In the past GM and Ford were too pussy to try and compete on Europes own turf.
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/motors/ford-shelby-gt350r-mustang-driven-review-a3158256.html
With the quality of their performance cars going up and with their European competitors bringing out; cucked forced induction, paddle shifters and electric steering. Will Ford and GM take steps to bring their sports car models to Europe or will they be forever pussyified in the shadow of other European marques?
>>14441156
Its not really up to ford
Its whether or not Europeans would actually buy it
Anyways is it safe to say that the voodoo engine is possibly the greatest engine being made by America right now?
>cucked force induction
You remember de Z06 is supercharged right?
>>14441331
Yes, an xboxhueg V8 with a supercharger.
Not a quad turbo 0.6 liter I3 with sport mode.
>sports cars
>>14441156
I don't know if you know this, but Ford's been dominating the european market for years with their small hatchbacks.
Also, the Mustang is NOT A SPORTS CAR, no matter how many numbers it has.
>>14441342
>Not a quad turbo 0.6 liter I3 with sport mode.
>meanwhile, in Europe
>>14441386
>glorious American car removing the faggot European from the genepool
I see nothing wrong with that, it's both a sports car and a eugenics tool
>>14441156
>In the past GM and Ford were too pussy to try and compete on Europes own turf.
>>14441324
>Anyways is it safe to say that the voodoo engine is possibly the greatest engine being made by America right now?
Not while the Hellcat and Viper still exist.
>>14441406
>ant etc.
>>14441386
>NOT A SPORTS CAR
But it is. Even British reviewers think so. It has good power and it handles quite well, especially for the price.
>>14441391
>posts the old model
>GUISE THEY AREN'T DOWNSIZING AT ALL
>>14441156
The 350R and other limited performance models will probably never see Europe unless specifically imported. They've been cucking us Americans for years, giving us watered down versions of the euro car.
I for one am fucking glad ford is charging 100k euros for a Mustang GT.
>>14441419
Viper engine is great, and I'd take the Viper any day, but the voodoo engine is more impressive
The hellcat is just a big fucking supercharger
>>14441419
Viper sure
But am I the only one that isn't impressed by the hellcat
Anyone can slap a supercharger on a big v8 and make bigpower
>>14441489
>Anyone can slap a supercharger on a big v8 and make bigpower
Except that Chrysler makes 100 hp more than the rest.
>>14441482
>>14441489
Seems like I'm not alone
>>14441493
I'm not really looking at hp
The voodoo is a much more impressive engine
>>14441493
The hellcat only makes about 40hp more than the '13 GT500 and those didn't blow up after 100 miles.
>>14441475
>The 350R and other limited performance models will probably never see Europe unless specifically imported.
They're coming here though. Previous Shelby's, Boss', GT500's etc. have all come to Europe. Problem with the current GT350 is that you had to preorder them, so you won't be seeing them on the open market soon.
>They've been cucking us Americans for years, giving us watered down versions of the euro car.
That's your government though, not Ford or GM corporate. Long live emissions control...
>I for one am fucking glad ford is charging 100k euros for a Mustang GT.
lel, they're selling for low forties.
>>14441482
>>14441489
>Anyone can slap a supercharger on a big v8 and make bigpower
>The hellcat is just a big fucking supercharger
Nobody can slap a supercharger on arguably the oldest US-made V8, and make more power than all the others, and then still offer a warranty on it - and then sell it so damn well they'll have to put more power into the Viper to make it sell.
LT4 engine: designed 2015, engine family dating back to 2014. Direct injected: 650hp.
Hellcat: designed 2014, engine family dating back to 2003. Not even direct injected. 707 fucking horsepower.
>>14441530
Is having an old engine supposed to be impressive?
>>14441545
No, but having that old engine make market-dominating power should be.
>>14441482
Voodoo isn't all that impressive when you start comparing it to other flat plane crank V8's.
>The hellcat is just a big fucking supercharger
With a warranty. You find me a 700hp supercharger with an engine, a car, and a warranty. Despite both GM and Ford using more modern and efficient components (OHC, direct injection), the Hellcat offers more power.
>>14441419
>Hellcat
>implying it to have an engine that can compete agianst a mustang.
>>14441406
Nice Lolas bro
>>14441561
What about the fact that flat cranks where generally limited to 5 liters and below util the voodoo changed that
I guess I just have a appreciation for high revving NA motors
Don't get me wrong, I like the hellcat. I just think the voodoo is a better step forward.
>>14441588
We're talking about engines, not chassis'. You show me where the Mustang engine is better than a Hellcat unit.
>>14441596
>What about the fact that flat cranks where generally limited to 5 liters and below util the voodoo changed that
They weren't limited. Supercar manufacturers just got enough power out of a flat plane crank V8 to not need 5+L of displacement. Besides, the only reason the Voodoo is so large by flatplane standards is that it's based on the Modular engine platform, which is exactly what's holding it back.
>I guess I just have a appreciation for high revving NA motors
8250RPM isn't high though. Compared to a pushrod engine, sure, but not high in the grand scheme of things. Again, Modular engine design holding the Voodoo back. This shows especially in the piston speed of 25.6 m/s, they had to really work the oiling around for that. Simple engineering solution would be to up the bore and lower the stroke, but Ford has no provisions to go any bigger than the 94mm bore on the Mod motor.
