humanity