>I just think the voodoo is a better step forward.
It's not a step forward if it's still based on the old crossplane V8. Voodoo would've been interesting had it been two 2.3 Ecoboost units sharing a common flat plane crankshaft. I still like it, but it just feels gimmicky.
Now, if they'd just strap two turbo's on the Voodoo, call it the Ecoboost V8, slap it into a GT350 and call it a GT500, I'd be happy. There's nothing stopping that engine from reaching 800hp. Well, except the piston speed maybe. Lower the RPM limit, done.
God i hope Ford puts that Engine in a super-car
If they won't put it in the Ford GT hopefully some Euro-manufacturer will use it in their hyper/super like Koenigsegg they did with the Modular Engine.
>>14441431
>Thinks engine size matters.
Stupid nigger.
>>14441324
Exactly. Europeans won't buy them because they don't meet the performance standards of the Euro brands.
>>14441642
There is a decent chance the GT500 could be the same Ecoboost V6 as the GT.
>>14441156
I thought ford hot hatches did well in europe?
European governments taxes the hell out of cars with high displacement, so traditional muscle cars aren't really worth the price
>>14442135
European governments tax the hell out of everything. Value added tax.
>people think rpm matters
>people think the voodoo is anything but a meme/gimmick
>meanwhile a pushrod truck engine blows away million dollar cars
>>14441847
This. You COULD get a Mustang, but it'd be smoked in every corner by something cheaper and smaller and lighter with 1/4 the displacement.
Ugh went and watched a couple videos of this car. It sounds so bad tbqh
>>14442317
>pic related
Here are the "Cheaper" faster cars you could get for the price of a GT350R
>$61,000 for the GT350R in the US
>$46,127 for the GT in Europe (germany to be specific)
I don't know how much the GT350R will cost in europe yet but i imagine it will be about 20K more than the GT.
Standard mustang GTs have also been on par with M3s since 2011 which seems to be a car euros use as a benchmark for performance in a GT car (also priced competitively).
>>14441847
>Exactly. Europeans won't buy them
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-ford-mustang-v8-is-more-popular-among-mustang-buyers-in-europe-than-it-is-in-the-us-2015-8
>Ford of Europe released some data Monday that suggests orders for the Mustang in the United Kingdom are rolling in quickly. The carmaker has taken about 2,000 so far.
Guess you don't know europeans too well.
Oh and you have almost nothing to lose by buying a GT350R cause those cars are guaranteed to hold their value like a Ferrari especially in a place where Muscle cars are a rare breed and one of this caliber no less. but i guess we'll have to wait and see although i have a feeling if they brought it there it would sale just fine for a foreign taxed car.
>>14442780
Fuck! wrong picture. this one shows some of the cars that are faster than the GT350.
>>14441386
It is a sports car, it has power AND can turn
>>14442159
More revs = more power, it isn't all that hard to understand
>>14442821
You don't need revs if you've got torque.
>>14442821
Only if torque stays identical. Which it doesnt' when you have to make compromises to rev higher.
>>14442835
Torque is for tractors
>>14442159
go get cancelled faggot
>>14442843
Yet no engine can work without it.
>>14442860
Honda engines work fine with "lolnotork"
>>14442879
Other engines work better.
>>14442885
Nah, they make some of the best small displacement engines
If they'd only grow a pair and make a V8 though...
>>14441156
>Will Ford and GM take steps to bring their sports car models to Europe
What are you talking about? They've been in Europe for years now.
>>14441431
Manufacturers have always made the base models lamer to make the later performance seem more worthwhile.
>>14443645
wow they even redesigned bumpers to fit our wide euro plates
>>14441156
so the real problem has nothing to do with power, handling or even fit/finish with these cars in the europ market
it's the fucking price and taxes
in the US you can easily get out the door with 400+hp for ~30k new
that same car in the UK will be ~50k new and have twice the running costs and taxes
this increased price has nothing to do with ford and everything to do with european government view on emissions and taxation
this also puts cars like the mustang in the same price range as cars like the M3 which contributes to faggots
benchracing shit all the time
>>14441391
>audi R8 v10 base price converted to USD
UK ~195k USD
US ~162k USD
GER ~213k USD
>>14441324
>Its whether or not Europeans would actually buy it
it costs like 10K more in europe, so I doubt it
>>14443668
Why wouldn't they?
>>14441156
>In the past GM and Ford were too pussy to try and compete on Europes own turf.
Ever heard of Le Mans? The race Corvette's have been raping for years?
>>14441324
>Anyways is it safe to say that the voodoo engine is possibly the greatest engine being made by America right now?
No. The LS7 makes more torque and horsepower throughout the entire rev range. The voodoo squeaks out higher peak HP above 7500 rpm and that's it
Based C7.R
>>14443892
>GM
>winning LeMans
pick 1
>>14443903
the LS/ is an unreliable piece of shit that got GM sued
>>14443926
>LS motor
>famously the cheapest most reliable source of big dumb horsepower on earth
Pick 2
>>14443961
lel
so reliable GM got sued
>>14443926
>>14443980
>that got GM sued
You're thinking about the LS7 not the entire LS family.
>not taking sides
>>14444040
Oh, you said "LS/" so i assumed you meant LS in general heh..
